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    cd329
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 8:22 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by PICKer1:

    You sound like you just lost your whole bankrolll today.

     

    no not yet but the night is early, lollllllllll

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    Quote Originally Posted by PICKer1:

    You sound like you just lost your whole bankrolll today.

     

    no not yet but the night is early, lollllllllll

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 8:27 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by SecondAgain:

    I'm still waiting for you to answer my question

    me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecondAgain:

    I'm still waiting for you to answer my question

    me too.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 8:31 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by SecondAgain:

    I'm still waiting for you to answer my question

     

    the proper thing to do if you have 50 bets that you want to make is to divide those 50 bets into how much bankroll you are willing to risk in a single day.  This is all up to you.  If you want to put your whole bankroll into play then divide it by the 50 plays and that will be your bet size for each of the 50 plays.  If you want to do it the way the money management way, then you shouldnt risk more then 10-20 percent of your whole bankroll. So if you had a 10k bankroll and were willing to risk 20 percent that would mean you should divide 2000k by 50 plays, which would give you 40 bucks on each play.

    Geez this isnt something i made up, its any gambling book you can pick up.  This way of gambling keeps you in action and if your a good capper you will grow your bankroll.  Do i do this myself? nope.  But i also aint putting 100k into play every night, which was point of the whole post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecondAgain:

    I'm still waiting for you to answer my question

     

    the proper thing to do if you have 50 bets that you want to make is to divide those 50 bets into how much bankroll you are willing to risk in a single day.  This is all up to you.  If you want to put your whole bankroll into play then divide it by the 50 plays and that will be your bet size for each of the 50 plays.  If you want to do it the way the money management way, then you shouldnt risk more then 10-20 percent of your whole bankroll. So if you had a 10k bankroll and were willing to risk 20 percent that would mean you should divide 2000k by 50 plays, which would give you 40 bucks on each play.

    Geez this isnt something i made up, its any gambling book you can pick up.  This way of gambling keeps you in action and if your a good capper you will grow your bankroll.  Do i do this myself? nope.  But i also aint putting 100k into play every night, which was point of the whole post.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 8:40 PM ET #29

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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 8:56 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

     

    the proper thing to do if you have 50 bets that you want to make is to divide those 50 bets into how much bankroll you are willing to risk in a single day.  This is all up to you.  If you want to put your whole bankroll into play then divide it by the 50 plays and that will be your bet size for each of the 50 plays.  If you want to do it the way the money management way, then you shouldnt risk more then 10-20 percent of your whole bankroll. So if you had a 10k bankroll and were willing to risk 20 percent that would mean you should divide 2000k by 50 plays, which would give you 40 bucks on each play.

    Geez this isnt something i made up, its any gambling book you can pick up.  This way of gambling keeps you in action and if your a good capper you will grow your bankroll.  Do i do this myself? nope.  But i also aint putting 100k into play every night, which was point of the whole post.



    By that method I will not be able to fully exploit any edge I do have. The kelly method allows me to do this. What you are saying that if I price a team at -105 and the price is +130 then that bet size is the same then if I price another team at +115 and they are also at +130. I am looking to maximise my return and exploit my edge, not restrict it. Maybe you do not understand the kelly method.

    I know many, many professionals, and I will tell you know, each and every one of them will laugh at what you have stated. What is this "money management way"? The aim of the game is to bet every single positive expectation bet you can find. It is not to cap how much you should win each game.

    You do not understand that there are many different ways to skin a cat, not just the way you have read in a book or the way Vanzack told you. I will probably know a lot more then you about bankroll fluctuations and variance so I now how to handle a bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

     

    the proper thing to do if you have 50 bets that you want to make is to divide those 50 bets into how much bankroll you are willing to risk in a single day.  This is all up to you.  If you want to put your whole bankroll into play then divide it by the 50 plays and that will be your bet size for each of the 50 plays.  If you want to do it the way the money management way, then you shouldnt risk more then 10-20 percent of your whole bankroll. So if you had a 10k bankroll and were willing to risk 20 percent that would mean you should divide 2000k by 50 plays, which would give you 40 bucks on each play.

    Geez this isnt something i made up, its any gambling book you can pick up.  This way of gambling keeps you in action and if your a good capper you will grow your bankroll.  Do i do this myself? nope.  But i also aint putting 100k into play every night, which was point of the whole post.



    By that method I will not be able to fully exploit any edge I do have. The kelly method allows me to do this. What you are saying that if I price a team at -105 and the price is +130 then that bet size is the same then if I price another team at +115 and they are also at +130. I am looking to maximise my return and exploit my edge, not restrict it. Maybe you do not understand the kelly method.

    I know many, many professionals, and I will tell you know, each and every one of them will laugh at what you have stated. What is this "money management way"? The aim of the game is to bet every single positive expectation bet you can find. It is not to cap how much you should win each game.

    You do not understand that there are many different ways to skin a cat, not just the way you have read in a book or the way Vanzack told you. I will probably know a lot more then you about bankroll fluctuations and variance so I now how to handle a bank.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 9:00 PM ET #31

    "Gambling for Dummies", pick it up at your local bookstore.








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    "Gambling for Dummies", pick it up at your local bookstore.








     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 9:00 PM ET #32

    Second,

        I would bet you that 90% of posters have never heard of the kelly method
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    Second,

        I would bet you that 90% of posters have never heard of the kelly method
     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 9:11 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by SecondAgain:



    By that method I will not be able to fully exploit any edge I do have. The kelly method allows me to do this. What you are saying that if I price a team at -105 and the price is +130 then that bet size is the same then if I price another team at +115 and they are also at +130. I am looking to maximise my return and exploit my edge, not restrict it. Maybe you do not understand the kelly method.

    I know many, many professionals, and I will tell you know, each and every one of them will laugh at what you have stated. What is this "money management way"? The aim of the game is to bet every single positive expectation bet you can find. It is not to cap how much you should win each game.

    You do not understand that there are many different ways to skin a cat, not just the way you have read in a book or the way Vanzack told you. I will probably know a lot more then you about bankroll fluctuations and variance so I now how to handle a bank.

     

    for one you are talking about exploiting moneylines so of course your bets will be differnt based on the lines, where as am talking about betting into pointspreads laying a straight 105 or 110.  In that case all your bets really should be the same.  This is where so many bettors lose. They bet 10 games and 8 of the games are for 100 bucks a piece and 2 of them are for 500 a piece. The 8 100 buck plays win and the 2 500 dollar plays lose.  Guy goes 8-2 and still loses money because of piss poor money management.

    Why not post some of these so called plays you can get from your sharp friends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecondAgain:



    By that method I will not be able to fully exploit any edge I do have. The kelly method allows me to do this. What you are saying that if I price a team at -105 and the price is +130 then that bet size is the same then if I price another team at +115 and they are also at +130. I am looking to maximise my return and exploit my edge, not restrict it. Maybe you do not understand the kelly method.

    I know many, many professionals, and I will tell you know, each and every one of them will laugh at what you have stated. What is this "money management way"? The aim of the game is to bet every single positive expectation bet you can find. It is not to cap how much you should win each game.

    You do not understand that there are many different ways to skin a cat, not just the way you have read in a book or the way Vanzack told you. I will probably know a lot more then you about bankroll fluctuations and variance so I now how to handle a bank.

     

    for one you are talking about exploiting moneylines so of course your bets will be differnt based on the lines, where as am talking about betting into pointspreads laying a straight 105 or 110.  In that case all your bets really should be the same.  This is where so many bettors lose. They bet 10 games and 8 of the games are for 100 bucks a piece and 2 of them are for 500 a piece. The 8 100 buck plays win and the 2 500 dollar plays lose.  Guy goes 8-2 and still loses money because of piss poor money management.

    Why not post some of these so called plays you can get from your sharp friends?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 9:13 PM ET #34

    Exploiting moneylines, or exploiting weak spreads should be no different.
     
    What if you have a game capped at one team winning by 14, but they are only laying -2.5?  What if there are 20 of them just like that on a college basketball card of 100? 
     
     
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    Exploiting moneylines, or exploiting weak spreads should be no different.
     
    What if you have a game capped at one team winning by 14, but they are only laying -2.5?  What if there are 20 of them just like that on a college basketball card of 100? 
     
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 9:16 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:

    Exploiting moneylines, or exploiting weak spreads should be no different.
     
    What if you have a game capped at one team winning by 14, but they are only laying -2.5?  What if there are 20 of them just like that on a college basketball card of 100? 
     
     


    Then you take 10% of your bankroll and divide it by 20 and that is how much you bet on each game....DUH!


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    Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:

    Exploiting moneylines, or exploiting weak spreads should be no different.
     
    What if you have a game capped at one team winning by 14, but they are only laying -2.5?  What if there are 20 of them just like that on a college basketball card of 100? 
     
     


    Then you take 10% of your bankroll and divide it by 20 and that is how much you bet on each game....DUH!


     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 9:19 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:

    Exploiting moneylines, or exploiting weak spreads should be no different.
     
    What if you have a game capped at one team winning by 14, but they are only laying -2.5?  What if there are 20 of them just like that on a college basketball card of 100? 
     
     

    Hes trying to exploit the extra money you can make on moenylines when he has a difference on games. When betting pointspreads, no matter how big a differnece you make the game, you are not going to get extra money on winning plays like you do with moneylines.  There is a difference here.  Just because one of your games has a bigger pointspread difference then the other one, thats really no reason to risk more on one play then another.  This type of betting is what gets us all in trouble.  Just look around the net and you will see so many posters big games go down in flames and their little games hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:

    Exploiting moneylines, or exploiting weak spreads should be no different.
     
    What if you have a game capped at one team winning by 14, but they are only laying -2.5?  What if there are 20 of them just like that on a college basketball card of 100? 
     
     

    Hes trying to exploit the extra money you can make on moenylines when he has a difference on games. When betting pointspreads, no matter how big a differnece you make the game, you are not going to get extra money on winning plays like you do with moneylines.  There is a difference here.  Just because one of your games has a bigger pointspread difference then the other one, thats really no reason to risk more on one play then another.  This type of betting is what gets us all in trouble.  Just look around the net and you will see so many posters big games go down in flames and their little games hit.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 9:22 PM ET #37

    heres one article about money management, theres lots of them out there.
     

    Bankroll Management - Stop betting too much!
    Sports Betting Money Management

    How to keep yourself in the game

    You are betting too much on each game! How can I say that without even knowing you? Because I've been doing this for a long time and have spent a lot of time understanding money management. 99% of sports bettors are betting too much. Think not? Think again.

    Would you "bet" 25% of your entire retirement account on a single stock that had a 40% chance of going to $0 tomorrow? Of course not. Then why are so many sports bettors willing to risk 20%+ of their bankroll on a single game? It's easy to risk too much without knowing it. Please read on to see why...

    A Simple Proposition - Would you take it?
    If I offered you a 10% advantage in a game of chance (55% for you vs. 45%) for 500 bets, would you take that bet? Of course you would. Over the long haul (500 bets), the law of large numbers dictates that you would end up very close to 55% winners (275 winners vs. 225 losers). If we were betting $100 per bet, you'd be up about $5,000 in the end. Easy money.

    Now let's say that I had one constraint. I told you you could start with no more than $500 (your bankroll) and if you ran out of money, you couldn't re-load. In essence, I was forcing you to bet 20% of your bankroll on each bet. Would you still take it? Think you could still take me for $5,000?

    You had better not! You are virtually guaranteed to go bankrupt in this situation. Over the long haul, you will come close to 55% winners - it's a mathematical certainty. But, over the short term, you are guaranteed nothing. Strange streaks will happen. They always do. Over 500 bets, you could easily go 5 or 10 bets in a row (or even more) without winning. You could go 2-18 during a 500 bet session. If I forced you to bet 20% of your bankroll, you'd be crazy to do it because I would take your money like taking candy from a baby.

    Yet, in sports betting, most bettors routinely do the equivalent of taking this bet! Almost every sports bettor bets too much per game relative to the size of their bankroll. They don't think twice about laying half of their entire remaining bankroll on one week's NFL games. The conclusion is this...

    Why The House Wins
    Based on my nearly two decades of sports betting experience, I view this as the most valuable "secret" there is:

    THE HOUSE WINS BECAUSE YOU BET TOO MUCH PER GAME.

    You run out of money before you have a chance to let the laws of large numbers work for you. They are banking on your lack of discipline. That's the main reason (not bad picking) that most sports bettors lose and why The House laughs to the bank.

    Check out this story as an illustration...


    A Tale of Two Sports Bettors

    Risky John and Conservative Bob each started the season with $1000 - their bankroll. They both decided to play the same games throughout the season but they couldn't agree on how much to place on each game. John was more of a risk taker than Bob so John decided to bet about $200 per game (20% of his bankroll). Bob was more conservative and decided to risk about $50 per game (5% of his bankroll). Risky John figured that if he bet more, he could win more. And he was right. In week one, their picks went 4-2. John was up $360 while Conservative Bob only won $90. John was very pleased with himself.

    Week 2 produced the exact same result. Risky John now had a $1720 bankroll while Conservative Bob was up to just $1180. John was very happy. He encouraged Bob to bet more but Bob wasn't so sure about that strategy. What if their luck started to turn? Risky John preferred to think positively. Besides, they were 8-4 and they knew what they were doing! The first two weeks had proved that.

    But then came weeks 3 and 4 in which they went 2-4, 1-3. A bad run for sure, but not uncommon during a 16-week season. In fact, losing streaks are inevitable and guaranteed during a season. Conservative Bob lost $235 while Risky John gave back $940. John now had a lower bankroll than Bob! John was now down to $780. Risky John felt the losing couldn't possibly continue so he stuck with his bet size of $200 per game. The next two weeks they went 2-2 and 1-3.

    Guess what? Risky John was now virtually wiped out - down to $280. Bob, meanwhile lost $360 on the terrible four week run but still had $820 left over. One of them was virtually out of money, the other had over 80% of his original bankroll left.

    What happened next? Well, John quit. And, the unfortunate four-week run was followed by a great 3-week run where Conservative Bob went 10-3 and another 8 weeks of hitting a very respectable 56% on average. Bob ended up the season at over $1300 - an increase of 30% on his initial bankroll.

    The morale of this story is obvious but very few sports bettors practice it. Don't overextend yourself:

    Don't bet too much for your bankroll!

    It is very tempting to put down a lot on each game, especially when you are winning. It is relatively boring to put down a little. But, you need to work within your bankroll, whatever that is. There will be bad streaks and good streaks in sports betting. It is inevitable if you do it for any extended period of time. Do yourself the favor of allowing yourself to "stay in the game." Don't miss out on that late-season run of luck because you are out of the game too early.

    If your bankroll (amount you have set aside to bet with) is $10,000 and your average bet is more than $300, you are betting too much. If you have $1,000 to bet with and your average bet size is $30, you are betting too much. If your bankroll is $500 and you bet more than $15 per game, you are betting too much.

    The silver lining in all of this is that YOU CONTROL THE SINGLE BIGGEST IMPEDIMENT TO LOSING. Let me say that again - regardless of how you pick games or whether someone helps you, you have the ability to erase the single biggest reason you may lose. All you need to do is practice safe money management.

     

     

     

     

     

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    heres one article about money management, theres lots of them out there.
     

    Bankroll Management - Stop betting too much!
    Sports Betting Money Management

    How to keep yourself in the game

    You are betting too much on each game! How can I say that without even knowing you? Because I've been doing this for a long time and have spent a lot of time understanding money management. 99% of sports bettors are betting too much. Think not? Think again.

    Would you "bet" 25% of your entire retirement account on a single stock that had a 40% chance of going to $0 tomorrow? Of course not. Then why are so many sports bettors willing to risk 20%+ of their bankroll on a single game? It's easy to risk too much without knowing it. Please read on to see why...

    A Simple Proposition - Would you take it?
    If I offered you a 10% advantage in a game of chance (55% for you vs. 45%) for 500 bets, would you take that bet? Of course you would. Over the long haul (500 bets), the law of large numbers dictates that you would end up very close to 55% winners (275 winners vs. 225 losers). If we were betting $100 per bet, you'd be up about $5,000 in the end. Easy money.

    Now let's say that I had one constraint. I told you you could start with no more than $500 (your bankroll) and if you ran out of money, you couldn't re-load. In essence, I was forcing you to bet 20% of your bankroll on each bet. Would you still take it? Think you could still take me for $5,000?

    You had better not! You are virtually guaranteed to go bankrupt in this situation. Over the long haul, you will come close to 55% winners - it's a mathematical certainty. But, over the short term, you are guaranteed nothing. Strange streaks will happen. They always do. Over 500 bets, you could easily go 5 or 10 bets in a row (or even more) without winning. You could go 2-18 during a 500 bet session. If I forced you to bet 20% of your bankroll, you'd be crazy to do it because I would take your money like taking candy from a baby.

    Yet, in sports betting, most bettors routinely do the equivalent of taking this bet! Almost every sports bettor bets too much per game relative to the size of their bankroll. They don't think twice about laying half of their entire remaining bankroll on one week's NFL games. The conclusion is this...

    Why The House Wins
    Based on my nearly two decades of sports betting experience, I view this as the most valuable "secret" there is:

    THE HOUSE WINS BECAUSE YOU BET TOO MUCH PER GAME.

    You run out of money before you have a chance to let the laws of large numbers work for you. They are banking on your lack of discipline. That's the main reason (not bad picking) that most sports bettors lose and why The House laughs to the bank.

    Check out this story as an illustration...


    A Tale of Two Sports Bettors

    Risky John and Conservative Bob each started the season with $1000 - their bankroll. They both decided to play the same games throughout the season but they couldn't agree on how much to place on each game. John was more of a risk taker than Bob so John decided to bet about $200 per game (20% of his bankroll). Bob was more conservative and decided to risk about $50 per game (5% of his bankroll). Risky John figured that if he bet more, he could win more. And he was right. In week one, their picks went 4-2. John was up $360 while Conservative Bob only won $90. John was very pleased with himself.

    Week 2 produced the exact same result. Risky John now had a $1720 bankroll while Conservative Bob was up to just $1180. John was very happy. He encouraged Bob to bet more but Bob wasn't so sure about that strategy. What if their luck started to turn? Risky John preferred to think positively. Besides, they were 8-4 and they knew what they were doing! The first two weeks had proved that.

    But then came weeks 3 and 4 in which they went 2-4, 1-3. A bad run for sure, but not uncommon during a 16-week season. In fact, losing streaks are inevitable and guaranteed during a season. Conservative Bob lost $235 while Risky John gave back $940. John now had a lower bankroll than Bob! John was now down to $780. Risky John felt the losing couldn't possibly continue so he stuck with his bet size of $200 per game. The next two weeks they went 2-2 and 1-3.

    Guess what? Risky John was now virtually wiped out - down to $280. Bob, meanwhile lost $360 on the terrible four week run but still had $820 left over. One of them was virtually out of money, the other had over 80% of his original bankroll left.

    What happened next? Well, John quit. And, the unfortunate four-week run was followed by a great 3-week run where Conservative Bob went 10-3 and another 8 weeks of hitting a very respectable 56% on average. Bob ended up the season at over $1300 - an increase of 30% on his initial bankroll.

    The morale of this story is obvious but very few sports bettors practice it. Don't overextend yourself:

    Don't bet too much for your bankroll!

    It is very tempting to put down a lot on each game, especially when you are winning. It is relatively boring to put down a little. But, you need to work within your bankroll, whatever that is. There will be bad streaks and good streaks in sports betting. It is inevitable if you do it for any extended period of time. Do yourself the favor of allowing yourself to "stay in the game." Don't miss out on that late-season run of luck because you are out of the game too early.

    If your bankroll (amount you have set aside to bet with) is $10,000 and your average bet is more than $300, you are betting too much. If you have $1,000 to bet with and your average bet size is $30, you are betting too much. If your bankroll is $500 and you bet more than $15 per game, you are betting too much.

    The silver lining in all of this is that YOU CONTROL THE SINGLE BIGGEST IMPEDIMENT TO LOSING. Let me say that again - regardless of how you pick games or whether someone helps you, you have the ability to erase the single biggest reason you may lose. All you need to do is practice safe money management.

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    So, how much you should you lay per game?
    It depends, of course, on your bankroll (how much you are willing and able to lose over the course of the season). But there is a simple rule that applies regardless of whether you are a ten-dollar per game bettor or a one-thousand-dollar per game bettor: Bet around 2-3% of your bankroll and don't ever bet more than 5% of your bankroll on any given game on which you have even or close to even odds. On rare occassions where you are sure your chance of winning the game is extremely high (i.e. moneyline favoritees), a higher % of bankroll is sometimes warranted. But, for most bets in which you have even odds, 5% is your upper max. There are no locks. Let me repeat that - there is no such thing as a sure thing. Any bet can lose. Losing streaks can and do happen. Even in a season where you hit 60% overall, you'll have weeks where you hit 40%. It's an absolute certainty.

    Can you make money with this strategy? Absolutely. In fact, its required to make money. Without this strategy, you will consistently lose regardless of how well you pick games. If you hit 54-58% (what you should expect), you will lose a lot of money (and maybe even deplete your entire bakroll) if you are betting more than 5% of your bankroll per game!

    If you are winning and on a great roll, your bets can increase and you can win even more. How? You can simply use a percentage of your remaining bankroll. As your bankroll increases, your bet size increases. As your bankroll decreases, your bets decrease. A nice side benefit of this is that, by definition, you can never get wiped out. It is mathematically impossible to lose your entire bankroll if you are always betting a small percentage of it.

    The bottom line: Remember, bet 2% - 5% of your bankroll on any given game (more often on the low end of that range). A good rule of thumb is about 3% per game. If you aren't as sure on a game, drop it to 1% or 2% and if you feel very good about a game, take it up to 4%. For those rare games that you absolutely love, go with 5% but never more.

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    So, how much you should you lay per game?
    It depends, of course, on your bankroll (how much you are willing and able to lose over the course of the season). But there is a simple rule that applies regardless of whether you are a ten-dollar per game bettor or a one-thousand-dollar per game bettor: Bet around 2-3% of your bankroll and don't ever bet more than 5% of your bankroll on any given game on which you have even or close to even odds. On rare occassions where you are sure your chance of winning the game is extremely high (i.e. moneyline favoritees), a higher % of bankroll is sometimes warranted. But, for most bets in which you have even odds, 5% is your upper max. There are no locks. Let me repeat that - there is no such thing as a sure thing. Any bet can lose. Losing streaks can and do happen. Even in a season where you hit 60% overall, you'll have weeks where you hit 40%. It's an absolute certainty.

    Can you make money with this strategy? Absolutely. In fact, its required to make money. Without this strategy, you will consistently lose regardless of how well you pick games. If you hit 54-58% (what you should expect), you will lose a lot of money (and maybe even deplete your entire bakroll) if you are betting more than 5% of your bankroll per game!

    If you are winning and on a great roll, your bets can increase and you can win even more. How? You can simply use a percentage of your remaining bankroll. As your bankroll increases, your bet size increases. As your bankroll decreases, your bets decrease. A nice side benefit of this is that, by definition, you can never get wiped out. It is mathematically impossible to lose your entire bankroll if you are always betting a small percentage of it.

    The bottom line: Remember, bet 2% - 5% of your bankroll on any given game (more often on the low end of that range). A good rule of thumb is about 3% per game. If you aren't as sure on a game, drop it to 1% or 2% and if you feel very good about a game, take it up to 4%. For those rare games that you absolutely love, go with 5% but never more.

     
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    another worthless thread
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    another worthless thread
     
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    The bottom line: Remember, bet 2% - 5% of your bankroll on any given game (more often on the low end of that range). A good rule of thumb is about 3% per game. If you aren't as sure on a game, drop it to 1% or 2% and if you feel very good about a game, take it up to 4%. For those rare games that you absolutely love, go with 5% but never more.

    You really are just stupid aren't you? Quick math question...if you wager 2% on the low end per wager and 5% on the high end per wager, what is your maximum amount of wagers you can have in play PER DAY to not exceed your hard and fast 10% of total bankroll in play per day rule?

    Quick you dolt!

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    The bottom line: Remember, bet 2% - 5% of your bankroll on any given game (more often on the low end of that range). A good rule of thumb is about 3% per game. If you aren't as sure on a game, drop it to 1% or 2% and if you feel very good about a game, take it up to 4%. For those rare games that you absolutely love, go with 5% but never more.

    You really are just stupid aren't you? Quick math question...if you wager 2% on the low end per wager and 5% on the high end per wager, what is your maximum amount of wagers you can have in play PER DAY to not exceed your hard and fast 10% of total bankroll in play per day rule?

    Quick you dolt!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 9:42 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by GAM:

    The bottom line: Remember, bet 2% - 5% of your bankroll on any given game (more often on the low end of that range). A good rule of thumb is about 3% per game. If you aren't as sure on a game, drop it to 1% or 2% and if you feel very good about a game, take it up to 4%. For those rare games that you absolutely love, go with 5% but never more.

    You really are just stupid aren't you? Quick math question...if you wager 2% on the low end per wager and 5% on the high end per wager, what is your maximum amount of wagers you can have in play PER DAY to not exceed your hard and fast 10% of total bankroll in play per day rule?

    Quick you dolt!

     

    are you really this fuckin stupid?  read the article, i didnt write it you idiot.  Obviosly you must be a little math challeneged.  The amount of plays dont matter.  The more plays you have, you just reduce the size of the bets to be able to spread it out to all your plays for the day.  My God this isnt brain surgery.

    in your example above:  lets say you have a 5000 bankroll, if you use the 10 percent thing, that would mean you have 500 bucks to play with for the day.  if you have 10 plays and 9 of them are 2 percent plays then the bet size should be 10 bucks for each play and the 5 percent play should be 25 bucks.  Do i do this?  No i but i wish i had the willpower to do this, because the bankroll would have probably grown alot better thru the years.

    Listen gam bet however the fuck you want to bet, since your making hundreds of thousands doing it anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAM:

    The bottom line: Remember, bet 2% - 5% of your bankroll on any given game (more often on the low end of that range). A good rule of thumb is about 3% per game. If you aren't as sure on a game, drop it to 1% or 2% and if you feel very good about a game, take it up to 4%. For those rare games that you absolutely love, go with 5% but never more.

    You really are just stupid aren't you? Quick math question...if you wager 2% on the low end per wager and 5% on the high end per wager, what is your maximum amount of wagers you can have in play PER DAY to not exceed your hard and fast 10% of total bankroll in play per day rule?

    Quick you dolt!

     

    are you really this fuckin stupid?  read the article, i didnt write it you idiot.  Obviosly you must be a little math challeneged.  The amount of plays dont matter.  The more plays you have, you just reduce the size of the bets to be able to spread it out to all your plays for the day.  My God this isnt brain surgery.

    in your example above:  lets say you have a 5000 bankroll, if you use the 10 percent thing, that would mean you have 500 bucks to play with for the day.  if you have 10 plays and 9 of them are 2 percent plays then the bet size should be 10 bucks for each play and the 5 percent play should be 25 bucks.  Do i do this?  No i but i wish i had the willpower to do this, because the bankroll would have probably grown alot better thru the years.

    Listen gam bet however the fuck you want to bet, since your making hundreds of thousands doing it anyways.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Hes trying to exploit the extra money you can make on moenylines when he has a difference on games. When betting pointspreads, no matter how big a differnece you make the game, you are not going to get extra money on winning plays like you do with moneylines.  There is a difference here.  Just because one of your games has a bigger pointspread difference then the other one, thats really no reason to risk more on one play then another.  This type of betting is what gets us all in trouble.  Just look around the net and you will see so many posters big games go down in flames and their little games hit.

    This is because they are not capping the game properly then.

    If I have a game capped at a 11 point win, I'd bet it differently then if I had a game capped at a 5 point win if the line was a pickem.  Every time.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Hes trying to exploit the extra money you can make on moenylines when he has a difference on games. When betting pointspreads, no matter how big a differnece you make the game, you are not going to get extra money on winning plays like you do with moneylines.  There is a difference here.  Just because one of your games has a bigger pointspread difference then the other one, thats really no reason to risk more on one play then another.  This type of betting is what gets us all in trouble.  Just look around the net and you will see so many posters big games go down in flames and their little games hit.

    This is because they are not capping the game properly then.

    If I have a game capped at a 11 point win, I'd bet it differently then if I had a game capped at a 5 point win if the line was a pickem.  Every time.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2008 - 9:47 PM ET #43

    here my plays tonight are a perfect example of stupid money management.
    I bet golden st -3 first quarter winner for 100 bucks and toronto -105 for 100 bucks, then i went and bet tulsa -3 for 250.
    as it looks now am gonna go 2-1 on the night and be stuck money all because i thought my so called bigger game was better then the other 2.  This is how bettors lose their bankrolls.
    With that said all you guys keep doing whatever way is making you money.  The original intent of my post was about guys posting make believe bet sizes on the net, thats all.  And i stand by my first post, no way matrixx bet 88k in wagers tonight.
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    here my plays tonight are a perfect example of stupid money management.
    I bet golden st -3 first quarter winner for 100 bucks and toronto -105 for 100 bucks, then i went and bet tulsa -3 for 250.
    as it looks now am gonna go 2-1 on the night and be stuck money all because i thought my so called bigger game was better then the other 2.  This is how bettors lose their bankrolls.
    With that said all you guys keep doing whatever way is making you money.  The original intent of my post was about guys posting make believe bet sizes on the net, thats all.  And i stand by my first post, no way matrixx bet 88k in wagers tonight.
     
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    We all agree with you about Matrixx.
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    We all agree with you about Matrixx.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:

    This is because they are not capping the game properly then.

    If I have a game capped at a 11 point win, I'd bet it differently then if I had a game capped at a 5 point win if the line was a pickem.  Every time.

     

     

    G8, If that way of betting is working for you, then thats great. Truth is its a dangerous way to bet thou. So many times you see guys bigger plays going down and their little ones winning.  Hell i did it to myself tonight with the tulsa play.

    good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:

    This is because they are not capping the game properly then.

    If I have a game capped at a 11 point win, I'd bet it differently then if I had a game capped at a 5 point win if the line was a pickem.  Every time.

     

     

    G8, If that way of betting is working for you, then thats great. Truth is its a dangerous way to bet thou. So many times you see guys bigger plays going down and their little ones winning.  Hell i did it to myself tonight with the tulsa play.

    good luck

    cd

     
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    I cant wait until Vanzack reads your stupidity.  If you think Vnazack puts his whole bankroll into play, you havent ever read any of his posts. Now please go away you friggin trouble maker.

    For the record protecting your bankroll is not my rules, maybe you should actually do some reading and research on money management, you want actually learn something.


    I cant wait until he read YOUR stupidity......

    He has a thread that I'll try to dig up where he says that he bets 7% to 13% of his bankroll per play
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

     

    I cant wait until Vanzack reads your stupidity.  If you think Vnazack puts his whole bankroll into play, you havent ever read any of his posts. Now please go away you friggin trouble maker.

    For the record protecting your bankroll is not my rules, maybe you should actually do some reading and research on money management, you want actually learn something.


    I cant wait until he read YOUR stupidity......

    He has a thread that I'll try to dig up where he says that he bets 7% to 13% of his bankroll per play
     
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    cd329......here it is
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    cd329......here it is
     
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    Vanzack doesn't know shit
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    Vanzack doesn't know shit
     
     
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    who cares
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