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    mctrap
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2021 - 8:27 PM ET #2876

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: 1. The demonization of HCQ, ivermectin, vitamins D and C to include zinc.  3. The survivability rate was 99.97%. Did we need to wear masks and allow the powers that be inject us with a messenger RNA vaccine that killed all of the test animals?    7. The PCR testing was set up to detect the human cold.  8. The huge number of false positives was used to scaremonger the population. What happened? Citizens ran out to get the shot that is not a 'vaccine.' 9.  We were never told the truth in order for the powers to be to inject vaccine across the planet. 10. What is in the vaccine? Spike proteins and prions to name just 2 each ingredients.  The spike proteins destroy our/your red blood cells.  11. What is next? biden will shut down the country and blame the unvaccinated. Morning consult poll reveals US ranks 14th in vaccine hesitancy (except for Russia) among 15 major countries.  Anti-vaxers endanger public health by spreading false information.  Coronavirus isn't the flu.  Without mitigation, there would be far more than 600,000 plus deaths in the US.  Covid vaccines fit definition because they help to produce immune response in body to protect against disease.  Vaccines didn't kill lab animals which were euthanized so that scientists can examine their organs.  With millions of doses administered, vaccines have proven to be safe with rare minor side effects.  No evidence of harm from temporary spike proteins produced by human body. No lockdowns are expected in 2021 because of vaccines in the US. Worldwide, many countries don't use HCO and nutritional supplements to treat covid illness.  However masks are used in all countries to reduce virus spread.  Covid testing is valuable for contact tracing, isolation of infected people and informing public health officials.  Sadly, most virus spread comes from unvaccinated population.  More vaccination is still the best way out of pandemic.

    lie     an_roll_laugh

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: 1. The demonization of HCQ, ivermectin, vitamins D and C to include zinc.  3. The survivability rate was 99.97%. Did we need to wear masks and allow the powers that be inject us with a messenger RNA vaccine that killed all of the test animals?    7. The PCR testing was set up to detect the human cold.  8. The huge number of false positives was used to scaremonger the population. What happened? Citizens ran out to get the shot that is not a 'vaccine.' 9.  We were never told the truth in order for the powers to be to inject vaccine across the planet. 10. What is in the vaccine? Spike proteins and prions to name just 2 each ingredients.  The spike proteins destroy our/your red blood cells.  11. What is next? biden will shut down the country and blame the unvaccinated. Morning consult poll reveals US ranks 14th in vaccine hesitancy (except for Russia) among 15 major countries.  Anti-vaxers endanger public health by spreading false information.  Coronavirus isn't the flu.  Without mitigation, there would be far more than 600,000 plus deaths in the US.  Covid vaccines fit definition because they help to produce immune response in body to protect against disease.  Vaccines didn't kill lab animals which were euthanized so that scientists can examine their organs.  With millions of doses administered, vaccines have proven to be safe with rare minor side effects.  No evidence of harm from temporary spike proteins produced by human body. No lockdowns are expected in 2021 because of vaccines in the US. Worldwide, many countries don't use HCO and nutritional supplements to treat covid illness.  However masks are used in all countries to reduce virus spread.  Covid testing is valuable for contact tracing, isolation of infected people and informing public health officials.  Sadly, most virus spread comes from unvaccinated population.  More vaccination is still the best way out of pandemic.

    lie     an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2021 - 8:30 PM ET #2877

    @mctrap

     What are you, dense? 

    I said they were leaving for more money. What don't you understand about that?

    Go somewhere else & spew your bullshit.

     

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    @mctrap

     What are you, dense? 

    I said they were leaving for more money. What don't you understand about that?

    Go somewhere else & spew your bullshit.

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2021 - 8:36 PM ET #2878

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @mctrap  What are you, dense?  I said they were leaving for more money. What don't you understand about that? Go somewhere else & spew your bullshit.

    Said the mind controlled GMO spewing MSM propaganda. You political swamp creatures like to swim in your own pool of puke. And then when somebody comes around and points that out to you, it's "how dare you point out that reality to me."an_roll_laugh

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @mctrap  What are you, dense?  I said they were leaving for more money. What don't you understand about that? Go somewhere else & spew your bullshit.

    Said the mind controlled GMO spewing MSM propaganda. You political swamp creatures like to swim in your own pool of puke. And then when somebody comes around and points that out to you, it's "how dare you point out that reality to me."an_roll_laugh

     
    DoubleUp4Life
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2021 - 9:18 PM ET #2879

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @mctrap  What are you, dense?  I said they were leaving for more money. What don't you understand about that? Go somewhere else & spew your bullshit.

     

    He cant leave ..That incel has nowhere to go 

    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @mctrap  What are you, dense?  I said they were leaving for more money. What don't you understand about that? Go somewhere else & spew your bullshit.

     

    He cant leave ..That incel has nowhere to go 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2021 - 10:07 PM ET #2880

    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap:

    Three quarters of new Covid cases are in vaccinated people -

    Misleading to suggest vaccinated people are more likely to be infected. Infection rate isn't the same for unvaccinated and vaccinated. Breakthrough infections are rare , occurring in under 1% of fully vaccinated. Vast majority of virus spread comes from unvaccinated population. 

    Since Massachusetts has high vaccination rate, no surprise a smaller number in unvaccinated can be infected.  As more of population is vaccinated, their share of infections increases. So if population is 100% vaccinated, 100% of infections are in the vaccinated.  This doesn't mean vaccines don't work. Unvaccinated account for 99% of covi d deaths and hospitalizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap:

    Three quarters of new Covid cases are in vaccinated people -

    Misleading to suggest vaccinated people are more likely to be infected. Infection rate isn't the same for unvaccinated and vaccinated. Breakthrough infections are rare , occurring in under 1% of fully vaccinated. Vast majority of virus spread comes from unvaccinated population. 

    Since Massachusetts has high vaccination rate, no surprise a smaller number in unvaccinated can be infected.  As more of population is vaccinated, their share of infections increases. So if population is 100% vaccinated, 100% of infections are in the vaccinated.  This doesn't mean vaccines don't work. Unvaccinated account for 99% of covi d deaths and hospitalizations.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2021 - 11:13 PM ET #2881

    https://www.covid.is/data

    https://www.google.com/search?q=iceland+vaccination+rate&newwindow=1&source=hp&ei=c1ULYZuzEYWEtQXCr7_QAQ&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYQtjg-14WeVR-HiZJJur6J1lkDLeGMdl&oq=iceland+vaccination+rate&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQgAEMQCMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIYDMgUIABCGAzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BQguEIAEOgsILhCABBDHARCvAToOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAEIAEELEDOggILhCABBCxAzoLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6CwgAEIAEELEDEMkDOgUIABCSAzoLCC4QgAQQsQMQkwI6BQgAELEDOg4IABCABBCxAxCDARDJAzoICAAQgAQQyQNQ_AhY3FZgvWtoAHAAeACAAfAEiAGAKJIBCjAuMTQuOS41LTGYAQCgAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjbuPmE85jyAhUFQq0KHcLXDxoQ4dUDCAo&uact=5

    ICELAND; 71.3% vaccinated

    Yesterday in Iceland; 71 positives from vaccinated, 43 unvaxed

    2 days ago; 60 positives from vaccinated, 45 unvaxed

    3 days ago; 51 positives from vaccinated, 15 from unvaxed

    THESE NUMBERS SHOW THE VACCINATED ARE BEING INFECTED AT A RATE SIMILAR TO THE UNVACCINATED.

    Breakthroughs WERE rare, NOT ANYMORE.

    WHEN DO YOU THINK OUR CDC WILL HAVE A BAR GRAPH LIKE ICELAND HAS??    new_laugh_cry

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    https://www.covid.is/data

    https://www.google.com/search?q=iceland+vaccination+rate&newwindow=1&source=hp&ei=c1ULYZuzEYWEtQXCr7_QAQ&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYQtjg-14WeVR-HiZJJur6J1lkDLeGMdl&oq=iceland+vaccination+rate&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQgAEMQCMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIYDMgUIABCGAzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BQguEIAEOgsILhCABBDHARCvAToOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAEIAEELEDOggILhCABBCxAzoLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6CwgAEIAEELEDEMkDOgUIABCSAzoLCC4QgAQQsQMQkwI6BQgAELEDOg4IABCABBCxAxCDARDJAzoICAAQgAQQyQNQ_AhY3FZgvWtoAHAAeACAAfAEiAGAKJIBCjAuMTQuOS41LTGYAQCgAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjbuPmE85jyAhUFQq0KHcLXDxoQ4dUDCAo&uact=5

    ICELAND; 71.3% vaccinated

    Yesterday in Iceland; 71 positives from vaccinated, 43 unvaxed

    2 days ago; 60 positives from vaccinated, 45 unvaxed

    3 days ago; 51 positives from vaccinated, 15 from unvaxed

    THESE NUMBERS SHOW THE VACCINATED ARE BEING INFECTED AT A RATE SIMILAR TO THE UNVACCINATED.

    Breakthroughs WERE rare, NOT ANYMORE.

    WHEN DO YOU THINK OUR CDC WILL HAVE A BAR GRAPH LIKE ICELAND HAS??    new_laugh_cry

     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2021 - 11:23 PM ET #2882

    @mctrap

     I have now officially banned you from getting any response from me & I encourage others to do the same.

    an_dance  

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    @mctrap

     I have now officially banned you from getting any response from me & I encourage others to do the same.

    an_dance  

     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2021 - 1:12 PM ET #2883

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     What are the % of people who've been infected and recovered (with and without the vaccine) with regards to reinfection and spreading? I don't ever hear this information being presented. I know it's difficult to study, but there has to be some numbers. If someone's been infected and recovered ( I believe the recovery rate is over 99%) do they have a natural immunity, or is their immunity now on par with those who've received the vaccine? Just curious if you or anyone else has those numbers that would like to present.

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    @Midnight1

     What are the % of people who've been infected and recovered (with and without the vaccine) with regards to reinfection and spreading? I don't ever hear this information being presented. I know it's difficult to study, but there has to be some numbers. If someone's been infected and recovered ( I believe the recovery rate is over 99%) do they have a natural immunity, or is their immunity now on par with those who've received the vaccine? Just curious if you or anyone else has those numbers that would like to present.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2021 - 3:55 PM ET #2884

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    REPUBLICAN Lawmaker
           Changes His Tune On Coronavirus
            After Nearly Dying Of COVID-19

    As the nation battled the coronavirus last year, Byrd was among 55 members
    of the Tennessee House who advanced a conspiracy-fueled message that
    *downplayed* the contagious disease and BLAMED THE MEDIA.

     

     

    “Foolishly, I believed this virus only seriously affected people who are
      at high risk,” he stated.
    “COVID took over my lungs with lightning speed. I developed pneumonia.
      I got sicker and sicker, and more and more anxious.
      Every breath was pure agony.” 

    Byrd was hospitalized on Dec. 5, the beginning of an eight-month ordeal
    that included 55 days on a ventilator.
    After he seemed to be recovering, his liver failed and he needed a transplant.

    “I understand the concerns of those who are hesitant,” Byrd stated.
    “To them, I would say COVID is real and it is very dangerous.”

    According to data cited by The New York Times, Tennessee has seen
    hospitalizations more than double over the past two weeks. an_light
    Just 39% of the state’s residents are fully vaccinated,
    well below the national average of 49%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    REPUBLICAN Lawmaker
           Changes His Tune On Coronavirus
            After Nearly Dying Of COVID-19

    As the nation battled the coronavirus last year, Byrd was among 55 members
    of the Tennessee House who advanced a conspiracy-fueled message that
    *downplayed* the contagious disease and BLAMED THE MEDIA.

     

     

    “Foolishly, I believed this virus only seriously affected people who are
      at high risk,” he stated.
    “COVID took over my lungs with lightning speed. I developed pneumonia.
      I got sicker and sicker, and more and more anxious.
      Every breath was pure agony.” 

    Byrd was hospitalized on Dec. 5, the beginning of an eight-month ordeal
    that included 55 days on a ventilator.
    After he seemed to be recovering, his liver failed and he needed a transplant.

    “I understand the concerns of those who are hesitant,” Byrd stated.
    “To them, I would say COVID is real and it is very dangerous.”

    According to data cited by The New York Times, Tennessee has seen
    hospitalizations more than double over the past two weeks. an_light
    Just 39% of the state’s residents are fully vaccinated,
    well below the national average of 49%.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2021 - 3:58 PM ET #2885

    Midnight1 censoring the truth that has breached the echo chamber of insanity is the New normal?  Breaking news: All paid trolls are pu$$ys. Shocker!

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    Midnight1 censoring the truth that has breached the echo chamber of insanity is the New normal?  Breaking news: All paid trolls are pu$$ys. Shocker!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2021 - 5:01 PM ET #2886

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     I have no idea.

    Like you, I am skeptical of what is being reported & I would think the data just isn't available yet to come to any concrete conclusions. 

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    @BigGame90

     I have no idea.

    Like you, I am skeptical of what is being reported & I would think the data just isn't available yet to come to any concrete conclusions. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2021 - 5:05 PM ET #2887

    Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine shows 93% efficacy through 6 months,
    as company expects to finish application for approval this month

    The efficacy data came from a final analysis of the vaccine’s Phase 3 study,
    which enrolled thousands of participants who received both doses last year,
    before it was made available to the wider public.

    “In final analysis” of the study, “the Moderna Covid-19 vaccine showed
    93% efficacy, with the efficacy remaining durable through six months
    after administration of the second dose,” Moderna said in a news release.

     

    *Problem as I see it, is those 6 months were based MOSTLy on the

    original strain ov COVID  -- not the DELTA variant

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    Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine shows 93% efficacy through 6 months,
    as company expects to finish application for approval this month

    The efficacy data came from a final analysis of the vaccine’s Phase 3 study,
    which enrolled thousands of participants who received both doses last year,
    before it was made available to the wider public.

    “In final analysis” of the study, “the Moderna Covid-19 vaccine showed
    93% efficacy, with the efficacy remaining durable through six months
    after administration of the second dose,” Moderna said in a news release.

     

    *Problem as I see it, is those 6 months were based MOSTLy on the

    original strain ov COVID  -- not the DELTA variant

     
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    CNN fired three employees who violated its Covid safety protocols by going to the office unvaccinated, the company said Thursday. It's one of the first known examples of a major U.S. corporation terminating workers for ignoring a workplace vaccine mandate per the NY Times.

    I believe we will see more of this.

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    CNN fired three employees who violated its Covid safety protocols by going to the office unvaccinated, the company said Thursday. It's one of the first known examples of a major U.S. corporation terminating workers for ignoring a workplace vaccine mandate per the NY Times.

    I believe we will see more of this.

     
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    Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) said he will require state employees to show proof of vaccination or a weekly negative coronavirus test beginning Sept. 1, as case numbers continue to rise across the state.

    Individual liberties are still in place so stop whining. Individuals have the choice on where to work and if they don’t want to provide proof of vaccination, they can choose to work somewhere else. Choice goes both ways. No one is forcing them to work that job.

    Follow the rules or move on.

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    Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) said he will require state employees to show proof of vaccination or a weekly negative coronavirus test beginning Sept. 1, as case numbers continue to rise across the state.

    Individual liberties are still in place so stop whining. Individuals have the choice on where to work and if they don’t want to provide proof of vaccination, they can choose to work somewhere else. Choice goes both ways. No one is forcing them to work that job.

    Follow the rules or move on.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    CNN fired three employees who violated its Covid safety protocols by going to the office unvaccinated, the company said Thursday. It's one of the first known examples of a major U.S. corporation terminating workers for ignoring a workplace vaccine mandate per the NY Times. I believe we will see more of this.

     

    cnn standing by good principles  thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    CNN fired three employees who violated its Covid safety protocols by going to the office unvaccinated, the company said Thursday. It's one of the first known examples of a major U.S. corporation terminating workers for ignoring a workplace vaccine mandate per the NY Times. I believe we will see more of this.

     

    cnn standing by good principles  thumbs_up

     
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    BREAKING NEWS:

    20,000 new cases in Florida today with 84 deaths. Nicklaus Child Hospital has already admitted 25 kids in the month of August!

    Meanwhile DeSantis wants to withhold funding from schools requiring kids to wear masks in school.

    Typical bully move on his part.

     

     

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    BREAKING NEWS:

    20,000 new cases in Florida today with 84 deaths. Nicklaus Child Hospital has already admitted 25 kids in the month of August!

    Meanwhile DeSantis wants to withhold funding from schools requiring kids to wear masks in school.

    Typical bully move on his part.

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap: Three quarters of new Covid cases are in vaccinated people - Misleading to suggest vaccinated people are more likely to be infected. Infection rate isn't the same for unvaccinated and vaccinated. Breakthrough infections are rare , occurring in under 1% of fully vaccinated. Vast majority of virus spread comes from unvaccinated population.  Since Massachusetts has high vaccination rate, no surprise a smaller number in unvaccinated can be infected.  As more of population is vaccinated, their share of infections increases. So if population is 100% vaccinated, 100% of infections are in the vaccinated.  This doesn't mean vaccines don't work. Unvaccinated account for 99% of covi d deaths and hospitalizations.

    Logic of the insane.peace_5

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap: Three quarters of new Covid cases are in vaccinated people - Misleading to suggest vaccinated people are more likely to be infected. Infection rate isn't the same for unvaccinated and vaccinated. Breakthrough infections are rare , occurring in under 1% of fully vaccinated. Vast majority of virus spread comes from unvaccinated population.  Since Massachusetts has high vaccination rate, no surprise a smaller number in unvaccinated can be infected.  As more of population is vaccinated, their share of infections increases. So if population is 100% vaccinated, 100% of infections are in the vaccinated.  This doesn't mean vaccines don't work. Unvaccinated account for 99% of covi d deaths and hospitalizations.

    Logic of the insane.peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Dr, Fauci will be going on a "modified" quarantine for 14 days. He's scheduled to testify in front of Congress next week. Redfield (CDC) & Hahn (FDA) will be self quarantined for 14 days but will testify via video conference methods. Thinking is they all came into contact with Katie Miller the wife of the head WH Nazi. The President's valet, the VP press secretary, Ivanka's personal assistant and one of Melania's aides have all tested positive.  We're all waiting for that miracle Donnie Boy! Don't you mean the Gates funded fraud  Fauci who needs some time off to prepare his cover up and propaganda presentation before lying to Congress? You mean the fraud who has many vacc. Patents obtained by firing scientists underneath him? The same Wuhan lab funding Fauci? What will the lemmings do when he tells you all to jump over a cliff while wearing your muzzle, I mean mask? Politics is just the entertainment division of the MIC, CIA and Big Pharma. And this thread is a comedy show with a cast of blind leading the blind characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Dr, Fauci will be going on a "modified" quarantine for 14 days. He's scheduled to testify in front of Congress next week. Redfield (CDC) & Hahn (FDA) will be self quarantined for 14 days but will testify via video conference methods. Thinking is they all came into contact with Katie Miller the wife of the head WH Nazi. The President's valet, the VP press secretary, Ivanka's personal assistant and one of Melania's aides have all tested positive.  We're all waiting for that miracle Donnie Boy! Don't you mean the Gates funded fraud  Fauci who needs some time off to prepare his cover up and propaganda presentation before lying to Congress? You mean the fraud who has many vacc. Patents obtained by firing scientists underneath him? The same Wuhan lab funding Fauci? What will the lemmings do when he tells you all to jump over a cliff while wearing your muzzle, I mean mask? Politics is just the entertainment division of the MIC, CIA and Big Pharma. And this thread is a comedy show with a cast of blind leading the blind characters.

    an_roll_laugh

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Misleading to suggest vaccinated people are more likely to be infected. Infection rate isn't the same for unvaccinated and vaccinated. Breakthrough infections are rare , occurring in under 1% of fully vaccinated. Vast majority of virus spread comes from unvaccinated population.  Since Massachusetts has high vaccination rate, no surprise a smaller number in unvaccinated can be infected.  As more of population is vaccinated, their share of infections increases. So if population is 100% vaccinated, 100% of infections are in the vaccinated.  This doesn't mean vaccines don't work. Unvaccinated account for 99% of covi d deaths and hospitalizations.

     

    yep   makes sense   peace_5

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Misleading to suggest vaccinated people are more likely to be infected. Infection rate isn't the same for unvaccinated and vaccinated. Breakthrough infections are rare , occurring in under 1% of fully vaccinated. Vast majority of virus spread comes from unvaccinated population.  Since Massachusetts has high vaccination rate, no surprise a smaller number in unvaccinated can be infected.  As more of population is vaccinated, their share of infections increases. So if population is 100% vaccinated, 100% of infections are in the vaccinated.  This doesn't mean vaccines don't work. Unvaccinated account for 99% of covi d deaths and hospitalizations.

     

    yep   makes sense   peace_5

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    ICELAND; 71.3% vaccinated Yesterday in Iceland; 71 positives from vaccinated, 43 unvaxed  THESE NUMBERS SHOW THE VACCINATED ARE BEING INFECTED AT A RATE SIMILAR TO THE UNVACCINATED. Breakthroughs WERE rare, NOT ANYMORE.

    Myth is that vaccinated people are spreading virus as much as the unvaccinated.  Surges in covid cases are mostly caused by the unvaccinated. In Israel, infection rate is 2% among the vaccinated and 13% among the unvaccinated.  In Canada, 90% of covid cases occur in unvaccinated people.  Imperial college London found the unvaccinated are far more likely to be infected and to infect others.  US center for disease control reveals that the vaccinated has a 3-6 times lower risk of infection and 10 times lower risk of serious illness.  

    The most important statistics aren't the infections, but rather deaths and hospitalizations.  Actually, 75% of covid cases in vaccinated people is good news because vaccines are very effective in preventing serious illness.  Also vaccinated are more willing to be tested than the unvaccinated.  So cases tend to be over represented in the vaccinated. That is why experts aren't too concerned about vaccinated people getting infected.  Axios Ipsos poll found most vaccinated people blame the unvaccinated for increase in cases.  But the unvaccinated denies responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    ICELAND; 71.3% vaccinated Yesterday in Iceland; 71 positives from vaccinated, 43 unvaxed  THESE NUMBERS SHOW THE VACCINATED ARE BEING INFECTED AT A RATE SIMILAR TO THE UNVACCINATED. Breakthroughs WERE rare, NOT ANYMORE.

    Myth is that vaccinated people are spreading virus as much as the unvaccinated.  Surges in covid cases are mostly caused by the unvaccinated. In Israel, infection rate is 2% among the vaccinated and 13% among the unvaccinated.  In Canada, 90% of covid cases occur in unvaccinated people.  Imperial college London found the unvaccinated are far more likely to be infected and to infect others.  US center for disease control reveals that the vaccinated has a 3-6 times lower risk of infection and 10 times lower risk of serious illness.  

    The most important statistics aren't the infections, but rather deaths and hospitalizations.  Actually, 75% of covid cases in vaccinated people is good news because vaccines are very effective in preventing serious illness.  Also vaccinated are more willing to be tested than the unvaccinated.  So cases tend to be over represented in the vaccinated. That is why experts aren't too concerned about vaccinated people getting infected.  Axios Ipsos poll found most vaccinated people blame the unvaccinated for increase in cases.  But the unvaccinated denies responsibility.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    If someone's been infected and recovered ( I believe the recovery rate is over 99%) do they have a natural immunity, or is their immunity now on par with those who've received the vaccine?

    Immunity response to infection varies widely from person to person. For some viruses, infection produces stronger immunity than from vaccines.   But in India study, detected anti-bodies don't always guarantee protection against serious illness.  In Sweden, natural immunity is estimated to be 2-3% of population in 2020.  Problem is that trying to achieve herd immunity by infection is dangerous and takes too long. 

    Risks of hospitalization, virus spread, death and long term effects outweigh any benefit from natural immunity.  Reuters fact check disputes claim that natural immunity is superior to vaccines.  Vaccines provide safer and more consistent protection up to 95% effectiveness.  Even previously infected people can benefit from extra protection of vaccines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    If someone's been infected and recovered ( I believe the recovery rate is over 99%) do they have a natural immunity, or is their immunity now on par with those who've received the vaccine?

    Immunity response to infection varies widely from person to person. For some viruses, infection produces stronger immunity than from vaccines.   But in India study, detected anti-bodies don't always guarantee protection against serious illness.  In Sweden, natural immunity is estimated to be 2-3% of population in 2020.  Problem is that trying to achieve herd immunity by infection is dangerous and takes too long. 

    Risks of hospitalization, virus spread, death and long term effects outweigh any benefit from natural immunity.  Reuters fact check disputes claim that natural immunity is superior to vaccines.  Vaccines provide safer and more consistent protection up to 95% effectiveness.  Even previously infected people can benefit from extra protection of vaccines.

     
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    Did the unvaccinated cause serious covid issues for Piers Morgan. Mr Morgan has had serious health issues after receiving the very and extremely safe covid vaccine. The point is. The vaccinated are much more dangerous to society than the unvaccinated! it will get to the point that I should wear an NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) suit and a military grade mask to keep me safe!

    Vaccinated Piers Morgan Apparently Seriously Ill With Covid | Principia Scientific Intl. (principia-scientific.com)

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    Did the unvaccinated cause serious covid issues for Piers Morgan. Mr Morgan has had serious health issues after receiving the very and extremely safe covid vaccine. The point is. The vaccinated are much more dangerous to society than the unvaccinated! it will get to the point that I should wear an NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) suit and a military grade mask to keep me safe!

    Vaccinated Piers Morgan Apparently Seriously Ill With Covid | Principia Scientific Intl. (principia-scientific.com)

     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2021 - 10:59 AM ET #2898

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Myth is that vaccinated people are spreading virus as much as the unvaccinated. Surges in covid cases are mostly caused by the unvaccinated.

    intresting

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Myth is that vaccinated people are spreading virus as much as the unvaccinated. Surges in covid cases are mostly caused by the unvaccinated.

    intresting

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    The most important statistics aren't the infections, but rather deaths and hospitalizations.

    fact   peace_5

    and they r rising incredibly fast in republican states in the south

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    The most important statistics aren't the infections, but rather deaths and hospitalizations.

    fact   peace_5

    and they r rising incredibly fast in republican states in the south

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: The most important statistics aren't the infections, but rather deaths and hospitalizations. fact   and they r rising incredibly fast in republican states in the south

    Hospitalizations are occurring almost exclusively from people that fall under the categories of; un-vaccinated, elderly, underlying conditions and obese persons. If you fall under these categories IMO (that's "In My Opinion") the short term benefits of the vaccine should highly outweigh the unknown long term effects that have not been studied.

    There is a reason why young, healthy people are not rushing to get a vaccine that is so new without any official approval or long term studies. 98% recovery rate vs so called 95% vaccine efficiency.

    Everyone stay healthy. Eat well. Exercise daily. Practice living clean. Stop eating shit every day. Get off the couch every 30 minutes to stretch. Wash your hands. Don't lick your dirty fingers or others dirty fingers in public. Cough into your sleeve and away from people to stop/prevent as many droplets from spreading. Keep distance when talking without a mask. Practice common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: The most important statistics aren't the infections, but rather deaths and hospitalizations. fact   and they r rising incredibly fast in republican states in the south

    Hospitalizations are occurring almost exclusively from people that fall under the categories of; un-vaccinated, elderly, underlying conditions and obese persons. If you fall under these categories IMO (that's "In My Opinion") the short term benefits of the vaccine should highly outweigh the unknown long term effects that have not been studied.

    There is a reason why young, healthy people are not rushing to get a vaccine that is so new without any official approval or long term studies. 98% recovery rate vs so called 95% vaccine efficiency.

    Everyone stay healthy. Eat well. Exercise daily. Practice living clean. Stop eating shit every day. Get off the couch every 30 minutes to stretch. Wash your hands. Don't lick your dirty fingers or others dirty fingers in public. Cough into your sleeve and away from people to stop/prevent as many droplets from spreading. Keep distance when talking without a mask. Practice common sense.

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