The Browns are 1-6 in games that Gordon had over 100 receiving yards, 0-2 when he went over 200. Obviously, he can't single handedly win a game. Thanks for playing. Next contestant please.
This contestant is still playing.
In the games you referenced, they haven't played against teams with offenses as inept as the Jets. Since the bye, the Jets have averaged 15.7 ppg. 10 ppg if you take away the 37 they scored vs. Oak (1 of those scores was on special teams). So yes, two TDSs by Gordon CAN be enough to beat them.
I could also provide you with advanced metrics on how the Jets defense has regressed exponentially since they got and started Ed Reed, but I'm too lazy.
The feel good times of beating New England and New Orleans are long gone. Hell, even the Pats and Saints aren't looking as good as when the Jets beat them.
Rex Ryan sounded so defeated the press conference after Balty's win that mathematically eliminated them from the playoffs. Don't think that won't trickle down to the players, who take their cue from him as there is no locker room leader besides Rex. What's he going to tell them? " Win these last two for me so I don't get fired."? You think they will step up?
History lesson: You know how the Jets finished the last two seasons? By losing three in a row. In one of those seasons all they had to do was win and they were in. Rex, great coach and motivator that he is, lead them to three losses instead. Guess how this season will end.
Now that the team is out of it, the NY media is buzzing with speculation about Rex being fired. No one. And I mean NO ONE, is talking about the Browns. They're talking about Rex getting fired and their draft position.
Boost from the home crowd? If you read the Jet forums you'll find it full of season ticket holders who couldn't pay people to take their tickets to this last, meaningless home game.
They put their all into the Carolina game and we're right there until the blocked punt for TD and and the pick six by Geno slammed the door shut. These guys are totally deflated.
Full disclosure, I'm an avid and active Jet fan.
Let's go Darwin
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Quote Originally Posted by Getty3:
The Browns are 1-6 in games that Gordon had over 100 receiving yards, 0-2 when he went over 200. Obviously, he can't single handedly win a game. Thanks for playing. Next contestant please.
This contestant is still playing.
In the games you referenced, they haven't played against teams with offenses as inept as the Jets. Since the bye, the Jets have averaged 15.7 ppg. 10 ppg if you take away the 37 they scored vs. Oak (1 of those scores was on special teams). So yes, two TDSs by Gordon CAN be enough to beat them.
I could also provide you with advanced metrics on how the Jets defense has regressed exponentially since they got and started Ed Reed, but I'm too lazy.
The feel good times of beating New England and New Orleans are long gone. Hell, even the Pats and Saints aren't looking as good as when the Jets beat them.
Rex Ryan sounded so defeated the press conference after Balty's win that mathematically eliminated them from the playoffs. Don't think that won't trickle down to the players, who take their cue from him as there is no locker room leader besides Rex. What's he going to tell them? " Win these last two for me so I don't get fired."? You think they will step up?
History lesson: You know how the Jets finished the last two seasons? By losing three in a row. In one of those seasons all they had to do was win and they were in. Rex, great coach and motivator that he is, lead them to three losses instead. Guess how this season will end.
Now that the team is out of it, the NY media is buzzing with speculation about Rex being fired. No one. And I mean NO ONE, is talking about the Browns. They're talking about Rex getting fired and their draft position.
Boost from the home crowd? If you read the Jet forums you'll find it full of season ticket holders who couldn't pay people to take their tickets to this last, meaningless home game.
They put their all into the Carolina game and we're right there until the blocked punt for TD and and the pick six by Geno slammed the door shut. These guys are totally deflated.
Those are the kind of questions the players are getting asked and that's what they're thinking about. That, Christmas and how hard are they going to party on New Years Eve in South Beach before they roll over to the Fins.
Let's go Darwin
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Will Rex get fired?
Will Mo Wilkerson make the Pro Bowl?
Will Sheldon Richardson be DROY?
Will Cromartie be with the Jets next season?
Will Holmes be cut after the season is over?
Those are the kind of questions the players are getting asked and that's what they're thinking about. That, Christmas and how hard are they going to party on New Years Eve in South Beach before they roll over to the Fins.
welcome kimono to the weekly newsletter. we know jets fans can suffer from homerism more than most but no one can be more of a homer than shrimp and we hope to hear your jets expertise and other thoughts as objectively as possible.
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welcome kimono to the weekly newsletter. we know jets fans can suffer from homerism more than most but no one can be more of a homer than shrimp and we hope to hear your jets expertise and other thoughts as objectively as possible.
welcome kimono to the weekly newsletter. we know jets fans can suffer from homerism more than most but no one can be more of a homer than shrimp and we hope to hear your jets expertise and other thoughts as objectively as possible.
I check this thread regularly and have never felt the need to chime in. Getty3 is a smart fella, but I really felt the need to add my $0.02 before he puts a play in to back the Jets.
Idzik plays his cards close to the vest, so know one really knows what he is thinking. But I wouldn't be surprised if he got rid of the entire coaching staff and front office leftovers from the Tannenbaum era and put in his own guys. They'll have some nice draft picks and good cap room to build a good team once Butt-Fumble and Tone are off the books.
Woody seems to really like Rex, but the longest playoff drought since the 1990's could mean sweeping changes.
Players say they love Rex and I believe them, but NFL players love themselves and their $ more than any coach.
Let's go Darwin
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
welcome kimono to the weekly newsletter. we know jets fans can suffer from homerism more than most but no one can be more of a homer than shrimp and we hope to hear your jets expertise and other thoughts as objectively as possible.
I check this thread regularly and have never felt the need to chime in. Getty3 is a smart fella, but I really felt the need to add my $0.02 before he puts a play in to back the Jets.
Idzik plays his cards close to the vest, so know one really knows what he is thinking. But I wouldn't be surprised if he got rid of the entire coaching staff and front office leftovers from the Tannenbaum era and put in his own guys. They'll have some nice draft picks and good cap room to build a good team once Butt-Fumble and Tone are off the books.
Woody seems to really like Rex, but the longest playoff drought since the 1990's could mean sweeping changes.
Players say they love Rex and I believe them, but NFL players love themselves and their $ more than any coach.
I check this thread regularly and have never felt the need to chime in. Getty3 is a smart fella, but I really felt the need to add my $0.02 before he puts a play in to back the Jets.
Idzik plays his cards close to the vest, so know one really knows what he is thinking. But I wouldn't be surprised if he got rid of the entire coaching staff and front office leftovers from the Tannenbaum era and put in his own guys. They'll have some nice draft picks and good cap room to build a good team once Butt-Fumble and Tone are off the books.
Woody seems to really like Rex, but the longest playoff drought since the 1990's could mean sweeping changes.
Players say they love Rex and I believe them, but NFL players love themselves and their $ more than any coach.
Well played.
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Quote Originally Posted by kimoinsd808:
I check this thread regularly and have never felt the need to chime in. Getty3 is a smart fella, but I really felt the need to add my $0.02 before he puts a play in to back the Jets.
Idzik plays his cards close to the vest, so know one really knows what he is thinking. But I wouldn't be surprised if he got rid of the entire coaching staff and front office leftovers from the Tannenbaum era and put in his own guys. They'll have some nice draft picks and good cap room to build a good team once Butt-Fumble and Tone are off the books.
Woody seems to really like Rex, but the longest playoff drought since the 1990's could mean sweeping changes.
Players say they love Rex and I believe them, but NFL players love themselves and their $ more than any coach.
Those are the kind of questions the players are getting asked and that's what they're thinking about. That, Christmas and how hard are they going to party on New Years Eve in South Beach before they roll over to the Fins.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the Jets focus for this game.
I do believe they love Rex, and will play hard for him to save his job.
Will that be enough to cover this week? I'm leaning yes it will
bigreds daddy
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Quote Originally Posted by kimoinsd808:
Will Rex get fired?
Will Mo Wilkerson make the Pro Bowl?
Will Sheldon Richardson be DROY?
Will Cromartie be with the Jets next season?
Will Holmes be cut after the season is over?
Those are the kind of questions the players are getting asked and that's what they're thinking about. That, Christmas and how hard are they going to party on New Years Eve in South Beach before they roll over to the Fins.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the Jets focus for this game.
I do believe they love Rex, and will play hard for him to save his job.
Will that be enough to cover this week? I'm leaning yes it will
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the Jets focus for this game.
I do believe they love Rex, and will play hard for him to save his job.
Will that be enough to cover this week? I'm leaning yes it will
Like I said, the past two seasons have ended in 3 game losing streaks for the Jets. Once they're out of the playoff picture, Rex doesn't know how to keep his team focused and they just go through the motions.
If your lean turns into an actual bet, may the Gambling Gods be kind and have mercy on your wallet.
Let's go Darwin
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the Jets focus for this game.
I do believe they love Rex, and will play hard for him to save his job.
Will that be enough to cover this week? I'm leaning yes it will
Like I said, the past two seasons have ended in 3 game losing streaks for the Jets. Once they're out of the playoff picture, Rex doesn't know how to keep his team focused and they just go through the motions.
If your lean turns into an actual bet, may the Gambling Gods be kind and have mercy on your wallet.
carson palmer and fitzgerald have been out of practice until today. on the one hand, those are two pretty important players who need to be in the gameplan all week. on the other hand, they are about as veteran as it gets so maybe they can just jump in and be ready.
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carson palmer and fitzgerald have been out of practice until today. on the one hand, those are two pretty important players who need to be in the gameplan all week. on the other hand, they are about as veteran as it gets so maybe they can just jump in and be ready.
carson palmer and fitzgerald have been out of practice until today. on the one hand, those are two pretty important players who need to be in the gameplan all week. on the other hand, they are about as veteran as it gets so maybe they can just jump in and be ready.
seattle held them to 30 yds rushing in the last meeting and fitzgerald has 82yds on 7 catches with no scores in the last 3 tilts. It is noteworthy that the cards defense has given up 69 yds per game on ground since they played in october ( 7 games). Hawks have too much on the line and will be focused in the 26-7 victory
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
carson palmer and fitzgerald have been out of practice until today. on the one hand, those are two pretty important players who need to be in the gameplan all week. on the other hand, they are about as veteran as it gets so maybe they can just jump in and be ready.
seattle held them to 30 yds rushing in the last meeting and fitzgerald has 82yds on 7 catches with no scores in the last 3 tilts. It is noteworthy that the cards defense has given up 69 yds per game on ground since they played in october ( 7 games). Hawks have too much on the line and will be focused in the 26-7 victory
You would just about have to pay me to bet on Geno Smith, esp in this spot.Question,if Rex were to be let go would another team take him? I think so, i also think that unless the Jets get smoked these last 2 he will be back.
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You would just about have to pay me to bet on Geno Smith, esp in this spot.Question,if Rex were to be let go would another team take him? I think so, i also think that unless the Jets get smoked these last 2 he will be back.
You would just about have to pay me to bet on Geno Smith, esp in this spot.Question,if Rex were to be let go would another team take him? I think so, i also think that unless the Jets get smoked these last 2 he will be back.
My mistake i thought this game was in Cleveland, still would not back the Jets though.
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:
You would just about have to pay me to bet on Geno Smith, esp in this spot.Question,if Rex were to be let go would another team take him? I think so, i also think that unless the Jets get smoked these last 2 he will be back.
My mistake i thought this game was in Cleveland, still would not back the Jets though.
not sure the newsletter is going to be published this week. might not have time today at work and the in-laws have invaded my computer room at home so it isn't likely to happen at home.
hopefully, i'll get some plays out.
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i like those. i'll be on a few.
not sure the newsletter is going to be published this week. might not have time today at work and the in-laws have invaded my computer room at home so it isn't likely to happen at home.
f*ck it, let me see what i can come up with real quick. my subscribers didn't pay to hear about my in-laws.
when i say "real quick", i just mean my comments. as usual, my picks are, and will continue to be, derived from a highly sophisticated and meticulous analytical process and comprehensive calculations utilizing all relevant and available data.
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f*ck it, let me see what i can come up with real quick. my subscribers didn't pay to hear about my in-laws.
when i say "real quick", i just mean my comments. as usual, my picks are, and will continue to be, derived from a highly sophisticated and meticulous analytical process and comprehensive calculations utilizing all relevant and available data.
Miami @ Buffalo +2.5 i'm likely just fading this miami winning streak which i planned to do if they beat NE and i do think buffalo is a little underrated. they didn't look very good against Jax but i expect them to play better in their final home game against miami in a winnable game. i'm just waiting to see 3. if it doesn't get there at -110, i'll pay a little extra for it.
NO @ Car -3 could talk about this one for a while but don't have the time. most bettors have seen enough of these teams to get a good feel for them. the bet on NO at home and against NO on the road strategy was solid again last week. my only concern here is that i thought the line would be higher. i'm not sure who is buying NO on the road here at just 3. who thinks NO can come out and get a win on the road against a very good defense like this? and at 3, you aren't betting on NO unless you think they are going to win.
Dallas @ Washington +2.5 hate betting on washington as a small dog because their defense is so bad. fortunately for them, they play a team with arguably a worse defense and just as dysfunctional. this is probably one to avoid.
TB @ Stl -4 Stl paid us back after that ugly loss to AZ the week before. but i think they are too inconsistent to be 4 point favorites here. 3 i could see but 4 seems excessive. first, i don't think Stl is the better team, although it's arguable. second, Stl has some good players but they don't come out to play every week. at home against NO, they come out to play. at home against TB, maybe not as much. i doubt i'll take Stl at this number. maybe TB.
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Miami @ Buffalo +2.5 i'm likely just fading this miami winning streak which i planned to do if they beat NE and i do think buffalo is a little underrated. they didn't look very good against Jax but i expect them to play better in their final home game against miami in a winnable game. i'm just waiting to see 3. if it doesn't get there at -110, i'll pay a little extra for it.
NO @ Car -3 could talk about this one for a while but don't have the time. most bettors have seen enough of these teams to get a good feel for them. the bet on NO at home and against NO on the road strategy was solid again last week. my only concern here is that i thought the line would be higher. i'm not sure who is buying NO on the road here at just 3. who thinks NO can come out and get a win on the road against a very good defense like this? and at 3, you aren't betting on NO unless you think they are going to win.
Dallas @ Washington +2.5 hate betting on washington as a small dog because their defense is so bad. fortunately for them, they play a team with arguably a worse defense and just as dysfunctional. this is probably one to avoid.
TB @ Stl -4 Stl paid us back after that ugly loss to AZ the week before. but i think they are too inconsistent to be 4 point favorites here. 3 i could see but 4 seems excessive. first, i don't think Stl is the better team, although it's arguable. second, Stl has some good players but they don't come out to play every week. at home against NO, they come out to play. at home against TB, maybe not as much. i doubt i'll take Stl at this number. maybe TB.
Chc @ Philly -3 see my earlier post, can't bet this one until maybe sunday night, if at all.
Clev @ NYJ -1.5 hugh jorman sports, expert jets bettor and closet jets homer, like the jets here. Clev is one of my favorites. sometimes they reward us (NE two weeks ago) and sometimes they darn us (last week), although it seems to be more of the latter than the former on balance this season. i like them much more as big dogs than short dogs, especially on the road. mostly, i like their defense against a weak jets offense but that didn't do me much good against cutler in his first game back last weekend. so i'm not sure i trust them here. so do we trust the jets? maybe. given the fact that cleveland has done next to nothing on the road this season and the jets have some very good home wins, the jets do seem to be the more trustworthy team here. people might question the jets' motivation but Clev has really suffered some ugly losses and you have to figure they run out of steam at some point.
Indy @ KC -6.5 not sure what the oddsmakers were thinking with the low spreads for KC the last two weeks. this one is much higher. KC is 3.5 @ Oakland at some point and then 6.5 at home against Indy. i don't like this matchup for Indy. i don't see them as a good running team or run stopping team and i think that will cause problems this week. of course, we saw that KC is vulnerable to the pass when they don't pressure the QB enough so Indy could keep this close or get the backdoor cover. not sure i'd want to give 6.5 here.
Minn @ Cincy -8 minn came through last weekend but this is an entirely different matchup. with philly, their defense is so bad at times that they really can lose any game if their offense can't keep up or the other team catches some breaks. cincy is much different, their defense is solid and should be able to contain Minn's offense that has been scoring more than it seems it should. Cincy is 5th in the league against the rush. when Minn has played other good rushing defenses, it hasn't gone well. lost at home against Clev and got blown up against Carolina and Seattle. the giants are 13th in rushing defense and crushed Minn too. obviously, if Minn can't run and they have to rely on cassel or ponder or freeman, it's not good.
Cincy is coming off a game they just weren't up for. should be different this week.
Denver @ Houston +9.5 houston is dead to me.
Tenn @ Jax +5 Jax reverted back to form last week. it looked like one of those games were buffalo didn't play well and did a lot of dumb things but Jax just wouldn't let buffalo lose it. that's the Jax team we all know. hard to say how much Tenn gets up for this one. they had a nice first half last week and looked like they would cover and then got hammered in the second half. i can see them trying to win in their home finale but week 16 in jax, who knows. so, i can't give 5 on the road here. might take jax as the home dog, but that hasn't gone particularly well this season either.
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Chc @ Philly -3 see my earlier post, can't bet this one until maybe sunday night, if at all.
Clev @ NYJ -1.5 hugh jorman sports, expert jets bettor and closet jets homer, like the jets here. Clev is one of my favorites. sometimes they reward us (NE two weeks ago) and sometimes they darn us (last week), although it seems to be more of the latter than the former on balance this season. i like them much more as big dogs than short dogs, especially on the road. mostly, i like their defense against a weak jets offense but that didn't do me much good against cutler in his first game back last weekend. so i'm not sure i trust them here. so do we trust the jets? maybe. given the fact that cleveland has done next to nothing on the road this season and the jets have some very good home wins, the jets do seem to be the more trustworthy team here. people might question the jets' motivation but Clev has really suffered some ugly losses and you have to figure they run out of steam at some point.
Indy @ KC -6.5 not sure what the oddsmakers were thinking with the low spreads for KC the last two weeks. this one is much higher. KC is 3.5 @ Oakland at some point and then 6.5 at home against Indy. i don't like this matchup for Indy. i don't see them as a good running team or run stopping team and i think that will cause problems this week. of course, we saw that KC is vulnerable to the pass when they don't pressure the QB enough so Indy could keep this close or get the backdoor cover. not sure i'd want to give 6.5 here.
Minn @ Cincy -8 minn came through last weekend but this is an entirely different matchup. with philly, their defense is so bad at times that they really can lose any game if their offense can't keep up or the other team catches some breaks. cincy is much different, their defense is solid and should be able to contain Minn's offense that has been scoring more than it seems it should. Cincy is 5th in the league against the rush. when Minn has played other good rushing defenses, it hasn't gone well. lost at home against Clev and got blown up against Carolina and Seattle. the giants are 13th in rushing defense and crushed Minn too. obviously, if Minn can't run and they have to rely on cassel or ponder or freeman, it's not good.
Cincy is coming off a game they just weren't up for. should be different this week.
Denver @ Houston +9.5 houston is dead to me.
Tenn @ Jax +5 Jax reverted back to form last week. it looked like one of those games were buffalo didn't play well and did a lot of dumb things but Jax just wouldn't let buffalo lose it. that's the Jax team we all know. hard to say how much Tenn gets up for this one. they had a nice first half last week and looked like they would cover and then got hammered in the second half. i can see them trying to win in their home finale but week 16 in jax, who knows. so, i can't give 5 on the road here. might take jax as the home dog, but that hasn't gone particularly well this season either.
AZ @ Sea -10.5 what the darn? i was all ready to take seattle here given AZ's injuries and just the fact that seattle should be motivated by clinching everything with a win here so they can take it easy next week but garbage, this line is high. seattle is going to win this game but AZ is pretty tough and they need this one too. i just can't see taking seattle at 10.5. i know it's bad news going against seattle at home like NO at home but this line is inflated. i was thinking 7.5 or so.
NYG @ Detroit -10 another inflated line. so detroit needs it and the giants don't so this goes to 10? i don't think so. the line is just too high. coughlin is a real coach. maybe the giants mail this one in too but i'll probably take these extra points vegas is giving here.
Oak @ SD -10 i'm a little less excited about this one. this one seems too high too but vegas obviously expected some effort from oakland with that line last week and we didn't get it. this line seems to project no effort from oakland so they'll probably play well. oakland is bad. SD is better than we expected. but i think you can probably bet every team that presumably has nothing to play for against the ones who do and come out ok.
Pitt @ GB -3 looks like flynn again this week. i guess no one is all that impressed with Pitt's easy win against cincy last week. this GB team is just a few weeks off a 5 game winless streak. and they've only beaten two bad teams since then. this is an interesting matchup. maybe GB has figured out how to play without rodgers. i don't think so. i think they've just had the benefit of playing the Minn, Atl and dallas defenses. Pitt's defense isn't what it used to be but they are still ranked fairly high and pretty solid against the pass. might take Pitt here at 3.
Blt @ NE -2.5 we hit two consecutive NE bets which may be a record. probably going for three. don't need to discuss this much. people know these teams well. both teams are motivated. i'm not buying Blt's winning streak and think it comes to an end the first time they play a team where their mistakes will cost them or tucker being their best offensive weapon will cost them. i think that's this week.
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AZ @ Sea -10.5 what the darn? i was all ready to take seattle here given AZ's injuries and just the fact that seattle should be motivated by clinching everything with a win here so they can take it easy next week but garbage, this line is high. seattle is going to win this game but AZ is pretty tough and they need this one too. i just can't see taking seattle at 10.5. i know it's bad news going against seattle at home like NO at home but this line is inflated. i was thinking 7.5 or so.
NYG @ Detroit -10 another inflated line. so detroit needs it and the giants don't so this goes to 10? i don't think so. the line is just too high. coughlin is a real coach. maybe the giants mail this one in too but i'll probably take these extra points vegas is giving here.
Oak @ SD -10 i'm a little less excited about this one. this one seems too high too but vegas obviously expected some effort from oakland with that line last week and we didn't get it. this line seems to project no effort from oakland so they'll probably play well. oakland is bad. SD is better than we expected. but i think you can probably bet every team that presumably has nothing to play for against the ones who do and come out ok.
Pitt @ GB -3 looks like flynn again this week. i guess no one is all that impressed with Pitt's easy win against cincy last week. this GB team is just a few weeks off a 5 game winless streak. and they've only beaten two bad teams since then. this is an interesting matchup. maybe GB has figured out how to play without rodgers. i don't think so. i think they've just had the benefit of playing the Minn, Atl and dallas defenses. Pitt's defense isn't what it used to be but they are still ranked fairly high and pretty solid against the pass. might take Pitt here at 3.
Blt @ NE -2.5 we hit two consecutive NE bets which may be a record. probably going for three. don't need to discuss this much. people know these teams well. both teams are motivated. i'm not buying Blt's winning streak and think it comes to an end the first time they play a team where their mistakes will cost them or tucker being their best offensive weapon will cost them. i think that's this week.
fitzgerald may be out against seattle. can't take AZ without fitzgerald. not that one receiver is normally a reason to make a bet or not, but fitzgerald is such a huge part of that team in many ways.
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fitzgerald may be out against seattle. can't take AZ without fitzgerald. not that one receiver is normally a reason to make a bet or not, but fitzgerald is such a huge part of that team in many ways.
yes, as i understand it, if dallas wins, philly's game sunday night is meaningless. it all comes down to dallas v. philly in week 17. basically, i wouldn't touch the sunday night game before the afternoon games are finished and then the line will move and i probably wouldn't touch it after that anyway.
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yes, as i understand it, if dallas wins, philly's game sunday night is meaningless. it all comes down to dallas v. philly in week 17. basically, i wouldn't touch the sunday night game before the afternoon games are finished and then the line will move and i probably wouldn't touch it after that anyway.
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