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    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok. This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both. Ohhh really? Lincoln wasn't a Republican? The Democratic South didn't vote to succeed the Union? Take a look at this link for more truths you are not ready for. The Democratic Party's History of Racism (politicsphere.com)

    Yeah the article you linked is BS too.The Republican writer conveniently left out Northern Democrats, strongly opposed slavery, segregation, which led to the Civil War, and complete shift of the political party system. So no today's modern Democratic Party is not the party slavery or the KKK. You have to be completely lost or uneducated to push that false narrative. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok. This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both. Ohhh really? Lincoln wasn't a Republican? The Democratic South didn't vote to succeed the Union? Take a look at this link for more truths you are not ready for. The Democratic Party's History of Racism (politicsphere.com)

    Yeah the article you linked is BS too.The Republican writer conveniently left out Northern Democrats, strongly opposed slavery, segregation, which led to the Civil War, and complete shift of the political party system. So no today's modern Democratic Party is not the party slavery or the KKK. You have to be completely lost or uneducated to push that false narrative. an_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok. This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both. Ohhh really? Lincoln wasn't a Republican? The Democratic South didn't vote to succeed the Union? Take a look at this link for more truths you are not ready for. The Democratic Party's History of Racism (politicsphere.com)

    So how does this "Democratic South" vote today??? an_light

    Have voters in the Deep South across Louisiana, Alabama, Arkansa, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida consistently been making those states Blue in elections over the last 60-70 years??? Hmmmm. Pretty sure those states remain Red. confused How could that be? I thought Southern Democrats were the same as today's modern Democratic Party? Weird that those states wouldn't be Blue. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok. This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both. Ohhh really? Lincoln wasn't a Republican? The Democratic South didn't vote to succeed the Union? Take a look at this link for more truths you are not ready for. The Democratic Party's History of Racism (politicsphere.com)

    So how does this "Democratic South" vote today??? an_light

    Have voters in the Deep South across Louisiana, Alabama, Arkansa, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida consistently been making those states Blue in elections over the last 60-70 years??? Hmmmm. Pretty sure those states remain Red. confused How could that be? I thought Southern Democrats were the same as today's modern Democratic Party? Weird that those states wouldn't be Blue. an_light

     
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    Are you really this dense? Both the article, Jarret and myself talk about the roots of the Democratic party. Given that minorities are more Democratic than Republic I really hope they wouldn't vote NOW for slavery to be upheld. Give me a break dude. You are something else.

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    Are you really this dense? Both the article, Jarret and myself talk about the roots of the Democratic party. Given that minorities are more Democratic than Republic I really hope they wouldn't vote NOW for slavery to be upheld. Give me a break dude. You are something else.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    @DeezyAZ81 Are you really this dense? Both the article, Jarret and myself talk about the roots of the Democratic party. Given that minorities are more Democratic than Republic I really hope they wouldn't vote for slavery to be upheld. Give me a break dude. You are something else.

    You do not know American history and you got called on it. Just admit it. Yet, you have the nerve to claim I am dense?? an_roll_laughThe roots of Southern Democrats are the roots of today's Republican Party, not today's Democratic Party. But again, Northern Democrats and Southern Democrats fought in the Civil War as it was not a unified party, which either you do not know or choose to ignore. 

    Both you and Jarrett, are tying to link today's Democrats to slave owning, racist, Southern Democratic states from the pre-Civil War era that are all strongly, red Republican states today still clinging to some of those old traditional Southern values, which is clearly moronic and false. an_lightpeace_5

    The educated ones in here know what you and Jarrett are trying to do, and it is NOT going to work. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    @DeezyAZ81 Are you really this dense? Both the article, Jarret and myself talk about the roots of the Democratic party. Given that minorities are more Democratic than Republic I really hope they wouldn't vote for slavery to be upheld. Give me a break dude. You are something else.

    You do not know American history and you got called on it. Just admit it. Yet, you have the nerve to claim I am dense?? an_roll_laughThe roots of Southern Democrats are the roots of today's Republican Party, not today's Democratic Party. But again, Northern Democrats and Southern Democrats fought in the Civil War as it was not a unified party, which either you do not know or choose to ignore. 

    Both you and Jarrett, are tying to link today's Democrats to slave owning, racist, Southern Democratic states from the pre-Civil War era that are all strongly, red Republican states today still clinging to some of those old traditional Southern values, which is clearly moronic and false. an_lightpeace_5

    The educated ones in here know what you and Jarrett are trying to do, and it is NOT going to work. peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269: @DeezyAZ81 Are you really this dense? Both the article, Jarret and myself talk about the roots of the Democratic party. Given that minorities are more Democratic than Republic I really hope they wouldn't vote for slavery to be upheld. Give me a break dude. You are something else. You do not know American history and you got called on it. Just admit it. Yet, you have the nerve to claim I am dense?? The roots of Southern Democrats are the roots of today's Republican Party, not today's Democratic Party. But again, Northern Democrats and Southern Democrats fought in the Civil War as it was not a unified party, which either you do not know or choose to ignore.  Both you and Jarrett, are tying to link today's Democrats to slave owning, racist, Southern Democratic states from the pre-Civil War era that are all strongly, red Republican states today still clinging to some of those old traditional Southern values, which is clearly moronic and false.  The educated ones in here know what you and Jarrett are trying to do, and it is NOT going to work.

    Even attempting to push that false narrative on Juneteenth of all days is actually disgusting and says a lot about you and Jarrett. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269: @DeezyAZ81 Are you really this dense? Both the article, Jarret and myself talk about the roots of the Democratic party. Given that minorities are more Democratic than Republic I really hope they wouldn't vote for slavery to be upheld. Give me a break dude. You are something else. You do not know American history and you got called on it. Just admit it. Yet, you have the nerve to claim I am dense?? The roots of Southern Democrats are the roots of today's Republican Party, not today's Democratic Party. But again, Northern Democrats and Southern Democrats fought in the Civil War as it was not a unified party, which either you do not know or choose to ignore.  Both you and Jarrett, are tying to link today's Democrats to slave owning, racist, Southern Democratic states from the pre-Civil War era that are all strongly, red Republican states today still clinging to some of those old traditional Southern values, which is clearly moronic and false.  The educated ones in here know what you and Jarrett are trying to do, and it is NOT going to work.

    Even attempting to push that false narrative on Juneteenth of all days is actually disgusting and says a lot about you and Jarrett. an_light

     
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    “The Butcher Forrest,” detail from Leaders of the Democratic Party, wood engraving by Thomas Nast, 1868 | U.S. Capitol - Visitor Center (visitthecapitol.gov)

     

    After the Civil War, Nathan Bedford Forrest helped found the Ku Klux Klan and was active in the Democratic Party. an_light

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    “The Butcher Forrest,” detail from Leaders of the Democratic Party, wood engraving by Thomas Nast, 1868 | U.S. Capitol - Visitor Center (visitthecapitol.gov)

     

    After the Civil War, Nathan Bedford Forrest helped found the Ku Klux Klan and was active in the Democratic Party. an_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:

    “The Butcher Forrest,” detail from Leaders of the Democratic Party, wood engraving by Thomas Nast, 1868 | U.S. Capitol - Visitor Center (visitthecapitol.gov)   After the Civil War, Nathan Bedford Forrest helped found the Ku Klux Klan and was active in the Democratic Party.

    Awesome. Any newspaper clippings on any of the Northern Democrats that fought against slavery, racism, segregation, and Jim Crow? 

    Any headlines on the Peace Democrats or Copperhead Democrats from the North that fought against the KKK and Southern Democrats???? 

    No? Hmmmm. I wonder why. Could it be that you are trying to push a false or incomplete narrative??? an_light

    You think members of the KKK today support the current Democratic Party and are voting Blue??? Why not, same party as 200 years ago right??? an_light

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    “The Butcher Forrest,” detail from Leaders of the Democratic Party, wood engraving by Thomas Nast, 1868 | U.S. Capitol - Visitor Center (visitthecapitol.gov)   After the Civil War, Nathan Bedford Forrest helped found the Ku Klux Klan and was active in the Democratic Party.

    Awesome. Any newspaper clippings on any of the Northern Democrats that fought against slavery, racism, segregation, and Jim Crow? 

    Any headlines on the Peace Democrats or Copperhead Democrats from the North that fought against the KKK and Southern Democrats???? 

    No? Hmmmm. I wonder why. Could it be that you are trying to push a false or incomplete narrative??? an_light

    You think members of the KKK today support the current Democratic Party and are voting Blue??? Why not, same party as 200 years ago right??? an_light

     
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    The Compromise of 1877 to gain Southern support in the presidential election (a corrupt bargain) resulted in the government withdrawing the last of the federal troops from the South. White Democrats had regained political power in every Southern state. These Southern, white, "Redeemer" governments legislated Jim Crow laws, officially segregating the country's population. Jim Crow laws were a manifestation of authoritarian rule specifically directed at one racial group.

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    The Compromise of 1877 to gain Southern support in the presidential election (a corrupt bargain) resulted in the government withdrawing the last of the federal troops from the South. White Democrats had regained political power in every Southern state. These Southern, white, "Redeemer" governments legislated Jim Crow laws, officially segregating the country's population. Jim Crow laws were a manifestation of authoritarian rule specifically directed at one racial group.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok. This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both.

    I think you shouldn't be permitted to post here. You can't read and what you post is false. The words you are looking for are, I'm sorry, you are correct Jarrett peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok. This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both.

    I think you shouldn't be permitted to post here. You can't read and what you post is false. The words you are looking for are, I'm sorry, you are correct Jarrett peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:

    The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Jim Crow Stories . Democratic Party | PBS (thirteen.org)   The Compromise of 1877 to gain Southern support in the presidential election (a corrupt bargain) resulted in the government withdrawing the last of the federal troops from the South. White Democrats had regained political power in every Southern state. These Southern, white, "Redeemer" governments legislated Jim Crow laws, officially segregating the country's population. Jim Crow laws were a manifestation of authoritarian rule specifically directed at one racial group.

     

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-democratic-party-did-not-found-kkk-start-civil-war/3253803001/

    Princeton University Edwards Professor of American History Tera Hunter told USA TODAY that this trope is a fallback argument used to discredit current Democratic Party policies.

    “At the core of the effort to discredit the current Democratic Party is the refusal to accept the realignment of the party structure in the mid-20th century,” Hunt said.

     

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    The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Jim Crow Stories . Democratic Party | PBS (thirteen.org)   The Compromise of 1877 to gain Southern support in the presidential election (a corrupt bargain) resulted in the government withdrawing the last of the federal troops from the South. White Democrats had regained political power in every Southern state. These Southern, white, "Redeemer" governments legislated Jim Crow laws, officially segregating the country's population. Jim Crow laws were a manifestation of authoritarian rule specifically directed at one racial group.

     

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-democratic-party-did-not-found-kkk-start-civil-war/3253803001/

    Princeton University Edwards Professor of American History Tera Hunter told USA TODAY that this trope is a fallback argument used to discredit current Democratic Party policies.

    “At the core of the effort to discredit the current Democratic Party is the refusal to accept the realignment of the party structure in the mid-20th century,” Hunt said.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok. This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both. I think you shouldn't be permitted to post here. You can't read and what you post is false. The words you are looking for are, I'm sorry, you are correct Jarrett

     

    "Today's "Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. 

    You conveniently left out the first word of my sentence. You think you are slick, and I know what you are trying to attempt, and it is not working.

    I like how you could not refute or address any of my questions about the anti-slavery, anti-racist, Union protecting Northern Democrats that fought against Southern Democrats in the civil war. Again, this just shows me that you either do not know anything about U.S. history, or simply choose to ignore it to push your ignorant narrative.

    Again, I would love if you could answer this for me. Do members of today's Deep South, and white supremacist groups like the KKK vote Blue and overwhelming support the modern Democratic Party??? I am wondering why you refuse to answer these questions??

    There are no linkages between Southern Democrats that ruled the deep South 200 years ago and today's Democratic Party. Seriously, not a single linkage. Get a clue. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok. This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both. I think you shouldn't be permitted to post here. You can't read and what you post is false. The words you are looking for are, I'm sorry, you are correct Jarrett

     

    "Today's "Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. 

    You conveniently left out the first word of my sentence. You think you are slick, and I know what you are trying to attempt, and it is not working.

    I like how you could not refute or address any of my questions about the anti-slavery, anti-racist, Union protecting Northern Democrats that fought against Southern Democrats in the civil war. Again, this just shows me that you either do not know anything about U.S. history, or simply choose to ignore it to push your ignorant narrative.

    Again, I would love if you could answer this for me. Do members of today's Deep South, and white supremacist groups like the KKK vote Blue and overwhelming support the modern Democratic Party??? I am wondering why you refuse to answer these questions??

    There are no linkages between Southern Democrats that ruled the deep South 200 years ago and today's Democratic Party. Seriously, not a single linkage. Get a clue. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Jim Crow Stories . Democratic Party | PBS (thirteen.org)   The Compromise of 1877 to gain Southern support in the presidential election (a corrupt bargain) resulted in the government withdrawing the last of the federal troops from the South. White Democrats had regained political power in every Southern state. These Southern, white, "Redeemer" governments legislated Jim Crow laws, officially segregating the country's population. Jim Crow laws were a manifestation of authoritarian rule specifically directed at one racial group.   https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-democratic-party-did-not-found-kkk-start-civil-war/3253803001/ Princeton University Edwards Professor of American History Tera Hunter told USA TODAY that this trope is a fallback argument used to discredit current Democratic Party policies. “At the core of the effort to discredit the current Democratic Party is the refusal to accept the realignment of the party structure in the mid-20th century,” Hunt said.

    .org > that leftist rag no one buys USA TODAY. If it wasn't for George Soros and other far left funding, that would have been dead a long time ago. It and the majority of the media is only here to spread false information. But good try. Still waiting for my apology. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Jim Crow Stories . Democratic Party | PBS (thirteen.org)   The Compromise of 1877 to gain Southern support in the presidential election (a corrupt bargain) resulted in the government withdrawing the last of the federal troops from the South. White Democrats had regained political power in every Southern state. These Southern, white, "Redeemer" governments legislated Jim Crow laws, officially segregating the country's population. Jim Crow laws were a manifestation of authoritarian rule specifically directed at one racial group.   https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-democratic-party-did-not-found-kkk-start-civil-war/3253803001/ Princeton University Edwards Professor of American History Tera Hunter told USA TODAY that this trope is a fallback argument used to discredit current Democratic Party policies. “At the core of the effort to discredit the current Democratic Party is the refusal to accept the realignment of the party structure in the mid-20th century,” Hunt said.

    .org > that leftist rag no one buys USA TODAY. If it wasn't for George Soros and other far left funding, that would have been dead a long time ago. It and the majority of the media is only here to spread false information. But good try. Still waiting for my apology. peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Jim Crow Stories . Democratic Party | PBS (thirteen.org)   The Compromise of 1877 to gain Southern support in the presidential election (a corrupt bargain) resulted in the government withdrawing the last of the federal troops from the South. White Democrats had regained political power in every Southern state. These Southern, white, "Redeemer" governments legislated Jim Crow laws, officially segregating the country's population. Jim Crow laws were a manifestation of authoritarian rule specifically directed at one racial group.   https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-democratic-party-did-not-found-kkk-start-civil-war/3253803001/ Princeton University Edwards Professor of American History Tera Hunter told USA TODAY that this trope is a fallback argument used to discredit current Democratic Party policies. “At the core of the effort to discredit the current Democratic Party is the refusal to accept the realignment of the party structure in the mid-20th century,” Hunt said. .org > that leftist rag no one buys USA TODAY. If it wasn't for George Soros and other far left funding, that would have been dead a long time ago. It and the majority of the media is only here to spread false information. But good try. Still waiting for my apology.

    The good old Republican favorite.... George Soros. Love it. Keep em coming Tox. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Jim Crow Stories . Democratic Party | PBS (thirteen.org)   The Compromise of 1877 to gain Southern support in the presidential election (a corrupt bargain) resulted in the government withdrawing the last of the federal troops from the South. White Democrats had regained political power in every Southern state. These Southern, white, "Redeemer" governments legislated Jim Crow laws, officially segregating the country's population. Jim Crow laws were a manifestation of authoritarian rule specifically directed at one racial group.   https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-democratic-party-did-not-found-kkk-start-civil-war/3253803001/ Princeton University Edwards Professor of American History Tera Hunter told USA TODAY that this trope is a fallback argument used to discredit current Democratic Party policies. “At the core of the effort to discredit the current Democratic Party is the refusal to accept the realignment of the party structure in the mid-20th century,” Hunt said. .org > that leftist rag no one buys USA TODAY. If it wasn't for George Soros and other far left funding, that would have been dead a long time ago. It and the majority of the media is only here to spread false information. But good try. Still waiting for my apology.

    The good old Republican favorite.... George Soros. Love it. Keep em coming Tox. 

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    https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties

    "The Democratic and Republican Parties have not always had the same ideals that they have today. In fact, America's two dominant political parties have essentially flipped ideologies in the time since they were founded.

    The Democratic Party was founded in 1828 while the Republican Party dates back to 1854.

    In its early years, the Republican Party was considered quite liberal, while the Democrats were known for staunch conservatism. This is the exact opposite of how each party would be described today.

    This change did not happen overnight, however. Instead, it was a slow set of changes and policies that caused the great switch."

     

    This will also help you further your education on the history of the Republican and Democratic and ideological transitions, which clearly you know nothing about. peace_5 I can only provide you with the information, it is up to you to accept it, want to learn, and become more educated. Ultimately, you have to want to be better. an_light

     

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    "The Democratic and Republican Parties have not always had the same ideals that they have today. In fact, America's two dominant political parties have essentially flipped ideologies in the time since they were founded.

    The Democratic Party was founded in 1828 while the Republican Party dates back to 1854.

    In its early years, the Republican Party was considered quite liberal, while the Democrats were known for staunch conservatism. This is the exact opposite of how each party would be described today.

    This change did not happen overnight, however. Instead, it was a slow set of changes and policies that caused the great switch."

     

    This will also help you further your education on the history of the Republican and Democratic and ideological transitions, which clearly you know nothing about. peace_5 I can only provide you with the information, it is up to you to accept it, want to learn, and become more educated. Ultimately, you have to want to be better. an_light

     

     
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    Ideologies of the Past

    At the outbreak of the Civil War, Republicans controlled the majority of northern states. The party sought to expand the United States, encouraged settlement of the west, and helped to fund the transcontinental railroad and state universities. Additionally, because of growing tension over slavery, many Republicans became abolitionists who argued against slavery.

    Democrats represented a range of views but shared a commitment to Thomas Jefferson's concept of an agrarian (farming) society. They viewed the central government as the enemy of individual liberty. Because most Democrats were in southern states, they fought to keep slavery legal.

    As the war came to a close, the Republican Party controlled the government and used its power to protect formerly enslaved people and guarantee them civil rights. This included the three Reconstruction Amendments, which won Republicans the loyalty (and vote) of America's Black population. Unsurprisingly, most Democrats disapproved of these measures.

    However, a change had begun in the Republican Party following the Civil War. Northern industrialists had grown rich from the war, and many entered politics afterwards.

    These new wealthy politicians did not see much sense in supporting the rights of Black Americans when the nation was still largely white. By the 1870s, many in the Republican Party felt that they had done enough for Black citizens and stopped all efforts to reform the southern states.

    The south was left to the white Democrats and their oppressive policies towards Black citizens after the Compromise of 1877 ended Reconstruction. With the end of Reconstruction, the "Solid South" voted for Democratic presidential candidates for the next 44 years.

    Race and equality began to return to the center of politics in the 1950s and 1960s. Race did not necessarily fall into a party viewpoint at this point; instead, it was more of a regional issue. Southern Democrats and Republicans both opposed the early Civil Rights Movement, while Northern Democrats and Republicans began to support legislation as the movement picked up steam.

    In 1964, Democratic president Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law. In the 1964 election, Republican candidate Barry Goldwater publicly opposed the new law, arguing that it expanded the power of the federal government to a dangerous level.

    It was this argument that led to a final, decisive switch. Black voters, who had historically been loyal to the Republican Party because of the 1866 Civil Rights Act, had already been switching to the Democratic Party.

    However, upon hearing Goldwater’s argument against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the majority of Black voters left the Republican Party in favor of the Democrats. They saw the Democratic Party as advocates for equality and justice, while the Republicans were too concerned with keeping the status quo in America.

    As the 60s and 70s continued, Democrats sought reform in other places, such as abortion and school prayer. White southern Democrats began to resent how much the Democratic Party was intervening into the rights of the people.

    By the 1980s, white southern Democrats had become Republicans, and the majority of the south was now Republican. The Republican Party now is solidly conservative while the Democratic Party is the liberal one.

     

    History, pretty much contradicts the entire narrative you are failing to push. 

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    At the outbreak of the Civil War, Republicans controlled the majority of northern states. The party sought to expand the United States, encouraged settlement of the west, and helped to fund the transcontinental railroad and state universities. Additionally, because of growing tension over slavery, many Republicans became abolitionists who argued against slavery.

    Democrats represented a range of views but shared a commitment to Thomas Jefferson's concept of an agrarian (farming) society. They viewed the central government as the enemy of individual liberty. Because most Democrats were in southern states, they fought to keep slavery legal.

    As the war came to a close, the Republican Party controlled the government and used its power to protect formerly enslaved people and guarantee them civil rights. This included the three Reconstruction Amendments, which won Republicans the loyalty (and vote) of America's Black population. Unsurprisingly, most Democrats disapproved of these measures.

    However, a change had begun in the Republican Party following the Civil War. Northern industrialists had grown rich from the war, and many entered politics afterwards.

    These new wealthy politicians did not see much sense in supporting the rights of Black Americans when the nation was still largely white. By the 1870s, many in the Republican Party felt that they had done enough for Black citizens and stopped all efforts to reform the southern states.

    The south was left to the white Democrats and their oppressive policies towards Black citizens after the Compromise of 1877 ended Reconstruction. With the end of Reconstruction, the "Solid South" voted for Democratic presidential candidates for the next 44 years.

    Race and equality began to return to the center of politics in the 1950s and 1960s. Race did not necessarily fall into a party viewpoint at this point; instead, it was more of a regional issue. Southern Democrats and Republicans both opposed the early Civil Rights Movement, while Northern Democrats and Republicans began to support legislation as the movement picked up steam.

    In 1964, Democratic president Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law. In the 1964 election, Republican candidate Barry Goldwater publicly opposed the new law, arguing that it expanded the power of the federal government to a dangerous level.

    It was this argument that led to a final, decisive switch. Black voters, who had historically been loyal to the Republican Party because of the 1866 Civil Rights Act, had already been switching to the Democratic Party.

    However, upon hearing Goldwater’s argument against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the majority of Black voters left the Republican Party in favor of the Democrats. They saw the Democratic Party as advocates for equality and justice, while the Republicans were too concerned with keeping the status quo in America.

    As the 60s and 70s continued, Democrats sought reform in other places, such as abortion and school prayer. White southern Democrats began to resent how much the Democratic Party was intervening into the rights of the people.

    By the 1980s, white southern Democrats had become Republicans, and the majority of the south was now Republican. The Republican Party now is solidly conservative while the Democratic Party is the liberal one.

     

    History, pretty much contradicts the entire narrative you are failing to push. 

     
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    "Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok." There is my post once again. Tell me what lie I told.

     

    This would be a great investment for you. I wish you luck. peace_5

     

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    "Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok." There is my post once again. Tell me what lie I told.

     

    This would be a great investment for you. I wish you luck. peace_5

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:

    "Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok." There is my post once again. Tell me what lie I told.   This would be a great investment for you. I wish you luck.    "-At" Sound - Hooked on Phonics: Learn to Read Level 3 - YouTube

     

    Your first sentence highlighted is not factual and simply based on your personal biased opinion. The second sentence simply ignores history and falsely makes connection between today's modern Democratic Party with Southern Democrats from 175 years ago. Members of today's Democratic Party were not a part of the KKK or Jim Crow. Not a single one was alive when either was created, so again another lie. Third sentence is again another biased based opinion. 

    In 1964, Democratic president Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law. In the 1964 election, Republican candidate Barry Goldwater publicly opposed the new law, arguing that it expanded the power of the federal government to a dangerous level.

    Pretty much the entire paragraph is lies or based on biased, partisan opinion. an_light 

    That Democratic president Lyndon B. Johnson was such a racist he signed that Civil Rights Act into law ultimately attempting to end Jim Crow laws in the South. What a racist he was! 

    Tell me anything I said about American history that is a lie in any of my posts??an_light

    You clearly lack reading comprehension and critical thinking skills needed to understand U.S. history, and the restructuring of political parties during the last 175 years. Apparently, you think history is static and nothing changes over time. The true sign of a simp. an_lightpeace_5

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    "Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok." There is my post once again. Tell me what lie I told.   This would be a great investment for you. I wish you luck.    "-At" Sound - Hooked on Phonics: Learn to Read Level 3 - YouTube

     

    Your first sentence highlighted is not factual and simply based on your personal biased opinion. The second sentence simply ignores history and falsely makes connection between today's modern Democratic Party with Southern Democrats from 175 years ago. Members of today's Democratic Party were not a part of the KKK or Jim Crow. Not a single one was alive when either was created, so again another lie. Third sentence is again another biased based opinion. 

    In 1964, Democratic president Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law. In the 1964 election, Republican candidate Barry Goldwater publicly opposed the new law, arguing that it expanded the power of the federal government to a dangerous level.

    Pretty much the entire paragraph is lies or based on biased, partisan opinion. an_light 

    That Democratic president Lyndon B. Johnson was such a racist he signed that Civil Rights Act into law ultimately attempting to end Jim Crow laws in the South. What a racist he was! 

    Tell me anything I said about American history that is a lie in any of my posts??an_light

    You clearly lack reading comprehension and critical thinking skills needed to understand U.S. history, and the restructuring of political parties during the last 175 years. Apparently, you think history is static and nothing changes over time. The true sign of a simp. an_lightpeace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    @KellyM_1964 Today, Google's doodle in it's home page is celebrating the Juneteenth.  https://www.google.com/doodles/juneteenth-2023

     

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    @KellyM_1964 Today, Google's doodle in it's home page is celebrating the Juneteenth.  https://www.google.com/doodles/juneteenth-2023

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    @KellyM_1964 Today, Google's doodle in it's home page is celebrating the Juneteenth.  https://www.google.com/doodles/juneteenth-2023

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75 aka gambleholic63: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok.

     

    This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75 aka gambleholic63: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok.

     

    This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: in time we shall overcome most racism in this country   not in our lifetime      but eventually  President Biden declares Juneteenth a federal holiday    Juneteenth (officially Juneteenth National Independence Day) is a federal holiday in the US commemorating the emancipation of enslaved African Americans. Deriving its name from combining June and nineteenth, it is celebrated on the anniversary of the order by Major General Gordon Granger proclaiming freedom for slaves in Texas on June 19, 1865.   FREEDOM!!!! @fubah2  any activities going on for this occasion at your veterans group ?

    Yes, just got back!   Quite a good day! 

    It was almost unanimous  there that today's MAGA-republican party is the party of bigotry & racism -- far nore than any other and by a long shot.  Our large group of vets (very few republicans) demonstrated against the rightwing party of racists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: in time we shall overcome most racism in this country   not in our lifetime      but eventually  President Biden declares Juneteenth a federal holiday    Juneteenth (officially Juneteenth National Independence Day) is a federal holiday in the US commemorating the emancipation of enslaved African Americans. Deriving its name from combining June and nineteenth, it is celebrated on the anniversary of the order by Major General Gordon Granger proclaiming freedom for slaves in Texas on June 19, 1865.   FREEDOM!!!! @fubah2  any activities going on for this occasion at your veterans group ?

    Yes, just got back!   Quite a good day! 

    It was almost unanimous  there that today's MAGA-republican party is the party of bigotry & racism -- far nore than any other and by a long shot.  Our large group of vets (very few republicans) demonstrated against the rightwing party of racists.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

      no today's modern Democratic Party is not the party slavery or the KKK. You have to be completely lost or uneducated to push that false narrative.

     

    Correct, DeezyAZ my friend.peace_5

    There are two separate things in play there which tends to confuse those not well educated and/or the brainwashed partisans (either side)

    1/    name of a political party

    2/   the ideology of the people forming a political party

     

    Today, Democrats are overwhelmingly LIBERALS, and Republicans are overwhelmingly CONSERVATIVES.

    But back in our history, those with a collective LIBERAL ideology got together and called themselves Republicans, while those with a collective CONSERVATIVE ideology (attracting bigots and racists) called themselves Democrats.  Over time, and for a few reasons, the conservatives migrated to the republican party and the liberals migrated to the Democrat party -- which stands today.   In effect, the switched parties.

    While it is technically true to say the Democrats were instrumental in starting the KKK, it is also true - and far more importantly than a mere name - that the ideology of those starting the KKK were in fact CONSERVATIVES (ie, with a very large proportion of bigots and disgusting racists -- just like today)

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      no today's modern Democratic Party is not the party slavery or the KKK. You have to be completely lost or uneducated to push that false narrative.

     

    Correct, DeezyAZ my friend.peace_5

    There are two separate things in play there which tends to confuse those not well educated and/or the brainwashed partisans (either side)

    1/    name of a political party

    2/   the ideology of the people forming a political party

     

    Today, Democrats are overwhelmingly LIBERALS, and Republicans are overwhelmingly CONSERVATIVES.

    But back in our history, those with a collective LIBERAL ideology got together and called themselves Republicans, while those with a collective CONSERVATIVE ideology (attracting bigots and racists) called themselves Democrats.  Over time, and for a few reasons, the conservatives migrated to the republican party and the liberals migrated to the Democrat party -- which stands today.   In effect, the switched parties.

    While it is technically true to say the Democrats were instrumental in starting the KKK, it is also true - and far more importantly than a mere name - that the ideology of those starting the KKK were in fact CONSERVATIVES (ie, with a very large proportion of bigots and disgusting racists -- just like today)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:   no today's modern Democratic Party is not the party slavery or the KKK. You have to be completely lost or uneducated to push that false narrative.   Correct, DeezyAZ my friend. There are two separate things in play there which tends to confuse those not well educated and/or the brainwashed partisans (either side) 1/    name of a political party 2/   the ideology of the people forming a political party   Today, Democrats are overwhelmingly LIBERALS, and Republicans are overwhelmingly CONSERVATIVES. But back in our history, those with a collective LIBERAL ideology got together and called themselves Republicans, while those with a collective CONSERVATIVE ideology (attracting bigots and racists) called themselves Democrats.  Over time, and for a few reasons, the conservatives migrated to the republican party and the liberals migrated to the Democrat party -- which stands today.   In effect, the switched parties. While it is technically true to say the Democrats were instrumental in starting the KKK, it is also true - and far more importantly than a mere name - that the ideology of those starting the KKK were in fact CONSERVATIVES (ie, with a very large proportion of bigots and disgusting racists -- just like today)

    You are spot on Fubah.

    These idiots trying to push this Southern Democrats are today's modern Democratic Party that started the KKK do not even realize that Northern Democrats fought against Southern Democrats to preserve the union and eliminate the confederacy in the Civil War.

    They only bring up Southern Democrats to try to push a fake narrative, intentionally leaving out the part that Northern Democrats fought against slavery and injustice that the South tried to protect. So technically the divided Democrats from 175 years ago fought both for and against slavery, and hate groups like the KKK, depending on what region you were in (North Democrats v. South Democrats). Shows how truly uneducated these people really are. Just run with whatever they hear on the web or social media. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:   no today's modern Democratic Party is not the party slavery or the KKK. You have to be completely lost or uneducated to push that false narrative.   Correct, DeezyAZ my friend. There are two separate things in play there which tends to confuse those not well educated and/or the brainwashed partisans (either side) 1/    name of a political party 2/   the ideology of the people forming a political party   Today, Democrats are overwhelmingly LIBERALS, and Republicans are overwhelmingly CONSERVATIVES. But back in our history, those with a collective LIBERAL ideology got together and called themselves Republicans, while those with a collective CONSERVATIVE ideology (attracting bigots and racists) called themselves Democrats.  Over time, and for a few reasons, the conservatives migrated to the republican party and the liberals migrated to the Democrat party -- which stands today.   In effect, the switched parties. While it is technically true to say the Democrats were instrumental in starting the KKK, it is also true - and far more importantly than a mere name - that the ideology of those starting the KKK were in fact CONSERVATIVES (ie, with a very large proportion of bigots and disgusting racists -- just like today)

    You are spot on Fubah.

    These idiots trying to push this Southern Democrats are today's modern Democratic Party that started the KKK do not even realize that Northern Democrats fought against Southern Democrats to preserve the union and eliminate the confederacy in the Civil War.

    They only bring up Southern Democrats to try to push a fake narrative, intentionally leaving out the part that Northern Democrats fought against slavery and injustice that the South tried to protect. So technically the divided Democrats from 175 years ago fought both for and against slavery, and hate groups like the KKK, depending on what region you were in (North Democrats v. South Democrats). Shows how truly uneducated these people really are. Just run with whatever they hear on the web or social media. an_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:

    "Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok." There is my post once again. Tell me what lie I told.   This would be a great investment for you. I wish you luck.    "-At" Sound - Hooked on Phonics: Learn to Read Level 3 - YouTube

    I repeat, tell me what is incorrect here. The fact you have reading comprehension problem is not my fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:

    "Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok." There is my post once again. Tell me what lie I told.   This would be a great investment for you. I wish you luck.    "-At" Sound - Hooked on Phonics: Learn to Read Level 3 - YouTube

    I repeat, tell me what is incorrect here. The fact you have reading comprehension problem is not my fault.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75 aka gambleholic63: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok.   This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both.

    Wallstreet, isn't it time for Fubah to spend a little more time in the box. This is like the fourth person he's implied I was. I don't have any other names and had this one for nearly a couple decades. This looks to go against community standards. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75 aka gambleholic63: Democrats are some of the most racist people alive. First they were the original party of the KKK and Jim Crow laws. But nowadays if a black person is a conservative or Trump supporter, boy do they get a verbal beating, well some more than verbal. But as long as they stay in line with Democrats, they are ok.   This is some of the most ignorant $hit consistently spewed by today's Republicans. Clearly, you did not study or pass your U.S. history class. Today's Democratic Party is not the original party of the KKK or Jim Crow laws. You should not be permitted to post in this forum with that nonsense.  Seriously, read a book or get clue. Preferably both.

    Wallstreet, isn't it time for Fubah to spend a little more time in the box. This is like the fourth person he's implied I was. I don't have any other names and had this one for nearly a couple decades. This looks to go against community standards. 

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