as for the rest of the discussion mearly talking points the version does not start shifting costs .2020 in medicaid, as far as removeing government interference latest cbo reports 160 million americans recieve health insurance from the government that is 55% of all americans. not really going to stop this , basic health care coverage for all will be materilized. the end is no where near but it makes excellent fodder for msm and at least they have paused from trump is putin b@tch ... if so did putin get screwed in that deal we greased 55 russian military in the strike on syrains we showed how completely useless the sa 300 missle defense system is against the tomahawk missle and alot of orders have been suspended from moscows industrial missle defense complex.
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as for the rest of the discussion mearly talking points the version does not start shifting costs .2020 in medicaid, as far as removeing government interference latest cbo reports 160 million americans recieve health insurance from the government that is 55% of all americans. not really going to stop this , basic health care coverage for all will be materilized. the end is no where near but it makes excellent fodder for msm and at least they have paused from trump is putin b@tch ... if so did putin get screwed in that deal we greased 55 russian military in the strike on syrains we showed how completely useless the sa 300 missle defense system is against the tomahawk missle and alot of orders have been suspended from moscows industrial missle defense complex.
Now that they've broke for recess is it asking to much that they reach out to their constituents and ask what we want instead of what they think we want?
Gotta go pee!
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Now that they've broke for recess is it asking to much that they reach out to their constituents and ask what we want instead of what they think we want?
Now that they've broke for recess is it asking to much that they reach out to their constituents and ask what we want instead of what they think we want?
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Quote Originally Posted by idle_havoc:
Now that they've broke for recess is it asking to much that they reach out to their constituents and ask what we want instead of what they think we want?
Obamacare is still better than the old healthcare system by decreasing the number of uninsured. Not insuring everyone is among the reasons why US has the most unaffordable system in the world. Uncompensated healthcare and delaying care lead to higher costs for everyone.
Insuring everyone is a good investment from society's perspective according to health affaiirs. For example, improved productivity. Besides, lack of insurance is associated with about 45,000 deaths per year according to American journal of public health.
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Obamacare is still better than the old healthcare system by decreasing the number of uninsured. Not insuring everyone is among the reasons why US has the most unaffordable system in the world. Uncompensated healthcare and delaying care lead to higher costs for everyone.
Insuring everyone is a good investment from society's perspective according to health affaiirs. For example, improved productivity. Besides, lack of insurance is associated with about 45,000 deaths per year according to American journal of public health.
A trillion-dollar tax cut for the filthy rich blood-suckers paid for by throwing 22 million poor and middle-class people off health insurance.
Most Republican politicians are fxcking sociopathic scum.
Mitch McConnell and GOP Senate's Health Care Bill will pound their base and constituency hard. Mid to low income seniors in the age of 50-64, children, disable people... will get hurt the most under this Senate Health Care Bill. Those 22 million people who get punished by not wealthy enough, not exclude from the liberals or independents, many of them are Trump base.
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
A trillion-dollar tax cut for the filthy rich blood-suckers paid for by throwing 22 million poor and middle-class people off health insurance.
Most Republican politicians are fxcking sociopathic scum.
Mitch McConnell and GOP Senate's Health Care Bill will pound their base and constituency hard. Mid to low income seniors in the age of 50-64, children, disable people... will get hurt the most under this Senate Health Care Bill. Those 22 million people who get punished by not wealthy enough, not exclude from the liberals or independents, many of them are Trump base.
Obamacare is still better than the old healthcare system by decreasing the number of uninsured. Not insuring everyone is among the reasons why US has the most unaffordable system in the world. Uncompensated healthcare and delaying care lead to higher costs for everyone.
Insuring everyone is a good investment from society's perspective according to health affaiirs. For example, improved productivity. Besides, lack of insurance is associated with about 45,000 deaths per year according to American journal of public health.
Medical debt is the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy, it doesn't care if you are a Republican or Democratic.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Obamacare is still better than the old healthcare system by decreasing the number of uninsured. Not insuring everyone is among the reasons why US has the most unaffordable system in the world. Uncompensated healthcare and delaying care lead to higher costs for everyone.
Insuring everyone is a good investment from society's perspective according to health affaiirs. For example, improved productivity. Besides, lack of insurance is associated with about 45,000 deaths per year according to American journal of public health.
Medical debt is the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy, it doesn't care if you are a Republican or Democratic.
Obamacare is still better than the old healthcare system by decreasing the number of uninsured.
That's a lovely view ... and everyone wishes it was just that simple.
Unfortunately, Obamacare is not working.
Obamacare is failing.
Obamacare is not affordable.
Obamacare is not sustainable.
I've been on this planet since you had to get off the couch to change the channel, and then re-angle the tv antennas to get a better picture, or at least re-crimp the aluminum foil wrapped around them ... and the entire time I never once heard a single story of babies dying at the door of a hospital because they were uninsured.
Years went by, and either no babies were dying, or the media just decided it was not worth reporting ... then Obamacare was enacted, and he singlehandedly saved all these babies who ... were not dying!
Now Obamacare has proven to be a failure, but hey, he saved millions of babies who weren't dying.
To be clear, this is not a dem/repub issue.
The issue is much deeper than that
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Obamacare is still better than the old healthcare system by decreasing the number of uninsured.
That's a lovely view ... and everyone wishes it was just that simple.
Unfortunately, Obamacare is not working.
Obamacare is failing.
Obamacare is not affordable.
Obamacare is not sustainable.
I've been on this planet since you had to get off the couch to change the channel, and then re-angle the tv antennas to get a better picture, or at least re-crimp the aluminum foil wrapped around them ... and the entire time I never once heard a single story of babies dying at the door of a hospital because they were uninsured.
Years went by, and either no babies were dying, or the media just decided it was not worth reporting ... then Obamacare was enacted, and he singlehandedly saved all these babies who ... were not dying!
Now Obamacare has proven to be a failure, but hey, he saved millions of babies who weren't dying.
Former President Barack Obama is joining the demagogic slugfest against the GOP’s latest bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare. He claims the GOP bill would “ruin Medicaid.”
He’s wrong. His health law ruined Medicaid.
Now, half of all women who give birth in the United States are on Medicaid, a staggering figure. The Republican bill, awaiting Senate action, will reform Medicaid, restoring its original mission and ensuring its future.
Medicaid was created in 1965 as a safety net for the poor. But ObamaCare distorted it, edging the US health-care system closer to a Medicaid-for-all or single-payer system. Swelling the Medicaid rolls — instead of making private insurance affordable — was the main trick ObamaCare used to boost the number of insured.
A whopping 75 million people are now enrolled on Medicaid, 20 million more than in Medicare, the program for the elderly. If the repeal bill doesn’t pass, Medicaid enrollment will soar to 86 million by 2026, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday.
Who’s picking up the tab for this vast Medicaid expansion? You. Worse, you pay twice — once as a taxpayer, then again as an insurance consumer.
Families with private insurance pay $1,500 to $2,000 or more in added premiums yearly already to keep Medicaid afloat. The more Medicaid expands, the higher their premiums will go.
That’s because Medicaid shortchanges hospitals and doctors, paying less than the actual cost of care. They make up for it by shifting the costs onto privately insured patients. Ouch.
That cost-shifting only works until Medicaid enrollment grows too large. The Mayo Clinic warned three months ago that Medicaid enrollment has reached the tipping point. The renowned clinic announced it will have to turn away some Medicaid patients, or put them at the back of the line, behind patients with private insurance.
Years earlier, when ObamaCare was still being debated in Congress, the dean and CEO of Johns Hopkins Medicine, Edward Miller, had issued a similar warning: Allowing a vast expansion of Medicaid could have “catastrophic effects” at places like Hopkins.
Former President Barack Obama is joining the demagogic slugfest against the GOP’s latest bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare. He claims the GOP bill would “ruin Medicaid.”
He’s wrong. His health law ruined Medicaid.
Now, half of all women who give birth in the United States are on Medicaid, a staggering figure. The Republican bill, awaiting Senate action, will reform Medicaid, restoring its original mission and ensuring its future.
Medicaid was created in 1965 as a safety net for the poor. But ObamaCare distorted it, edging the US health-care system closer to a Medicaid-for-all or single-payer system. Swelling the Medicaid rolls — instead of making private insurance affordable — was the main trick ObamaCare used to boost the number of insured.
A whopping 75 million people are now enrolled on Medicaid, 20 million more than in Medicare, the program for the elderly. If the repeal bill doesn’t pass, Medicaid enrollment will soar to 86 million by 2026, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday.
Who’s picking up the tab for this vast Medicaid expansion? You. Worse, you pay twice — once as a taxpayer, then again as an insurance consumer.
Families with private insurance pay $1,500 to $2,000 or more in added premiums yearly already to keep Medicaid afloat. The more Medicaid expands, the higher their premiums will go.
That’s because Medicaid shortchanges hospitals and doctors, paying less than the actual cost of care. They make up for it by shifting the costs onto privately insured patients. Ouch.
That cost-shifting only works until Medicaid enrollment grows too large. The Mayo Clinic warned three months ago that Medicaid enrollment has reached the tipping point. The renowned clinic announced it will have to turn away some Medicaid patients, or put them at the back of the line, behind patients with private insurance.
Years earlier, when ObamaCare was still being debated in Congress, the dean and CEO of Johns Hopkins Medicine, Edward Miller, had issued a similar warning: Allowing a vast expansion of Medicaid could have “catastrophic effects” at places like Hopkins.
His dire prediction came true. ObamaCare loosened Medicaid-eligibility rules, and urged states to enroll as many people as possible, with Uncle Sam paying 100 percent of the tab until 2016 and 90 percent or more thereafter.
And waste money. Roughly 10 percent of Medicaid payments are in error. Any private-sector company with that record would be out of business.
The Republican bill reforms Medicaid in the nick of time. It will curb the explosive growth in enrollment, though no one currently on Medicaid will have their coverage ripped away. The repeal bill grandfathers them in.
Unless the enrollment explosion is halted, health-care institutions across the country will reach the same dire conclusion as Mayo, and begin turning away patients with government insurance.
Repeal would also slow the growth in federal Medicaid spending. Dems label that change “cuts” and predict doom, but in fact the bill promotes smarter spending.
States would receive a block grant or a fixed amount per Medicaid enrollee — ending the perverse incentive to spend more just to pull in federal dollars. The idea is to promote efficiency. Florida — hardly a backwater — currently spends half what New York spends per Medicaid recipient, proof it can be done.
Medicaid is the biggest item in most state budgets, diverting funds from school aid and other necessities. And in New York, burdening property tax payers as well. Families are forced to sell their homes because they can’t pay the taxes. (The repeal bill would bar New York from continuing to shift Medicaid costs to the counties.)
Sadly, Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer labels the GOP repeal bill “heartless” and “mean.” Wrong, Senator. The GOP bill reforms Medicaid with no time to spare. It’s at the tipping point.
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His dire prediction came true. ObamaCare loosened Medicaid-eligibility rules, and urged states to enroll as many people as possible, with Uncle Sam paying 100 percent of the tab until 2016 and 90 percent or more thereafter.
And waste money. Roughly 10 percent of Medicaid payments are in error. Any private-sector company with that record would be out of business.
The Republican bill reforms Medicaid in the nick of time. It will curb the explosive growth in enrollment, though no one currently on Medicaid will have their coverage ripped away. The repeal bill grandfathers them in.
Unless the enrollment explosion is halted, health-care institutions across the country will reach the same dire conclusion as Mayo, and begin turning away patients with government insurance.
Repeal would also slow the growth in federal Medicaid spending. Dems label that change “cuts” and predict doom, but in fact the bill promotes smarter spending.
States would receive a block grant or a fixed amount per Medicaid enrollee — ending the perverse incentive to spend more just to pull in federal dollars. The idea is to promote efficiency. Florida — hardly a backwater — currently spends half what New York spends per Medicaid recipient, proof it can be done.
Medicaid is the biggest item in most state budgets, diverting funds from school aid and other necessities. And in New York, burdening property tax payers as well. Families are forced to sell their homes because they can’t pay the taxes. (The repeal bill would bar New York from continuing to shift Medicaid costs to the counties.)
Sadly, Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer labels the GOP repeal bill “heartless” and “mean.” Wrong, Senator. The GOP bill reforms Medicaid with no time to spare. It’s at the tipping point.
I don't make believe that I fully understand the pros and cons of 'Trumpcare', and I'm pretty confident it has flaws, but the one thing that I'm certain of is that Obamacare is failing miserably.
All those crying about the proposed GOP plan, should start acknowledging that the ACA was a disaster, and something needs to be done quickly.
bigreds daddy
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I don't make believe that I fully understand the pros and cons of 'Trumpcare', and I'm pretty confident it has flaws, but the one thing that I'm certain of is that Obamacare is failing miserably.
All those crying about the proposed GOP plan, should start acknowledging that the ACA was a disaster, and something needs to be done quickly.
I don't make believe that I fully understand the pros and cons of 'Trumpcare', and I'm pretty confident it has flaws, but the one thing that I'm certain of is that Obamacare is failing miserably.
All those crying about the proposed GOP plan, should start acknowledging that the ACA was a disaster, and something needs to be done quickly.
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:
I don't make believe that I fully understand the pros and cons of 'Trumpcare', and I'm pretty confident it has flaws, but the one thing that I'm certain of is that Obamacare is failing miserably.
All those crying about the proposed GOP plan, should start acknowledging that the ACA was a disaster, and something needs to be done quickly.
I don't make believe that I fully understand the pros and cons of 'Trumpcare', and I'm pretty confident it has flaws, but the one thing that I'm certain of is that Obamacare is failing miserably.
All those crying about the proposed GOP plan, should start acknowledging that the ACA was a disaster, and something needs to be done quickly.
Obama care was intended to destroy the insurance private sector. as the exchanged failed a government insurance could be offered in a continued movement to a government health care system the original roll out was a way to drive out insurance carriers leaving a need for a government run health insurance provider.
when Hillary lost the election that phase was delayed. if the house seats could swing in 2018 and the democrats can occuppy the white house the second phase can begin to achieve a government run universal health care system.
but what do i know didnt trump tweet something abnoxiuos and whats for lunch mentality of the american public larger more long term initiatives are always lost in the shuffle of adhd soicity we enjoy.
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:
I don't make believe that I fully understand the pros and cons of 'Trumpcare', and I'm pretty confident it has flaws, but the one thing that I'm certain of is that Obamacare is failing miserably.
All those crying about the proposed GOP plan, should start acknowledging that the ACA was a disaster, and something needs to be done quickly.
Obama care was intended to destroy the insurance private sector. as the exchanged failed a government insurance could be offered in a continued movement to a government health care system the original roll out was a way to drive out insurance carriers leaving a need for a government run health insurance provider.
when Hillary lost the election that phase was delayed. if the house seats could swing in 2018 and the democrats can occuppy the white house the second phase can begin to achieve a government run universal health care system.
but what do i know didnt trump tweet something abnoxiuos and whats for lunch mentality of the american public larger more long term initiatives are always lost in the shuffle of adhd soicity we enjoy.
I am not sure I agree with that cut and paste article above...of course the heads of for profit organizations dont like Medicare, it dents their profits and business.
Instead of blaming the poor as the GOP likes to do and trying to find pity from senior citizens who will feel like the poor are taking THEIR Medicare, focus on the business and why their costs are going up as they are.
One thing before I talk about costs...seniors have ZERO claim on Medicare, no more than the poor do...the high high majority of seniors on Medicare will exponentially outspend their buy-in because Medicare has been greatly underfunded for all the years that the pay-ins occurred because the inflation in healthcare has outstripped contributions for three decades. I have less sympathy for seniors than the poor honestly.
About profits, why are we not focusing on the issue of cost, rather than political bickering about Obamacare or right vs left. Obamacare COULD work, the issue to me is why are HC costs out of control, why are premiums going up dramatically in Medicare AND private insurance? Benefits are going down, premiums up.
Focus on issues that hold greater value than blaming Obamacare or the poor.
Why are there so many poor that qualify for Medicare and cannot pay for private insurance? I think that question is much more important than if the Mayo clinic is unhappy about Medicare payments.
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I am not sure I agree with that cut and paste article above...of course the heads of for profit organizations dont like Medicare, it dents their profits and business.
Instead of blaming the poor as the GOP likes to do and trying to find pity from senior citizens who will feel like the poor are taking THEIR Medicare, focus on the business and why their costs are going up as they are.
One thing before I talk about costs...seniors have ZERO claim on Medicare, no more than the poor do...the high high majority of seniors on Medicare will exponentially outspend their buy-in because Medicare has been greatly underfunded for all the years that the pay-ins occurred because the inflation in healthcare has outstripped contributions for three decades. I have less sympathy for seniors than the poor honestly.
About profits, why are we not focusing on the issue of cost, rather than political bickering about Obamacare or right vs left. Obamacare COULD work, the issue to me is why are HC costs out of control, why are premiums going up dramatically in Medicare AND private insurance? Benefits are going down, premiums up.
Focus on issues that hold greater value than blaming Obamacare or the poor.
Why are there so many poor that qualify for Medicare and cannot pay for private insurance? I think that question is much more important than if the Mayo clinic is unhappy about Medicare payments.
Massachusetts Senator and Native American Elizabeth Warren{Or as I call her Chief Watches You Poo} said she believes Dems need to run on a single payer platform. My thoughts
1. Someone should explain to the chief that single payer barely works in Canada and won't work here
2. This was the Dems plan with Obamacare To blow up healthcare and go to single payer. Give them credit for pulling off a coup
3. No matter what system understand that i'm NOT paying to take care of sick people
4. Unlike both parties I have a genius healthcare solution
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Massachusetts Senator and Native American Elizabeth Warren{Or as I call her Chief Watches You Poo} said she believes Dems need to run on a single payer platform. My thoughts
1. Someone should explain to the chief that single payer barely works in Canada and won't work here
2. This was the Dems plan with Obamacare To blow up healthcare and go to single payer. Give them credit for pulling off a coup
3. No matter what system understand that i'm NOT paying to take care of sick people
4. Unlike both parties I have a genius healthcare solution
Massachusetts Senator and Native American Elizabeth Warren{Or as I call her Chief Watches You Poo} said she believes Dems need to run on a single payer platform. My thoughts
1. Someone should explain to the chief that single payer barely works in Canada and won't work here
2. This was the Dems plan with Obamacare To blow up healthcare and go to single payer. Give them credit for pulling off a coup
3. No matter what system understand that i'm NOT paying to take care of sick people
4. Unlike both parties I have a genius healthcare solution
Here are the words from a former GOP Congressman, David Jolly of Florida,
To save your time, just watch this video from 9:22 clip to 10:33,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI64dyyq9Ok
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Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:
Massachusetts Senator and Native American Elizabeth Warren{Or as I call her Chief Watches You Poo} said she believes Dems need to run on a single payer platform. My thoughts
1. Someone should explain to the chief that single payer barely works in Canada and won't work here
2. This was the Dems plan with Obamacare To blow up healthcare and go to single payer. Give them credit for pulling off a coup
3. No matter what system understand that i'm NOT paying to take care of sick people
4. Unlike both parties I have a genius healthcare solution
Here are the words from a former GOP Congressman, David Jolly of Florida,
To save your time, just watch this video from 9:22 clip to 10:33,
Also don't claim 2 know a lot about the healthcare debate but have the following observations
1. The democrats r a joke on this issue, including op, because they never talk about costs and unsustainability
2. The Repubs r more of a joke as they had 8 years to come up w a fix and have nothing. To suggest that people aren't dying because of limited access is ridiculous. Also, to suggest that private charity can make up for it as eric cantor did is also a joke. I don't see how u can favor a system where basically the luck of the draw (i.e. Being poor or getting cancer) determines whether u r fukked on care or finances
3. Medicare is for old Medicaid for poor. We pay in to Medicare thru payroll, but elderly also pays premiums when they 1st go into system, which is deducted from social security. Further, the rich pay additional premiums deducted from social security. Once in, however, there is virtually no incentive for the patient to limit costs ( my mom had overnight surgery and they insisted that she and I eat a meal prior to release. My dad went in for dimensia and heart valve and they insisted he get a flu shot). Don't see how this is sustainable. Also people laugh at death panels but don't see how, given costs, this is avoidable
4. The Repubs r screwed now regardless because if they don't repeal they will have a revolt and if they do it won't solve the cost problem but will remove millions from rolls. Can u say speaker pelosi
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Also don't claim 2 know a lot about the healthcare debate but have the following observations
1. The democrats r a joke on this issue, including op, because they never talk about costs and unsustainability
2. The Repubs r more of a joke as they had 8 years to come up w a fix and have nothing. To suggest that people aren't dying because of limited access is ridiculous. Also, to suggest that private charity can make up for it as eric cantor did is also a joke. I don't see how u can favor a system where basically the luck of the draw (i.e. Being poor or getting cancer) determines whether u r fukked on care or finances
3. Medicare is for old Medicaid for poor. We pay in to Medicare thru payroll, but elderly also pays premiums when they 1st go into system, which is deducted from social security. Further, the rich pay additional premiums deducted from social security. Once in, however, there is virtually no incentive for the patient to limit costs ( my mom had overnight surgery and they insisted that she and I eat a meal prior to release. My dad went in for dimensia and heart valve and they insisted he get a flu shot). Don't see how this is sustainable. Also people laugh at death panels but don't see how, given costs, this is avoidable
4. The Repubs r screwed now regardless because if they don't repeal they will have a revolt and if they do it won't solve the cost problem but will remove millions from rolls. Can u say speaker pelosi
Shiek the bill does not f the poor they already screwed.
they do not recieve any money from those insurances anyway. what the bill does is destroy rural health care providors.
The hospitals there depend on this insurance funding to provide care to their citizens. Republicans have no idea what they are doing.
but the result of these citizens being shoved from health insurance is that rural hospitals and clinics funding diminishes hence less staff , less equipment less services.
the exact consequence is the red areas that voted these fine citizens will be the most harmed for the impending finicial melt down this will cause the rural sections. hence, urban areas will continue to operate urban nursing homes urban clinics for the shear bulk of those who can afford private insurance plans allows the charity care to be absorbed.
those 141 counties that voted for the democratic nominee hillary will be least iumpacted the rest of the fly over counties will lose more alot more. many hospitals will look like the eye sore in Woonsocket rhode island.
comical at best. (better to laugh when your angry than cry.)
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Shiek the bill does not f the poor they already screwed.
they do not recieve any money from those insurances anyway. what the bill does is destroy rural health care providors.
The hospitals there depend on this insurance funding to provide care to their citizens. Republicans have no idea what they are doing.
but the result of these citizens being shoved from health insurance is that rural hospitals and clinics funding diminishes hence less staff , less equipment less services.
the exact consequence is the red areas that voted these fine citizens will be the most harmed for the impending finicial melt down this will cause the rural sections. hence, urban areas will continue to operate urban nursing homes urban clinics for the shear bulk of those who can afford private insurance plans allows the charity care to be absorbed.
those 141 counties that voted for the democratic nominee hillary will be least iumpacted the rest of the fly over counties will lose more alot more. many hospitals will look like the eye sore in Woonsocket rhode island.
comical at best. (better to laugh when your angry than cry.)
notice where life expentncy and live birth rates are lowest are the areas who did not expand medicaid. and they vote over whelmingly for less services. guess they figure better in heaven than here lets push that along.
we spend the most in health care we are ranked 38th in the world
we spend the most on education again 38th
so letrs cut funding to both maybe we can get to last faster....
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here is an actual study of life expectancy and dead on arrival birth rates.
notice where life expentncy and live birth rates are lowest are the areas who did not expand medicaid. and they vote over whelmingly for less services. guess they figure better in heaven than here lets push that along.
we spend the most in health care we are ranked 38th in the world
we spend the most on education again 38th
so letrs cut funding to both maybe we can get to last faster....
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