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BIG BEN
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:



Are you crazy!?!?!? New England never had a defence! Did you watch football earlier this decade? Not to mention Spygate.


Fuck off with the Spygate BS!
If they really  really cheated then they'd have 6 straight SBs  not 3 out of 4 yrs. They decided to miss the playoffs after winning in '01? use some common sense!
 
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New England never had a defense that carried them? 2001 they had the 6th best scoring defense in the league. They held the "greatest show on turf" to 17 points in the Super Bowl. 14 points below their average.  2003 they had the #1 scoring defense in the league and they won the Super Bowl. 2004 they had the #2 scoring defense in the league and they won the Super Bowl.

 NE  regular season scoring defense by year:

2001- 6th / Super Bowl

2002- 17th/ miss playoffs

2003- 1st /Super Bowl

2004- 2nd /Super Bowl

2005-17th/  lose in playoffs

2006-2nd/ lose AFC championship

2007- 4th lose super bowl

2008- 8th/ miss playoffs

NE has had one of the best defenses in the league since Brady came in .... IMO only Pitt and Balt better. NE goes as their defense goes, like most Super Bowl winners in recent memory.

No doubt Brady is great, but his defense has carried them a little bit don't ya think? IMO Manning would have at least as many SB's with that defense behind him.

And as far as the "winner" argument goes..... doesn't BigBen have more 4th quarter comeback wins than Brady already? That to go along with his  2 SB's in 3 less years. Can you imagine Brady or Manning behind Pitt's Offensive line? They would have been retired by now.

 




 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ducati:



Fuck off with the Spygate BS!
If they really  really cheated then they'd have 6 straight SBs  not 3 out of 4 yrs. They decided to miss the playoffs after winning in '01? use some common sense!


They're a bunch of cheaters and will always be known for it.
 
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You can argue forever on this topic.  Best pure passer DAN MARINO with no running attack facing sometimes 8D/B .As well one dimensional Q/B  couldn,t get out of key situations or scramble at all. Teams knew this and still set the TD/PASSING YARDS in a season until now.NO SUPERBOWLS THOU.  MONTANA , YOUNG, BRADY play on an all ALLSTAR STAFF TEAMS. and winning those SUPERBOWLS.  SWITCH Q/B and see how many SB. the  trio would have one. Q/B these days get too much protection and this is why the rules were implemented to help save them from getting hurt.P.S. different era now . ALL the Q/Bs would be hard press to win and survive in the70,s. 
 
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Also if im not mistaken, Peyton Manning has moe 4th Q combacks than Brady. Actually I'm 100% sure. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:

Also if im not mistaken, Peyton Manning has moe 4th Q combacks than Brady. Actually I'm 100% sure. 


True although Peyton does have 4 full seasons on Brady.

While 4th quarter are very good indicator of a quality quarterback the numbers are not reliable as it is not an official NFL statistic so each team calculates the number of comebacks themselves.

Interesting information on that here, here, and here. It seems that Marino has more then Elway.

If there was a standardized method of calculating a QB comeback I would guess that Manning had more then Brady but again he has played more games too.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:



They're a bunch of cheaters and will always be known for it.


Only a casual fans of the NFL would actually think they cheated. Ya, all their SB victories were by 3 pts. Basically the final drives in those games ALL set up by Brady for Vinatieri. 

Brady 3 SBs  to manning's 1

'NUff said!

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Quote Originally Posted by Ducati:



Only a casual fans of the NFL would actually think they cheated. Ya, all their SB victories were by 3 pts. Basically the final drives in those games ALL set up by Brady for Vinatieri. 

Brady 3 SBs  to manning's 1

'NUff said!

Manning


Lol! They got caught for it buddy and Belicheat got fined half a mil you tool.

Manning 3 MVP'S
Brady 1

Manning - 334 Passing TD's
Brady - 199

Manning - 45929 Passing Yards
Brady - 26824

Want me to keep going? I win, you lose.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Serb89:



Lol! They got caught for it buddy and Belicheat got fined half a mil you tool.

Manning 3 MVP'S
Brady 1

Manning - 334 Passing TD's
Brady - 199

Manning - 45929 Passing Yards
Brady - 26824

Want me to keep going? I win, you lose.


and u accuse everyone else of going on wikipedia and looking up stats.

here is a stat for you and no wikipedia was needed

brady 3 superbowls

manning 1 superbowl

brady- troy brown david patten

 manning- marvin harrison reggie wayne and what i have heard from numerous experts one of the best olines in the history of football.

also stop with the name calling computer tough guy

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jmb9:

and u accuse everyone else of going on wikipedia and looking up stats.

here is a stat for you and no wikipedia was needed

brady 3 superbowls

manning 1 superbowl

brady- troy brown david patten

 manning- marvin harrison reggie wayne and what i have heard from numerous experts one of the best olines in the history of football.

also stop with the name calling computer tough guy



Colts no running game and subpar defense and the pats had one of the best defenses during their superbowls. Not to mention one of the most clutch kickers that saved their ass a bunch, a few phantom calls from the refs and lets say a bit of cheating "spygate".
 
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Karma came back and bit the pats in the ass last year with the Brady injury.
 
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Not to mention, go look at what Marvin Harrison did before and after Peyton manning. Manning is the greatest, no doubt.
 
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is this supposed to be about Brady???
 
i think it's pretty obvious that nobody is obviously the best...
 
for my money it's still Peyton, then Brees, then Brady, then Ben... all very close, though...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by scorps:

You can argue forever on this topic.  Best pure passer DAN MARINO with no running attack facing sometimes 8D/B .As well one dimensional Q/B  couldn,t get out of key situations or scramble at all. Teams knew this and still set the TD/PASSING YARDS in a season until now.NO SUPERBOWLS THOU.  MONTANA , YOUNG, BRADY play on an all ALLSTAR STAFF TEAMS. and winning those SUPERBOWLS.  SWITCH Q/B and see how many SB. the  trio would have one. Q/B these days get too much protection and this is why the rules were implemented to help save them from getting hurt.P.S. different era now . ALL the Q/Bs would be hard press to win and survive in the70,s. 

if we're talking about the all-time best it's Marino... anybody who really studies the game and can break down all of the great passers knows this...

 
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oh God you again?
 
how does it keep becoming more games and more favorites every time, Dirty?  it's 27 out of 30, ok?  and this is a discussion about the best QB in the NFL...
 
 
mods... delete another alias, please!  this is Dirty_Hitter...
 
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Jay Cutler!!!!  LMFAO..he was trying to throw as many picks as Brees did TD's... Hands down Brees Rules!!
 
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hey serbidiot...your boy brady is a scared puppy out there..tell him to stop being a girl and plant his feet and throw the ball like a man. he's on the downhill slide of his carreer and couldn't carry brees's jock.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biloxi_Boy:

hey serbidiot...your boy brady is a scared puppy out there..tell him to stop being a girl and plant his feet and throw the ball like a man. he's on the downhill slide of his carreer and couldn't carry brees's jock.

agreed!  Serb... is Matt Cassel the best QB in the NFL?  cuz in that system, he looked just as good as Brady...

Brady is top 5 for sure, but put him on most teams and he wouldn't get nearly as much publicity... let's remember he was thrown into that system as a rookie and went to the SuperBowl... system QBs are stat QBs... we are talking about who is the best...

go back to the kiddie forums... this is for people who know their shit!

 
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oh yea... say hi to moms!
 
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and Capri, for that matter...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biloxi_Boy:

hey serbidiot...your boy brady is a scared puppy out there..tell him to stop being a girl and plant his feet and throw the ball like a man. he's on the downhill slide of his carreer and couldn't carry brees's jock.


Hey Mr.Tool, where in the whole thread did i say i like Brady, maybe you need to go back to school and learn some more because clearly i have been saying Peyton is the best. Fucking idiots.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

agreed!  Serb... is Matt Cassel the best QB in the NFL?  cuz in that system, he looked just as good as Brady...

Brady is top 5 for sure, but put him on most teams and he wouldn't get nearly as much publicity... let's remember he was thrown into that system as a rookie and went to the SuperBowl... system QBs are stat QBs... we are talking about who is the best...

go back to the kiddie forums... this is for people who know their shit!



Can you comprehend what i wrote? Read above because it applies to you as well.
 
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Ah, Peyton manning
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biloxi_Boy:

hey serbidiot...your boy brady is a scared puppy out there..tell him to stop being a girl and plant his feet and throw the ball like a man. he's on the downhill slide of his carreer and couldn't carry brees's jock.

wow! this is by far the most ridiculous reply i have read yet. you obviously know nothing about the game of football.

downhill slide

if your are saying this because of the knee injury you couldnt be more dead wrong. look at other qbs around the league that have suffered a torn acl during their professional career.

carson palmer in my opinion has never been the same.

donovan mcnabb- took him almost a full year to recover and return to his old form. and to this day sometimes very hesitant on running with the ball and stepping up into the pocket.

and look away from qbs for a minute. did u watch the oak sd game monday night? shawn merriman was running like there was something up his ass. he was running all over the field favoring his one leg.

and look at brady took him 3  1/2 quarters to return to form. now i know only the next few games will tell us where he is but if i was putting money on him i would say he will be back sooner that later.

you my friend are clueless about the game

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