Covid-19 Good And Bad

(pasting sundances favorite quote from his cult leader )

"When we came up with these INCREDIBLE VACCINES —
3 of them! — and therapeutics, we did a tremendous job,
and we should NEVER disparage them!" Trump stated.
"We should be really happy about it because we’ve
all saved millions and millions of lives all over the world."

- donnie chump, on FOX News

The lies of the vaccine are coming out in warp speed. Amazing to me how many American's fell for the psyop perpetrated by the powers that be. Do it for your Mom! Do it for your Dad! Do it for your kids! Do it for your friends! Do it for your grandparents! An estimated 220M American's weakened by the psyop allowed the poison of Fauci to enter their body! Is Fauci and Birx in handcuffs?

Trump even whines still to this day that he doesn't get enough credit for the life-saving vaccines.

But Biden publicly acknowledged his role in the development that has saved millions.

MSNBC reveals that only Florida surgeon general recommends males between 18 and 39 avoid covid vaccines.  Contrary to guidelines of Food drug administration and Center for disease control.  Previously, controversial doctor Ladapo works at UCLA university.  His former supervisor advises against hiring him because he relies on opinion instead of scientific evidence.  Ex-colleagues believe Ladapo violates Hippocratic oath to behave ethically.  In Florida, bad science is weaponized to spread anti-vaccine disinformation as government policy.

Vaccine worked great until the first variant came along.

Myocarditis also a problem quickly buried.

Trump would have NEVER forced people to get the vaccine or be fired.  

And when that first variant, Delta, came along the UK warned the world on July 19th, 2021 that the vaccine was no longer as effective as 40% of their hospitalizations were the vaccinated when just over 50% of their population was vaxed. Joe Biden responded two days later lying to the American People that the vaccine would prevent you from dying from COVID, prevent you from COVID hospitalization, hell you won't even get COVID. In Minnesota alone 1,879 vaccinated residents died of COVID between May, 2021 to April, 2022. Extrapolate that to the country's population and at least 110,000 vaccinated people died from COVID in the U.S. Wonder how many thought they were immune after hearing Biden lie?

The British Parliament recently asked Phizer rep whether there were ANY studies performed to see if the vaccine prevented transmission of COVID. There were NO SUCH STUDIES. So the CDC and Biden admin said get vaccinated so grandma won't die when in fact you could probably transmit COVID as a vaccinated asymptomatic carrier. Wonder how many vulnerable died this way? Vaccinated relatives hugging and kissing grandma, "No worries grandma, I'm fully vaccinated!!! Hmmm, probably how Colin Powel died I would guess. 

And all the people fired from their jobs, prevented to enter restaurants, and those required to show proof of negative covid test to enter large events while vaccinated allowed right in.

Amazing stupidity.

Interesting that elected Florida officials and others in official capacities that support the Florida republican administration adopt contrarian practices.

@UNIMAN

 You seem to have forgotten that hundreds of thousands died before the vaccine became readily available.

To say the POS wouldn't have forced anyone to get the vaccine or be fired for not getting the shot is asinine. He spent more time denying Covid existed than resolving the logistical issues in keeping Americans safe & that is the #1 responsibility of any presidency. Sure mistakes were made by most involved but the world didn't end did it?

It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.

Geshhhhh!

Anti-vaxxers forget that there would have been far more covid deaths, hospitalizations and lockdowns if not for vaccines and public health measures.  Imperial college London estimates vaccines cut potential global death toll by more than half in 2021 even against virus variants.    However millions more deaths could have been prevented by more vaccination.  Pandemic confirms strong measures are essential for public health.  Benefits outweigh risks.  Polls show most people support vaccine mandates and passports which are last resorts after voluntary vaccination of population.  Most experts think doctor Fauci  did as good a job as anyone could in managing an once in a lifetime pandemic.

thirdperson forgets that there would have far more people not taking the jab if not for being lied to by politicians, pfizer execs, media and their gen pop brethren.  Imperial college of iamfullofshit estimates vaccines cut potential death toll by more than half in 2021, even against variants.  However, millions of people could have saved themselves the trouble and let their natural immune systems work against the virus, versus taking an experimental vaccine that was "developed with the speed of science", whose own makers (pfizer) have admitted no such tests were done on the transmissibility amongst humans. Pandemic strong measures are essential for public health, unfortunate that in this instance, measures were too strong for the reality of the pandemic.  For a large part of the population, those under the age of 40 and without any major comorbidities, the risks of the jab outweighed the benefits.  Polls show most people are sheep and only follow what the mainstream news tells them to do because they are brainless, unable to do any critical thinking and unable to process common sense.  Real polls though, those done by human beings and not bot armies, show most people do not support mandates and passports; instead supporting a person's individual situation and their personal choice to do what they seem fit for themselves, jab or no jab.  Most experts believe Fauci is just another non-elected bureaucrat pos who deserves zero respect.   

no, that is correct, the world did not end under the big bad orange man.  

But it is now looking more than ever in our lifetimes, since the 60's, that our leaders are leading us to that outcome.  

Correct as usual, Thirdperson! 

Correct as usual, Thirdperson! 

Anti-vaxxers have misrepresented the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.  First, they suggest the healthcare establishment has given bad advice.  But good science evolves as new evidences are discovered when the virus keeps changing.  Secondly, vaccination is safer and more reliable than natural infection in quickly immunizing a large population without risking more hospitalizations.  Third, clinical trials for initial virus did confirm strong protection against infection.  Not a problem that current vaccine boosters don't need tests on transmissibility.  Historically, most vaccines don't completely prevent infection.  Most important is prevention of severe illness.  Although vaccinated people can still be infected, studies shows they are less likely to be infected and to infect others.  Fourth, vaccine adverse effects are very rare.  In conrast, covid has been the third leading cause of death in the US.  Vaccination of population allows for safe reopening of economy.

[Quote: Originally Posted by fubah2]Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Anti-vaxxers forget that there would have been far more covid deaths, hospitalizations and lockdowns if not for vaccines and public health measures.  Imperial college London estimates vaccines cut potential global death toll by more than half in 2021 even against virus variants.    However millions more deaths could have been prevented by more vaccination.  Pandemic confirms strong measures are essential for public health.  Benefits outweigh risks.  Polls show most people support vaccine mandates and passports which are last resorts after voluntary vaccination of population.  Most experts think doctor Fauci  did as good a job as anyone could in managing an once in a lifetime pandemic.     Correct as usual, Thirdperson![/Quote]

JUST LIKE THE PURDUE STUDY.

I'll second that

Well presented and factual. 

Of course, this means you will be attacked again for presenting the facts

No I haven't forgotten the great vaccine Trump so wisely pushed for while democrats swore before the election they won't take it. The TRUTH is; It WAS hurried, trials were minimal, the elderly were by far the most vulnerable, vaccinated spreading covid asymptomatically never studied yet assumed not to happen, states with mask mandates had same or higher frequencies of higher positives based on population, silencing of critics most disturbing in what is supposed to be a free country. The CDC was not prepared, botched attempts at creating an accurate test for covid that wasted valuable time. China lied when early on they said it was not airborne when all known evidence said it was. 

The vaccine was highly effective on the original covid, glad most of the vulnerable got it,  UK showed it was not as effective for Delta, Biden purposely "shouted" that down making false, deadly statements to the American People. Pandemic of the unvaccinated will be remembered as a grievous lie. 

Fact is, as fast as we make a vaccine for a virus that can jump species, that virus can mutate to avoid the vaccine. 

I am not one to say the vaccine is deadly, took the J&J in Sept. 2021 before traveling. There have been deaths obviously associated with the vaccine and just as obvious is the attempt to dismiss the deaths. To get vaccinated is a personal choice, and yes as a right leaning person I believe "early" (15 weeks is plenty of time in most cases) abortion is a woman's right too.

Believe I have had Covid twice, once confirmed, the other not. Over 60 years old, my entire living family has had it, most unvaccinated, were all still here. 

One   more   thing.

So obvious the pandemic and vaccination program was used as a political weapon.

Why else would this thread be here in the political section? 

Such a shame.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 raise your hand if you think hiding under your bed will save you from nuclear war 

 raise your hand if you think defending the political scumbags in Ukraine is worth the use of nuclear weapons 

 raise your hand if you are a neocon warmongering wannabe 

whoopseedaisy..... theres that double post algorithm bot action again from a certain John Wayne the racists avatar account.... whoooopsseeedo don't know how that happens repeatedly all the time to cover up a dissident post. 

Boston University has re-engineered COVID and made a new strain 80% lethal. Isn't that great! 

Stephen King's The Stand comes to mind.

@UNIMAN

 When are you going to learn that everything is political?

Contrary to conspiracy theories, Boston herald reports that the research is not gain of function research to make a more deadly virus.  In fact, Boston university say the new virus is less deadly.  100% of mice died when infected with original covid.  Ultimately, this research may find better treatments to help fight future pandemics.  US intelligence found that covid is likely not a biological weapon.

Using the term "conspiracy theories" in this case is misinformation and an attempt delegitimize the story. And although they claim Not Gain of Function they took the Omicron strain and made it deadly to mice when before it was not. They added a different spike protein to it to purposely alter it and THEN see what it does. This story made headlines around the world, not some crackpot podcast.

www.boston.com; https://www.boston.com/news/health/2022/10/17/boston-university-researchers-hybrid-covid-virus-friction-government/

The new, fused virus was then compared to naturally-occurring omicron virus samples. This was done to determine whether the mutations in the omicron spike protein were what caused omicron’s lower levels of severity and increased ability to evade immunity. 

However, the hybrid virus created by BU’s researchers still killed 80% of the lab mice infected with it, making it more deadly than the natural omicron variants. It is crucial to note that the original virus killed 100% of the lab mice exposed to it. 

This research is reportedly causing friction between the scientists conducting it and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which helped fund the work. Director of NIAID’s Division of Microbiology and Infectious Diseases Emily Erbelding told STAT that the BU group’s original grant applications did not clarify that this specific work would be done. The BU researchers also did not make clear in their progress reports to NIAID that their experiments could enhance a pathogen of pandemic potential, STAT reported.

She also told STAT that NIAID would have “conversations over upcoming days” with the BU team. 

In other words, shhhhhhh!!

IMO, this kind of Frankenstien shit got us here in the first place. 

STOP!  DON'T YOU EVER LEARN.