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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 9:33 AM ET #1776

    The children of Sweden missed a total of 0 days in the classroom and also never wore masks. 

    Must be nice. 

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    The children of Sweden missed a total of 0 days in the classroom and also never wore masks. 

    Must be nice. 

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 9:39 AM ET #1777

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Already done multiple times here.  I am not going to explain gravity to you if you simply refuse to accept it. I didn’t think so.

    I didn't think you would bother either!  an_light

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Already done multiple times here.  I am not going to explain gravity to you if you simply refuse to accept it. I didn’t think so.

    I didn't think you would bother either!  an_light

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 9:39 AM ET #1778

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The children of Sweden missed a total of 0 days in the classroom and also never wore masks.  Must be nice.

    Meanwhile,

    the FACTS:

    Taiwan death toll =                    .3 per million   *wear masks
    Hong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masks
    S. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masks
    Japan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks

    "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks an_light
    TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million

    Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The children of Sweden missed a total of 0 days in the classroom and also never wore masks.  Must be nice.

    Meanwhile,

    the FACTS:

    Taiwan death toll =                    .3 per million   *wear masks
    Hong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masks
    S. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masks
    Japan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks

    "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks an_light
    TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million

    Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 9:42 AM ET #1779

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Why? What's the point of listing the top 7 FAILURES when there are about 120 countries doing much better BY FAR Chart also posted and updated multiple times.

    The US has performed 300,000 tests per million population. The US also incentivized hospitals if the patient was a corona patient... Even if there was never a positive test. Name another country that did this. 

    16 countries in the world have a testing rate over 100,000 per million. 

    Only 30 countries in the world have a testing rate over 10,000 per million.

    What data are you using to evaluate 120+ countries?

    an_popcorn 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Why? What's the point of listing the top 7 FAILURES when there are about 120 countries doing much better BY FAR Chart also posted and updated multiple times.

    The US has performed 300,000 tests per million population. The US also incentivized hospitals if the patient was a corona patient... Even if there was never a positive test. Name another country that did this. 

    16 countries in the world have a testing rate over 100,000 per million. 

    Only 30 countries in the world have a testing rate over 10,000 per million.

    What data are you using to evaluate 120+ countries?

    an_popcorn 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 9:47 AM ET #1780

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Why? What's the point of listing the top 7 FAILURES when there are about 120 countries doing much better BY FAR Chart also posted and updated multiple times. The US performed 300,000 tests per million population. The US also incentivized hospitals if the patient was a corona patient. Even if there was never a positive test. Name another country that did this.  16 countries in the world have a testing rate over 100,000 per million.  Only 30 countries in the world have a testing rate over 10,000 per million. What data are you using to evaluate 120 countries?

    The only one that matters: deaths per million pop.

    This has also been posted REPEATEDLY in multiple threads and updated weekly for MONTHS!

     

    More proof how trump's LIES hurt America...

     

    World coronavirus deaths per million population:

    From the 129 world countries with at least 4 million pop, the inept
    trump-regime just overtook UK on Saturday; now rising to 8th WORST.

    949 ...was 922 Peru
    857 ...was 855 Belgium
    < gap >
    652 ...was 636 Spain
    648 ...was 617 Bolivia
    641 ...was 613 Brazil
    640 ...was 619 Chile
    626 ...was 612 Ecuador
    615 ..was 596  trump's-denialist regime  <--- 8th worst! an_light
    614 ...was 612 UK

    591 ...was 589 Italy

    Stat source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Why? What's the point of listing the top 7 FAILURES when there are about 120 countries doing much better BY FAR Chart also posted and updated multiple times. The US performed 300,000 tests per million population. The US also incentivized hospitals if the patient was a corona patient. Even if there was never a positive test. Name another country that did this.  16 countries in the world have a testing rate over 100,000 per million.  Only 30 countries in the world have a testing rate over 10,000 per million. What data are you using to evaluate 120 countries?

    The only one that matters: deaths per million pop.

    This has also been posted REPEATEDLY in multiple threads and updated weekly for MONTHS!

     

    More proof how trump's LIES hurt America...

     

    World coronavirus deaths per million population:

    From the 129 world countries with at least 4 million pop, the inept
    trump-regime just overtook UK on Saturday; now rising to 8th WORST.

    949 ...was 922 Peru
    857 ...was 855 Belgium
    < gap >
    652 ...was 636 Spain
    648 ...was 617 Bolivia
    641 ...was 613 Brazil
    640 ...was 619 Chile
    626 ...was 612 Ecuador
    615 ..was 596  trump's-denialist regime  <--- 8th worst! an_light
    614 ...was 612 UK

    591 ...was 589 Italy

    Stat source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:00 AM ET #1781

    100 of the 129 countries didn’t even perform 10,000 tests per million population.

    In the US, if you had a heart attack, and tested positive for corona, you are considered a corona death.

    In other countries that person would not be considered a corona death.

    On top of that, hospitals are incentivized to list a patient as a corona patient.

    If you don’t think this muddies the data it’s because you’re just looking for any excuse to dunk on Drumpf. 

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    100 of the 129 countries didn’t even perform 10,000 tests per million population.

    In the US, if you had a heart attack, and tested positive for corona, you are considered a corona death.

    In other countries that person would not be considered a corona death.

    On top of that, hospitals are incentivized to list a patient as a corona patient.

    If you don’t think this muddies the data it’s because you’re just looking for any excuse to dunk on Drumpf. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:03 AM ET #1782

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Already done multiple times here.  I am not going to explain gravity to you if you simply refuse to accept it. I didn’t think so. I didn't think you would bother either!

    Don't bother arguing it with Detox, Fubah2. There are some people preferring the herd "developed" or "mentality", aka herd immunity, such as Mr. Donald J Trump to deal with the Covid-19. Sweden is the only country, besides Trump administration's argue, to implement the herd immunity. Herd immunity will have ~70% of the population to get infected by the Covid or vaccinated. Without vaccinated, likely ~2% of these ~70% of people Covid-19 infection will parish. 70% of 325 million (U.S. population), in terms, 228 million of Americans will contracted Covid-19. Astonishingly and sadly, if without vaccines, 4.5 million of Americans may die from this "herd mentality".

    US has passed the Covid-19 death tolls of 200,000, 4.5 million is 22.5 times of it.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Already done multiple times here.  I am not going to explain gravity to you if you simply refuse to accept it. I didn’t think so. I didn't think you would bother either!

    Don't bother arguing it with Detox, Fubah2. There are some people preferring the herd "developed" or "mentality", aka herd immunity, such as Mr. Donald J Trump to deal with the Covid-19. Sweden is the only country, besides Trump administration's argue, to implement the herd immunity. Herd immunity will have ~70% of the population to get infected by the Covid or vaccinated. Without vaccinated, likely ~2% of these ~70% of people Covid-19 infection will parish. 70% of 325 million (U.S. population), in terms, 228 million of Americans will contracted Covid-19. Astonishingly and sadly, if without vaccines, 4.5 million of Americans may die from this "herd mentality".

    US has passed the Covid-19 death tolls of 200,000, 4.5 million is 22.5 times of it.  

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:21 AM ET #1783

    Your numbers mean nothing. Just numbers passed on by the fear mongering press. 

    The reality is that Sweden has MUCH better numbers than far left NY and far left NJ. Easily the worst performing states in the country. 

    O days of school missed. All of the children are in the classroom. Nobody is wearing masks. 

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    Your numbers mean nothing. Just numbers passed on by the fear mongering press. 

    The reality is that Sweden has MUCH better numbers than far left NY and far left NJ. Easily the worst performing states in the country. 

    O days of school missed. All of the children are in the classroom. Nobody is wearing masks. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:22 AM ET #1784

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    100 of the 129 countries didn’t even perform 10,000 tests per million population. In the US, if you had a heart attack, and tested positive for corona, you are considered a corona death. In other countries that person would not be considered a corona death. On top of that, hospitals are incentivized to list a patient as a corona patient. If you don’t think this muddies the data it’s because you’re just looking for any excuse to dunk on Drumpf.

    You make up baseless arguments without supporting facts and links to sources.

    Irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    100 of the 129 countries didn’t even perform 10,000 tests per million population. In the US, if you had a heart attack, and tested positive for corona, you are considered a corona death. In other countries that person would not be considered a corona death. On top of that, hospitals are incentivized to list a patient as a corona patient. If you don’t think this muddies the data it’s because you’re just looking for any excuse to dunk on Drumpf.

    You make up baseless arguments without supporting facts and links to sources.

    Irrelevant.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:23 AM ET #1785

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Your numbers mean nothing.

    Your denials mean nothing.

    Meanwhile,

    the FACTS:

    Taiwan death toll =                    .3 per million   *wear masks
    Hong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masks
    S. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masks
    Japan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks

    "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks an_light
    TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million

    Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Your numbers mean nothing.

    Your denials mean nothing.

    Meanwhile,

    the FACTS:

    Taiwan death toll =                    .3 per million   *wear masks
    Hong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masks
    S. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masks
    Japan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks

    "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks an_light
    TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million

    Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:25 AM ET #1786

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Already done multiple times here.  I am not going to explain gravity to you if you simply refuse to accept it.

     

    Don't bother arguing it with Detox, Fubah2.

    Well I presume you know the fool better than I since you've posted many thousands more than me and have been here for many years.

    Sounds like good advice.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Already done multiple times here.  I am not going to explain gravity to you if you simply refuse to accept it.

     

    Don't bother arguing it with Detox, Fubah2.

    Well I presume you know the fool better than I since you've posted many thousands more than me and have been here for many years.

    Sounds like good advice.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:29 AM ET #1787

    Just because you’re on the same side as the moderators doesn’t mean you’re allowed to start calling me names. 

    I’m very sensitive. 

    peace_5

     

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    Just because you’re on the same side as the moderators doesn’t mean you’re allowed to start calling me names. 

    I’m very sensitive. 

    peace_5

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:31 AM ET #1788

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Infections are rising in 28 states with no plan in place. Even the most simple prevention of wearing a mask is being ignored.

    It's sad really.... that we have an a**ho for a president who created the health and economic crisis we are in.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Infections are rising in 28 states with no plan in place. Even the most simple prevention of wearing a mask is being ignored.

    It's sad really.... that we have an a**ho for a president who created the health and economic crisis we are in.

     

     
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    Hey Europa.....apparently YOU are a moderator now!  thumbs_up

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    Hey Europa.....apparently YOU are a moderator now!  thumbs_up

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:34 AM ET #1790

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    It's sad really.... that we have an a**ho for a president who created the health and economic crisis we are in.

    What would you like to see Trump do? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    It's sad really.... that we have an a**ho for a president who created the health and economic crisis we are in.

    What would you like to see Trump do? 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:36 AM ET #1791

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    You make up baseless arguments without supporting facts and links to sources. Irrelevant.

    Everything I say can be supported by a trusted source. Let me know what you would like a source for. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    You make up baseless arguments without supporting facts and links to sources. Irrelevant.

    Everything I say can be supported by a trusted source. Let me know what you would like a source for. 

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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:37 AM ET #1792

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Your numbers mean nothing. Your denials mean nothing. Meanwhile, the FACTS: Taiwan death toll =(7)                    .3 per million   *wear masksHong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masksS. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masksJapan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Asian countries can do it very well without the unnecessary herd immunity through infection, we could have done it like those Asian countries but Trump administration chooses not to, unfortunately. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Your numbers mean nothing. Your denials mean nothing. Meanwhile, the FACTS: Taiwan death toll =(7)                    .3 per million   *wear masksHong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masksS. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masksJapan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Asian countries can do it very well without the unnecessary herd immunity through infection, we could have done it like those Asian countries but Trump administration chooses not to, unfortunately. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:41 AM ET #1793

    What did the Asian countries do that the US didn’t do? 

    What would you like to see done? 

    Keep in mind that top Democrats were telling people to get out and mingle in March and encouraging people to gather in large groups (100,000+) throughout the pandemic. 

    (You won’t be able to provide a clear answer to these questions because it requires you to think for yourself) 

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    What did the Asian countries do that the US didn’t do? 

    What would you like to see done? 

    Keep in mind that top Democrats were telling people to get out and mingle in March and encouraging people to gather in large groups (100,000+) throughout the pandemic. 

    (You won’t be able to provide a clear answer to these questions because it requires you to think for yourself) 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:42 AM ET #1794

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Asian countries can do it very well without the unnecessary herd immunity through infection, we could have done it like those Asian countries but Trump administration chooses not to, unfortunately.

    Well that's the point.  peace_5

    New Zealand and Australia or other examples that come to mind, but really it's the Asian countries who have greatest compliance with wearing masks in public and the results speak for themselves. And that is DESPITE extremely dense populations in those countries!

    the FACTS:

    Taiwan death toll =                    .3 per million   *wear masks
    Hong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masks
    S. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masks
    Japan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks

    "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks an_light
    TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million

    Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    More proof how trump's LIES hurt America...

     

    World coronavirus deaths per million population:

    From the 129 world countries with at least 4 million pop, the inept
    trump-regime just overtook UK on Saturday; now rising to 8th WORST.

    949 ...was 922 Peru
    857 ...was 855 Belgium
    < gap >
    652 ...was 636 Spain
    648 ...was 617 Bolivia
    641 ...was 613 Brazil
    640 ...was 619 Chile
    626 ...was 612 Ecuador
    615 ..was 596  trump's-denialist regime  <--- 8th worst! an_light
    614 ...was 612 UK

    591 ...was 589 Italy

    Stat source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Asian countries can do it very well without the unnecessary herd immunity through infection, we could have done it like those Asian countries but Trump administration chooses not to, unfortunately.

    Well that's the point.  peace_5

    New Zealand and Australia or other examples that come to mind, but really it's the Asian countries who have greatest compliance with wearing masks in public and the results speak for themselves. And that is DESPITE extremely dense populations in those countries!

    the FACTS:

    Taiwan death toll =                    .3 per million   *wear masks
    Hong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masks
    S. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masks
    Japan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks

    "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks an_light
    TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million

    Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    More proof how trump's LIES hurt America...

     

    World coronavirus deaths per million population:

    From the 129 world countries with at least 4 million pop, the inept
    trump-regime just overtook UK on Saturday; now rising to 8th WORST.

    949 ...was 922 Peru
    857 ...was 855 Belgium
    < gap >
    652 ...was 636 Spain
    648 ...was 617 Bolivia
    641 ...was 613 Brazil
    640 ...was 619 Chile
    626 ...was 612 Ecuador
    615 ..was 596  trump's-denialist regime  <--- 8th worst! an_light
    614 ...was 612 UK

    591 ...was 589 Italy

    Stat source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:45 AM ET #1795

    Everyone in NY wears a mask. It’s required to wear a mask in most places. And NY has some of the worst numbers in the world. 

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    Everyone in NY wears a mask. It’s required to wear a mask in most places. And NY has some of the worst numbers in the world. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:45 AM ET #1796

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    we could have done it like those Asian countries but Trump administration chooses not to, unfortunately.

    Yeah, trump ph*cked it all up bigly.

    South Korea didn't even lock down, and yet only 8 deaths per million in an EXTREMELY densely populated tiny country about the size of Illinois but with a pop of over 51 MILLION

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    we could have done it like those Asian countries but Trump administration chooses not to, unfortunately.

    Yeah, trump ph*cked it all up bigly.

    South Korea didn't even lock down, and yet only 8 deaths per million in an EXTREMELY densely populated tiny country about the size of Illinois but with a pop of over 51 MILLION

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 10:48 AM ET #1797

    Did South Korea have gatherings of 100,000 at the height of the pandemic?

    Still no examples of what asian countries did that Trump didn’t do. 

    Are you mad that Trump didn’t ban BLM protests? 

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    Did South Korea have gatherings of 100,000 at the height of the pandemic?

    Still no examples of what asian countries did that Trump didn’t do. 

    Are you mad that Trump didn’t ban BLM protests? 

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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 11:20 AM ET #1798

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Your numbers mean nothing. Your denials mean nothing. Meanwhile, the FACTS: Taiwan death toll =(7)                    .3 per million   *wear masksHong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masksS. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masksJapan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Asian countries can do it very well without the unnecessary herd immunity through infection, we could have done it like those Asian countries but Trump administration chooses not to, unfortunately.

    dont need stupid herd immunity . the asian countries proved that

    theres no need to condemn 3 to 5 million more americans to death just so rump can have all his hotels a full again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Your numbers mean nothing. Your denials mean nothing. Meanwhile, the FACTS: Taiwan death toll =(7)                    .3 per million   *wear masksHong Kong death toll =            14 per million   *wear masksS. Korean death toll =              8 per million    *wear masksJapan death toll =                   12 per million    *wear masks "Socialist" Sweden =       580 per million *DON'T wear masks TRUMP's death toll =     615 per million Stat source:     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Asian countries can do it very well without the unnecessary herd immunity through infection, we could have done it like those Asian countries but Trump administration chooses not to, unfortunately.

    dont need stupid herd immunity . the asian countries proved that

    theres no need to condemn 3 to 5 million more americans to death just so rump can have all his hotels a full again

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2020 - 11:26 AM ET #1799

    Sweden’s plan was never herd immunity. 

    It’s amazing how misinformed people are. It’s even more amazing how right the misinformed people think they are. 

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    Sweden’s plan was never herd immunity. 

    It’s amazing how misinformed people are. It’s even more amazing how right the misinformed people think they are. 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

     

    dont need stupid herd immunity . the asian countries proved that theres no need to condemn 3 to 5 million more americans to death just so rump can have all his hotels a full again

    Correct.  And anyone who says herd immunity is a viable path here is ignorant.

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    dont need stupid herd immunity . the asian countries proved that theres no need to condemn 3 to 5 million more americans to death just so rump can have all his hotels a full again

    Correct.  And anyone who says herd immunity is a viable path here is ignorant.

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