Worldwide, scientific consensus accepts mask wearing in reducing the risk of infection. During the pandemic, evidences supporting masks have only become stronger. Similar to seat belts, masks don't have to be perfect to work. Remarkably, Japan covid death rate is so low despite having the oldest population in the world.
right u r thirdperson
thankfully nobody is dumb enuf to confuse masking during the far less infectious wuhan strain and even the delta strain compared with masking during the far more infectious omicron strain
masking during wuhan and delta worked and is supported by the data
but that all changed with omicron
of course there was no way to know this beforehand or in the early stages of omicron . naturally it takes several weeks to months to attain enuf statistically significant evidence to ascertain one way or another
i think most intelligent people understand that
mostly
thxs for the facts thirdperson !
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Worldwide, scientific consensus accepts mask wearing in reducing the risk of infection. During the pandemic, evidences supporting masks have only become stronger. Similar to seat belts, masks don't have to be perfect to work. Remarkably, Japan covid death rate is so low despite having the oldest population in the world.
right u r thirdperson
thankfully nobody is dumb enuf to confuse masking during the far less infectious wuhan strain and even the delta strain compared with masking during the far more infectious omicron strain
masking during wuhan and delta worked and is supported by the data
but that all changed with omicron
of course there was no way to know this beforehand or in the early stages of omicron . naturally it takes several weeks to months to attain enuf statistically significant evidence to ascertain one way or another
One would think most intelligent people would realize that masks are not working now and one of the highest vaccinated countries like Portugal has had an 7- day avg equivalent to 1.8 million US cases indicating vaccine not stopping spread anymore. Kelly, glad we can agree masks do not work vs Omicron!!
An intelligent person would conclude mandates are no longer reasonable, yet Canada doesn't seem to be listening as are a few US states. Seems truck drivers more intelligent than government leaders.
Guess intelligent leaders are a rare commodity!!
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One would think most intelligent people would realize that masks are not working now and one of the highest vaccinated countries like Portugal has had an 7- day avg equivalent to 1.8 million US cases indicating vaccine not stopping spread anymore. Kelly, glad we can agree masks do not work vs Omicron!!
An intelligent person would conclude mandates are no longer reasonable, yet Canada doesn't seem to be listening as are a few US states. Seems truck drivers more intelligent than government leaders.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Worldwide, scientific consensus accepts mask wearing in reducing the risk of infection. During the pandemic, evidences supporting masks have only become stronger. Similar to seat belts, masks don't have to be perfect to work. Remarkably, Japan covid death rate is so low despite having the oldest population in the world. right u r thirdperson thankfully nobody is dumb enuf to confuse masking during the far less infectious wuhan strain and even the delta strain compared with masking during the far more infectious omicron strain masking during wuhan and delta worked and is supported by the data but that all changed with omicron of course there was no way to know this beforehand or in the early stages of omicron . naturally it takes several weeks to months to attain enuf statistically significant evidence to ascertain one way or another i think most intelligent people understand that mostly thxs for the facts thirdperson !
Excellent points, Kelly. Mind you current data is a bit confusing because there is NO DATA that tells us how efffective masking is against omicron -- only anecdotal evidence -- not direct evidence. Or in other words, WITHOUT MASKING, **maybe** hospitalizations and deaths would be EVEN WORSE than they are now! They might still work reasonably well!! This isn't a thing that is quantifiable. Furthermore, Kelly, as we both know, and I assume the other non-trump-lovers as well, "mask mandates" anywhere DO NOT MEAN THERE IS 100% compliance! Empiricly, from what we know of republicans in general, mask mandates likely mean NON-compliance defiance! Thus keeping the omicron spreading far more than it should -- DESPITE any mask mandates that may be in place.
However, that said, it looks now like we are on the backside of covid (hopefully!) and as Dr. Fauci and other health officials have maintained all along, they are only too happy to offer guidance suggesting the lifting of restricitions and any mandates (even though many are NOT followed) It isn't behind us yet but the light at the end of our tunnel is no longer an oncoming train... We *ALL* want this to be over....
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Worldwide, scientific consensus accepts mask wearing in reducing the risk of infection. During the pandemic, evidences supporting masks have only become stronger. Similar to seat belts, masks don't have to be perfect to work. Remarkably, Japan covid death rate is so low despite having the oldest population in the world. right u r thirdperson thankfully nobody is dumb enuf to confuse masking during the far less infectious wuhan strain and even the delta strain compared with masking during the far more infectious omicron strain masking during wuhan and delta worked and is supported by the data but that all changed with omicron of course there was no way to know this beforehand or in the early stages of omicron . naturally it takes several weeks to months to attain enuf statistically significant evidence to ascertain one way or another i think most intelligent people understand that mostly thxs for the facts thirdperson !
Excellent points, Kelly. Mind you current data is a bit confusing because there is NO DATA that tells us how efffective masking is against omicron -- only anecdotal evidence -- not direct evidence. Or in other words, WITHOUT MASKING, **maybe** hospitalizations and deaths would be EVEN WORSE than they are now! They might still work reasonably well!! This isn't a thing that is quantifiable. Furthermore, Kelly, as we both know, and I assume the other non-trump-lovers as well, "mask mandates" anywhere DO NOT MEAN THERE IS 100% compliance! Empiricly, from what we know of republicans in general, mask mandates likely mean NON-compliance defiance! Thus keeping the omicron spreading far more than it should -- DESPITE any mask mandates that may be in place.
However, that said, it looks now like we are on the backside of covid (hopefully!) and as Dr. Fauci and other health officials have maintained all along, they are only too happy to offer guidance suggesting the lifting of restricitions and any mandates (even though many are NOT followed) It isn't behind us yet but the light at the end of our tunnel is no longer an oncoming train... We *ALL* want this to be over....
Excellent points, Kelly. Mind you current data is a bit confusing because there is NO DATA that tells us how efffective masking is against omicron -- only anecdotal evidence -- not direct evidence. Or in other words, WITHOUT MASKING, **maybe** hospitalizations and deaths would be EVEN WORSE than they are now! They might still work reasonably well!! This isn't a thing that is quantifiable. Furthermore, Kelly, as we both know, and I assume the other non-trump-lovers as well, "mask mandates" anywhere DO NOT MEAN THERE IS 100% compliance! Empiricly, from what we know of republicans in general, mask mandates likely mean NON-compliance defiance! Thus keeping the omicron spreading far more than it should -- DESPITE any mask mandates that may be in place.
However, that said, it looks now like we are on the backside of covid (hopefully!) and as Dr. Fauci and other health officials have maintained all along, they are only too happy to offer guidance suggesting the lifting of restricitions and any mandates (even though many are NOT followed) It isn't behind us yet but the light at the end of our tunnel is no longer an oncoming train... We *ALL* want this to be over....
ya good stuff i was more or less thinking along those same lines
masking does work as we know from very strong supportive data in countries with very high compliance by the public ----- including during omicron . but that is always the key factor :: not the mandate , but the actual universal complaince along with some increased level of social distancing ! but compliance is the main deal and the fact that there is a mandate is meaningless without full compliance . from what ive seen thus far the vast majority of liberals and independents r in compliance
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Excellent points, Kelly. Mind you current data is a bit confusing because there is NO DATA that tells us how efffective masking is against omicron -- only anecdotal evidence -- not direct evidence. Or in other words, WITHOUT MASKING, **maybe** hospitalizations and deaths would be EVEN WORSE than they are now! They might still work reasonably well!! This isn't a thing that is quantifiable. Furthermore, Kelly, as we both know, and I assume the other non-trump-lovers as well, "mask mandates" anywhere DO NOT MEAN THERE IS 100% compliance! Empiricly, from what we know of republicans in general, mask mandates likely mean NON-compliance defiance! Thus keeping the omicron spreading far more than it should -- DESPITE any mask mandates that may be in place.
However, that said, it looks now like we are on the backside of covid (hopefully!) and as Dr. Fauci and other health officials have maintained all along, they are only too happy to offer guidance suggesting the lifting of restricitions and any mandates (even though many are NOT followed) It isn't behind us yet but the light at the end of our tunnel is no longer an oncoming train... We *ALL* want this to be over....
ya good stuff i was more or less thinking along those same lines
masking does work as we know from very strong supportive data in countries with very high compliance by the public ----- including during omicron . but that is always the key factor :: not the mandate , but the actual universal complaince along with some increased level of social distancing ! but compliance is the main deal and the fact that there is a mandate is meaningless without full compliance . from what ive seen thus far the vast majority of liberals and independents r in compliance
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Worldwide, scientific consensus accepts mask wearing in reducing the risk of infection. During the pandemic, evidences supporting masks have only become stronger. Similar to seat belts, masks don't have to be perfect to work. Remarkably, Japan covid death rate is so low despite having the oldest population in the world. right u r thirdperson thankfully nobody is dumb enuf to confuse masking during the far less infectious wuhan strain and even the delta strain compared with masking during the far more infectious omicron strain masking during wuhan and delta worked and is supported by the data but that all changed with omicron of course there was no way to know this beforehand or in the early stages of omicron . naturally it takes several weeks to months to attain enuf statistically significant evidence to ascertain one way or another i think most intelligent people understand that mostly thxs for the facts thirdperson ! Excellent points, Kelly. Mind you current data is a bit confusing because there is NO DATA that tells us how efffective masking is against omicron -- only anecdotal evidence -- not direct evidence. Or in other words, WITHOUT MASKING, **maybe** hospitalizations and deaths would be EVEN WORSE than they are now! They might still work reasonably well!! This isn't a thing that is quantifiable. Furthermore, Kelly, as we both know, and I assume the other non-trump-lovers as well, "mask mandates" anywhere DO NOT MEAN THERE IS 100% compliance! Empiricly, from what we know of republicans in general, mask mandates likely mean NON-compliance defiance! Thus keeping the omicron spreading far more than it should -- DESPITE any mask mandates that may be in place. However, that said, it looks now like we are on the backside of covid (hopefully!) and as Dr. Fauci and other health officials have maintained all along, they are only too happy to offer guidance suggesting the lifting of restricitions and any mandates (even though many are NOT followed) It isn't behind us yet but the light at the end of our tunnel is no longer an oncoming train... We *ALL* want this to be over....
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Worldwide, scientific consensus accepts mask wearing in reducing the risk of infection. During the pandemic, evidences supporting masks have only become stronger. Similar to seat belts, masks don't have to be perfect to work. Remarkably, Japan covid death rate is so low despite having the oldest population in the world. right u r thirdperson thankfully nobody is dumb enuf to confuse masking during the far less infectious wuhan strain and even the delta strain compared with masking during the far more infectious omicron strain masking during wuhan and delta worked and is supported by the data but that all changed with omicron of course there was no way to know this beforehand or in the early stages of omicron . naturally it takes several weeks to months to attain enuf statistically significant evidence to ascertain one way or another i think most intelligent people understand that mostly thxs for the facts thirdperson ! Excellent points, Kelly. Mind you current data is a bit confusing because there is NO DATA that tells us how efffective masking is against omicron -- only anecdotal evidence -- not direct evidence. Or in other words, WITHOUT MASKING, **maybe** hospitalizations and deaths would be EVEN WORSE than they are now! They might still work reasonably well!! This isn't a thing that is quantifiable. Furthermore, Kelly, as we both know, and I assume the other non-trump-lovers as well, "mask mandates" anywhere DO NOT MEAN THERE IS 100% compliance! Empiricly, from what we know of republicans in general, mask mandates likely mean NON-compliance defiance! Thus keeping the omicron spreading far more than it should -- DESPITE any mask mandates that may be in place. However, that said, it looks now like we are on the backside of covid (hopefully!) and as Dr. Fauci and other health officials have maintained all along, they are only too happy to offer guidance suggesting the lifting of restricitions and any mandates (even though many are NOT followed) It isn't behind us yet but the light at the end of our tunnel is no longer an oncoming train... We *ALL* want this to be over....
Minnesota weekly report shows 80 more vaccinated covid deaths. 347,000 vaccinated in Minnesota have had covid and 1601 have died. That is 1 death for every 217 cases for the vaccinated. Overall, since June 1st, 2021 Minnesota averaged 1 death for every 177 cases.
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Minnesota weekly report shows 80 more vaccinated covid deaths. 347,000 vaccinated in Minnesota have had covid and 1601 have died. That is 1 death for every 217 cases for the vaccinated. Overall, since June 1st, 2021 Minnesota averaged 1 death for every 177 cases.
According to Minnesota health department, unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to be hospitalized with covid and 20 times more likely to die than the fully vaccinated. As more people become vaccinated, it is natural to see more cases of vaccine breakthroughs. But vaccine breakthrough isn't the same as disease breakthrough Vaccines are effective in preventing severe illness. So vaccine breakthrough isn't a measure of efficacy.
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According to Minnesota health department, unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to be hospitalized with covid and 20 times more likely to die than the fully vaccinated. As more people become vaccinated, it is natural to see more cases of vaccine breakthroughs. But vaccine breakthrough isn't the same as disease breakthrough Vaccines are effective in preventing severe illness. So vaccine breakthrough isn't a measure of efficacy.
The Mask. The link below is a presentation/documentary on the mask. This presentation will give you the truth regarding the effectiveness of the mask. Well worth watching. You will want to throw gasoline on all of your remaining masks after watching the video. Enjoy the show. Caution. It is slow paced. This is not Jason Bourne.
The Mask. The link below is a presentation/documentary on the mask. This presentation will give you the truth regarding the effectiveness of the mask. Well worth watching. You will want to throw gasoline on all of your remaining masks after watching the video. Enjoy the show. Caution. It is slow paced. This is not Jason Bourne.
According to Minnesota health department, unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to be hospitalized with covid and 20 times more likely to die than the fully vaccinated. As more people become vaccinated, it is natural to see more cases of vaccine breakthroughs. But vaccine breakthrough isn't the same as disease breakthrough Vaccines are effective in preventing severe illness. So vaccine breakthrough isn't a measure of efficacy.
Since THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC Minnesota has has 11, 957 deaths, 5,463 deaths in the first year ending December 31st, 2020. That leaves 6494 since Jan 1, 2021. Of that 6494 there are 1601 recorded Minnesota vaccinated deaths. https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html
Minnesota was 20% fully vaxed on April 1, 2021, 50% vaccinated on June 19, 2021, 67.7% fully vaccinated now.
Yet, 1601/6494 = 24.65% of deaths since last January 1st are the vaccinated!!! One in every four!!! LOOK IT UP.
20 TIMES MORE LIKELY INDEED!! THOSE ARE ONLY WORDS, ABOVE IS THE DATA.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
According to Minnesota health department, unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to be hospitalized with covid and 20 times more likely to die than the fully vaccinated. As more people become vaccinated, it is natural to see more cases of vaccine breakthroughs. But vaccine breakthrough isn't the same as disease breakthrough Vaccines are effective in preventing severe illness. So vaccine breakthrough isn't a measure of efficacy.
Since THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC Minnesota has has 11, 957 deaths, 5,463 deaths in the first year ending December 31st, 2020. That leaves 6494 since Jan 1, 2021. Of that 6494 there are 1601 recorded Minnesota vaccinated deaths. https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html
Minnesota was 20% fully vaxed on April 1, 2021, 50% vaccinated on June 19, 2021, 67.7% fully vaccinated now.
Yet, 1601/6494 = 24.65% of deaths since last January 1st are the vaccinated!!! One in every four!!! LOOK IT UP.
20 TIMES MORE LIKELY INDEED!! THOSE ARE ONLY WORDS, ABOVE IS THE DATA.
Downloaded the Minnesota excel file. Data from 5/2/21 to the week of 1/9/22.
From 5/2/21 to week of 1/9/22; 1467 vaccinated covid deaths and 2433 unvaccinated deaths. Overall 37.6% of deaths were the vaccinated.
Then I looked at cases, hospitalizations, and deaths from first week of December to week of January 9th.
Cases-- vaccinated 151,995, unvaccinated 110,011. 58% of cases were vaccinated.
Hospitalizations-- vaccinated 2452, unvaccinated 4362. 36% of those hospitalized. The vaccinated who had covid had an 1.6% chance being hospitalized. The unvaccinated an 3.96% chance. The vaccinated who were hospitalized had an 14.6% chance of dying. The hospitalized unvaccinated had an 14.9% chance of dying.
If your really interested I recommend you download the file. Then after reviewing the data look at their death graph that says " age adjusted" and wonder how it could ever match this data. Very nice piece of manipulation of data. Not too many like me who actually have the interest and the time to review this data.
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Downloaded the Minnesota excel file. Data from 5/2/21 to the week of 1/9/22.
From 5/2/21 to week of 1/9/22; 1467 vaccinated covid deaths and 2433 unvaccinated deaths. Overall 37.6% of deaths were the vaccinated.
Then I looked at cases, hospitalizations, and deaths from first week of December to week of January 9th.
Cases-- vaccinated 151,995, unvaccinated 110,011. 58% of cases were vaccinated.
Hospitalizations-- vaccinated 2452, unvaccinated 4362. 36% of those hospitalized. The vaccinated who had covid had an 1.6% chance being hospitalized. The unvaccinated an 3.96% chance. The vaccinated who were hospitalized had an 14.6% chance of dying. The hospitalized unvaccinated had an 14.9% chance of dying.
If your really interested I recommend you download the file. Then after reviewing the data look at their death graph that says " age adjusted" and wonder how it could ever match this data. Very nice piece of manipulation of data. Not too many like me who actually have the interest and the time to review this data.
No one should get a vaccination especially in Minnesota because they may die as a result.
Raw numbers may be misleading by failing to adjust for difference in size of vaccinated and unvaccinated population. That is why health departments calculate rates per 100,000 population as a common denominator so that direct comparisons can be made. For example, unvaccinated has death rate of 3 per 100,000 while fully vaccinated has death rate of 0.22 per 100,000. This means the unvaccinated is 13 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated. Recent Center for disease control study found unvaccinated people are 97 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated and boosted.
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
No one should get a vaccination especially in Minnesota because they may die as a result.
Raw numbers may be misleading by failing to adjust for difference in size of vaccinated and unvaccinated population. That is why health departments calculate rates per 100,000 population as a common denominator so that direct comparisons can be made. For example, unvaccinated has death rate of 3 per 100,000 while fully vaccinated has death rate of 0.22 per 100,000. This means the unvaccinated is 13 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated. Recent Center for disease control study found unvaccinated people are 97 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated and boosted.
I took the vaccinated population from the 20th of the previous month as it takes at a few weeks to die from covid after catching it. Retrieved the population vaccinated from Our World in Data. Subtracted from overall population of 5,639,632 to get unvaccinated population, did this on a month by month basis.
From May 2nd to week of Jan 9th an average of 5.03 per 100,000 vaccinated died,11.43 per 100,000 for the unvaccinated.
By month;
Vaxed. Unvaxed
May. 1.51. 2.91
June. 0.29. 0.50
July. 0.71. 1.64
August. 4.14. 7.65
Sept. 6.23. 11.57
Oct. 11.21. 19.77
Nov. 11.22. 27.76
Dec. 5.49. 22.76
Jan-9th. 4.53. 8.30
So yes the vaxed faired better of course, but nothing remotely close to claims of 20 times greater.
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So let's adjust for % vaccinated.
I took the vaccinated population from the 20th of the previous month as it takes at a few weeks to die from covid after catching it. Retrieved the population vaccinated from Our World in Data. Subtracted from overall population of 5,639,632 to get unvaccinated population, did this on a month by month basis.
From May 2nd to week of Jan 9th an average of 5.03 per 100,000 vaccinated died,11.43 per 100,000 for the unvaccinated.
By month;
Vaxed. Unvaxed
May. 1.51. 2.91
June. 0.29. 0.50
July. 0.71. 1.64
August. 4.14. 7.65
Sept. 6.23. 11.57
Oct. 11.21. 19.77
Nov. 11.22. 27.76
Dec. 5.49. 22.76
Jan-9th. 4.53. 8.30
So yes the vaxed faired better of course, but nothing remotely close to claims of 20 times greater.
Iceland data shows just how much Omicron has changed the covid landscape. They have five listed groups; vaccinated children, unvaccinated children, vaccinated adults, unvaccinated adults, adults with boosters. Each group with 14- day incidence cases per 100,000.
As of December 15th unvaccinated children led the way followed by unvaccinated adults, vaccinated adults, vaccinated children and last the adults boostered.
As of February 7th cases have skyrocketed. Vaccinated children lead the way followed by unvaxed children, then vaccinated adults and below them unvaccinated adults, and last the boostered.
On February 3rd there were just as many boostered per 100,000 hospitalized as unvaccinated adults. Currently 54 unvaxed and 41 boostered hospitalized.
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Iceland data shows just how much Omicron has changed the covid landscape. They have five listed groups; vaccinated children, unvaccinated children, vaccinated adults, unvaccinated adults, adults with boosters. Each group with 14- day incidence cases per 100,000.
As of December 15th unvaccinated children led the way followed by unvaccinated adults, vaccinated adults, vaccinated children and last the adults boostered.
As of February 7th cases have skyrocketed. Vaccinated children lead the way followed by unvaxed children, then vaccinated adults and below them unvaccinated adults, and last the boostered.
On February 3rd there were just as many boostered per 100,000 hospitalized as unvaccinated adults. Currently 54 unvaxed and 41 boostered hospitalized.
Raw numbers may be misleading by failing to adjust for difference in size of vaccinated and unvaccinated population. That is why health departments calculate rates per 100,000 population as a common denominator so that direct comparisons can be made. For example, unvaccinated has death rate of 3 per 100,000 while fully vaccinated has death rate of 0.22 per 100,000. This means the unvaccinated is 13 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated. Recent Center for disease control study found unvaccinated people are 97 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated and boosted.
excellent points thirdperson
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Raw numbers may be misleading by failing to adjust for difference in size of vaccinated and unvaccinated population. That is why health departments calculate rates per 100,000 population as a common denominator so that direct comparisons can be made. For example, unvaccinated has death rate of 3 per 100,000 while fully vaccinated has death rate of 0.22 per 100,000. This means the unvaccinated is 13 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated. Recent Center for disease control study found unvaccinated people are 97 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated and boosted.
The State of Washington took a look at breakthrough cases from January 17th, 2021, when only 45,000 were vaxed until January 29, 2022, when 69.9% were vaxed. Washington reached 50% in mid June.
Obviously went back to Jan, 2021 to bolster the numbers.
There were 326,338 recorded breakthrough cases. That was 32.6% of cases during that time frame. Would imagine much higher now.
There were 1394 deaths for the vaccinated during that time frame. One out of every 5 deaths were the vaccinated. Again, it will be much higher now, the breakthroughs and deaths didn't really begin until Delta arrived mid year.
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The State of Washington took a look at breakthrough cases from January 17th, 2021, when only 45,000 were vaxed until January 29, 2022, when 69.9% were vaxed. Washington reached 50% in mid June.
Obviously went back to Jan, 2021 to bolster the numbers.
There were 326,338 recorded breakthrough cases. That was 32.6% of cases during that time frame. Would imagine much higher now.
There were 1394 deaths for the vaccinated during that time frame. One out of every 5 deaths were the vaccinated. Again, it will be much higher now, the breakthroughs and deaths didn't really begin until Delta arrived mid year.
In warning to U.S., COVID rates soar after Denmark lifts all restrictions
Topol’s argument was clear: By ending mitigation measures prematurely, Denmark has brought a resurgence of infection, hospitalization and death upon itself — and anyone who follows in the country’s footsteps risks doing the same.
The truth; Denmark's case rate has been steadly rising since December and was at 7-day avg. of 40,768 cases per day on February 1st when mandates were lifted. They dipped a little, rose a little, and again are dipping, currently at 42,071.
Denmark's death rate has been steady increasing since November 1st, now at a high of 30 days a day.
The fact they didn't wait til cases were dropping give MSM the chance to pounce and spew out misinformation.
Denmark's cases will continue to drop but the fear mongering damage is done!
I will come back in two weeks to update Denmark's covid cases, let's see what I get.
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Right now on Yahoo News;
In warning to U.S., COVID rates soar after Denmark lifts all restrictions
Topol’s argument was clear: By ending mitigation measures prematurely, Denmark has brought a resurgence of infection, hospitalization and death upon itself — and anyone who follows in the country’s footsteps risks doing the same.
The truth; Denmark's case rate has been steadly rising since December and was at 7-day avg. of 40,768 cases per day on February 1st when mandates were lifted. They dipped a little, rose a little, and again are dipping, currently at 42,071.
Denmark's death rate has been steady increasing since November 1st, now at a high of 30 days a day.
The fact they didn't wait til cases were dropping give MSM the chance to pounce and spew out misinformation.
Denmark's cases will continue to drop but the fear mongering damage is done!
I will come back in two weeks to update Denmark's covid cases, let's see what I get.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Raw numbers may be misleading by failing to adjust for difference in size of vaccinated and unvaccinated population. That is why health departments calculate rates per 100,000 population as a common denominator so that direct comparisons can be made. For example, unvaccinated has death rate of 3 per 100,000 while fully vaccinated has death rate of 0.22 per 100,000. This means the unvaccinated is 13 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated. Recent Center for disease control study found unvaccinated people are 97 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated and boosted. excellent points thirdperson
No matter how it's sliced the unvaccinated are driving the negative numbers
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Raw numbers may be misleading by failing to adjust for difference in size of vaccinated and unvaccinated population. That is why health departments calculate rates per 100,000 population as a common denominator so that direct comparisons can be made. For example, unvaccinated has death rate of 3 per 100,000 while fully vaccinated has death rate of 0.22 per 100,000. This means the unvaccinated is 13 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated. Recent Center for disease control study found unvaccinated people are 97 times more likely to die from covid than the fully vaccinated and boosted. excellent points thirdperson
No matter how it's sliced the unvaccinated are driving the negative numbers
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