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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2021 - 7:51 PM ET #3601

    Quote Originally Posted by dwqtfj:

    ... thankful she took the vaccine 3x! The moral of the story:


        "I believe totally in your freedoms, I do.
         But I recommend that you take the vaccines,"an_light

                                                - Donald Trump, AUG 21

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    ... thankful she took the vaccine 3x! The moral of the story:


        "I believe totally in your freedoms, I do.
         But I recommend that you take the vaccines,"an_light

                                                - Donald Trump, AUG 21

     
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     When your lying on your belly gasping like you are breathing though a straw with a ventilator 1 foot from your face  and you realize you are in the 2 or 3 %, will still be satisfied that didn’t warrant the vaccine? it’s a free country ur choice...God bless you bro!

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     When your lying on your belly gasping like you are breathing though a straw with a ventilator 1 foot from your face  and you realize you are in the 2 or 3 %, will still be satisfied that didn’t warrant the vaccine? it’s a free country ur choice...God bless you bro!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2021 - 12:28 PM ET #3603

    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    @UNIMAN  When your lying on your belly gasping like you are breathing though a straw with a ventilator 1 foot from your face  and you realize you are in the 2 or 3 %, will still be satisfied that didn’t warrant the vaccine? it’s a free country ur choice...God bless you bro!

    Many vaccinated in the same boat my friend, they die too. Just like that.

    I recommend getting the vaccine if you have any vulnerabilities at all. Smoker? You better get the Vax! Overweight? Yep! Any type of lung issue? Oh yeah, get the damn vaccine!

    Are you young and healthy? Your choice. Do you already have an enlarged heart? Tough choice to make IMO. Talk to the doctor who knows your body.

    And that is my position. One size does not fit all. Being vaccinated DOES NOT STOP THE SPREAD.....ANYMORE. If we didn't have the constant lies and exaggerations more people would be vaccinated. Too bad.

    480,000 people die each and every year from smoking. Not a 2-3 yr pandemic, every year. A stupid addiction we never try to stop. Funny we don't go crazy about that? As Pink Floyd said; "comfortably numb".

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    @UNIMAN  When your lying on your belly gasping like you are breathing though a straw with a ventilator 1 foot from your face  and you realize you are in the 2 or 3 %, will still be satisfied that didn’t warrant the vaccine? it’s a free country ur choice...God bless you bro!

    Many vaccinated in the same boat my friend, they die too. Just like that.

    I recommend getting the vaccine if you have any vulnerabilities at all. Smoker? You better get the Vax! Overweight? Yep! Any type of lung issue? Oh yeah, get the damn vaccine!

    Are you young and healthy? Your choice. Do you already have an enlarged heart? Tough choice to make IMO. Talk to the doctor who knows your body.

    And that is my position. One size does not fit all. Being vaccinated DOES NOT STOP THE SPREAD.....ANYMORE. If we didn't have the constant lies and exaggerations more people would be vaccinated. Too bad.

    480,000 people die each and every year from smoking. Not a 2-3 yr pandemic, every year. A stupid addiction we never try to stop. Funny we don't go crazy about that? As Pink Floyd said; "comfortably numb".

     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2021 - 8:42 PM ET #3604

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    But there are rare but dangerous exceptions. The CDC had previously said that reporting rates of myocarditis for boys aged 16 to 17 could be more than 69 cases per million second doses administered and around 40 cases per million second doses in boys aged 12-15 years old.  Why the HELL would I recommend they get two shots that could inflame their hearts? Heart muscle doesn't repair easily. A healthy 13 yr old died in June after getting second dose. What are long term effects from damaged hearts, RISK outweighs BENEFIT in this case.

    American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccination for everyone aged 5 years or older because benefits outweigh rare risks.  Far higher risk of myocarditis from covid infection than from vaccination.  For example, 86 kids diagnosed with myocarditis out of 65,000 kids with covid.  Myocardiitis cases are almost always mild and temporary.  Most patients recover with little or no treatment.  Generally, there is no lasting damage.    Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines.  Even without vaccine or covid, 132 out of 3.7 million kids naturally develop myocarditis according to Myocarditis foundation.  Fact checks by Reuters and Facebook found no evidence 13 year old kid died from heart attack due to vaccination.

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    But there are rare but dangerous exceptions. The CDC had previously said that reporting rates of myocarditis for boys aged 16 to 17 could be more than 69 cases per million second doses administered and around 40 cases per million second doses in boys aged 12-15 years old.  Why the HELL would I recommend they get two shots that could inflame their hearts? Heart muscle doesn't repair easily. A healthy 13 yr old died in June after getting second dose. What are long term effects from damaged hearts, RISK outweighs BENEFIT in this case.

    American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccination for everyone aged 5 years or older because benefits outweigh rare risks.  Far higher risk of myocarditis from covid infection than from vaccination.  For example, 86 kids diagnosed with myocarditis out of 65,000 kids with covid.  Myocardiitis cases are almost always mild and temporary.  Most patients recover with little or no treatment.  Generally, there is no lasting damage.    Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines.  Even without vaccine or covid, 132 out of 3.7 million kids naturally develop myocarditis according to Myocarditis foundation.  Fact checks by Reuters and Facebook found no evidence 13 year old kid died from heart attack due to vaccination.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2021 - 9:13 PM ET #3605

    "Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines. "

    And Twitter marked the American Heart Association as dangerous for posting a link about myocarditis

    SO IT HAS TO BE TRUE!!! an_roll_laugh     OMG!!!

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    "Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines. "

    And Twitter marked the American Heart Association as dangerous for posting a link about myocarditis

    SO IT HAS TO BE TRUE!!! an_roll_laugh     OMG!!!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2021 - 9:18 PM ET #3606

     

    VP HARRIS;

    " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make."

    What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."

     

    AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS!

     

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    VP HARRIS;

    " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make."

    What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."

     

    AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS!

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2021 - 9:48 PM ET #3607

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    VP HARRIS; " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make." What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."   AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS!

    She was answering a very specific question about if the proliferation of omicron was the fault of the unvaccinated. Obviously it isn't. What was she supposed to say?

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    VP HARRIS; " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make." What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."   AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS!

    She was answering a very specific question about if the proliferation of omicron was the fault of the unvaccinated. Obviously it isn't. What was she supposed to say?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2021 - 1:06 AM ET #3608

    Heard from Dr. Rochelle Walensky, CDC Director, unvaccinated persons are 20 times more likely to die from Covid-19 infection than persons who are vaccinated and boosted.

    Vaccines and boosters can protect people from severe illness from Omicron.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9v52SrEjng&ab_channel=CNBCTelevision

    By the way, the News source comes from CNBC, not some "fake news". 

     

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    Heard from Dr. Rochelle Walensky, CDC Director, unvaccinated persons are 20 times more likely to die from Covid-19 infection than persons who are vaccinated and boosted.

    Vaccines and boosters can protect people from severe illness from Omicron.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9v52SrEjng&ab_channel=CNBCTelevision

    By the way, the News source comes from CNBC, not some "fake news". 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Under Biden administration, the number of covid deaths have been lower than projected according to USA today fact check.  Death toll increases but at diminishing rates.  Death rates are below their peaks.  In 2020, pandemic is just starting.  In 2021, more contagious delta variant emerges in the US.  However cases, hospitalizations and deaths are trending downward now.  Easing of surge has been attributed to masks, vaccination and public health measures.  Yale study found US vaccination campaign prevented almost 270,000 deaths and 1.25 million hospitalizations by July.

    Cases and hospitalizations are not trending downward. 

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    Under Biden administration, the number of covid deaths have been lower than projected according to USA today fact check.  Death toll increases but at diminishing rates.  Death rates are below their peaks.  In 2020, pandemic is just starting.  In 2021, more contagious delta variant emerges in the US.  However cases, hospitalizations and deaths are trending downward now.  Easing of surge has been attributed to masks, vaccination and public health measures.  Yale study found US vaccination campaign prevented almost 270,000 deaths and 1.25 million hospitalizations by July.

    Cases and hospitalizations are not trending downward. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    12 states most at risk have high infection rates and low vaccination rates.  Arkansas, Nevada, Utah, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Mississippi, Louisiana, South Carolina, Missouri and Florida.  World health organization warns against lifting public health restrictions prematurely unless vaccination rate is high enough.  But politicians are eager to gamble by lifting restrictions while public health experts are more cautious.  80% population immunity is needed to prevent winter surge in US.

    What states are the most at risk now? 

    90 Percent of Adult New Yorkers Ages 18 and Over Have Received At Least One Dose of the COVID-19 Vaccine

    The state of New York has just recorded the highest number of daily COVID cases, ever.

    Governor Hochul says “it’s going to get worse”

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    12 states most at risk have high infection rates and low vaccination rates.  Arkansas, Nevada, Utah, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Mississippi, Louisiana, South Carolina, Missouri and Florida.  World health organization warns against lifting public health restrictions prematurely unless vaccination rate is high enough.  But politicians are eager to gamble by lifting restrictions while public health experts are more cautious.  80% population immunity is needed to prevent winter surge in US.

    What states are the most at risk now? 

    90 Percent of Adult New Yorkers Ages 18 and Over Have Received At Least One Dose of the COVID-19 Vaccine

    The state of New York has just recorded the highest number of daily COVID cases, ever.

    Governor Hochul says “it’s going to get worse”

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2021 - 10:52 AM ET #3611

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: VP HARRIS; " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make." What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."   AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS! She was answering a very specific question about if the proliferation of omicron was the fault of the unvaccinated. Obviously it isn't. What was she supposed to say?

    Thanks Stu, didn't know it was specific on Omicron.

    What was she supposed to say? What Joe has been saying all along, it's all those white Republicans who won't get vaccinated fault. Donald Trump's fault, etc. 99% of the pandemic is the unvaccinated. 

    Hopefully Omicron is more like a flu and we can get on living our lives with the government staying the hell out. Oh sure there are those who will scream, an_blowhorn"THERE'S ONE, WE GOT A DEATH WITH OMICRON!!!" 

    Good grief. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: VP HARRIS; " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make." What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."   AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS! She was answering a very specific question about if the proliferation of omicron was the fault of the unvaccinated. Obviously it isn't. What was she supposed to say?

    Thanks Stu, didn't know it was specific on Omicron.

    What was she supposed to say? What Joe has been saying all along, it's all those white Republicans who won't get vaccinated fault. Donald Trump's fault, etc. 99% of the pandemic is the unvaccinated. 

    Hopefully Omicron is more like a flu and we can get on living our lives with the government staying the hell out. Oh sure there are those who will scream, an_blowhorn"THERE'S ONE, WE GOT A DEATH WITH OMICRON!!!" 

    Good grief. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2021 - 10:52 AM ET #3612

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: VP HARRIS; " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make." What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."   AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS! She was answering a very specific question about if the proliferation of omicron was the fault of the unvaccinated. Obviously it isn't. What was she supposed to say?

     

    Well, considering this new strain came from overseas (like he original and when we had very little information about it) she could have said Biden should have shut down all travel and we go into a 2 week "to slow the spread" lock down like the Dems complained we didn't do almost 2 years ago and used that excuse as to why it spread.  Supposedly 70+% of new cases are the new strain but we left travel open. ummm they complained about the spread and gave a way to "slow the spread" but they don't follow what they say. That's called being a hypocrite.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: VP HARRIS; " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make." What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."   AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS! She was answering a very specific question about if the proliferation of omicron was the fault of the unvaccinated. Obviously it isn't. What was she supposed to say?

     

    Well, considering this new strain came from overseas (like he original and when we had very little information about it) she could have said Biden should have shut down all travel and we go into a 2 week "to slow the spread" lock down like the Dems complained we didn't do almost 2 years ago and used that excuse as to why it spread.  Supposedly 70+% of new cases are the new strain but we left travel open. ummm they complained about the spread and gave a way to "slow the spread" but they don't follow what they say. That's called being a hypocrite.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Israel had zero deaths from covid yesterday. Pandemics end when people get vaccinated.

    Hmmm. I’m not so sure about that. 

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    Israel had zero deaths from covid yesterday. Pandemics end when people get vaccinated.

    Hmmm. I’m not so sure about that. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Vaccines are highly safe and effective but not 100% perfect.  0.003% of fully vaccinated people experience breakthrough infections, but they tend to have no or mild symptoms.  Despite high vaccine coverage, most covid deaths occur in senior population which is more vulnerable because of weaker immune system.  However vaccinated seniors are far less likely to die or be hospitalized than unvaccinated seniors.

    There have been 12,916 Covid hospitalizations of fully vaccinated people in New York that the NY Health Department is aware of. 

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    Vaccines are highly safe and effective but not 100% perfect.  0.003% of fully vaccinated people experience breakthrough infections, but they tend to have no or mild symptoms.  Despite high vaccine coverage, most covid deaths occur in senior population which is more vulnerable because of weaker immune system.  However vaccinated seniors are far less likely to die or be hospitalized than unvaccinated seniors.

    There have been 12,916 Covid hospitalizations of fully vaccinated people in New York that the NY Health Department is aware of. 

     
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    BOSTON -- The Massachusetts Department of Public Health reported an additional 13,717 confirmed COVID-19 cases on Monday, a report covering the previous three days.

    The state's seven-day positivity rate is 5.91%, more than triple the level reported on Nov. 1, when the positivity rate was 1.75%.

    State health officials said 448 of the patients currently in Massachusetts hospitals are COVID-19 breakthrough cases.

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    BOSTON -- The Massachusetts Department of Public Health reported an additional 13,717 confirmed COVID-19 cases on Monday, a report covering the previous three days.

    The state's seven-day positivity rate is 5.91%, more than triple the level reported on Nov. 1, when the positivity rate was 1.75%.

    State health officials said 448 of the patients currently in Massachusetts hospitals are COVID-19 breakthrough cases.

     
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    Why aren’t they shutting everything down? 

    Why are the teachers unions (Democrats) suddenly ok with working in this dangerous environment? 

    It’s almost as if Trump was right and they ruined the economy as a political strategy. 

    They wouldn’t intentionally harm poor people (disproportionately black) on purpose just to further their political agenda … or would they? 

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    Why aren’t they shutting everything down? 

    Why are the teachers unions (Democrats) suddenly ok with working in this dangerous environment? 

    It’s almost as if Trump was right and they ruined the economy as a political strategy. 

    They wouldn’t intentionally harm poor people (disproportionately black) on purpose just to further their political agenda … or would they? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: VP HARRIS; " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make." What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."   AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS! She was answering a very specific question about if the proliferation of omicron was the fault of the unvaccinated. Obviously it isn't. What was she supposed to say?   Well, considering this new strain came from overseas (like he original and when we had very little information about it) she could have said Biden should have shut down all travel and we go into a 2 week "to slow the spread" lock down like the Dems complained we didn't do almost 2 years ago and used that excuse as to why it spread.  Supposedly 70+% of new cases are the new strain but we left travel open. ummm they complained about the spread and gave a way to "slow the spread" but they don't follow what they say. That's called being a hypocrite.

    That's not what she was asked. She was specifically asked, "Are the unvaccinated to blame for the spread?" She answered, "No." If she said yes, you guys would be crying. She says no, you're still crying. I'm no fan of this administration, so this isn't defense. We just get so far off into the weeds in these threads, these debates sometimes. Sometimes we have to reign it in with a little. My bro Uni is one of the most reasonable people on this site, one of my favorite people on this site, and I have no beef with you either, so this isn't a shot at either of you. I just randomly happen to see a clip from the interview in question, only because the evening news was on in the background. She was asked a very baited question: Are the unvaccinated responsible for the spread? Obviously they aren't. She didn't take the bait and said no. She peppered it with some liberal rhetoric by saying something to the effect of, "...everyone taking personal responsibility..." which was her way of saying, "...maybe they're a little responsible." but ultimately she did the right thing and said, no, ee can't blame this on individuals and it's each individuals right to make their own decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: VP HARRIS; " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make." What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."   AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS! She was answering a very specific question about if the proliferation of omicron was the fault of the unvaccinated. Obviously it isn't. What was she supposed to say?   Well, considering this new strain came from overseas (like he original and when we had very little information about it) she could have said Biden should have shut down all travel and we go into a 2 week "to slow the spread" lock down like the Dems complained we didn't do almost 2 years ago and used that excuse as to why it spread.  Supposedly 70+% of new cases are the new strain but we left travel open. ummm they complained about the spread and gave a way to "slow the spread" but they don't follow what they say. That's called being a hypocrite.

    That's not what she was asked. She was specifically asked, "Are the unvaccinated to blame for the spread?" She answered, "No." If she said yes, you guys would be crying. She says no, you're still crying. I'm no fan of this administration, so this isn't defense. We just get so far off into the weeds in these threads, these debates sometimes. Sometimes we have to reign it in with a little. My bro Uni is one of the most reasonable people on this site, one of my favorite people on this site, and I have no beef with you either, so this isn't a shot at either of you. I just randomly happen to see a clip from the interview in question, only because the evening news was on in the background. She was asked a very baited question: Are the unvaccinated responsible for the spread? Obviously they aren't. She didn't take the bait and said no. She peppered it with some liberal rhetoric by saying something to the effect of, "...everyone taking personal responsibility..." which was her way of saying, "...maybe they're a little responsible." but ultimately she did the right thing and said, no, ee can't blame this on individuals and it's each individuals right to make their own decisions.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccination for everyone aged 5 years or older because benefits outweigh rare risks.  Far higher risk of myocarditis from covid infection than from vaccination.  For example, 86 kids diagnosed with myocarditis out of 65,000 kids with covid.  Myocardiitis cases are almost always mild and temporary.  Most patients recover with little or no treatment.  Generally, there is no lasting damage.   

    Fact checks by Reuters and Facebook found no evidence 13 year old kid died from heart attack due to vaccination.

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    Thanks for the facts again, Thirdperson!

     

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    American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccination for everyone aged 5 years or older because benefits outweigh rare risks.  Far higher risk of myocarditis from covid infection than from vaccination.  For example, 86 kids diagnosed with myocarditis out of 65,000 kids with covid.  Myocardiitis cases are almost always mild and temporary.  Most patients recover with little or no treatment.  Generally, there is no lasting damage.   

    Fact checks by Reuters and Facebook found no evidence 13 year old kid died from heart attack due to vaccination.

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    Thanks for the facts again, Thirdperson!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: VP HARRIS; " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make." What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."   AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS! She was answering a very specific question about if the proliferation of omicron was the fault of the unvaccinated. Obviously it isn't. What was she supposed to say?   Well, considering this new strain came from overseas (like he original and when we had very little information about it) she could have said Biden should have shut down all travel and we go into a 2 week "to slow the spread" lock down like the Dems complained we didn't do almost 2 years ago and used that excuse as to why it spread.  Supposedly 70+% of new cases are the new strain but we left travel open. ummm they complained about the spread and gave a way to "slow the spread" but they don't follow what they say. That's called being a hypocrite. That's not what she was asked. She was specifically asked, "Are the unvaccinated to blame for the spread?" She answered, "No." If she said yes, you guys would be crying. She says no, you're still crying. I'm no fan of this administration, so this isn't defense. We just get so far off into the weeds in these threads, these debates sometimes. Sometimes we have to reign it in with a little. My bro Uni is one of the most reasonable people on this site, one of my favorite people on this site, and I have no beef with you either, so this isn't a shot at either of you. I just randomly happen to see a clip from the interview in question, only because the evening news was on in the background. She was asked a very baited question: Are the unvaccinated responsible for the spread? Obviously they aren't. She didn't take the bait and said no. She peppered it with some liberal rhetoric by saying something to the effect of, "...everyone taking personal responsibility..." which was her way of saying, "...maybe they're a little responsible." but ultimately she did the right thing and said, no, ee can't blame this on individuals and it's each individuals right to make their own decisions.

    Yep, surprising she said that and it was the right thing to say.

    So many times these reporters (lefty or righties) ask the baited questions to stir the pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: VP HARRIS; " I don't think this is a moment to talk about fault," Harris said during an interview with CBS when pressed on the matter. "It is no one's fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. … It is more about individual power and responsibility and the decisions that everyone has the choice to make." What? When Trump was prez. it was ALL HIS FAULT, NOW, "I don't think this a moment to talk about fault."   AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS! She was answering a very specific question about if the proliferation of omicron was the fault of the unvaccinated. Obviously it isn't. What was she supposed to say?   Well, considering this new strain came from overseas (like he original and when we had very little information about it) she could have said Biden should have shut down all travel and we go into a 2 week "to slow the spread" lock down like the Dems complained we didn't do almost 2 years ago and used that excuse as to why it spread.  Supposedly 70+% of new cases are the new strain but we left travel open. ummm they complained about the spread and gave a way to "slow the spread" but they don't follow what they say. That's called being a hypocrite. That's not what she was asked. She was specifically asked, "Are the unvaccinated to blame for the spread?" She answered, "No." If she said yes, you guys would be crying. She says no, you're still crying. I'm no fan of this administration, so this isn't defense. We just get so far off into the weeds in these threads, these debates sometimes. Sometimes we have to reign it in with a little. My bro Uni is one of the most reasonable people on this site, one of my favorite people on this site, and I have no beef with you either, so this isn't a shot at either of you. I just randomly happen to see a clip from the interview in question, only because the evening news was on in the background. She was asked a very baited question: Are the unvaccinated responsible for the spread? Obviously they aren't. She didn't take the bait and said no. She peppered it with some liberal rhetoric by saying something to the effect of, "...everyone taking personal responsibility..." which was her way of saying, "...maybe they're a little responsible." but ultimately she did the right thing and said, no, ee can't blame this on individuals and it's each individuals right to make their own decisions.

    Yep, surprising she said that and it was the right thing to say.

    So many times these reporters (lefty or righties) ask the baited questions to stir the pot.

     
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    "Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines. "

    The CDC has a whole page discussing vaccines and myocarditis. Here's a quote from that page;

    "Seek medical care if you or your child have symptoms of these conditions after COVID-19 vaccination."

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    "Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines. "

    The CDC has a whole page discussing vaccines and myocarditis. Here's a quote from that page;

    "Seek medical care if you or your child have symptoms of these conditions after COVID-19 vaccination."

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    It is rare, no doubt, but it does happen. 

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    It is rare, no doubt, but it does happen. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

     

    Heard from Dr. Rochelle Walensky, CDC Director, unvaccinated persons are 20 times more likely to die from Covid-19 infection than persons who are vaccinated and boosted.

    Vaccines and boosters can protect people from severe illness from Omicron.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9v52SrEjng&ab_channel=CNBCTelevision

    By the way, the News source comes from CNBC, not some "fake news". 

    for now  this still holds to b  true   an_cheers

        but the very legitimate concern is this omicron and future mutations too will mutate so much that they vastly reduce the efficacy of the vaccine that was originally engineeredd for a virus 3 mutation-cycles ago

    health officials and media have a valid right to b very concerned for 2022

     

     

     

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    Heard from Dr. Rochelle Walensky, CDC Director, unvaccinated persons are 20 times more likely to die from Covid-19 infection than persons who are vaccinated and boosted.

    Vaccines and boosters can protect people from severe illness from Omicron.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9v52SrEjng&ab_channel=CNBCTelevision

    By the way, the News source comes from CNBC, not some "fake news". 

    for now  this still holds to b  true   an_cheers

        but the very legitimate concern is this omicron and future mutations too will mutate so much that they vastly reduce the efficacy of the vaccine that was originally engineeredd for a virus 3 mutation-cycles ago

    health officials and media have a valid right to b very concerned for 2022

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: But there are rare but dangerous exceptions. The CDC had previously said that reporting rates of myocarditis for boys aged 16 to 17 could be more than 69 cases per million second doses administered and around 40 cases per million second doses in boys aged 12-15 years old.  Why the HELL would I recommend they get two shots that could inflame their hearts? Heart muscle doesn't repair easily. A healthy 13 yr old died in June after getting second dose. What are long term effects from damaged hearts, RISK outweighs BENEFIT in this case. American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccination for everyone aged 5 years or older because benefits outweigh rare risks.  Far higher risk of myocarditis from covid infection than from vaccination.  For example, 86 kids diagnosed with myocarditis out of 65,000 kids with covid.  Myocardiitis cases are almost always mild and temporary.  Most patients recover with little or no treatment.  Generally, there is no lasting damage.    Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines.  Even without vaccine or covid, 132 out of 3.7 million kids naturally develop myocarditis according to Myocarditis foundation.  Fact checks by Reuters and Facebook found no evidence 13 year old kid died from heart attack due to vaccination.

    This kinda shit sets me off!

    KID???   JACOB CLYNICK, A HUMAN BEING WHO ONCE HAD A LIFE AHEAD OF HIM.

    FACEBOOK FACT CHECK??? 

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/

    Jacob was healthy, she said, and had no known underlying medical conditions. He was looking forward to starting classes in the fall as a freshman at Carrollton High School. 

    He complained of common post-vaccine symptoms, she said, in the two days between his immunization and death, which included fatigue and fever.

    The family was told that preliminary autopsy findings suggest Jacob's heart was enlarged when he died and there was fluid around his heart, Burages said.

    "It's still an ongoing investigation," he said, which could take three to five months to complete. "I know the doctors are working on this case as a priority."

    https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-cdc-investigating-michigan-boy-dies-2nd-pfizer-vaccine-20210705-k6gggiyjabfd5nl6vnvcnb5nvi-story.html

    SO THE CDC IS INVESTIGATING. IT HAS BEEN SIX MONTHS, NOTHING!!! SWEPTED UNDER THE RUG. YES WE CAN FIND NO EVIDENCE, EITHER WAY.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: But there are rare but dangerous exceptions. The CDC had previously said that reporting rates of myocarditis for boys aged 16 to 17 could be more than 69 cases per million second doses administered and around 40 cases per million second doses in boys aged 12-15 years old.  Why the HELL would I recommend they get two shots that could inflame their hearts? Heart muscle doesn't repair easily. A healthy 13 yr old died in June after getting second dose. What are long term effects from damaged hearts, RISK outweighs BENEFIT in this case. American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccination for everyone aged 5 years or older because benefits outweigh rare risks.  Far higher risk of myocarditis from covid infection than from vaccination.  For example, 86 kids diagnosed with myocarditis out of 65,000 kids with covid.  Myocardiitis cases are almost always mild and temporary.  Most patients recover with little or no treatment.  Generally, there is no lasting damage.    Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines.  Even without vaccine or covid, 132 out of 3.7 million kids naturally develop myocarditis according to Myocarditis foundation.  Fact checks by Reuters and Facebook found no evidence 13 year old kid died from heart attack due to vaccination.

    This kinda shit sets me off!

    KID???   JACOB CLYNICK, A HUMAN BEING WHO ONCE HAD A LIFE AHEAD OF HIM.

    FACEBOOK FACT CHECK??? 

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/

    Jacob was healthy, she said, and had no known underlying medical conditions. He was looking forward to starting classes in the fall as a freshman at Carrollton High School. 

    He complained of common post-vaccine symptoms, she said, in the two days between his immunization and death, which included fatigue and fever.

    The family was told that preliminary autopsy findings suggest Jacob's heart was enlarged when he died and there was fluid around his heart, Burages said.

    "It's still an ongoing investigation," he said, which could take three to five months to complete. "I know the doctors are working on this case as a priority."

    https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-cdc-investigating-michigan-boy-dies-2nd-pfizer-vaccine-20210705-k6gggiyjabfd5nl6vnvcnb5nvi-story.html

    SO THE CDC IS INVESTIGATING. IT HAS BEEN SIX MONTHS, NOTHING!!! SWEPTED UNDER THE RUG. YES WE CAN FIND NO EVIDENCE, EITHER WAY.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccination for everyone aged 5 years or older because benefits outweigh rare risks.  Far higher risk of myocarditis from covid infection than from vaccination.  For example, 86 kids diagnosed with myocarditis out of 65,000 kids with covid.  Myocardiitis cases are almost always mild and temporary.  Most patients recover with little or no treatment.  Generally, there is no lasting damage.    Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines.  Even without vaccine or covid, 132 out of 3.7 million kids naturally develop myocarditis according to Myocarditis foundation.  Fact checks by Reuters and Facebook found no evidence 13 year old kid died from heart attack due to vaccination.

     

    solid points    thumbs_up         as with practically everything there r always rare exceptions     but for the most part and by a wide margin this is all accurate

     

     

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    American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccination for everyone aged 5 years or older because benefits outweigh rare risks.  Far higher risk of myocarditis from covid infection than from vaccination.  For example, 86 kids diagnosed with myocarditis out of 65,000 kids with covid.  Myocardiitis cases are almost always mild and temporary.  Most patients recover with little or no treatment.  Generally, there is no lasting damage.    Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines.  Even without vaccine or covid, 132 out of 3.7 million kids naturally develop myocarditis according to Myocarditis foundation.  Fact checks by Reuters and Facebook found no evidence 13 year old kid died from heart attack due to vaccination.

     

    solid points    thumbs_up         as with practically everything there r always rare exceptions     but for the most part and by a wide margin this is all accurate

     

     

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccination for everyone aged 5 years or older because benefits outweigh rare risks.  Far higher risk of myocarditis from covid infection than from vaccination.  For example, 86 kids diagnosed with myocarditis out of 65,000 kids with covid.  Myocardiitis cases are almost always mild and temporary.  Most patients recover with little or no treatment.  Generally, there is no lasting damage.    Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines.  Even without vaccine or covid, 132 out of 3.7 million kids naturally develop myocarditis according to Myocarditis foundation.  Fact checks by Reuters and Facebook found no evidence 13 year old kid died from heart attack due to vaccination.

     

    solid points    thumbs_up         as with practically everything there r always rare exceptions     but for the most part and by a wide margin this is all accurate

     

     

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    American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccination for everyone aged 5 years or older because benefits outweigh rare risks.  Far higher risk of myocarditis from covid infection than from vaccination.  For example, 86 kids diagnosed with myocarditis out of 65,000 kids with covid.  Myocardiitis cases are almost always mild and temporary.  Most patients recover with little or no treatment.  Generally, there is no lasting damage.    Besides, Center for disease control didn't say there is a link between myocarditis and covid vaccines.  Even without vaccine or covid, 132 out of 3.7 million kids naturally develop myocarditis according to Myocarditis foundation.  Fact checks by Reuters and Facebook found no evidence 13 year old kid died from heart attack due to vaccination.

     

    solid points    thumbs_up         as with practically everything there r always rare exceptions     but for the most part and by a wide margin this is all accurate

     

     

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