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    DogbiteWilliams
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2021 - 1:40 AM ET #3151

    @UNIMAN

    Age is a very serious comorbidity.  For example, in Italy the fataliity rate of 30-39 year olds is 0.3%.  For 70-79 year olds it is 12.8%.  That is 42.67 times higher.  The 66% protection level against the Delta variant is pretty shaky for someone that old, but it still makes sense to get the vaccine - just like it makes sense to wear seatbelts even though they won't save everybody. 

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    @UNIMAN

    Age is a very serious comorbidity.  For example, in Italy the fataliity rate of 30-39 year olds is 0.3%.  For 70-79 year olds it is 12.8%.  That is 42.67 times higher.  The 66% protection level against the Delta variant is pretty shaky for someone that old, but it still makes sense to get the vaccine - just like it makes sense to wear seatbelts even though they won't save everybody. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2021 - 12:14 PM ET #3152

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    @UNIMAN Age is a very serious comorbidity.  For example, in Italy the fataliity rate of 30-39 year olds is 0.3%.  For 70-79 year olds it is 12.8%.  That is 42.67 times higher.  The 66% protection level against the Delta variant is pretty shaky for someone that old, but it still makes sense to get the vaccine - just like it makes sense to wear seatbelts even though they won't save everybody.

    So why are you telling me something I already know??? Avg median age of death from COVID in U.S. is 78. 

    So glad WE now all recognize the 66% (or less) effectiveness!!! NOT 99% that has been spewed over and over. FALSE INFORMATION!!!

    I'm not anti-vax. I'm PRO-CHOICE. Lot of bikers don't wear helmets, THAT's THEIR CHOICE. Me, I'd wear one.

    Glad to see FULL college football stadiums across the U.S. saturday. PEOPLE ARE SICK OF THIS SHIT, GET ON WITH LIVING!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    @UNIMAN Age is a very serious comorbidity.  For example, in Italy the fataliity rate of 30-39 year olds is 0.3%.  For 70-79 year olds it is 12.8%.  That is 42.67 times higher.  The 66% protection level against the Delta variant is pretty shaky for someone that old, but it still makes sense to get the vaccine - just like it makes sense to wear seatbelts even though they won't save everybody.

    So why are you telling me something I already know??? Avg median age of death from COVID in U.S. is 78. 

    So glad WE now all recognize the 66% (or less) effectiveness!!! NOT 99% that has been spewed over and over. FALSE INFORMATION!!!

    I'm not anti-vax. I'm PRO-CHOICE. Lot of bikers don't wear helmets, THAT's THEIR CHOICE. Me, I'd wear one.

    Glad to see FULL college football stadiums across the U.S. saturday. PEOPLE ARE SICK OF THIS SHIT, GET ON WITH LIVING!!!!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2021 - 4:33 PM ET #3153

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    they rename it.

    In those who are FULLY VACCINATED against the ORIGINAL STRAIN of covid-19, deaths are rare, but *DO* occur because the trump-vaccine developed for that strain is only 90-95% effective. So there's those 5-10% fully vaccinated who will be unlucky. This was always known and explained many, many, MANY TIMES OVER to the public before......well at least in the major papers and on both MSNBC and CNN. Don't know if FOX NEWS or other rightwing partisan media explained the facts to their followers.

    an_light However, there are NOW  somewhat higher rates of hospitalizations and deaths in Americans FULLY VACCINATED against the ORIGINAL STRAIN of covid-19  because they are getting INFECTED WITH *DELTA* - which the trump-vaccine was NOT developed against (DELTA only evolved this year)

    Less educated people across American get easily confused, especially those who follow news sources that present only rightwing partisan views.  They think (wrongly) that Covid-19:"the original strain from last year" and Covid-19: "the new DELTA-strain" are THE SAME THING since they are both routinely called Covid.  But this false.  DELTA is far more contagious for one, and more aggressive on health to all ages, promoting more severity in symptoms.  Logically this can be expected from any mutation.  And we are being warned DELTA will mutate further

    yep

    to date nobody has devised a vaccine against the mutated form of original covid and no health official has said they have devised any new vaccine to combat it .all we have is the rump-vaccine

    rump vaccines vs original covid = over 90% efficacy

    rump vaccines vs DELTA mutation = about 66%

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    they rename it.

    In those who are FULLY VACCINATED against the ORIGINAL STRAIN of covid-19, deaths are rare, but *DO* occur because the trump-vaccine developed for that strain is only 90-95% effective. So there's those 5-10% fully vaccinated who will be unlucky. This was always known and explained many, many, MANY TIMES OVER to the public before......well at least in the major papers and on both MSNBC and CNN. Don't know if FOX NEWS or other rightwing partisan media explained the facts to their followers.

    an_light However, there are NOW  somewhat higher rates of hospitalizations and deaths in Americans FULLY VACCINATED against the ORIGINAL STRAIN of covid-19  because they are getting INFECTED WITH *DELTA* - which the trump-vaccine was NOT developed against (DELTA only evolved this year)

    Less educated people across American get easily confused, especially those who follow news sources that present only rightwing partisan views.  They think (wrongly) that Covid-19:"the original strain from last year" and Covid-19: "the new DELTA-strain" are THE SAME THING since they are both routinely called Covid.  But this false.  DELTA is far more contagious for one, and more aggressive on health to all ages, promoting more severity in symptoms.  Logically this can be expected from any mutation.  And we are being warned DELTA will mutate further

    yep

    to date nobody has devised a vaccine against the mutated form of original covid and no health official has said they have devised any new vaccine to combat it .all we have is the rump-vaccine

    rump vaccines vs original covid = over 90% efficacy

    rump vaccines vs DELTA mutation = about 66%

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2021 - 8:52 PM ET #3154

    Freedom protests against public health measures actually undermine liberty.  In fact, anti-mask or anti-vaccine rallies spread lies and conspiracies.  Rallies lead to virus spread which lead to further restrictions and less freedom.  Protesters want to blame governments for restricting their rights, but they continue this unfortunate cycle.  The selfish few compromises the hard work and sacrifices of the selfless many.   Misguided freedom rallies are unreasonable and will always do more harm than any good proposed.

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    Freedom protests against public health measures actually undermine liberty.  In fact, anti-mask or anti-vaccine rallies spread lies and conspiracies.  Rallies lead to virus spread which lead to further restrictions and less freedom.  Protesters want to blame governments for restricting their rights, but they continue this unfortunate cycle.  The selfish few compromises the hard work and sacrifices of the selfless many.   Misguided freedom rallies are unreasonable and will always do more harm than any good proposed.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2021 - 7:52 AM ET #3155

    Protesters' argue they should have the right to choose but their argument is flawed.  The right to freedom stops when it puts others at risk or interfere with their rights.  So masks and vaccination cards help to preserve freedom by allowing for safe reopening of economy while protecting the rights of others.

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    Protesters' argue they should have the right to choose but their argument is flawed.  The right to freedom stops when it puts others at risk or interfere with their rights.  So masks and vaccination cards help to preserve freedom by allowing for safe reopening of economy while protecting the rights of others.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2021 - 9:15 AM ET #3156

    And you folks didn't spread lies and conspiriaces??? Oh yes you did!!! And still do.

    ---99% of cases are the unvaxed.  LIE

    ---it's a pandemic of the unvaxed. Conspiracy

    ---masks and vaccination cards WILL NOT ALLOW SAFE REOPENINGS. Only give a false sense of security. The vaccinated will still get COVID, the vaccinated will still be hospitalized, the vaccinated will still DIE. 

    RIGHT NOW ON THE GEORGIA FOOTBALL TEAM THERE ARE FOUR VACCINATED PLAYERS WITH COVID THREATENING THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE UNVACCINATED PLAYERS.  

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    And you folks didn't spread lies and conspiriaces??? Oh yes you did!!! And still do.

    ---99% of cases are the unvaxed.  LIE

    ---it's a pandemic of the unvaxed. Conspiracy

    ---masks and vaccination cards WILL NOT ALLOW SAFE REOPENINGS. Only give a false sense of security. The vaccinated will still get COVID, the vaccinated will still be hospitalized, the vaccinated will still DIE. 

    RIGHT NOW ON THE GEORGIA FOOTBALL TEAM THERE ARE FOUR VACCINATED PLAYERS WITH COVID THREATENING THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE UNVACCINATED PLAYERS.  

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2021 - 9:49 AM ET #3157

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Protesters' argue they should have the right to choose but their argument is flawed.  The right to freedom stops when it puts others at risk or interfere with their rights.  So masks and vaccination cards help to preserve freedom by allowing for safe reopening of economy while protecting the rights of others.

    Tell that to Obama and his big indoor maskless birthday party

    Tell that to Bowser and her big indoor maskless birthday party

    Tell that to Whitmer and her maskless democrat pizza party

    Tell that to Newsom.

    Tell that to Tlaib attending maskless indoor wedding after ripping Rand Paul about masks.

    Tell that to the planeload of maskless dem's fleeing Texas and infecting the Whitehouse.

    I could go on and on......................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Protesters' argue they should have the right to choose but their argument is flawed.  The right to freedom stops when it puts others at risk or interfere with their rights.  So masks and vaccination cards help to preserve freedom by allowing for safe reopening of economy while protecting the rights of others.

    Tell that to Obama and his big indoor maskless birthday party

    Tell that to Bowser and her big indoor maskless birthday party

    Tell that to Whitmer and her maskless democrat pizza party

    Tell that to Newsom.

    Tell that to Tlaib attending maskless indoor wedding after ripping Rand Paul about masks.

    Tell that to the planeload of maskless dem's fleeing Texas and infecting the Whitehouse.

    I could go on and on......................................

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2021 - 10:07 AM ET #3158

    If your riding a bike and you fear you could fall, wear a helmet that will protect your head, not a leather cap!

    If you have trouble with vision while driving, get your eyes corrected with prescription glasses.

    If you fear you could fall while walking, get a cane.

    If you work in industry you may need PPE in certain situations. For safety glasses it's Z87.1 ANSI approved glasses! Not something off a walmart shelve!!

     

    If YOU fear that COVID may harm YOU, get an approved N95 mask, know how to properly fit it, and protect YOURSELF!!!

    Cloth masks are a joke!!! Political obedience statement at best that even the elected leaders DO NOT FOLLOW.  

    If our leaders were serious it would be ONLY N95 tested and approved masks. They have been TESTED!!!! But they are not serious. They want to create division from which they strive to gain more power. All about the power, not the safety of people.

    So you young healthy folks, many who already had COVID with no issues, LIVE YOUR LIVES I SAY!!!! Let those with fear or cormorbidities wear the masks. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED THE PPE.

    And I believe when this is years behind us scientists will find that the vaccinated, with higher numbers of asymptomatic symptoms, spread covid at a rate equal to or even higher than the unvaccinated who recognized the symptoms and quarintined. 

    Especially since so many venues give a "free pass" to the vaccinated without 72 hours testing!! an_shake

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    If your riding a bike and you fear you could fall, wear a helmet that will protect your head, not a leather cap!

    If you have trouble with vision while driving, get your eyes corrected with prescription glasses.

    If you fear you could fall while walking, get a cane.

    If you work in industry you may need PPE in certain situations. For safety glasses it's Z87.1 ANSI approved glasses! Not something off a walmart shelve!!

     

    If YOU fear that COVID may harm YOU, get an approved N95 mask, know how to properly fit it, and protect YOURSELF!!!

    Cloth masks are a joke!!! Political obedience statement at best that even the elected leaders DO NOT FOLLOW.  

    If our leaders were serious it would be ONLY N95 tested and approved masks. They have been TESTED!!!! But they are not serious. They want to create division from which they strive to gain more power. All about the power, not the safety of people.

    So you young healthy folks, many who already had COVID with no issues, LIVE YOUR LIVES I SAY!!!! Let those with fear or cormorbidities wear the masks. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED THE PPE.

    And I believe when this is years behind us scientists will find that the vaccinated, with higher numbers of asymptomatic symptoms, spread covid at a rate equal to or even higher than the unvaccinated who recognized the symptoms and quarintined. 

    Especially since so many venues give a "free pass" to the vaccinated without 72 hours testing!! an_shake

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2021 - 2:58 PM ET #3159

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Freedom protests against public health measures actually undermine liberty.  In fact, anti-mask or anti-vaccine rallies spread lies and conspiracies.  Rallies lead to virus spread which lead to further restrictions and less freedom.  Protesters want to blame governments for restricting their rights, but they continue this unfortunate cycle.  The selfish few compromises the hard work and sacrifices of the selfless many.   Misguided freedom rallies are unreasonable and will always do more harm than any good proposed.

    Is that you Don Lemon?

    Immunize yourself against herd stupidity. Turn off all MSM propaganda.

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Freedom protests against public health measures actually undermine liberty.  In fact, anti-mask or anti-vaccine rallies spread lies and conspiracies.  Rallies lead to virus spread which lead to further restrictions and less freedom.  Protesters want to blame governments for restricting their rights, but they continue this unfortunate cycle.  The selfish few compromises the hard work and sacrifices of the selfless many.   Misguided freedom rallies are unreasonable and will always do more harm than any good proposed.

    Is that you Don Lemon?

    Immunize yourself against herd stupidity. Turn off all MSM propaganda.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2021 - 3:03 PM ET #3160

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Protesters' argue they should have the right to choose but their argument is flawed.  The right to freedom stops when it puts others at risk or interfere with their rights.  So masks and vaccination cards help to preserve freedom by allowing for safe reopening of economy while protecting the rights of others.

    Conversation overheard during break time @ troll central headquarters.

    Troll KellyM_1964:   "Are you going to get vaxxed?"

    Troll thirdperson:  "Are you crazy, they haven't even finished the tests on humans!"

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Protesters' argue they should have the right to choose but their argument is flawed.  The right to freedom stops when it puts others at risk or interfere with their rights.  So masks and vaccination cards help to preserve freedom by allowing for safe reopening of economy while protecting the rights of others.

    Conversation overheard during break time @ troll central headquarters.

    Troll KellyM_1964:   "Are you going to get vaxxed?"

    Troll thirdperson:  "Are you crazy, they haven't even finished the tests on humans!"

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2021 - 5:00 PM ET #3161

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Freedom protests against public health measures actually undermine liberty.  In fact, anti-mask or anti-vaccine rallies spread lies and conspiracies.  Rallies lead to virus spread which lead to further restrictions and less freedom.  Protesters want to blame governments for restricting their rights, but they continue this unfortunate cycle.  The selfish few compromises the hard work and sacrifices of the selfless many.   Misguided freedom rallies are unreasonable and will always do more harm than any good proposed.

    I remember you saying that BLM protests at the height of the pandemic didn’t lead to virus spread. 

    Why do you believe those rallies didn’t lead to spread but these rallies do? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Freedom protests against public health measures actually undermine liberty.  In fact, anti-mask or anti-vaccine rallies spread lies and conspiracies.  Rallies lead to virus spread which lead to further restrictions and less freedom.  Protesters want to blame governments for restricting their rights, but they continue this unfortunate cycle.  The selfish few compromises the hard work and sacrifices of the selfless many.   Misguided freedom rallies are unreasonable and will always do more harm than any good proposed.

    I remember you saying that BLM protests at the height of the pandemic didn’t lead to virus spread. 

    Why do you believe those rallies didn’t lead to spread but these rallies do? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Freedom protests against public health measures actually undermine liberty. 

    In fact, anti-mask or anti-vaccine rallies spread lies and conspiracies. 

    Rallies lead to virus spread which lead to further restrictions and less freedom. 

    Protesters want to blame governments for restricting their rights, but they continue this unfortunate cycle. 

    The selfish few compromises the hard work and sacrifices of the selfless many.  

    Misguided freedom rallies are unreasonable and will always do more harm than any good proposed.

     

    100% spot on , thirdperson  peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Freedom protests against public health measures actually undermine liberty. 

    In fact, anti-mask or anti-vaccine rallies spread lies and conspiracies. 

    Rallies lead to virus spread which lead to further restrictions and less freedom. 

    Protesters want to blame governments for restricting their rights, but they continue this unfortunate cycle. 

    The selfish few compromises the hard work and sacrifices of the selfless many.  

    Misguided freedom rallies are unreasonable and will always do more harm than any good proposed.

     

    100% spot on , thirdperson  peace_5

     
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    The Intercept FINALLY get their FOIA request granted. (requested in Sept. 2020)

    Oh look what they found; https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/

    https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/wuhan-lab-documents-show-fauci-untruthful-about-research-critics/

    https://news.yahoo.com/internal-documents-further-contradict-fauci-142902303.html

    Lan_eek2k's like that eye doctor from Kentucky was right!!!

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    The Intercept FINALLY get their FOIA request granted. (requested in Sept. 2020)

    Oh look what they found; https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/

    https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/wuhan-lab-documents-show-fauci-untruthful-about-research-critics/

    https://news.yahoo.com/internal-documents-further-contradict-fauci-142902303.html

    Lan_eek2k's like that eye doctor from Kentucky was right!!!

     
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    Gallup polls reveal majority of Americans support vaccination requirements while dining in restaurants, attending events with large crowds, staying at hotels, travelling by airplanes and working in offices or worksites.  Previously, Gallup found a narrow majority opposed to vaccination requirements early in 2021. But now public attitudes have changed significantly.

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    Gallup polls reveal majority of Americans support vaccination requirements while dining in restaurants, attending events with large crowds, staying at hotels, travelling by airplanes and working in offices or worksites.  Previously, Gallup found a narrow majority opposed to vaccination requirements early in 2021. But now public attitudes have changed significantly.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Freedom protests against public health measures actually undermine liberty.  In fact, anti-mask or anti-vaccine rallies spread lies and conspiracies.  Rallies lead to virus spread which lead to further restrictions and less freedom.  Protesters want to blame governments for restricting their rights, but they continue this unfortunate cycle.  The selfish few compromises the hard work and sacrifices of the selfless many.   Misguided freedom rallies are unreasonable and will always do more harm than any good proposed.   100% spot on , thirdperson

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Freedom protests against public health measures actually undermine liberty.  In fact, anti-mask or anti-vaccine rallies spread lies and conspiracies.  Rallies lead to virus spread which lead to further restrictions and less freedom.  Protesters want to blame governments for restricting their rights, but they continue this unfortunate cycle.  The selfish few compromises the hard work and sacrifices of the selfless many.   Misguided freedom rallies are unreasonable and will always do more harm than any good proposed.   100% spot on , thirdperson

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    The Intercept FINALLY get their FOIA request granted. (requested in Sept. 2020) Oh look what they found; https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/ https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/wuhan-lab-documents-show-fauci-untruthful-about-research-critics/ https://news.yahoo.com/internal-documents-further-contradict-fauci-142902303.html Lk's like that eye doctor from Kentucky was right!!!

    Remember, copy & paste.....the Bots won't open and read your article, especially if it doesn't fit their single simple minded narratives an_light 
    But yes, the certifiable truth is finally coming out on the fraudster Fauci peace_5

     

    "Dr. Anthony Fauci has been accused by critics of lying after newly released documents appear to contradict his claims that the National Institute of Health did not fund gain-of-function research at China’s Wuhan lab.

    Senator Rand Paul led the criticism against Fauci on Tuesday after the documents, obtained by The Intercept, detailed grants given to EcoHealth Alliance — the nonprofit that funneled federal funds to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for bat coronavirus research.

    Included in the trove of documents is a previously unpublished grant proposal that EcoHealth Alliance, which is run by Peter Daszak, filed with Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.

    Fauci has repeatedly insisted that NIH funding of the Wuhan lab does not constitute as “gain-of-function” research.

    “Surprise surprise – Fauci lied again. And I was right about his agency funding novel Coronavirus research at Wuhan,” Sen. Paul tweeted after the documents were made public. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    The Intercept FINALLY get their FOIA request granted. (requested in Sept. 2020) Oh look what they found; https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/ https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/wuhan-lab-documents-show-fauci-untruthful-about-research-critics/ https://news.yahoo.com/internal-documents-further-contradict-fauci-142902303.html Lk's like that eye doctor from Kentucky was right!!!

    Remember, copy & paste.....the Bots won't open and read your article, especially if it doesn't fit their single simple minded narratives an_light 
    But yes, the certifiable truth is finally coming out on the fraudster Fauci peace_5

     

    "Dr. Anthony Fauci has been accused by critics of lying after newly released documents appear to contradict his claims that the National Institute of Health did not fund gain-of-function research at China’s Wuhan lab.

    Senator Rand Paul led the criticism against Fauci on Tuesday after the documents, obtained by The Intercept, detailed grants given to EcoHealth Alliance — the nonprofit that funneled federal funds to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for bat coronavirus research.

    Included in the trove of documents is a previously unpublished grant proposal that EcoHealth Alliance, which is run by Peter Daszak, filed with Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.

    Fauci has repeatedly insisted that NIH funding of the Wuhan lab does not constitute as “gain-of-function” research.

    “Surprise surprise – Fauci lied again. And I was right about his agency funding novel Coronavirus research at Wuhan,” Sen. Paul tweeted after the documents were made public. 

     
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    Newly released documents appear to contradict Dr. Anthony Fauci’s repeated claims that the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

    The internal documents detail the work of EcoHealth Alliance, an American research non-profit which used NIH funding to research novel bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab. Among the documents, which were obtained by The Intercept through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a previously unpublished EcoHealth Alliance grant proposal filed with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, which is run by Fauci.

    The proposal requests $3.1 million for a project titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,” which involved screening thousands of lab workers for novel bat coronaviruses. The grant was awarded for five years, from 2014 to 2019, and was subsequently renewed before being suspended by the Trump administration. The proposal directs $599,000 of the total grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for research designed to make the viruses more dangerous and/or infectious — and its author acknowledged the danger associated with such work.

    Newly released documents appear to contradict Dr. Anthony Fauci’s repeated claims that the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

    The internal documents detail the work of EcoHealth Alliance, an American research non-profit which used NIH funding to research novel bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab. Among the documents, which were obtained by The Intercept through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a previously unpublished EcoHealth Alliance grant proposal filed with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, which is run by Fauci.

    The proposal requests $3.1 million for a project titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,” which involved screening thousands of lab workers for novel bat coronaviruses. The grant was awarded for five years, from 2014 to 2019, and was subsequently renewed before being suspended by the Trump administration. The proposal directs $599,000 of the total grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for research designed to make the viruses more dangerous and/or infectious — and its author acknowledged the danger associated with such work.

     

    “Fieldwork involves the highest risk of exposure to SARS or other CoVs, while working in caves with high bat density overhead and the potential for fecal dust to be inhaled,” it read.

    After reviewing the documents, Gary Ruskin, executive director of a group probing COVID’s origins called U.S. Right to Know, told the Intercept that the grant was a “road map to the high-risk research that could have led to the current pandemic.”

    Fauci has repeatedly insisted during his Senate testimony that the research being funded by the NIH at the WIV did not qualify as “gain-of-function” under the NIH’s current definition. 

    You will not survive here. You are not a wolf, and this is the land of wolves now...
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    Newly released documents appear to contradict Dr. Anthony Fauci’s repeated claims that the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

    The internal documents detail the work of EcoHealth Alliance, an American research non-profit which used NIH funding to research novel bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab. Among the documents, which were obtained by The Intercept through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a previously unpublished EcoHealth Alliance grant proposal filed with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, which is run by Fauci.

    The proposal requests $3.1 million for a project titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,” which involved screening thousands of lab workers for novel bat coronaviruses. The grant was awarded for five years, from 2014 to 2019, and was subsequently renewed before being suspended by the Trump administration. The proposal directs $599,000 of the total grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for research designed to make the viruses more dangerous and/or infectious — and its author acknowledged the danger associated with such work.

    Newly released documents appear to contradict Dr. Anthony Fauci’s repeated claims that the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

    The internal documents detail the work of EcoHealth Alliance, an American research non-profit which used NIH funding to research novel bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab. Among the documents, which were obtained by The Intercept through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a previously unpublished EcoHealth Alliance grant proposal filed with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, which is run by Fauci.

    The proposal requests $3.1 million for a project titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,” which involved screening thousands of lab workers for novel bat coronaviruses. The grant was awarded for five years, from 2014 to 2019, and was subsequently renewed before being suspended by the Trump administration. The proposal directs $599,000 of the total grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for research designed to make the viruses more dangerous and/or infectious — and its author acknowledged the danger associated with such work.

     

    “Fieldwork involves the highest risk of exposure to SARS or other CoVs, while working in caves with high bat density overhead and the potential for fecal dust to be inhaled,” it read.

    After reviewing the documents, Gary Ruskin, executive director of a group probing COVID’s origins called U.S. Right to Know, told the Intercept that the grant was a “road map to the high-risk research that could have led to the current pandemic.”

    Fauci has repeatedly insisted during his Senate testimony that the research being funded by the NIH at the WIV did not qualify as “gain-of-function” under the NIH’s current definition. 

     
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    Gallup polls reveal majority of Americans support vaccination requirements while dining in restaurants, attending events with large crowds, staying at hotels, travelling by airplanes and working in offices or worksites. 

     

     

    majority of americans  yep

    not  the majority of chump supporters in government

     

     

     

     

     

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    Gallup polls reveal majority of Americans support vaccination requirements while dining in restaurants, attending events with large crowds, staying at hotels, travelling by airplanes and working in offices or worksites. 

     

     

    majority of americans  yep

    not  the majority of chump supporters in government

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    The link below is a sad story about a healthy 64 year old woman who took both Pfizer 'kill' shots. She died of a prion disease that destroys the brain called Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease. You will not here this story anywhere else. I promise you.

    Florida woman dies of brain disease after taking Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine (chemicalviolence.com)

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    The link below is a sad story about a healthy 64 year old woman who took both Pfizer 'kill' shots. She died of a prion disease that destroys the brain called Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease. You will not here this story anywhere else. I promise you.

    Florida woman dies of brain disease after taking Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine (chemicalviolence.com)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Gallup polls reveal majority of Americans support vaccination requirements while dining in restaurants, attending events with large crowds, staying at hotels, travelling by airplanes and working in offices or worksites.  Previously, Gallup found a narrow majority opposed to vaccination requirements early in 2021. But now public attitudes have changed significantly.

    And Joe Biden's WH press secretary Jen Psaki just called Covid19 a "global PLANDEMIC" in a major press conference. 

    So now that the government has admitted this is a fake pandemic, you now have the best reason of all to NOT get the fake vaccination. But you should be 100% extremely worried about losing your constitutional rights, liberties and freedoms through medical tyranny, as that was the plan all along.

    htts://Twitter.com/Mickeegee2020/status

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Gallup polls reveal majority of Americans support vaccination requirements while dining in restaurants, attending events with large crowds, staying at hotels, travelling by airplanes and working in offices or worksites.  Previously, Gallup found a narrow majority opposed to vaccination requirements early in 2021. But now public attitudes have changed significantly.

    And Joe Biden's WH press secretary Jen Psaki just called Covid19 a "global PLANDEMIC" in a major press conference. 

    So now that the government has admitted this is a fake pandemic, you now have the best reason of all to NOT get the fake vaccination. But you should be 100% extremely worried about losing your constitutional rights, liberties and freedoms through medical tyranny, as that was the plan all along.

    htts://Twitter.com/Mickeegee2020/status

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Gallup polls reveal majority of Americans support vaccination requirements while dining in restaurants, attending events with large crowds, staying at hotels, travelling by airplanes and working in offices or worksites.  Previously, Gallup found a narrow majority opposed to vaccination requirements early in 2021. But now public attitudes have changed significantly.

     

    science finally starting to sink in to those who opposed it bfor thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Gallup polls reveal majority of Americans support vaccination requirements while dining in restaurants, attending events with large crowds, staying at hotels, travelling by airplanes and working in offices or worksites.  Previously, Gallup found a narrow majority opposed to vaccination requirements early in 2021. But now public attitudes have changed significantly.

     

    science finally starting to sink in to those who opposed it bfor thumbs_up

     
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    I'm not going to get into the dangers of the vaccine. Over 4 billion have already had at least one shot. The fact that big pharma wanted a total non-liabilty clause was/is concerning. If you have a disabilty caused by the vaccine your screwed. Chances next to nothing it will happen, yet in rare cases it has. And I'll leave it at that.

     

    Interesting FACTS;

    Vermont has 99.9% of those age 65 and older vaccinated. Overall, Vermont has 68.32% of it's entire population vaccinated.

    Maine has 98.7% of those age 65 and older vaccinated. Overall, Maine has 66.45% of their population vaccinated.

    Two of the vaccinated LEADERS in the country.

    Now let's compare the case and death rates for both of these states, 7-day avg from yesterday, Sept 8th to those same stats from Sept 8th, 2020.

    Vermont's COVID cases are up a staggering 4933% compared to last yr on Sept 8th. From Aug 25th, 2020 to Sept 8th, 2020 there were 0 Vermont deaths, same time period this yr there were 11 deaths.

    Maine's cases are up 1321% from same time period last year, death rate from Aug 25th, 2020 to Sept 8th, 2020 3 people died, this year 20 people have died. 

    Didn't have to hunt for or cherry pick this data, it's the same across the United States. Overall death rate in the U.S. is up 63% from same time as last yr. And it's not just the unvaxed states!!!

    Wait til NOVEMBER!!!!

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    I'm not going to get into the dangers of the vaccine. Over 4 billion have already had at least one shot. The fact that big pharma wanted a total non-liabilty clause was/is concerning. If you have a disabilty caused by the vaccine your screwed. Chances next to nothing it will happen, yet in rare cases it has. And I'll leave it at that.

     

    Interesting FACTS;

    Vermont has 99.9% of those age 65 and older vaccinated. Overall, Vermont has 68.32% of it's entire population vaccinated.

    Maine has 98.7% of those age 65 and older vaccinated. Overall, Maine has 66.45% of their population vaccinated.

    Two of the vaccinated LEADERS in the country.

    Now let's compare the case and death rates for both of these states, 7-day avg from yesterday, Sept 8th to those same stats from Sept 8th, 2020.

    Vermont's COVID cases are up a staggering 4933% compared to last yr on Sept 8th. From Aug 25th, 2020 to Sept 8th, 2020 there were 0 Vermont deaths, same time period this yr there were 11 deaths.

    Maine's cases are up 1321% from same time period last year, death rate from Aug 25th, 2020 to Sept 8th, 2020 3 people died, this year 20 people have died. 

    Didn't have to hunt for or cherry pick this data, it's the same across the United States. Overall death rate in the U.S. is up 63% from same time as last yr. And it's not just the unvaxed states!!!

    Wait til NOVEMBER!!!!

     
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     The Delt is no joke. I know people roll their eyes when I bring up lab/biological weapon origins, and in all fairness these mutations could very well be natural, but I swear thus thing seems to be perfecting itself and the rate of said mutations, the nature of them, is alarming. I predict a variant with none of the traditional visible symptoms that attacks the lungs directly. No cough, no sore throat, then all of a sudden pneumonia.

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    @UNIMAN

     The Delt is no joke. I know people roll their eyes when I bring up lab/biological weapon origins, and in all fairness these mutations could very well be natural, but I swear thus thing seems to be perfecting itself and the rate of said mutations, the nature of them, is alarming. I predict a variant with none of the traditional visible symptoms that attacks the lungs directly. No cough, no sore throat, then all of a sudden pneumonia.

     
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    on a related note

    people who r fully vaccinated against smallpox   r still getting infected with the measles

    imagine that

    proof positive that the smallpox vaccine does not work

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    on a related note

    people who r fully vaccinated against smallpox   r still getting infected with the measles

    imagine that

    proof positive that the smallpox vaccine does not work

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    on a related note people who r fully vaccinated against smallpox   r still getting infected with the measles imagine that proof positive that the smallpox vaccine does not work

     What are you babbling about? Smallpox and measles? What does either of them have to do with the price of tea in China, or this thread? Smallpox is virtually non-existent. I don't't think many people are actually getting smallpox vaccinations anymore but maybe. Measles still exists but is rarely contracted. There as been a small uptick in cases in the last decade because of new-age anti-vax parents not getting their kids vaccinated against measles even though they themselves were vaccinated as children. You know throwback vegan sage burning anti-vaxxers. Not this new breed. What does any of that have to do with this subject though?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    on a related note people who r fully vaccinated against smallpox   r still getting infected with the measles imagine that proof positive that the smallpox vaccine does not work

     What are you babbling about? Smallpox and measles? What does either of them have to do with the price of tea in China, or this thread? Smallpox is virtually non-existent. I don't't think many people are actually getting smallpox vaccinations anymore but maybe. Measles still exists but is rarely contracted. There as been a small uptick in cases in the last decade because of new-age anti-vax parents not getting their kids vaccinated against measles even though they themselves were vaccinated as children. You know throwback vegan sage burning anti-vaxxers. Not this new breed. What does any of that have to do with this subject though?

     

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