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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 4:30 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:



    ahh, post 60, where you referred to wallstreets response to me, where he went out of his way to decry me by saying pesticides dont implicitly give food more health benefits, EVEN THOUGH i said the same from the start.  yep, lets cheer on wallstreet who never bothered to read what my argument was and made a fool of himself.

    dont you think its funny that neither you nor wallstreet will answer a simply question thats been asked countless times in this thread?

    yes or no, do you really think that a rotting and/or insect infested "organic" piece of fruit is the same or more healthy than a ripe "treated" piece of fruit?

    the only thing worse than being ignorant is refusing to acknowledge ones ignorance when presented with factual evidence.


    btw, given the evidence of all the PRESERVATIVES used in mcdonalds french fries, do you at least acknowledge that your comparison between those, and a regular french fry has no bearing on the discussion of the used of pesticides on crops?

    Wrong question because you make several assumptions which are flawed.

    Of course the obvious (and wrong) answer to the first bolded is "YES" but it is a flawed comment, so the answer is not applicable.

    You are drawing assumptions that "treated" fruit and veggies are more healthy and that organic fruit is "rotting and infested". 

    That is completely wrong, why are you saying that organic= rotting/infested and pesticide sprayed= healthy?

    I purchase organic veggies all the time, and Ive never had a rotten, infested piece of fruit or veggie yet..so what does this do to your weak argument?

    Shelf life helps the corporation, not the individual, there is absolutely no correlation to longer shelf life and health of the fruit/veggie, in fact you could claim the exact opposite..so say you go and buy a red, shiny, waxed and sprayed apple that has a 2 week shelf life and do not properly wash and clean the pesticides and wax off the fruit, is that "healthy"? How would you be able to tell if you have removed the toxic cocktail from the fruit even if you did wash it?

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying what you need more often and eating what you buy instead of buying food that can sit in your fridge a few days longer. 

    Our ancestors were able to raise their own crops or buy their foods and consume them in a timely fashion, not needing the death spray we put on large corporate fruit and veggies. If you are unable to properly buy and consume then I guess buying food that has been treated with chemicals and pesticides might be the route you want to go, I dont consider your choices to be any more healthy, in fact it is less healthy.

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    ahh, post 60, where you referred to wallstreets response to me, where he went out of his way to decry me by saying pesticides dont implicitly give food more health benefits, EVEN THOUGH i said the same from the start.  yep, lets cheer on wallstreet who never bothered to read what my argument was and made a fool of himself.

    dont you think its funny that neither you nor wallstreet will answer a simply question thats been asked countless times in this thread?

    yes or no, do you really think that a rotting and/or insect infested "organic" piece of fruit is the same or more healthy than a ripe "treated" piece of fruit?

    the only thing worse than being ignorant is refusing to acknowledge ones ignorance when presented with factual evidence.


    btw, given the evidence of all the PRESERVATIVES used in mcdonalds french fries, do you at least acknowledge that your comparison between those, and a regular french fry has no bearing on the discussion of the used of pesticides on crops?

    Wrong question because you make several assumptions which are flawed.

    Of course the obvious (and wrong) answer to the first bolded is "YES" but it is a flawed comment, so the answer is not applicable.

    You are drawing assumptions that "treated" fruit and veggies are more healthy and that organic fruit is "rotting and infested". 

    That is completely wrong, why are you saying that organic= rotting/infested and pesticide sprayed= healthy?

    I purchase organic veggies all the time, and Ive never had a rotten, infested piece of fruit or veggie yet..so what does this do to your weak argument?

    Shelf life helps the corporation, not the individual, there is absolutely no correlation to longer shelf life and health of the fruit/veggie, in fact you could claim the exact opposite..so say you go and buy a red, shiny, waxed and sprayed apple that has a 2 week shelf life and do not properly wash and clean the pesticides and wax off the fruit, is that "healthy"? How would you be able to tell if you have removed the toxic cocktail from the fruit even if you did wash it?

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying what you need more often and eating what you buy instead of buying food that can sit in your fridge a few days longer. 

    Our ancestors were able to raise their own crops or buy their foods and consume them in a timely fashion, not needing the death spray we put on large corporate fruit and veggies. If you are unable to properly buy and consume then I guess buying food that has been treated with chemicals and pesticides might be the route you want to go, I dont consider your choices to be any more healthy, in fact it is less healthy.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 4:39 PM ET #77

    both you and clubdirt have mentioned numerous times that using pesticides increases the shelf life of the crop

    yes or no, does shelf life mean the length of time before the crop becomes unfit for consumption?

    yes or no, is eating a rotting piece of food healthy?

    thats 2 simple questions that require a simple yes or no answer.  i wonder if you will have the balls enough to answer

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    both you and clubdirt have mentioned numerous times that using pesticides increases the shelf life of the crop

    yes or no, does shelf life mean the length of time before the crop becomes unfit for consumption?

    yes or no, is eating a rotting piece of food healthy?

    thats 2 simple questions that require a simple yes or no answer.  i wonder if you will have the balls enough to answer

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 4:54 PM ET #78

    Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:

    both you and clubdirt have mentioned numerous times that using pesticides increases the shelf life of the crop

    yes or no, does shelf life mean the length of time before the crop becomes unfit for consumption?

    yes or no, is eating a rotting piece of food healthy?

    thats 2 simple questions that require a simple yes or no answer.  i wonder if you will have the balls enough to answer


    If you are eating a rotted piece of food, you improperly planned the purchase.

    Have you ever eaten a rotten piece of fruit bought with a longer shelf life?

    The answer is yes to the length of time a piece of food is edible, that does not mean it is more HEALTHY, shelf-life is not equal to health, it is equal to SUPPLY.

    To question two, eating a rotten piece of food, organic or non is not what I like to do..some people do so with certain application, but the conclusion you are drawing is incorrect.

    Your only point to be made is shelf life, that is a matter of supply and nothing else.

    There are millions of people currently living that purchase what they need for a day of meals and do not need what our large farming corporations do, I see no reason that a person or family cannot purchase food several times a week and avoid pesticides, waxes, chemicals in order to save a shopping trip or two a week.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:

    both you and clubdirt have mentioned numerous times that using pesticides increases the shelf life of the crop

    yes or no, does shelf life mean the length of time before the crop becomes unfit for consumption?

    yes or no, is eating a rotting piece of food healthy?

    thats 2 simple questions that require a simple yes or no answer.  i wonder if you will have the balls enough to answer


    If you are eating a rotted piece of food, you improperly planned the purchase.

    Have you ever eaten a rotten piece of fruit bought with a longer shelf life?

    The answer is yes to the length of time a piece of food is edible, that does not mean it is more HEALTHY, shelf-life is not equal to health, it is equal to SUPPLY.

    To question two, eating a rotten piece of food, organic or non is not what I like to do..some people do so with certain application, but the conclusion you are drawing is incorrect.

    Your only point to be made is shelf life, that is a matter of supply and nothing else.

    There are millions of people currently living that purchase what they need for a day of meals and do not need what our large farming corporations do, I see no reason that a person or family cannot purchase food several times a week and avoid pesticides, waxes, chemicals in order to save a shopping trip or two a week.


     
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    i think wallstreet covered the previous flawed questions.  no need to repeat it since we've been saying the same thing all along.

    but i'll indulge these questions although question one misses the original point and question two has no basis in reality for any of us and therefore is a useless question.  because you are so far off the point, they aren't yes or no questions because they need an explanation to try and get you somewhere in the realm of comprehension in this thread.

    as to your new questions, yes, we all agree that pesticides increase the shelf life of the product which increases the time it is fit to be eaten.  no one has argued otherwise.  in doing so, they also make the food much less healthy and more dangerous.  so back to our original point, these pesticides have a purpose, but they make the food more dangerous and unhealthy.

    as for #2, eating rotten food is not healthy.  i don't suggest you do it.   i also suggest you avoid food that is sprayed with pesticides and chemicals when possible because that isn't healthy either.  luckily, there is a third option- eating food that is neither rotten nor sprayed with pesticides and chemicals. 

     

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    i think wallstreet covered the previous flawed questions.  no need to repeat it since we've been saying the same thing all along.

    but i'll indulge these questions although question one misses the original point and question two has no basis in reality for any of us and therefore is a useless question.  because you are so far off the point, they aren't yes or no questions because they need an explanation to try and get you somewhere in the realm of comprehension in this thread.

    as to your new questions, yes, we all agree that pesticides increase the shelf life of the product which increases the time it is fit to be eaten.  no one has argued otherwise.  in doing so, they also make the food much less healthy and more dangerous.  so back to our original point, these pesticides have a purpose, but they make the food more dangerous and unhealthy.

    as for #2, eating rotten food is not healthy.  i don't suggest you do it.   i also suggest you avoid food that is sprayed with pesticides and chemicals when possible because that isn't healthy either.  luckily, there is a third option- eating food that is neither rotten nor sprayed with pesticides and chemicals. 

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 5:05 PM ET #80

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    If you are eating a rotted piece of food, you improperly planned the purchase.

    Have you ever eaten a rotten piece of fruit bought with a longer shelf life?

    The answer is yes to the length of time a piece of food is edible, that does not mean it is more HEALTHY, shelf-life is not equal to health, it is equal to SUPPLY.

    To question two, eating a rotten piece of food, organic or non is not what I like to do..some people do so with certain application, but the conclusion you are drawing is incorrect.

    Your only point to be made is shelf life, that is a matter of supply and nothing else.

    There are millions of people currently living that purchase what they need for a day of meals and do not need what our large farming corporations do, I see no reason that a person or family cannot purchase food several times a week and avoid pesticides, waxes, chemicals in order to save a shopping trip or two a week.




    it is amazing your complete refusal to answer a simple yes or no question.  you can tell the whole world you dont believe theres any scenario where a treated piece of crop is healthier than a non treated one, but you and i both know that you really do.

    you do realize not everyone lives near a grocery store right?  what about the people in BFE?  they are supposed to drive 30+ miles each way to the nearest store everyday?  please stop now before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    If you are eating a rotted piece of food, you improperly planned the purchase.

    Have you ever eaten a rotten piece of fruit bought with a longer shelf life?

    The answer is yes to the length of time a piece of food is edible, that does not mean it is more HEALTHY, shelf-life is not equal to health, it is equal to SUPPLY.

    To question two, eating a rotten piece of food, organic or non is not what I like to do..some people do so with certain application, but the conclusion you are drawing is incorrect.

    Your only point to be made is shelf life, that is a matter of supply and nothing else.

    There are millions of people currently living that purchase what they need for a day of meals and do not need what our large farming corporations do, I see no reason that a person or family cannot purchase food several times a week and avoid pesticides, waxes, chemicals in order to save a shopping trip or two a week.




    it is amazing your complete refusal to answer a simple yes or no question.  you can tell the whole world you dont believe theres any scenario where a treated piece of crop is healthier than a non treated one, but you and i both know that you really do.

    you do realize not everyone lives near a grocery store right?  what about the people in BFE?  they are supposed to drive 30+ miles each way to the nearest store everyday?  please stop now before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 5:13 PM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i think wallstreet covered the previous flawed questions.  no need to repeat it since we've been saying the same thing all along.

    but i'll indulge these questions although question one misses the original point and question two has no basis in reality for any of us and therefore is a useless question.  because you are so far off the point, they aren't yes or no questions because they need an explanation to try and get you somewhere in the realm of comprehension in this thread.

    as to your new questions, yes, we all agree that pesticides increase the shelf life of the product which increases the time it is fit to be eaten.  no one has argued otherwise.  in doing so, they also make the food much less healthy and more dangerous.  so back to our original point, these pesticides have a purpose, but they make the food more dangerous and unhealthy.

    as for #2, eating rotten food is not healthy.  i don't suggest you do it.   i also suggest you avoid food that is sprayed with pesticides and chemicals when possible because that isn't healthy either.  luckily, there is a third option- eating food that is neither rotten nor sprayed with pesticides and chemicals. 

     



    so your whole point is eating a ripe treated piece of food is more dangerous than eating a rotting untreated piece of food?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i think wallstreet covered the previous flawed questions.  no need to repeat it since we've been saying the same thing all along.

    but i'll indulge these questions although question one misses the original point and question two has no basis in reality for any of us and therefore is a useless question.  because you are so far off the point, they aren't yes or no questions because they need an explanation to try and get you somewhere in the realm of comprehension in this thread.

    as to your new questions, yes, we all agree that pesticides increase the shelf life of the product which increases the time it is fit to be eaten.  no one has argued otherwise.  in doing so, they also make the food much less healthy and more dangerous.  so back to our original point, these pesticides have a purpose, but they make the food more dangerous and unhealthy.

    as for #2, eating rotten food is not healthy.  i don't suggest you do it.   i also suggest you avoid food that is sprayed with pesticides and chemicals when possible because that isn't healthy either.  luckily, there is a third option- eating food that is neither rotten nor sprayed with pesticides and chemicals. 

     



    so your whole point is eating a ripe treated piece of food is more dangerous than eating a rotting untreated piece of food?????
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinvegas:



    so your whole point is eating a ripe treated piece of food is more dangerous than eating a rotting untreated piece of food?????

    no, that was never my point and anyone reading this thread could see that.  my whole point, simply stated, is this:

    pesticides and chemicals make fruit less healthy and dangerous to eat over time. 

    kapono responded, correctly, that pesticides have a purpose which is to extend the life of the sprayed fruit/vegetables, which we all agree with.  the primary benefit is to the seller which wants the window during which its product can be purhcased to be as long as possible.

    you wildly distorted this point to somehow understand that pesticides and chemicals make the product healthier because it stays around longer.  then interjected the idea of rotting fruit into the subject as if the only two options were having access to fruit after some period of time with the only choices being rotten fruit or artificiallly ripe sprayed fruit. 

    again, simply stated, pesticides/chemicals = longer but also pesticides/chemicals = less healthy and more dangerous.  in conclusion, longer shelf life does not equal healthier.  it equals longer. 

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    so your whole point is eating a ripe treated piece of food is more dangerous than eating a rotting untreated piece of food?????

    no, that was never my point and anyone reading this thread could see that.  my whole point, simply stated, is this:

    pesticides and chemicals make fruit less healthy and dangerous to eat over time. 

    kapono responded, correctly, that pesticides have a purpose which is to extend the life of the sprayed fruit/vegetables, which we all agree with.  the primary benefit is to the seller which wants the window during which its product can be purhcased to be as long as possible.

    you wildly distorted this point to somehow understand that pesticides and chemicals make the product healthier because it stays around longer.  then interjected the idea of rotting fruit into the subject as if the only two options were having access to fruit after some period of time with the only choices being rotten fruit or artificiallly ripe sprayed fruit. 

    again, simply stated, pesticides/chemicals = longer but also pesticides/chemicals = less healthy and more dangerous.  in conclusion, longer shelf life does not equal healthier.  it equals longer. 

     
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    in their agricultural industry.  farmers can't get enough workers, crops are already rottinh in the field.  georgia governor plans to go back to the georgia post-slavery method of using felons to do the work (they are going to get their slave labor from somewhere) but good luck with that working.  

    who wants to bet that florida, whose governor talked about a similar tough immigration law, won't follow through when they see the hit georgia's economy is taking?


    I get it... We are supposed to disregard laws because of what it might do to Georgia's Agriculture.  Nice one.  
    Some of you have shallow principles... are none at all.



    The fields in the South were able to survive post 1923 w/o reverting to illegal policies...   Go re-read the article again if you don't understand the significance of that date.


    It's obvious the felons are less productive than the illegals.... but is that any reason to disregard laws.   


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    in their agricultural industry.  farmers can't get enough workers, crops are already rottinh in the field.  georgia governor plans to go back to the georgia post-slavery method of using felons to do the work (they are going to get their slave labor from somewhere) but good luck with that working.  

    who wants to bet that florida, whose governor talked about a similar tough immigration law, won't follow through when they see the hit georgia's economy is taking?


    I get it... We are supposed to disregard laws because of what it might do to Georgia's Agriculture.  Nice one.  
    Some of you have shallow principles... are none at all.



    The fields in the South were able to survive post 1923 w/o reverting to illegal policies...   Go re-read the article again if you don't understand the significance of that date.


    It's obvious the felons are less productive than the illegals.... but is that any reason to disregard laws.   


     
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    Posted: Aug. 27, 2011 - 2:33 PM ET #84

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    I get it... We are supposed to disregard laws because of what it might do to Georgia's Agriculture.  Nice one.  
    Some of you have shallow principles... are none at all.



    The fields in the South were able to survive post 1923 w/o reverting to illegal policies...   Go re-read the article again if you don't understand the significance of that date.


    It's obvious the felons are less productive than the illegals.... but is that any reason to disregard laws.   



    no, you don't get it, at least not my point.  i'm not saying what they should or shouldn't do.  the point is so many people want to say, just send them back to mexico, but if you take that position (we won't go into the impossibility of that proposition here) the point is because these illegals have been here so long and are ingrained in our economy, there is a significant cost to taking that position.

    additionally, my opinion is using prisoners in georgia will not work very well.  let's see if time will prove me wrong.  i also believe florida will back off in instituting the same tough immigration policy after seeing the tremendous cost to georgia.  let's see if time proves me wrong.  
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    I get it... We are supposed to disregard laws because of what it might do to Georgia's Agriculture.  Nice one.  
    Some of you have shallow principles... are none at all.



    The fields in the South were able to survive post 1923 w/o reverting to illegal policies...   Go re-read the article again if you don't understand the significance of that date.


    It's obvious the felons are less productive than the illegals.... but is that any reason to disregard laws.   



    no, you don't get it, at least not my point.  i'm not saying what they should or shouldn't do.  the point is so many people want to say, just send them back to mexico, but if you take that position (we won't go into the impossibility of that proposition here) the point is because these illegals have been here so long and are ingrained in our economy, there is a significant cost to taking that position.

    additionally, my opinion is using prisoners in georgia will not work very well.  let's see if time will prove me wrong.  i also believe florida will back off in instituting the same tough immigration policy after seeing the tremendous cost to georgia.  let's see if time proves me wrong.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:


    no, you don't get it, at least not my point.  i'm not saying what they should or shouldn't do.  the point is so many people want to say, just send them back to mexico, but if you take that position (we won't go into the impossibility of that proposition here) the point is because these illegals have been here so long and are ingrained in our economy, there is a significant cost to taking that position.

    additionally, my opinion is using prisoners in georgia will not work very well.  let's see if time will prove me wrong.  i also believe florida will back off in instituting the same tough immigration policy after seeing the tremendous cost to georgia.  let's see if time proves me wrong.  



    What difference does it make if they were here 10 days, or 10 years.  Illegal is illegal.

    Like I said earlier , some of you have no principles.

     


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    no, you don't get it, at least not my point.  i'm not saying what they should or shouldn't do.  the point is so many people want to say, just send them back to mexico, but if you take that position (we won't go into the impossibility of that proposition here) the point is because these illegals have been here so long and are ingrained in our economy, there is a significant cost to taking that position.

    additionally, my opinion is using prisoners in georgia will not work very well.  let's see if time will prove me wrong.  i also believe florida will back off in instituting the same tough immigration policy after seeing the tremendous cost to georgia.  let's see if time proves me wrong.  



    What difference does it make if they were here 10 days, or 10 years.  Illegal is illegal.

    Like I said earlier , some of you have no principles.

     


     
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    What difference does it make if they were here 10 days, or 10 years.  Illegal is illegal.

    Like I said earlier , some of you have no principles.

     




    the difference is critical to the point of this thread- that tough immigration laws come at a significant cost.  if they were just here 10 days, they wouldn't be such a significant part of certain key aspects of our economy.  but, since they have been here for well over 10 years, they are and many segments of our economy are dependent upon their cheap labor, especialy now, so the cost of these tough immigration policies will be so much greater.  as a result, i believe florida, which has many more illegals and a bigger agricultural (and construction) industry than georgia, will backtrack on its intention to enact a similar law.  we shall see if i'm right.  

    as to your other comment, i haven't expressed any principles in this thread, only opinions about what i believe is the financial downside to such policies.  i could discuss my problem with these anti-immigration ultra-liberals who want to waste hundreds of billions of dollars on the "send them all back to mexico" position, but that's really another issue that has already been discussed in various threads.  
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    What difference does it make if they were here 10 days, or 10 years.  Illegal is illegal.

    Like I said earlier , some of you have no principles.

     




    the difference is critical to the point of this thread- that tough immigration laws come at a significant cost.  if they were just here 10 days, they wouldn't be such a significant part of certain key aspects of our economy.  but, since they have been here for well over 10 years, they are and many segments of our economy are dependent upon their cheap labor, especialy now, so the cost of these tough immigration policies will be so much greater.  as a result, i believe florida, which has many more illegals and a bigger agricultural (and construction) industry than georgia, will backtrack on its intention to enact a similar law.  we shall see if i'm right.  

    as to your other comment, i haven't expressed any principles in this thread, only opinions about what i believe is the financial downside to such policies.  i could discuss my problem with these anti-immigration ultra-liberals who want to waste hundreds of billions of dollars on the "send them all back to mexico" position, but that's really another issue that has already been discussed in various threads.  
     
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    Tough shit, Club.. Southern farmers learned to adapt when  their slaves were freed following the Civil War.    They'll learn to adjust again.    Adapt and move forward.   It's what we do as a society.


    To the second point, you have "indirectly" messaged to all of us how shallow your principles are. 

    Your statements "infer" you would overlook the enforcement of immigration laws, for concern over Georgia's Economy. 


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    Tough shit, Club.. Southern farmers learned to adapt when  their slaves were freed following the Civil War.    They'll learn to adjust again.    Adapt and move forward.   It's what we do as a society.


    To the second point, you have "indirectly" messaged to all of us how shallow your principles are. 

    Your statements "infer" you would overlook the enforcement of immigration laws, for concern over Georgia's Economy. 


     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Tough shit, Club.. Southern farmers learned to adapt when  their slaves were freed following the Civil War.    They'll learn to adjust again.    Adapt and move forward.   It's what we do as a society.


    To the second point, you have "indirectly" messaged to all of us how shallow your principles are. 

    Your statements "infer" you would overlook the enforcement of immigration laws, for concern over Georgia's Economy. 



    i agree, it is tough shit for the people in georgia agriculture.  they employed these illegals and they pay the price if they enforce the laws.  of course, the increased costs will be pased on to the consumer but the industry will still get hurt.

    as to your second point, you're making an assumption about my position on immigration that is not accurate.  i've posted a lot on immigration.  i'm very familiar with the issue for several reasons.  i believe the immigration laws serve an important purpose and should be enforced.  that's become a pipe dream now but that's another issue.  but ideally, i don't think anyone should be here illegally and i think our porous border is very disturbing and dangerous.  

    the purpose of this thread was to illustrate the cost of tough immigration laws at this late stage, which isn't often quantified when people discuss the issue.  also, i wanted to to give my opinion that other states like florida that talk tough about enacting tough immigration laws will back off due to financial concerns.  that opinion will be proven right or wrong in time.

    you're attributing principles to my position but no principles have been expressed in this thread until this post. 

    however, in my opinion and based on all i've seen, the economics of the immigration issue ensure that nothing effective will ever be done to solve this problem.  that window closed many years ago.  
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    Tough shit, Club.. Southern farmers learned to adapt when  their slaves were freed following the Civil War.    They'll learn to adjust again.    Adapt and move forward.   It's what we do as a society.


    To the second point, you have "indirectly" messaged to all of us how shallow your principles are. 

    Your statements "infer" you would overlook the enforcement of immigration laws, for concern over Georgia's Economy. 



    i agree, it is tough shit for the people in georgia agriculture.  they employed these illegals and they pay the price if they enforce the laws.  of course, the increased costs will be pased on to the consumer but the industry will still get hurt.

    as to your second point, you're making an assumption about my position on immigration that is not accurate.  i've posted a lot on immigration.  i'm very familiar with the issue for several reasons.  i believe the immigration laws serve an important purpose and should be enforced.  that's become a pipe dream now but that's another issue.  but ideally, i don't think anyone should be here illegally and i think our porous border is very disturbing and dangerous.  

    the purpose of this thread was to illustrate the cost of tough immigration laws at this late stage, which isn't often quantified when people discuss the issue.  also, i wanted to to give my opinion that other states like florida that talk tough about enacting tough immigration laws will back off due to financial concerns.  that opinion will be proven right or wrong in time.

    you're attributing principles to my position but no principles have been expressed in this thread until this post. 

    however, in my opinion and based on all i've seen, the economics of the immigration issue ensure that nothing effective will ever be done to solve this problem.  that window closed many years ago.  
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