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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

@Sidehatch   And it’s people like that who got us into WW2 by naively believing we could simply ignore the threats from Japan and Germany. That’s why Republicans like John McCain - whose grandpa stood on the deck of the USS Missouri as the Japanese surrendered - have a far greater understanding of foreign policy than Dotard Trump, who calls our brave vets losers and suckers according to his Chief of Staff John Kelly. This is a ‘tad’ oversimplification of the analogousness of these situations.   McCain may have understood foreign policy but it does not necessarily follow because one’s family understands something that they do also. Plus McCain was a known war hawk and would gladly sign onto any incursion.  Whereas, Trump at least does not seem open to getting involved in every skirmish around the world.

Gee, that’s a gross oversimplification if I ever heard one. Trump promised to:

bomb NK

bomb Iran

bomb Russia

bomb Syria

Suggested bombing Mexico

endorsed sending any political opponents to prison

suggested that VP Pence should be hanged

suggested that American generals should be executed 

has encouraged abuse of judges

has encouraged abuse of court clerks

 has said he hates POWs

has endorsed terminating the Constitution

has argued under penalty of perjury that any President has absolute immunity against any crimes commuted by said president while in office. This includes the murder of political opponents.

 

Oh yes, what a peaceful soul. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt over veterans who served our country and were captured by the enemy. 

So reply to all those points. No more trolling me by asking me four questions in four threads. Go ahead, you have to address them all.

You’ve gotta be a real lowlife to hate our POWs, then wrap yourself in the flag. Fascism has come to America folks. If you want to see who is behind it, it’s the scum who is pro-Trump on all points listed above.

 

 

 
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@Sidehatch

 

Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch  The only people saying it’s an unwinnable proxy war are those who are pro-Putin. Isn’t this an extreme over-generalization?  There are a lot of top-level folks that are not for funding this war and say it is unwinnable BUT are certainly not pro-Putin. Gee, isn’t saying it is a unwinnable war is a gross oversimplification? E tu Brute?  Hypocrite much? Ukraine repelled Russian forces and regained ground pretty quickly, then brought the fight to Moscow. They will not be the next Crimea, which has major implications for Eastern Europe. So what military qualifications do you have that the invasion of Ukraine is unwinnable? If it was unwinnable, then how has Ukraine repelled the Russians for 730 days now? Gee, seems like they are doing an above-average job against the unwinnable war lol

I am asking you who these people are that you are taking about.  I didn’t give an opinion.  
I said you saying ‘the only people saying it is an unwinnable war are pro-Putin’.  

Like who all?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch   And it’s people like that who got us into WW2 by naively believing we could simply ignore the threats from Japan and Germany. That’s why Republicans like John McCain - whose grandpa stood on the deck of the USS Missouri as the Japanese surrendered - have a far greater understanding of foreign policy than Dotard Trump, who calls our brave vets losers and suckers according to his Chief of Staff John Kelly. This is a ‘tad’ oversimplification of the analogousness of these situations.   McCain may have understood foreign policy but it does not necessarily follow because one’s family understands something that they do also. Plus McCain was a known war hawk and would gladly sign onto any incursion.  Whereas, Trump at least does not seem open to getting involved in every skirmish around the world. Gee, that’s a gross oversimplification if I ever heard one. Trump promised to: bomb NK bomb Iran bomb Russia bomb Syria Suggested bombing Mexico endorsed sending any political opponents to prison suggested that VP Pence should be hanged suggested that American generals should be executed  has encouraged abuse of judges has encouraged abuse of court clerks  has said he hates POWs has endorsed terminating the Constitution has argued under penalty of perjury that any President has absolute immunity against any crimes commuted by said president while in office. This includes the murder of political opponents.   Oh yes, what a peaceful soul. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt over veterans who served our country and were captured by the enemy.  So reply to all those points. No more trolling me by asking me four questions in four threads. Go ahead, you have to address them all. You’ve gotta be a real lowlife to hate our POWs, then wrap yourself in the flag. Fascism has come to America folks. If you want to see who is behind it, it’s the scum who is pro-Trump on all points listed above.


What does Trump have to do with your comparing WWII to this war?  

That is what I am saying you are over-simplifying.  
The differences between those two situations are extremely vast and nowhere near the same.  

 
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Sorry bruh, you don’t get to answer questions with questions. Why do you hate our NATO allies in Europe? Why is the House GOP backing impeachment articles based on a Russian asset? Why is Trump endorsing a Russian invasion of Europe? Why is a two year war suddenly “unwinnable” when all evidence points to the contrary? Why do you give Putin a pass on killing political opponents? Why do you give Trump a pass on arguing that he can kill political opponents as long as the GOP won’t let him be impeached? Why not acknowledge the many anti-veteran comments Trump had made over the years?

So many questions that you refuse to answer. It’s almost like you will bend over backwards to defend Trump with the fake “just askin questions” premise, while refusing to answer any of your own. 

It’s your time to answer now! It’s no time to cut and run like a coward, amirite?

 
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@Sidehatch

 I am not trolling you.  I am just saying there are very sincere that disagree with your assessment and your comparison.  

So, to outright dismiss them and their reluctance to keep spending money over there and then to say they support Putin and compare it to WWII — is a far reach and not true at all.  

BUT it is the Left’s rhetoric to support this stance currently. 

 
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It’s so funny that nobody has ever thought to refute the first words posted in this thread. Hint: it’s probably because they can’t refute them.

Reminder: here’s what those words were:

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” - Kevin McCarthy, circa 2016

 
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 I ask you the questions first to clear up your question over reach of an analysis. 

You have to be able to support your stance. 
The questions are still open about your opinions on this. 
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@Sidehatch

 

 Ukraine is not your NATO ally in Europe. 
Stay focused.

It is bro and not bruh also.  Never understand grownups using that term.  

Show me exactly where Trump is ‘endorsing a Russian invasion of Europe’?

 
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Name who is  giving Putin a pass on killing political opponents.  

What do you want everyone to do and/or say about it?

 
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the vast amount of money that has been sent and the Libs still want to send is to wash the money, Billions and Billions with a B.  Most of it is borrowed with China buying the treasury note.  We now pay more interest every day on debt than we set aside for our Defense.  Yup that's real smart.  Keep sending it to other countries so they can wash it.

Surprised there isn't a cartoon sketch floating around with Bill and Hilary yucking it up, counting all their Foundation windfall

 
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https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1765152974131843362

 

The commander in chief's Super Tuesday message today "to the voters" ...  out of context ? not really an_timeout

let that sink in , Afuera #Doge
 
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Baiting, harassing, stalking...interesting....

 

so commenting in another persons thread about what they said on a public forum is one of those three??? Essentially, not agreeing with someone is baiting, harassing and stalking, correct?

 

This is just like the AOC rant todayan_roll_laugh  Shes been dishing it out for years but when thrown in her face its TMZ worthy news, Don't stalk a Lib but it's OK to go after the GOP backers.

There is NO WAY a Lib will stay out of a GOP started thread.  I bet even if a thread was started about Nikki Haley and that she is just a RINO there will be blowback at some point in the tread, wallstreet I have backed off but that is a complete blowhard statement

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

@Sidehatch Name who is  giving Putin a pass on killing political opponents.
I haven't seen your post in here bashing Putin for him killing his political opponents.So unless you can post something of you saying it in a different thread,I guess your name could be used to answer your question.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch Name who is  giving Putin a pass on killing political opponents.I haven't seen your post in here bashing Putin for him killing his political opponents.So unless you can post something of you saying it in a different thread,I guess your name could be used to answer your question.

What's frightening is that the only difference between the DEM Party and Putin's Soviet State is that he's willing " to finish the job on someone" .  Both are perfectly fine imprisoning political opponents.  

Remember that thing about "" Recognition "" peace_5

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch   And it’s people like that who got us into WW2 by naively believing we could simply ignore the threats from Japan and Germany. That’s why Republicans like John McCain - whose grandpa stood on the deck of the USS Missouri as the Japanese surrendered - have a far greater understanding of foreign policy than Dotard Trump, who calls our brave vets losers and suckers according to his Chief of Staff John Kelly. This is a ‘tad’ oversimplification of the analogousness of these situations.   McCain may have understood foreign policy but it does not necessarily follow because one’s family understands something that they do also. Plus McCain was a known war hawk and would gladly sign onto any incursion.  Whereas, Trump at least does not seem open to getting involved in every skirmish around the world. Gee, that’s a gross oversimplification if I ever heard one. Trump promised to: bomb NK bomb Iran bomb Russia bomb Syria Suggested bombing Mexico endorsed sending any political opponents to prison suggested that VP Pence should be hanged suggested that American generals should be executed  has encouraged abuse of judges has encouraged abuse of court clerks  has said he hates POWs has endorsed terminating the Constitution has argued under penalty of perjury that any President has absolute immunity against any crimes commuted by said president while in office. This includes the murder of political opponents.   Oh yes, what a peaceful soul. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt over veterans who served our country and were captured by the enemy.  So reply to all those points. No more trolling me by asking me four questions in four threads. Go ahead, you have to address them all. You’ve gotta be a real lowlife to hate our POWs, then wrap yourself in the flag. Fascism has come to America folks. If you want to see who is behind it, it’s the scum who is pro-Trump on all points listed above.

 

And yet, "" peace"" broke out when Trump was president the first time around.. ( see what I did there) an_wink

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch Name who is  giving Putin a pass on killing political opponents.I haven't seen your post in here bashing Putin for him killing his political opponents.So unless you can post something of you saying it in a different thread,I guess your name could be used to answer your question. What's frightening is that the only difference between the DEM Party and Putin's Soviet State is that he's willing " to finish the job on someone" .  Both are perfectly fine imprisoning political opponents.   Remember that thing about "" Recognition ""
Ya,that's what we do when criminals commit crimes,we prosecute them.Again,if he did nothing wrong,why is he crying about needing immunity?Raiders,since I don't see Rush bashing Putin for killing his political opponents.I guess we can add Rush's name to the list of people who are "giving Putin a pass on killing his political opponents".

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch   And it’s people like that who got us into WW2 by naively believing we could simply ignore the threats from Japan and Germany. That’s why Republicans like John McCain - whose grandpa stood on the deck of the USS Missouri as the Japanese surrendered - have a far greater understanding of foreign policy than Dotard Trump, who calls our brave vets losers and suckers according to his Chief of Staff John Kelly. This is a ‘tad’ oversimplification of the analogousness of these situations.   McCain may have understood foreign policy but it does not necessarily follow because one’s family understands something that they do also. Plus McCain was a known war hawk and would gladly sign onto any incursion.  Whereas, Trump at least does not seem open to getting involved in every skirmish around the world. Gee, that’s a gross oversimplification if I ever heard one. Trump promised to: bomb NK bomb Iran bomb Russia bomb Syria Suggested bombing Mexico endorsed sending any political opponents to prison suggested that VP Pence should be hanged suggested that American generals should be executed  has encouraged abuse of judges has encouraged abuse of court clerks  has said he hates POWs has endorsed terminating the Constitution has argued under penalty of perjury that any President has absolute immunity against any crimes commuted by said president while in office. This includes the murder of political opponents.   Oh yes, what a peaceful soul. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt over veterans who served our country and were captured by the enemy.  So reply to all those points. No more trolling me by asking me four questions in four threads. Go ahead, you have to address them all. You’ve gotta be a real lowlife to hate our POWs, then wrap yourself in the flag. Fascism has come to America folks. If you want to see who is behind it, it’s the scum who is pro-Trump on all points listed above.   And yet, "" peace"" broke out when Trump was president the first time around.. ( see what I did there)
Ya,I did see what you did there,you made a fool of yourself again.At least you are consistently a fool,good job fool,keep it up.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

 

Trump promised to;

bomb NK (2017; LATimes;Reporting from Seoul —  

North Korea’s totalitarian leader, Kim Jong Un, began 2017 by announcing his intention to launch a long-range ballistic missile capable of reaching the United States.

Sept 2017; Trump said it was “far past time” for the world to confront Kim Jong Un, declaring that the North Korean leader’s pursuit of nuclear weapons poses a threat to “the entire world with an unthinkable loss of human life.” Trump spoke of his own nation’s “patience,” but said that if “forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea.”

2018 Trump travels to North Korea and meets with Kim Jung Un. Jung Un quiets down) 

bomb Iran (President Trump has warned the US is "targeting" 52 Iranian sites and will strike "very fast and very hard" if Tehran attacks Americans or US assets. Iran stood down) 

bomb Russia ( But Trump loves Russia, you said so yourself)

bomb Syria (Yeah, when they poison gas their own citizens)

Suggested bombing Mexico (drug labs, good idea. Betcha Hunter and the big guy are getting a cut from Mexican drug cartels)

endorsed sending any political opponents to prison ( we see who is actually doing that. Notice how NYC mayor has kept his mouth shut after KGB, I mean FBI visit)

suggested that VP Pence should be hanged ( NO HE DID NOT. The Jan 6th committee made up that lie. It was; I heard Mark Meadows say that Trump said........, Meadows legal team said it was a lie)

 

has endorsed terminating the Constitution (Biden has violated the Constitution and has said so out loud. Several dem states attempted to also)

has argued under penalty of perjury that any President has absolute immunity against any crimes commuted by said president while in office. This includes the murder of political opponents.

(Murder of political opponents was a Lefty judge talking. Over 100,000 Americans who were vaccinated died from COVID after Biden publicly stated "Get vaccinated, you won't die, go to the hospital, or even get COVID" when he and the CDC had known full well Delta was breaking through the vaccine. Vaxed people believed him, went to large events, etc., caught COVID and died. Sounds like 100,000 murder charges for Biden. Add in the illegal migrants killing American citizens, measles outbreaks, etc) 

 

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch Name who is  giving Putin a pass on killing political opponents.I haven't seen your post in here bashing Putin for him killing his political opponents.So unless you can post something of you saying it in a different thread,I guess your name could be used to answer your question.

 

Putin didn't kill anybody, poor guy died in prison. an_wink

And Epstien just hung himself in a maximum security prison. an_wink

Derek Chauvin stabbed in Federal Prison, opps how did that happen??? an_wink

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @Sidehatch   And it’s people like that who got us into WW2 by naively believing we could simply ignore the threats from Japan and Germany. That’s why Republicans like John McCain - whose grandpa stood on the deck of the USS Missouri as the Japanese surrendered - have a far greater understanding of foreign policy than Dotard Trump, who calls our brave vets losers and suckers according to his Chief of Staff John Kelly. This is a ‘tad’ oversimplification of the analogousness of these situations.   McCain may have understood foreign policy but it does not necessarily follow because one’s family understands something that they do also. Plus McCain was a known war hawk and would gladly sign onto any incursion.  Whereas, Trump at least does not seem open to getting involved in every skirmish around the world. Gee, that’s a gross oversimplification if I ever heard one. Trump promised to: bomb NK bomb Iran bomb Russia bomb Syria Suggested bombing Mexico endorsed sending any political opponents to prison suggested that VP Pence should be hanged suggested that American generals should be executed  has encouraged abuse of judges has encouraged abuse of court clerks  has said he hates POWs has endorsed terminating the Constitution has argued under penalty of perjury that any President has absolute immunity against any crimes commuted by said president while in office. This includes the murder of political opponents.   Oh yes, what a peaceful soul. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt over veterans who served our country and were captured by the enemy.  So reply to all those points. No more trolling me by asking me four questions in four threads. Go ahead, you have to address them all. You’ve gotta be a real lowlife to hate our POWs, then wrap yourself in the flag. Fascism has come to America folks. If you want to see who is behind it, it’s the scum who is pro-Trump on all points listed above.   And yet peace broke out when Trump was president first time around... ( see what I did there)

peace_5an_clap

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Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

Quote Originally Posted by spockgato: I’m still a little uneasy with the throwing around of the “ useful idiots “ comment . That’s a little “ too antagonistic “ and “ attacking “ for my tastes and I assure you a better choice of words or something that doesn’t put others done would lead to a more successful and fruitful discussion . I think that we can all do a little bit better gentleman . Let’s work with each other and let’s not take the easy way out by name calling . It’s simply counterproductive . Victim complex much? Sorry librul, you ain’t used to tough talk. Sounds like you need to grow a pair and learn how the world works. You can’t be a snowflake forever! (The term useful idiot predates the Reagan era. I see you don’t know what it means. Google is your friend lil buddy.)

I’m just trying to follow the guidelines set forth by wallstreet . So that this forum can be a better place to discuss things . I have seen the light . Maybe you should also change how your system operates , and stop with the antagonizing , and the attacking , and the childish name calling . Do your part sidehatch . Don’t let this warning fall on deaf ears brother . One .

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Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare: But that's who he is...   He isn't your typical politician   He was running a game show before he was president, yet people voted for him...   He likes being the center of attention like most people on TV   Don't blame Trump, blame social media as it has and will continue to ruin millions of people...oh look, lil timmy just took his first bite of pizza...imagine how we all got on with our lives before social media...no one gave two shits about lil timmy eating pizza except his family now everyone has to know about it.... social media has no business in our politics, yet here we are....it's the day and times we are in....don't like it and it doesn't belong but is the sign of the times unfortunately.... Why does support of one party’s politician endorse “no consequences because he’s an idiot”, yet you expect 150% consequences for the other party?  Also, Trump’s not a newcomer. The “I have no policy ideas because I’m a failed business owner” trope flew the coop in 2017. It sure looks like you’re willing to let one party skate by with zero consequences for their idiotic actions, while trying to punish the other party for any feigned slight and more. My advice? Stop being a snowflake. Stop your victim complex. Grow a pair. Figure it out. If you’re sexually confused like Matt Gaetz or Jim Jordan, admit it and get your life sorted. Don’t confuse that with me giving a feck about your circumstances, just get it sorted and return if you can. But cut the crybaby cut and run cowardice. Nobody is impressed by the GOP’s victim card, backed by trillions of dollars of corporate tax cuts while the middle class get screwed. The scam is over. Buckle up and pretend you have a pair.

There ya go wally....unprovoked and uncalled for and yet you say nothingan_popcorn

And so what does COVERS think a response will be from someone who is intentionally making a post towards someone like thatan_popcorn

You guys want this site to run a certain way but you only talk down to certain posters while others get a pass...was sides comments really necessary while he is trying to play mr tough guy on the internet with his condescending words for no reason...I'm not even addressing him herean_popcorn

 

So what does COVERS gotta say about how these posters that come in unprovoked and make claims about someone being sexually confused..is that the example you are trying to set because that sounds like baiting to me....sounds like harassing to me.....sounds like stalking to me....all things you said the site does not tolerate....

 

So what do you say here because this guy does this all the time in situations where it is not even provoked...does he have a right to come out and make these claims in your forums or should he also stop with his behavior an_popcorn

Or because it's your group of friends in here there is zero repercussionan_popcorn

 

Just trying to determine where COVERS stands here because you are taking others to task but this type of behavior goes on with a few others in here that never get told anythingan_popcorn

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I’m not calling for the guy’s head . He likes rap music so in my book sidehatch is ok peace_5

and I don’t want the tit for tat , or the eye for an eye stuff either .peace_5

I just want a little balance .

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 Did you read my reply to your conspiracy wagon comments? All the answers in your Covers conspiracy universe are in that single message. Nothing else will ever need to be said on that topic, it is all right there a complete detailed descriptive answer.

Problem is that same reply has been made multiple times by me in this forum and yet people who love a conspiracy will ignore truth and reality and just keep beating the drum because you are deflecting and rationalizing, that means you have no responsibility or ownership just finger pointing and deflection. If you really want to make things better then just read the stupid reply above and YOU be the better person, YOU make improvements and quit deflecting and blaming others. 

All of your multi year whining and complaining are because that is your narrative, the answers have been given so many times but to deaf ears and you will ask over and over and over but ignore what the answer is and that is because you are not responsible and you will not follow the rules and then you wonder why your conspiracy theories go nowhere...

 
 
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Interesting....so I am asking if the guys reply was necessary about me being sexual confused and you bring up deflecting yet it is you that is deflecting right here are you not?

 

I am asking a direct question to you and you are going on about conspiracies but I am asking you why it is ok for this guy to come in and bait me, harass me and stalk me, as you so put it, when I am not even speaking to him...your response, as it typically is, is tell me I'm a conspiracy theorist which tells me you are dodging the question to deflect onto something that is not being asked of you...

 

Point blank COVERS...any mod who wishes to chime in....is sidehatch's post to me ok by COVERS rules under the guidelines of antagonizing, baiting, harassing or stalking?

Is it ok to tell somone in these forums that they must be sexually confused about a topic that is not germane to even the discussion that is being had in here?

Because if it is allowed, then everyone in here will understand that you can bait, stalk, harass and antagonize people so long as they like that person....

 

I am telling COVERS that sidehatch should not have made that comment to me and that he was in fact baiting me, harassing me and antagonizing me by making such a comment...could sidehatch made his point without the name calling...could sidehatch have avoided the unnecesary attacking of me?

 

This is your defining moment COVERS, because this will explain a lot...and in your replies, please leave out conspiracy theories because that is not even on topic...I am talking about this isolated instance with what sidehatch said to me...is this acceptable behavior by COVERS, not anything else...that's my questionan_popcorn   

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