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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 3:46 PM ET #3576

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Heard on the street, NFL is slated to postpone three games this week.  Washington and Cleveland both have 20+ players locked in on Covid19 protocol, so chances are these two teams are on the high list of postponement.

     

    college hoops cancelled several already and also the nhl

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Heard on the street, NFL is slated to postpone three games this week.  Washington and Cleveland both have 20+ players locked in on Covid19 protocol, so chances are these two teams are on the high list of postponement.

     

    college hoops cancelled several already and also the nhl

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 5:12 PM ET #3577

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    . Those vaxed get a sub-optimal immune system response because the innate immune response is turned OFF.

    No scientific evidences that covid vaccines weaken immune system or increase risk of cancer or disease according to British society for immunology, University of Oxford and Health feedback.  Reality is the opposite.  Vaccine booster shots help build immunity protection and benefits of vaccination far outweigh any risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    . Those vaxed get a sub-optimal immune system response because the innate immune response is turned OFF.

    No scientific evidences that covid vaccines weaken immune system or increase risk of cancer or disease according to British society for immunology, University of Oxford and Health feedback.  Reality is the opposite.  Vaccine booster shots help build immunity protection and benefits of vaccination far outweigh any risk.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 5:13 PM ET #3578

    @UNIMAN

    Heard  peace_5

    You will not survive here. You are not a wolf, and this is the land of wolves now...
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    Heard  peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: . Those vaxed get a sub-optimal immune system response because the innate immune response is turned OFF. No scientific evidences that covid vaccines weaken immune system or increase risk of cancer or disease according to British society for immunology, University of Oxford and Health feedback.  Reality is the opposite.  Vaccine booster shots help build immunity protection and benefits of vaccination far outweigh any risk.

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     I'm not the Doc here Third (nor are you) nor am I the author..... go fact check the Doc and get back to us, would love to here Pendo's reply... 

    https://www.covers.com/forum/nfl-betting-21/rams39-beckham-headlines-covid-19-list-as-nfl-outbreak-widens-103592637/6  

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: . Those vaxed get a sub-optimal immune system response because the innate immune response is turned OFF. No scientific evidences that covid vaccines weaken immune system or increase risk of cancer or disease according to British society for immunology, University of Oxford and Health feedback.  Reality is the opposite.  Vaccine booster shots help build immunity protection and benefits of vaccination far outweigh any risk.

    @Pendo

     I'm not the Doc here Third (nor are you) nor am I the author..... go fact check the Doc and get back to us, would love to here Pendo's reply... 

    https://www.covers.com/forum/nfl-betting-21/rams39-beckham-headlines-covid-19-list-as-nfl-outbreak-widens-103592637/6  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 5:18 PM ET #3580

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: . Those vaxed get a sub-optimal immune system response because the innate immune response is turned OFF.

     

    No scientific evidences that covid vaccines weaken immune system or increase risk of cancer or disease according to British society for immunology, University of Oxford and Health feedback.  Reality is the opposite.  Vaccine booster shots help build immunity protection and benefits of vaccination far outweigh any risk.

     

    Thank you for the facts, Thirdperson.  thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: . Those vaxed get a sub-optimal immune system response because the innate immune response is turned OFF.

     

    No scientific evidences that covid vaccines weaken immune system or increase risk of cancer or disease according to British society for immunology, University of Oxford and Health feedback.  Reality is the opposite.  Vaccine booster shots help build immunity protection and benefits of vaccination far outweigh any risk.

     

    Thank you for the facts, Thirdperson.  thumbs_up

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 5:39 PM ET #3581

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    https://dailyangle.com/articles/fauci-admits-covid-vaccines-may-actually-make-people-worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    https://dailyangle.com/articles/fauci-admits-covid-vaccines-may-actually-make-people-worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Kaiser Family Foundation for research analysis has found that:


    85% of adults who are Democrats are fully vaccinated
    55% of adults who are Republicans are fully vaccinated

     

     

    Vaccination is not foolproof.   But it's still better than nothing, particularly for the 55% of the US population with at least one pre-existing health condition.   We aren't just talking about the elderly anymore.  Delta is much more aggressive and attacks all age groups.

    As of this writing, vaccinated with added booster have good efficacy vs. omicron (from very early data)

    More research needed.

     

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    Kaiser Family Foundation for research analysis has found that:


    85% of adults who are Democrats are fully vaccinated
    55% of adults who are Republicans are fully vaccinated

     

     

    Vaccination is not foolproof.   But it's still better than nothing, particularly for the 55% of the US population with at least one pre-existing health condition.   We aren't just talking about the elderly anymore.  Delta is much more aggressive and attacks all age groups.

    As of this writing, vaccinated with added booster have good efficacy vs. omicron (from very early data)

    More research needed.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 7:16 PM ET #3583

    100% vaccinated UCLA Bruins basketball cancelled their next game. 

    Reason given; " COVID protocols" and "COVID issues"

    Could they be anymore vague??? an_lightan_lightan_light

     

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    100% vaccinated UCLA Bruins basketball cancelled their next game. 

    Reason given; " COVID protocols" and "COVID issues"

    Could they be anymore vague??? an_lightan_lightan_light

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Kaiser Family Foundation for research analysis has found that: 85% of adults who are Democrats are fully vaccinated55% of adults who are Republicans are fully vaccinated     Vaccination is not foolproof.   But it's still better than nothing, particularly for the 55% of the US population with at least one pre-existing health condition.   We aren't just talking about the elderly anymore.  Delta is much more aggressive and attacks all age groups. As of this writing, vaccinated with added booster have good efficacy vs. omicron (from very early data) More research needed.

    FAUCI SAYS BOOSTER IS 75% EFFECTIVE ON OMICRON.

    TIME WILL TELL HOW TRUTHFUL THAT STATEMENT WAS. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Kaiser Family Foundation for research analysis has found that: 85% of adults who are Democrats are fully vaccinated55% of adults who are Republicans are fully vaccinated     Vaccination is not foolproof.   But it's still better than nothing, particularly for the 55% of the US population with at least one pre-existing health condition.   We aren't just talking about the elderly anymore.  Delta is much more aggressive and attacks all age groups. As of this writing, vaccinated with added booster have good efficacy vs. omicron (from very early data) More research needed.

    FAUCI SAYS BOOSTER IS 75% EFFECTIVE ON OMICRON.

    TIME WILL TELL HOW TRUTHFUL THAT STATEMENT WAS. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 9:27 PM ET #3585

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Heard on the street, NFL is slated to postpone three games this week.  Washington and Cleveland both have 20+ players locked in on Covid19 protocol, so chances are these two teams are on the high list of postponement.   college hoops cancelled several already and also the nhl

    There are breakthrough infections even from people who have been fully vaccinated. BUT vaccination still offers the best tool for us to protect against Covid-19. Science beats silly ideology and some cracked pipe politics in any given day. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Heard on the street, NFL is slated to postpone three games this week.  Washington and Cleveland both have 20+ players locked in on Covid19 protocol, so chances are these two teams are on the high list of postponement.   college hoops cancelled several already and also the nhl

    There are breakthrough infections even from people who have been fully vaccinated. BUT vaccination still offers the best tool for us to protect against Covid-19. Science beats silly ideology and some cracked pipe politics in any given day. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Heard on the street, NFL is slated to postpone three games this week.  Washington and Cleveland both have 20+ players locked in on Covid19 protocol, so chances are these two teams are on the high list of postponement.   college hoops cancelled several already and also the nhl There are breakthrough infections even from people who have been fully vaccinated. BUT vaccination still offers the best tool for us to protect against Covid-19. Science beats silly ideology and some cracked pipe politics in any given day.

    could not agree more. 

    So why have an indoor mask mandate when smokers can drop that mask at anytime and spread indoor secondhand smoke and covid? NEVADA

    Why have airplane mask mandates when you can drop your mask and eat pretzels and peanuts? Remember when "experts" said getting covid on a plane was very unlikely?

    Why require vaccination to eat in a resturant yet crowded subways open to everyone?

    Why allow rhinestone mesh masks that offer no protection? Just a mask, any piece of shit mask. Your good!

    Why make statements like "Get vaccinated and you won't get covid" when the UK just announced 40% of hospitalizations ARE the vaccinated?

    Why make statements "boosters are 75% effective against Omicron" when incoming data says otherwise, and then say "I am the science"?

    AND MOST OF ALL, WHY IS EVERY COVID THREAD ON COVERS IN THE POLITICAL SECTION? BECAUSE BIDEN PUSHED IT THAT WAY. HE DECLARED WAR ON AMERICAN CONSERVATIVES. AND THEN DEMANDS THEY FOLLOW. an_roll_laugh

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Heard on the street, NFL is slated to postpone three games this week.  Washington and Cleveland both have 20+ players locked in on Covid19 protocol, so chances are these two teams are on the high list of postponement.   college hoops cancelled several already and also the nhl There are breakthrough infections even from people who have been fully vaccinated. BUT vaccination still offers the best tool for us to protect against Covid-19. Science beats silly ideology and some cracked pipe politics in any given day.

    could not agree more. 

    So why have an indoor mask mandate when smokers can drop that mask at anytime and spread indoor secondhand smoke and covid? NEVADA

    Why have airplane mask mandates when you can drop your mask and eat pretzels and peanuts? Remember when "experts" said getting covid on a plane was very unlikely?

    Why require vaccination to eat in a resturant yet crowded subways open to everyone?

    Why allow rhinestone mesh masks that offer no protection? Just a mask, any piece of shit mask. Your good!

    Why make statements like "Get vaccinated and you won't get covid" when the UK just announced 40% of hospitalizations ARE the vaccinated?

    Why make statements "boosters are 75% effective against Omicron" when incoming data says otherwise, and then say "I am the science"?

    AND MOST OF ALL, WHY IS EVERY COVID THREAD ON COVERS IN THE POLITICAL SECTION? BECAUSE BIDEN PUSHED IT THAT WAY. HE DECLARED WAR ON AMERICAN CONSERVATIVES. AND THEN DEMANDS THEY FOLLOW. an_roll_laugh

     

     
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    Now I am not saying vaccines are no good. There is a place for them, the vulnerable or anyone who WANTS one.

    The argument of mandated vaccines loses steam with every breakthrough case. Massachusetts has over 100,000 recorded breakthrough cases and growing every day. The vaccinated can infect the vulnerable just as easy as the vaccinated. IMO, believe a vaccinated person most likely infected Colin Powell.

    It's too bad we didn't concentrate on treatments more, could be much more ahead in this game.

    Hopefully the new "pills" will work and not be another Zantec, as an example. And hopefully Omicron IS as weak as it has shown to be.

     

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    Now I am not saying vaccines are no good. There is a place for them, the vulnerable or anyone who WANTS one.

    The argument of mandated vaccines loses steam with every breakthrough case. Massachusetts has over 100,000 recorded breakthrough cases and growing every day. The vaccinated can infect the vulnerable just as easy as the vaccinated. IMO, believe a vaccinated person most likely infected Colin Powell.

    It's too bad we didn't concentrate on treatments more, could be much more ahead in this game.

    Hopefully the new "pills" will work and not be another Zantec, as an example. And hopefully Omicron IS as weak as it has shown to be.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    There are breakthrough infections even from people who have been fully vaccinated. BUT vaccination still offers the best tool for us to protect against Covid-19. Science beats silly ideology and some cracked pipe politics in any given day.

     

    That is accurate, Europa   peace_5   Cases per se aren't the serious or most relevant issue.  What is most relevant, what these particular vaccines are engineered for, is to vastly reduce the severity of the disease.  To reduce to very minimal levels sickness, hospitalizations and deaths.  So as we know "cases" counts don't tell the story of the vaccines.  They are working as intended if sickness, hospitalizations and deaths are vastly reduced compared to non-vaccinations.

    There can be at any given time a large number of positive tested "cases" among the vaccinated almost as much as the unvaccinated but the measure of import is who is getting sick from it, who is being hospitalized from it, and who is dying from it. The vaccinated or the unvaccinated?

    So far, at least with the Delta variant which has completely dominated the American landscape since late April, the PERCENTAGE of vaccinated persons who still contract the disease anyway and then get sick, hospitalized or dead, is very small compared to those who are unvaccinated and contract the disease.   The severity is what the vaccines prevent, not "cases" per se.  A helluvalot of people don't understand this key point.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    There are breakthrough infections even from people who have been fully vaccinated. BUT vaccination still offers the best tool for us to protect against Covid-19. Science beats silly ideology and some cracked pipe politics in any given day.

     

    That is accurate, Europa   peace_5   Cases per se aren't the serious or most relevant issue.  What is most relevant, what these particular vaccines are engineered for, is to vastly reduce the severity of the disease.  To reduce to very minimal levels sickness, hospitalizations and deaths.  So as we know "cases" counts don't tell the story of the vaccines.  They are working as intended if sickness, hospitalizations and deaths are vastly reduced compared to non-vaccinations.

    There can be at any given time a large number of positive tested "cases" among the vaccinated almost as much as the unvaccinated but the measure of import is who is getting sick from it, who is being hospitalized from it, and who is dying from it. The vaccinated or the unvaccinated?

    So far, at least with the Delta variant which has completely dominated the American landscape since late April, the PERCENTAGE of vaccinated persons who still contract the disease anyway and then get sick, hospitalized or dead, is very small compared to those who are unvaccinated and contract the disease.   The severity is what the vaccines prevent, not "cases" per se.  A helluvalot of people don't understand this key point.

     

     

     
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    The delta got here in mid April so folks dying from delta probably began in early May at the earliest. Would be logical that majority of vaccinated who have died from COVID died from delta as it was the breakthrough variant. Remember the CDC stopped tracking breakthroughs in early May? Wasn't a concern then, no delta, few breakthroughs.

    So Massachusetts, as an example had a 37% fully vaxed rate on May 1, 74% now, so an average over that time of about 55% vaccinated.

    From May 1 to now Massachusetts has had just about 1125 deaths from Covid. They report 699 total deaths for the vaccinated. That represents 62% of the deaths from May 1.

    These states WILL NEVER give you a timeline on when vaccinated deaths occurred, rather they make statements of "these breakthrough cases are only 2% of the vaccinated, obscuring the data purposely. I challenge the CDC or any state to post a daily case record of vaxed vs unvaxed like Iceland does. And a daily death chart, vaxed vs unvaxed. They won't do it and there appears to be a reason why.

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    The delta got here in mid April so folks dying from delta probably began in early May at the earliest. Would be logical that majority of vaccinated who have died from COVID died from delta as it was the breakthrough variant. Remember the CDC stopped tracking breakthroughs in early May? Wasn't a concern then, no delta, few breakthroughs.

    So Massachusetts, as an example had a 37% fully vaxed rate on May 1, 74% now, so an average over that time of about 55% vaccinated.

    From May 1 to now Massachusetts has had just about 1125 deaths from Covid. They report 699 total deaths for the vaccinated. That represents 62% of the deaths from May 1.

    These states WILL NEVER give you a timeline on when vaccinated deaths occurred, rather they make statements of "these breakthrough cases are only 2% of the vaccinated, obscuring the data purposely. I challenge the CDC or any state to post a daily case record of vaxed vs unvaxed like Iceland does. And a daily death chart, vaxed vs unvaxed. They won't do it and there appears to be a reason why.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    The delta got here in mid April so folks dying from delta probably began in early May at the earliest. Would be logical that majority of vaccinated who have died from COVID died from delta as it was the breakthrough variant. Remember the CDC stopped tracking breakthroughs in early May? Wasn't a concern then, no delta, few breakthroughs. So Massachusetts, as an example had a 37% fully vaxed rate on May 1, 74% now, so an average over that time of about 55% vaccinated. From May 1 to now Massachusetts has had just about 1125 deaths from Covid. They report 699 total deaths for the vaccinated. That represents 62% of the deaths from May 1. These states WILL NEVER give you a timeline on when vaccinated deaths occurred, rather they make statements of "these breakthrough cases are only 2% of the vaccinated, obscuring the data purposely. I challenge the CDC or any state to post a daily case record of vaxed vs unvaxed like Iceland does. And a daily death chart, vaxed vs unvaxed. They won't do it and there appears to be a reason why.

    Had to go back and double check that math, 62% just seemed way too high.

    Yep, math error, it is just over 33% of deaths from May 1st as there were 2125 deaths since then, not 1125. 

    Still a significant number, showing vaccine deaths more then they want you to know!

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    The delta got here in mid April so folks dying from delta probably began in early May at the earliest. Would be logical that majority of vaccinated who have died from COVID died from delta as it was the breakthrough variant. Remember the CDC stopped tracking breakthroughs in early May? Wasn't a concern then, no delta, few breakthroughs. So Massachusetts, as an example had a 37% fully vaxed rate on May 1, 74% now, so an average over that time of about 55% vaccinated. From May 1 to now Massachusetts has had just about 1125 deaths from Covid. They report 699 total deaths for the vaccinated. That represents 62% of the deaths from May 1. These states WILL NEVER give you a timeline on when vaccinated deaths occurred, rather they make statements of "these breakthrough cases are only 2% of the vaccinated, obscuring the data purposely. I challenge the CDC or any state to post a daily case record of vaxed vs unvaxed like Iceland does. And a daily death chart, vaxed vs unvaxed. They won't do it and there appears to be a reason why.

    Had to go back and double check that math, 62% just seemed way too high.

    Yep, math error, it is just over 33% of deaths from May 1st as there were 2125 deaths since then, not 1125. 

    Still a significant number, showing vaccine deaths more then they want you to know!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: There are breakthrough infections even from people who have been fully vaccinated. BUT vaccination still offers the best tool for us to protect against Covid-19. Science beats silly ideology and some cracked pipe politics in any given day.   That is accurate, Europa     Cases per se aren't the serious or most relevant issue.  What is most relevant, what these particular vaccines are engineered for, is to vastly reduce the severity of the disease.  To reduce to very minimal levels sickness, hospitalizations and deaths.  So as we know "cases" counts don't tell the story of the vaccines.  They are working as intended if sickness, hospitalizations and deaths are vastly reduced compared to non-vaccinations. There can be at any given time a large number of positive tested "cases" among the vaccinated almost as much as the unvaccinated but the measure of import is who is getting sick from it, who is being hospitalized from it, and who is dying from it. The vaccinated or the unvaccinated? So far, at least with the Delta variant which has completely dominated the American landscape since late April, the PERCENTAGE of vaccinated persons who still contract the disease anyway and then get sick, hospitalized or dead, is very small compared to those who are unvaccinated and contract the disease.   The severity is what the vaccines prevent, not "cases" per se.  A helluvalot of people don't understand this key point.

    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: There are breakthrough infections even from people who have been fully vaccinated. BUT vaccination still offers the best tool for us to protect against Covid-19. Science beats silly ideology and some cracked pipe politics in any given day.   That is accurate, Europa     Cases per se aren't the serious or most relevant issue.  What is most relevant, what these particular vaccines are engineered for, is to vastly reduce the severity of the disease.  To reduce to very minimal levels sickness, hospitalizations and deaths.  So as we know "cases" counts don't tell the story of the vaccines.  They are working as intended if sickness, hospitalizations and deaths are vastly reduced compared to non-vaccinations. There can be at any given time a large number of positive tested "cases" among the vaccinated almost as much as the unvaccinated but the measure of import is who is getting sick from it, who is being hospitalized from it, and who is dying from it. The vaccinated or the unvaccinated? So far, at least with the Delta variant which has completely dominated the American landscape since late April, the PERCENTAGE of vaccinated persons who still contract the disease anyway and then get sick, hospitalized or dead, is very small compared to those who are unvaccinated and contract the disease.   The severity is what the vaccines prevent, not "cases" per se.  A helluvalot of people don't understand this key point.

    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    scant scrutiny of possible causes of illness/death, markedly in the absence of postmortems exams,.   An even more important starting point would be to enumerate and evaluate all deaths that occurred within 28 days of vax injection, and to compare the clinical pictures with those who've not been vaxed.          nobody has ensured all COVID-19 vaccines are supported by high quality trials that are sound; else stop applying med products still in Phase 3 studies.     

    Covid vaccines have been under the most intense safety monitoring of any vaccines in history.  Approved vaccines have passed phase 3 clinical trials involving thousands of people in several countries.  Evidences show vaccines are safe and serious side effects are very rare.  For example,  Canadian data indicates 194 deaths reported out of 55 million vaccine doses administered.  Investigations found 74 of those deaths unlikely to be caused by vaccines.  70 couldn't be assessed due to insufficient information while 44 are still investigated.  Just 6 deaths that "might" be linked to vaccination compared to over 28,000 covid deaths confirmed.  Since vaccination is the most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness, benefits far outweigh rare risks.  However unvaccinated population is in far greater risk from covid.

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    scant scrutiny of possible causes of illness/death, markedly in the absence of postmortems exams,.   An even more important starting point would be to enumerate and evaluate all deaths that occurred within 28 days of vax injection, and to compare the clinical pictures with those who've not been vaxed.          nobody has ensured all COVID-19 vaccines are supported by high quality trials that are sound; else stop applying med products still in Phase 3 studies.     

    Covid vaccines have been under the most intense safety monitoring of any vaccines in history.  Approved vaccines have passed phase 3 clinical trials involving thousands of people in several countries.  Evidences show vaccines are safe and serious side effects are very rare.  For example,  Canadian data indicates 194 deaths reported out of 55 million vaccine doses administered.  Investigations found 74 of those deaths unlikely to be caused by vaccines.  70 couldn't be assessed due to insufficient information while 44 are still investigated.  Just 6 deaths that "might" be linked to vaccination compared to over 28,000 covid deaths confirmed.  Since vaccination is the most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness, benefits far outweigh rare risks.  However unvaccinated population is in far greater risk from covid.

     
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    Notice you, or they, have used the term 55 million DOSES when talking about PEOPLE.  So more like 22.5 million people. Always water it down best as you can!

    Now I agree, vaccines overwhelmingly safe. But there are rare but dangerous exceptions.

    The CDC had previously said that reporting rates of myocarditis for boys aged 16 to 17 could be more than 69 cases per million second doses administered and around 40 cases per million second doses in boys aged 12-15 years old. Eight confirmed cases in children 5-12. 

    All of my grandchildren have recently had COVID. They all got through it like it was the flu. Why the HELL would I recommend they get two shots that could inflame their hearts? Heart muscle doesn't repair easily. A healthy 13 yr old died in June after getting second dose. What are long term effects from damaged hearts, and don't give me the standard "experts say" bullshit. They are guessing.

    RISK outweighs BENEFIT in this case. Yet closed minded idiots say otherwise!

     

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    Notice you, or they, have used the term 55 million DOSES when talking about PEOPLE.  So more like 22.5 million people. Always water it down best as you can!

    Now I agree, vaccines overwhelmingly safe. But there are rare but dangerous exceptions.

    The CDC had previously said that reporting rates of myocarditis for boys aged 16 to 17 could be more than 69 cases per million second doses administered and around 40 cases per million second doses in boys aged 12-15 years old. Eight confirmed cases in children 5-12. 

    All of my grandchildren have recently had COVID. They all got through it like it was the flu. Why the HELL would I recommend they get two shots that could inflame their hearts? Heart muscle doesn't repair easily. A healthy 13 yr old died in June after getting second dose. What are long term effects from damaged hearts, and don't give me the standard "experts say" bullshit. They are guessing.

    RISK outweighs BENEFIT in this case. Yet closed minded idiots say otherwise!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    scant scrutiny of possible causes of illness/death, markedly in the absence of postmortems exams,.   An even more important starting point would be to enumerate and evaluate all deaths that occurred within 28 days of vax injection, and to compare the clinical pictures with those who've not been vaxed.          nobody has ensured all COVID-19 vaccines are supported by high quality trials that are sound; else stop applying med products still in Phase 3 studies.     

     

     

    Covid vaccines have been under the most intense safety monitoring of any vaccines in history.  Approved vaccines have passed phase 3 clinical trials involving thousands of people in several countries.  Evidences show vaccines are safe and serious side effects are very rare.  For example,  Canadian data indicates 194 deaths reported out of 55 million vaccine doses administered.  Investigations found 74 of those deaths unlikely to be caused by vaccines.  70 couldn't be assessed due to insufficient information while 44 are still investigated.  Just 6 deaths that "might" be linked to vaccination compared to over 28,000 covid deaths confirmed.  Since vaccination is the most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness, benefits far outweigh rare risks.  However unvaccinated population is in far greater risk from covid.

    exactly .   

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    scant scrutiny of possible causes of illness/death, markedly in the absence of postmortems exams,.   An even more important starting point would be to enumerate and evaluate all deaths that occurred within 28 days of vax injection, and to compare the clinical pictures with those who've not been vaxed.          nobody has ensured all COVID-19 vaccines are supported by high quality trials that are sound; else stop applying med products still in Phase 3 studies.     

     

     

    Covid vaccines have been under the most intense safety monitoring of any vaccines in history.  Approved vaccines have passed phase 3 clinical trials involving thousands of people in several countries.  Evidences show vaccines are safe and serious side effects are very rare.  For example,  Canadian data indicates 194 deaths reported out of 55 million vaccine doses administered.  Investigations found 74 of those deaths unlikely to be caused by vaccines.  70 couldn't be assessed due to insufficient information while 44 are still investigated.  Just 6 deaths that "might" be linked to vaccination compared to over 28,000 covid deaths confirmed.  Since vaccination is the most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness, benefits far outweigh rare risks.  However unvaccinated population is in far greater risk from covid.

    exactly .   

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: scant scrutiny of possible causes of illness/death, markedly in the absence of postmortems exams,.   An even more important starting point would be to enumerate and evaluate all deaths that occurred within 28 days of vax injection, and to compare the clinical pictures with those who've not been vaxed.          nobody has ensured all COVID-19 vaccines are supported by high quality trials that are sound; else stop applying med products still in Phase 3 studies.      Covid vaccines have been under the most intense safety monitoring of any vaccines in history.  Approved vaccines have passed phase 3 clinical trials involving thousands of people in several countries.  Evidences show vaccines are safe and serious side effects are very rare.  For example,  Canadian data indicates 194 deaths reported out of 55 million vaccine doses administered.  Investigations found 74 of those deaths unlikely to be caused by vaccines.  70 couldn't be assessed due to insufficient information while 44 are still investigated.  Just 6 deaths that "might" be linked to vaccination compared to over 28,000 covid deaths confirmed.  Since vaccination is the most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness, benefits far outweigh rare risks.  However unvaccinated population is in far greater risk from covid.

    So far in the month of December, the thing is seven out of 10 Covid deaths in one So. Cal county were people unvaccinated. 

    Vaccine and mask are two best tools to fight the Covid.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: scant scrutiny of possible causes of illness/death, markedly in the absence of postmortems exams,.   An even more important starting point would be to enumerate and evaluate all deaths that occurred within 28 days of vax injection, and to compare the clinical pictures with those who've not been vaxed.          nobody has ensured all COVID-19 vaccines are supported by high quality trials that are sound; else stop applying med products still in Phase 3 studies.      Covid vaccines have been under the most intense safety monitoring of any vaccines in history.  Approved vaccines have passed phase 3 clinical trials involving thousands of people in several countries.  Evidences show vaccines are safe and serious side effects are very rare.  For example,  Canadian data indicates 194 deaths reported out of 55 million vaccine doses administered.  Investigations found 74 of those deaths unlikely to be caused by vaccines.  70 couldn't be assessed due to insufficient information while 44 are still investigated.  Just 6 deaths that "might" be linked to vaccination compared to over 28,000 covid deaths confirmed.  Since vaccination is the most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness, benefits far outweigh rare risks.  However unvaccinated population is in far greater risk from covid.

    So far in the month of December, the thing is seven out of 10 Covid deaths in one So. Cal county were people unvaccinated. 

    Vaccine and mask are two best tools to fight the Covid.  

     
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    Has anybody had enough of the poison inside the so called 'vaccine?'  The link below shows a Spanish professional basketball player collapsing on the court! The vaccine put the player in danger!

    The Juggernaut on Twitter: "Oscar Cabrera, a basketball player in Northern Spain collapses due to heart failure. https://t.co/2mKugD9GkL" / Twitter

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    Has anybody had enough of the poison inside the so called 'vaccine?'  The link below shows a Spanish professional basketball player collapsing on the court! The vaccine put the player in danger!

    The Juggernaut on Twitter: "Oscar Cabrera, a basketball player in Northern Spain collapses due to heart failure. https://t.co/2mKugD9GkL" / Twitter

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Covid vaccines have been under the most intense safety monitoring of any vaccines in history. Approved vaccines have passed phase 3 clinical trials involving thousands of people in several countries. Evidences show vaccines are safe and serious side effects are very rare.

    donnie chump vaccines  thumbs_up

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    donnie chump vaccines  thumbs_up

     
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    Covid-19 cases in the U.S. are surging. But look at the game between Pats at Colts tonight, a jam packed Lucas Oil Stadium there you can see very little masks up among crowds, players, coaches and refs. That's pretty worrisome sign, prepare yourself through this rough winter upon surging Covid infections. 

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    Covid-19 cases in the U.S. are surging. But look at the game between Pats at Colts tonight, a jam packed Lucas Oil Stadium there you can see very little masks up among crowds, players, coaches and refs. That's pretty worrisome sign, prepare yourself through this rough winter upon surging Covid infections. 

     
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    @sundance  Once again DancingUnderTheSunAfterTooMuchPeyote educates the masses

    I am bringing my A game like Charlie Woods! Here is another classic. From Pocahantas. She tests positive while wearing a headdress and performing a 4 century old rain dance!! Then basically is thankful she took the vaccine 3x! The moral of the story. Be careful if you are around an Ivy Leaguer!

    Elizabeth Warren on Twitter: "I regularly test for COVID & while I tested negative earlier this week, today I tested positive with a breakthrough case. Thankfully, I am only experiencing mild symptoms & am grateful for the protection provided against serious illness that comes from being vaccinated & boosted." / Twitter 

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    @sundance  Once again DancingUnderTheSunAfterTooMuchPeyote educates the masses

    I am bringing my A game like Charlie Woods! Here is another classic. From Pocahantas. She tests positive while wearing a headdress and performing a 4 century old rain dance!! Then basically is thankful she took the vaccine 3x! The moral of the story. Be careful if you are around an Ivy Leaguer!

    Elizabeth Warren on Twitter: "I regularly test for COVID & while I tested negative earlier this week, today I tested positive with a breakthrough case. Thankfully, I am only experiencing mild symptoms & am grateful for the protection provided against serious illness that comes from being vaccinated & boosted." / Twitter 

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