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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2020 - 4:09 PM ET #1751

    South Korea to stockpile
    additional PPE for winter

    From CNN's Jake Kwon in Seoul

    South Korea is planning to stockpile 4 million sets of additional personal protective
    equipment by December to prepare for a large scale spread of the coronavirus,
    according to its Ministry of Health.

    The government also plans to secure additional ECMO machines -- a specialized
    heart-lung bypass machine used when the lungs cannot function themselves --
    and ventilators, Health Ministry official Yoon Tae-ho said in a briefing Monday.
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    What is the trump regime doing to prepare? Cut back testing even more??

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    South Korea to stockpile
    additional PPE for winter

    From CNN's Jake Kwon in Seoul

    South Korea is planning to stockpile 4 million sets of additional personal protective
    equipment by December to prepare for a large scale spread of the coronavirus,
    according to its Ministry of Health.

    The government also plans to secure additional ECMO machines -- a specialized
    heart-lung bypass machine used when the lungs cannot function themselves --
    and ventilators, Health Ministry official Yoon Tae-ho said in a briefing Monday.
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    What is the trump regime doing to prepare? Cut back testing even more??

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 1:55 PM ET #1752

    Recently, US center for disease control reverses controversial guidelines telling people to not get tested if no covid symptoms.  New guidelines return to early recommendation for more testing.  This amounts to CDC rebuking Trump's political efforts to slow testing.  He is afraid more testing would make US look bad by exposing more covid cases.  But public health experts criticize less testing when more is needed.  People without symptoms can still spread infection and the greatest risk may be before they show symptoms.   In Germany and South Korea, testing and contact tracing are crucial in identifying infected people so they can be isolated to stop virus spread.  However testing failures are among reasons why US has struggled to contain outbreaks.  If US has the same death rate as Canada, over 100,000 more Americans would likely be alive today.

     

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    Recently, US center for disease control reverses controversial guidelines telling people to not get tested if no covid symptoms.  New guidelines return to early recommendation for more testing.  This amounts to CDC rebuking Trump's political efforts to slow testing.  He is afraid more testing would make US look bad by exposing more covid cases.  But public health experts criticize less testing when more is needed.  People without symptoms can still spread infection and the greatest risk may be before they show symptoms.   In Germany and South Korea, testing and contact tracing are crucial in identifying infected people so they can be isolated to stop virus spread.  However testing failures are among reasons why US has struggled to contain outbreaks.  If US has the same death rate as Canada, over 100,000 more Americans would likely be alive today.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Recently, US center for disease control reverses controversial guidelines telling people to not get tested if no covid symptoms.  New guidelines return to early recommendation for more testing.  This amounts to CDC rebuking Trump's political efforts to slow testing.  He is afraid more testing would make US look bad by exposing more covid cases.  But public health experts criticize less testing when more is needed.  People without symptoms can still spread infection and the greatest risk may be before they show symptoms.   In Germany and South Korea, testing and contact tracing are crucial in identifying infected people so they can be isolated to stop virus spread.  However testing failures are among reasons why US has struggled to contain outbreaks.  If US has the same death rate as Canada, over 100,000 more Americans would likely be alive today.

    Sadly, very true. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Recently, US center for disease control reverses controversial guidelines telling people to not get tested if no covid symptoms.  New guidelines return to early recommendation for more testing.  This amounts to CDC rebuking Trump's political efforts to slow testing.  He is afraid more testing would make US look bad by exposing more covid cases.  But public health experts criticize less testing when more is needed.  People without symptoms can still spread infection and the greatest risk may be before they show symptoms.   In Germany and South Korea, testing and contact tracing are crucial in identifying infected people so they can be isolated to stop virus spread.  However testing failures are among reasons why US has struggled to contain outbreaks.  If US has the same death rate as Canada, over 100,000 more Americans would likely be alive today.

    Sadly, very true. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2020 - 7:38 PM ET #1754

    According to Associated press fact check, US isn't running substantially below covid death projections despite Trump's claims.  He cites a potential death toll of over 2 million to put reality of 200,000 deaths in a better light.  So he can try to falsely claim saving many lives.  But such a extreme projection is unrealistic since Institute of health metrics assumes nothing is done to fight pandemic.  It was never a expected death toll if US government did a bad job in handling pandemic.  Trump is trying to move the goal posts to fool the public into thinking anything under 2 million deaths is success.  Now Institute of health metrics projects almost 400,000 deaths by January 2021.   

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    According to Associated press fact check, US isn't running substantially below covid death projections despite Trump's claims.  He cites a potential death toll of over 2 million to put reality of 200,000 deaths in a better light.  So he can try to falsely claim saving many lives.  But such a extreme projection is unrealistic since Institute of health metrics assumes nothing is done to fight pandemic.  It was never a expected death toll if US government did a bad job in handling pandemic.  Trump is trying to move the goal posts to fool the public into thinking anything under 2 million deaths is success.  Now Institute of health metrics projects almost 400,000 deaths by January 2021.   

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2020 - 1:56 PM ET #1755

    The resurgence of Covid-19 infection cases in recent days in Europe has raised more concerns among countries like UK, Italy, Spain and Germany. Stricken impose of restrictions on public life are on the way in these countries. U.S. has to keep it vigilant, better preparing in advance than trying to bully the Covid-19 right here in the States.        

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    The resurgence of Covid-19 infection cases in recent days in Europe has raised more concerns among countries like UK, Italy, Spain and Germany. Stricken impose of restrictions on public life are on the way in these countries. U.S. has to keep it vigilant, better preparing in advance than trying to bully the Covid-19 right here in the States.        

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2020 - 9:47 PM ET #1756

    Infections are rising in 28 states with no plan in place. Even the most simple prevention of wearing a mask is being ignored.

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    Infections are rising in 28 states with no plan in place. Even the most simple prevention of wearing a mask is being ignored.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 7:52 AM ET #1757

    Second wave of Europe....

    Aug 17th article published

    Edited Aug 20rh from original version.

    Bbc property.

    Spain saw one of the most draconian Covid-19 lockdowns in Europe, but two months after it was lifted, the virus is spreading faster than in any neighbouring nation.

    It now has Europe's fastest-rising caseload, with 142 positive cases per 100,000 inhabitants over the past two weeks.

    By the time the state of emergency ended on 21 June, Spain was registering 100 to 150 cases per day. That number has risen to more than 3,000.

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    Second wave of Europe....

    Aug 17th article published

    Edited Aug 20rh from original version.

    Bbc property.

    Spain saw one of the most draconian Covid-19 lockdowns in Europe, but two months after it was lifted, the virus is spreading faster than in any neighbouring nation.

    It now has Europe's fastest-rising caseload, with 142 positive cases per 100,000 inhabitants over the past two weeks.

    By the time the state of emergency ended on 21 June, Spain was registering 100 to 150 cases per day. That number has risen to more than 3,000.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 7:58 AM ET #1758

    Source wall street journal.

    Writeboran percanvski. Berlin. 

    Further editing pending.

    As a second wave of coronavirus infections gathers momentum across Europe, the Continent’s governments

    France and Spain in Covid-19 cases across Europe in the wake of the summer travel season, in some cases reaching levels of incidence on par with those in the U.S.

     
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    Source wall street journal.

    Writeboran percanvski. Berlin. 

    Further editing pending.

    As a second wave of coronavirus infections gathers momentum across Europe, the Continent’s governments

    France and Spain in Covid-19 cases across Europe in the wake of the summer travel season, in some cases reaching levels of incidence on par with those in the U.S.

     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 8:25 AM ET #1759

    Sweden didn’t have any lockdowns. 

    They don’t wear masks. 

    They have better numbers than Italy, Spain, UK, and the US. 

    “We see no point in wearing a face mask.” — Sweden’s top virus expert Anders Tegnell. 

    Anders Tegnell is a Swedish physician specializing in infectious diseases. 

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    Sweden didn’t have any lockdowns. 

    They don’t wear masks. 

    They have better numbers than Italy, Spain, UK, and the US. 

    “We see no point in wearing a face mask.” — Sweden’s top virus expert Anders Tegnell. 

    Anders Tegnell is a Swedish physician specializing in infectious diseases. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 8:28 AM ET #1760

    If you compare the red states to the blue states the democrats will say that’s because the populations are more dense in the blue states ... and then they compare the numbers of the US to Canada. 

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    If you compare the red states to the blue states the democrats will say that’s because the populations are more dense in the blue states ... and then they compare the numbers of the US to Canada. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 8:45 AM ET #1761

    It's winter and who wants to go to stolkholm???? Ever ....

    The have banned all travel and have a population less than Boston metro... I think they going to be ok on top of that ice berg. No one in nothing out but Ikea Electrolux and husquava... They will make it... As for the rest of us... Well not looking good..

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    It's winter and who wants to go to stolkholm???? Ever ....

    The have banned all travel and have a population less than Boston metro... I think they going to be ok on top of that ice berg. No one in nothing out but Ikea Electrolux and husquava... They will make it... As for the rest of us... Well not looking good..

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 8:53 AM ET #1762

    It is 65 degrees and sunny in Stockholm today. 

    It is currently 44 degrees in Boston. 

    Try again. 

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    It is 65 degrees and sunny in Stockholm today. 

    It is currently 44 degrees in Boston. 

    Try again. 

    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Sweden didn’t have any lockdowns.  They don’t wear masks.
    They have better numbers than Italy, Spain, UK, and the US.

    “We see no point in wearing a face mask.” — Sweden’s top virus expert Anders Tegnell.
    Anders Tegnell is a Swedish physician specializing in infectious diseases.

     

    Update SEPTEMBER 19 ...

    the catastrophe that trump allowed to happen:

     

    Four countries -  located in very close proximity to CHINA ! -
    who each got their first case of covid about the same day as USA.

    Here's how TRUMP responded compared to others:

    Taiwan death toll =                    .3 per million   *wear masks
    Hong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masks
    S. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masks
    Japan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks

    "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks an_light
    TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million

    Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Sweden didn’t have any lockdowns.  They don’t wear masks.
    They have better numbers than Italy, Spain, UK, and the US.

    “We see no point in wearing a face mask.” — Sweden’s top virus expert Anders Tegnell.
    Anders Tegnell is a Swedish physician specializing in infectious diseases.

     

    Update SEPTEMBER 19 ...

    the catastrophe that trump allowed to happen:

     

    Four countries -  located in very close proximity to CHINA ! -
    who each got their first case of covid about the same day as USA.

    Here's how TRUMP responded compared to others:

    Taiwan death toll =                    .3 per million   *wear masks
    Hong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masks
    S. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masks
    Japan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks

    "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks an_light
    TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million

    Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 9:11 AM ET #1764

    Now do the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Belgium. 

    There is no evidence in the world that a neck gaiter or surgical mask does anything to prevent the spread of a virus. 

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    Now do the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Belgium. 

    There is no evidence in the world that a neck gaiter or surgical mask does anything to prevent the spread of a virus. 

    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

     

    “We see no point in wearing a face mask.” — Sweden’s top virus expert Anders Tegnell.  Anders Tegnell is a Swedish physician specializing in infectious diseases.

    Sweden admits it DID get it wrong on coronavirus:
    Expert behind country's refusal to enter lockdown
    says he would have imposed tougher restrictions
    'if we knew what we know now'

    Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist, has admitted he made the wrong call
    on the country's coronavirus lockdown for the first time
    Tegnell admits too many people have died after he shunned mandatory rules
    He now believes Sweden should have taken harsher measures to stop the spread
    Source:   https://tinyurl.com/yctbllld

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

     

    “We see no point in wearing a face mask.” — Sweden’s top virus expert Anders Tegnell.  Anders Tegnell is a Swedish physician specializing in infectious diseases.

    Sweden admits it DID get it wrong on coronavirus:
    Expert behind country's refusal to enter lockdown
    says he would have imposed tougher restrictions
    'if we knew what we know now'

    Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist, has admitted he made the wrong call
    on the country's coronavirus lockdown for the first time
    Tegnell admits too many people have died after he shunned mandatory rules
    He now believes Sweden should have taken harsher measures to stop the spread
    Source:   https://tinyurl.com/yctbllld

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 9:13 AM ET #1766

    However, there is overwhelming evidence showing that gathering in groups of 100,000 at the height of a pandemic isn’t the best idea. 

    It’s amazing that Democrats would encourage such behavior. 

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    However, there is overwhelming evidence showing that gathering in groups of 100,000 at the height of a pandemic isn’t the best idea. 

    It’s amazing that Democrats would encourage such behavior. 

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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 9:20 AM ET #1767

    Tegnell — “The basic strategy has worked well. I do not see what we would have done completely differently.” 

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    Tegnell — “The basic strategy has worked well. I do not see what we would have done completely differently.” 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Now do the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Belgium.  There is no evidence in the world that a neck gaiter or surgical mask does anything to prevent the spread of a virus.

    That's been debunked repeatedly in these threads with fact sources and links.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Now do the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Belgium.  There is no evidence in the world that a neck gaiter or surgical mask does anything to prevent the spread of a virus.

    That's been debunked repeatedly in these threads with fact sources and links.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    However, there is overwhelming evidence showing that gathering in groups of 100,000 at the height of a pandemic isn’t the best idea.  It’s amazing that Democrats would encourage such behavior.

    Herman Cain

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    However, there is overwhelming evidence showing that gathering in groups of 100,000 at the height of a pandemic isn’t the best idea.  It’s amazing that Democrats would encourage such behavior.

    Herman Cain

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    That's been debunked repeatedly in these threads with fact sources and links.

    Show me a source debunking it and I’ll show you how you’re misinterpreting what’s being said. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    That's been debunked repeatedly in these threads with fact sources and links.

    Show me a source debunking it and I’ll show you how you’re misinterpreting what’s being said. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Here's how TRUMP responded compared to others:

    Taiwan death toll =                    .3 per million   *wear masks
    Hong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masks
    S. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masks
    Japan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks

    "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks an_light
    TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million

     

    Tegnell — “The basic strategy has worked well. I do not see what we would have done completely differently.”

    Proof the guy is an idiot like trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Here's how TRUMP responded compared to others:

    Taiwan death toll =                    .3 per million   *wear masks
    Hong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masks
    S. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masks
    Japan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks

    "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks an_light
    TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million

     

    Tegnell — “The basic strategy has worked well. I do not see what we would have done completely differently.”

    Proof the guy is an idiot like trump

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 9:26 AM ET #1772

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Herman Cain

    What about him? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

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    What about him? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: That's been debunked repeatedly in these threads with fact sources and links. Show me a source debunking it and I’ll show you how you’re misinterpreting what’s being said.

    Already done multiple times here. 

    I am not going to explain gravity to you if you simply refuse to accept it.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: That's been debunked repeatedly in these threads with fact sources and links. Show me a source debunking it and I’ll show you how you’re misinterpreting what’s being said.

    Already done multiple times here. 

    I am not going to explain gravity to you if you simply refuse to accept it.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 9:28 AM ET #1774

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Now do the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Belgium. 

    Why?

    What's the point of listing the top 7 FAILURES when there are about 120 countries doing much better BY FAR

    Chart also posted and updated multiple times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Now do the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Belgium. 

    Why?

    What's the point of listing the top 7 FAILURES when there are about 120 countries doing much better BY FAR

    Chart also posted and updated multiple times.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Already done multiple times here.  I am not going to explain gravity to you if you simply refuse to accept it.

    I didn’t think so. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Already done multiple times here.  I am not going to explain gravity to you if you simply refuse to accept it.

    I didn’t think so. 

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