“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” - Kevin McCarthy, circa 2016 Then more recently: Even as congressional Republicans this week were threatening to cut off Ukraine aid once and for all, former president Donald Trump floated the idea that he would encourage Putin to attack NATO countries that didn’t pay enough;
Tucker Carlson set about what was effectively a pro-Russian propaganda tour in which he downplayed Putin’s killing of political opponents;
and then top Putin opposition leader Alexei Navalny was reported killed in prison.
This all begs the question - why do so many people from this one party want Putin to continue to get stronger? Are they all on his payroll? (Tucker probably is.) As for those who are not on his payroll, they most certainly are living up the the Cold War moniker of being “useful idiots.”
Well the answer is simple as it applies to MOST of the MAGAS - Putin is trying to interfere with our elections TO GET TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS - so of course anti-democracy/pro-fascism MAGAs support that!
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Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:
“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” - Kevin McCarthy, circa 2016 Then more recently: Even as congressional Republicans this week were threatening to cut off Ukraine aid once and for all, former president Donald Trump floated the idea that he would encourage Putin to attack NATO countries that didn’t pay enough;
Tucker Carlson set about what was effectively a pro-Russian propaganda tour in which he downplayed Putin’s killing of political opponents;
and then top Putin opposition leader Alexei Navalny was reported killed in prison.
This all begs the question - why do so many people from this one party want Putin to continue to get stronger? Are they all on his payroll? (Tucker probably is.) As for those who are not on his payroll, they most certainly are living up the the Cold War moniker of being “useful idiots.”
Well the answer is simple as it applies to MOST of the MAGAS - Putin is trying to interfere with our elections TO GET TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS - so of course anti-democracy/pro-fascism MAGAs support that!
If you do not bash them then you must be pro them...that's a profound statement...what a way to go through life huh...so simpleton to think that just because you don't bash or hate something that you are all the sudden pro that....that's the retort or consensus around here from some... what a complete disconnect
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@ABooksNightmare
Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:
If you do not bash them then you must be pro them...that's a profound statement...what a way to go through life huh...so simpleton to think that just because you don't bash or hate something that you are all the sudden pro that....that's the retort or consensus around here from some... what a complete disconnect
Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” - Kevin McCarthy, circa 2016 Then more recently: Even as congressional Republicans this week were threatening to cut off Ukraine aid once and for all, former president Donald Trump floated the idea that he would encourage Putin to attack NATO countries that didn’t pay enough; Tucker Carlson set about what was effectively a pro-Russian propaganda tour in which he downplayed Putin’s killing of political opponents; and then top Putin opposition leader Alexei Navalny was reported killed in prison. This all begs the question - why do so many people from this one party want Putin to continue to get stronger? Are they all on his payroll? (Tucker probably is.) As for those who are not on his payroll, they most certainly are living up the the Cold War moniker of being “useful idiots.”
Well the answer is simple as it applies to MOST of the MAGAS - Putin is trying to interfere with our elections TO GET TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS - so of course anti-democracy/pro-fascism MAGAs support that!
@fubah2
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” - Kevin McCarthy, circa 2016 Then more recently: Even as congressional Republicans this week were threatening to cut off Ukraine aid once and for all, former president Donald Trump floated the idea that he would encourage Putin to attack NATO countries that didn’t pay enough; Tucker Carlson set about what was effectively a pro-Russian propaganda tour in which he downplayed Putin’s killing of political opponents; and then top Putin opposition leader Alexei Navalny was reported killed in prison. This all begs the question - why do so many people from this one party want Putin to continue to get stronger? Are they all on his payroll? (Tucker probably is.) As for those who are not on his payroll, they most certainly are living up the the Cold War moniker of being “useful idiots.”
Well the answer is simple as it applies to MOST of the MAGAS - Putin is trying to interfere with our elections TO GET TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS - so of course anti-democracy/pro-fascism MAGAs support that!
I recommend that you gentlemen find some sunshine and that you bask in it’s glow and that you release the hatred that is in your hearts that is weighing you down as if it is an anchor . Your time here on earth is slipping away and you are not making the necessary changes that help instill growth . Positive energy fellas . Find it and communicate . It hurts to see so many dead ends . In the afterlife I won’t say “ I told ya so “ you’ll just nod to me in agreement . Then we’ll all play bocce ball together on Heaven’s front lawn but watch out dudes cuz I’m a beast .
BACK PATTING and KISSING threads are like passing HAM SANDWICHES around over and over-wall
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I recommend that you gentlemen find some sunshine and that you bask in it’s glow and that you release the hatred that is in your hearts that is weighing you down as if it is an anchor . Your time here on earth is slipping away and you are not making the necessary changes that help instill growth . Positive energy fellas . Find it and communicate . It hurts to see so many dead ends . In the afterlife I won’t say “ I told ya so “ you’ll just nod to me in agreement . Then we’ll all play bocce ball together on Heaven’s front lawn but watch out dudes cuz I’m a beast .
Well the answer is simple as it applies to MOST of the MAGAS - Putin is trying to interfere with our elections TO GET TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS - so of course anti-democracy/pro-fascism MAGAs support that!
@fubah2
I mean just imagine if it was the other way, where Putin was election-interfering to get BIDEN and the DEMOCRATS ELECTED!!!
Whoa Nelly!
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Well the answer is simple as it applies to MOST of the MAGAS - Putin is trying to interfere with our elections TO GET TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS - so of course anti-democracy/pro-fascism MAGAs support that!
@fubah2
I mean just imagine if it was the other way, where Putin was election-interfering to get BIDEN and the DEMOCRATS ELECTED!!!
It would be them that would be getting all crazy with the conspiracy theories . Instead this time it’s just you and “ your peeps “ . Things tend to flip flop . You’ll have your time to shine . Nobody really cares about making any changes unless things in their lives get severe or become catastrophic anyway , so it will all come full circle . Enjoy your day . Because We don’t know how many we have left .
BACK PATTING and KISSING threads are like passing HAM SANDWICHES around over and over-wall
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It would be them that would be getting all crazy with the conspiracy theories . Instead this time it’s just you and “ your peeps “ . Things tend to flip flop . You’ll have your time to shine . Nobody really cares about making any changes unless things in their lives get severe or become catastrophic anyway , so it will all come full circle . Enjoy your day . Because We don’t know how many we have left .
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Well the answer is simple as it applies to MOST of the MAGAS - Putin is trying to interfere with our elections TO GET TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS - so of course anti-democracy/pro-fascism MAGAs support that! @fubah2 I mean just imagine if it was the other way, where Putin was election-interfering to get BIDEN and the DEMOCRATS ELECTED!!! Whoa Nelly!
unbelievable chaos and destruction would ensue all over the country that would make jan 6 look like a toddlers birthday party
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Well the answer is simple as it applies to MOST of the MAGAS - Putin is trying to interfere with our elections TO GET TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS - so of course anti-democracy/pro-fascism MAGAs support that! @fubah2 I mean just imagine if it was the other way, where Putin was election-interfering to get BIDEN and the DEMOCRATS ELECTED!!! Whoa Nelly!
unbelievable chaos and destruction would ensue all over the country that would make jan 6 look like a toddlers birthday party
Russia is pulling an Afghanistan drain again on Ukraine and thus the US, they are slow playing their stack and know they could take over the entire region with no issues if they wanted to. If Russia wanted the provinces back in the fold they would likely go about it in a different way, this is more about NATO and the way Ukraine flaunted their ambitions in the face of Putin and we wonder why they responded as they did?
I totally agree!
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Russia is pulling an Afghanistan drain again on Ukraine and thus the US, they are slow playing their stack and know they could take over the entire region with no issues if they wanted to. If Russia wanted the provinces back in the fold they would likely go about it in a different way, this is more about NATO and the way Ukraine flaunted their ambitions in the face of Putin and we wonder why they responded as they did?
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Well the answer is simple as it applies to MOST of the MAGAS - Putin is trying to interfere with our elections TO GET TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS - so of course anti-democracy/pro-fascism MAGAs support that! @fubah2
I mean just imagine if it was the other way, where Putin was election-interfering to get BIDEN and the DEMOCRATS ELECTED!!! Whoa Nelly!
unbelievable chaos and destruction would ensue all over the country that would make jan 6 look like a toddlers birthday party
The angry MAGAs would be roaming the streets dressed in their combat fatiques with military style assault rifles looking to shoot just about any body due to their venomous outrage that a foreign power was trying to interfere in our sacred elections!
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Well the answer is simple as it applies to MOST of the MAGAS - Putin is trying to interfere with our elections TO GET TRUMP AND HIS ACCOMPLICES ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS - so of course anti-democracy/pro-fascism MAGAs support that! @fubah2
I mean just imagine if it was the other way, where Putin was election-interfering to get BIDEN and the DEMOCRATS ELECTED!!! Whoa Nelly!
unbelievable chaos and destruction would ensue all over the country that would make jan 6 look like a toddlers birthday party
The angry MAGAs would be roaming the streets dressed in their combat fatiques with military style assault rifles looking to shoot just about any body due to their venomous outrage that a foreign power was trying to interfere in our sacred elections!
The angry MAGAs would be roaming the streets dressed in their combat fatiques
And carrying their tiki torches like in Charlottesville,they would be chanting "person will not replace us,but it's perfectly fine if some Russians do".
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
The angry MAGAs would be roaming the streets dressed in their combat fatiques
And carrying their tiki torches like in Charlottesville,they would be chanting "person will not replace us,but it's perfectly fine if some Russians do".
@Raiders22 Why do you think the democrats continue to be the party of slavery?
I would have to ask what you mean by that. If you are just asking about the phrase — I wouldn’t read too much into it. I think it is just policial rhetoric from the Right.
But if you are asking what they are referring to about why some of that side are tied down to some of the ‘entitlement programs’ — it is just the difference in ideologies.
Some folks see it as helping others that need a leg up, etc.; others see it as keeping folks held back (the slave term) because they have less incentive to get into the free capitalist arena.
But it is just usually retaliatory rhetoric. I would not worry about the phrase. Instead, when someone uses that phrase I would ask them what they mean and see if they use the entitled issue. If they do — then that is where you start your discussion with them. For example, are so many programs needed? Does it hurt more than help in the long run? Should there be time limits on it? Don’t they feel sympathy for their fellow citizens? Etc.
Anytime you get into a debate with someone you have to determine exactly where to enter? Where do you start to disagree? Do you agree on what the terms mean? All of that matters for a healthy discussion.
That is a general overview. Hope that helps.
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@MrWhatsItToYa
Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:
@Raiders22 Why do you think the democrats continue to be the party of slavery?
I would have to ask what you mean by that. If you are just asking about the phrase — I wouldn’t read too much into it. I think it is just policial rhetoric from the Right.
But if you are asking what they are referring to about why some of that side are tied down to some of the ‘entitlement programs’ — it is just the difference in ideologies.
Some folks see it as helping others that need a leg up, etc.; others see it as keeping folks held back (the slave term) because they have less incentive to get into the free capitalist arena.
But it is just usually retaliatory rhetoric. I would not worry about the phrase. Instead, when someone uses that phrase I would ask them what they mean and see if they use the entitled issue. If they do — then that is where you start your discussion with them. For example, are so many programs needed? Does it hurt more than help in the long run? Should there be time limits on it? Don’t they feel sympathy for their fellow citizens? Etc.
Anytime you get into a debate with someone you have to determine exactly where to enter? Where do you start to disagree? Do you agree on what the terms mean? All of that matters for a healthy discussion.
Raiders, it is obvious you are being difficult in having a discussion with this guy and I understand you do these same things with me and that is why I do not like to discuss with you, you play this passive aggressive technicalities games to wear others down. Maybe it is better you guys drop the topic as it is going nowhere.
To have a GOOD discussion, BOTH parties need to be seeking discussion and to understand each other, not nit picking nuances and try to bug the crap out of the other person.
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Raiders, it is obvious you are being difficult in having a discussion with this guy and I understand you do these same things with me and that is why I do not like to discuss with you, you play this passive aggressive technicalities games to wear others down. Maybe it is better you guys drop the topic as it is going nowhere.
To have a GOOD discussion, BOTH parties need to be seeking discussion and to understand each other, not nit picking nuances and try to bug the crap out of the other person.
It is not technicalities. It is simply something I did not say. I may have quoted someone else.
All I asked was where this was he was talking about. Others have said it — maybe he mixed folks up.
This is a NEW topic from him. I think the previous one is done.
But read some of his replies and that is hard to say it is nuanced when the question I posed was never answered. He was the one that wandered all over even after I answered the question(s) he wanted answered.
But if he is fine discussing things, I would not worry too much about it. Like I said he is one of the few of you guys on the Left that really will discuss things. So, I do not mind if the subjects get all intertwined—I am able to multitask okay with it. So, I am not the one being difficult — just staying on track.
So, no nuance or technicalities needed — just an answer. Either show where I said it and we can discuss it according to that topic; say you mixed me up with someone else; or ask me how I feel about it and then go from there.
But thanks for saying I am the one being difficult when I am the one being misquoted. As long as we are both civil and not name calling, I would not worry about it too much.
But I am interested in this new topic and will make sure to keep it in line.
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@wallstreetcappers
It is not technicalities. It is simply something I did not say. I may have quoted someone else.
All I asked was where this was he was talking about. Others have said it — maybe he mixed folks up.
This is a NEW topic from him. I think the previous one is done.
But read some of his replies and that is hard to say it is nuanced when the question I posed was never answered. He was the one that wandered all over even after I answered the question(s) he wanted answered.
But if he is fine discussing things, I would not worry too much about it. Like I said he is one of the few of you guys on the Left that really will discuss things. So, I do not mind if the subjects get all intertwined—I am able to multitask okay with it. So, I am not the one being difficult — just staying on track.
So, no nuance or technicalities needed — just an answer. Either show where I said it and we can discuss it according to that topic; say you mixed me up with someone else; or ask me how I feel about it and then go from there.
But thanks for saying I am the one being difficult when I am the one being misquoted. As long as we are both civil and not name calling, I would not worry about it too much.
But I am interested in this new topic and will make sure to keep it in line.
I know you weren't the one who said it in this thread.But I thought that's the way we were playing the game now,all you have to do is quote somebody's name and then just make stuff up and say they said it.Cause that's what you done to me 4 times,in just this thread
1. post #91 This is a post from you directly replying to me-It is a bad way to argue your point.If you want to send more money over there-make a better case.Do not go straight to calling someone a Putin supporter if they do not want to.That is lazy logic at best-and a copout (it's two words,ha,man I don't know if I'll ever get used to your bad grammar) at worst because you cannot support your stance with valid reasons.- For 1 I have never mentioned sending money over there,or over anywhere.2.And I've never stated anybody was a "Putin Supporter".So both those were completely made up by YOU.
2. post #132 This is a post from you directly quoting something I've said-So,it is a terrible way to have a discussion by simply bashing politicians that do not agree with your thinking by accusing them of something they obviously are not.- The thing is I never bashed any politician about giving Putin a pass (besides trump and that was much later in the conversation),whether they agreed with my thinking or not.Nor did I accuse a politician of something.Both these things were (again)completely made up by YOU.Hmm,I think I'm starting to sense a pattern here.
3. post #135 This is a post from you directly quoting me again-Just neither of you addressed what HE claimed is all.- So now you are looking for me to address and verify what somebody else claimed,I never claimed it?Like I've said more then a couple times in here already,I have nothing to do with or would even know WHAT he claimed,so how can I possibly address it?But yet your trying to blame me for it.
4. post #136 This is a post from you directly quoting me even 1 more time-But that was what HE was implying.- Again I can't address or defend something that I didn't say and that somebody else might of implied.
And some of these were already after I had told you more then a couple times I never said that,or that I can't be asked to explain or address what somebody claimed or might of implied.
So now you know what it's like to have someone make up something,and then say you said something which you never said.
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@Raiders22
I know you weren't the one who said it in this thread.But I thought that's the way we were playing the game now,all you have to do is quote somebody's name and then just make stuff up and say they said it.Cause that's what you done to me 4 times,in just this thread
1. post #91 This is a post from you directly replying to me-It is a bad way to argue your point.If you want to send more money over there-make a better case.Do not go straight to calling someone a Putin supporter if they do not want to.That is lazy logic at best-and a copout (it's two words,ha,man I don't know if I'll ever get used to your bad grammar) at worst because you cannot support your stance with valid reasons.- For 1 I have never mentioned sending money over there,or over anywhere.2.And I've never stated anybody was a "Putin Supporter".So both those were completely made up by YOU.
2. post #132 This is a post from you directly quoting something I've said-So,it is a terrible way to have a discussion by simply bashing politicians that do not agree with your thinking by accusing them of something they obviously are not.- The thing is I never bashed any politician about giving Putin a pass (besides trump and that was much later in the conversation),whether they agreed with my thinking or not.Nor did I accuse a politician of something.Both these things were (again)completely made up by YOU.Hmm,I think I'm starting to sense a pattern here.
3. post #135 This is a post from you directly quoting me again-Just neither of you addressed what HE claimed is all.- So now you are looking for me to address and verify what somebody else claimed,I never claimed it?Like I've said more then a couple times in here already,I have nothing to do with or would even know WHAT he claimed,so how can I possibly address it?But yet your trying to blame me for it.
4. post #136 This is a post from you directly quoting me even 1 more time-But that was what HE was implying.- Again I can't address or defend something that I didn't say and that somebody else might of implied.
And some of these were already after I had told you more then a couple times I never said that,or that I can't be asked to explain or address what somebody claimed or might of implied.
So now you know what it's like to have someone make up something,and then say you said something which you never said.
@wallstreetcappers It is simply something I did not say. Like I said he is one of the few of you guys on the Left that really will discuss things. when I am the one being misquoted.
You were fine with commenting and quoting things I didn't say,you were so fine with it you did it 4 times.
I only "somewhat" discuss things,let's try and keep that straight.
Show me 1 time where I misquoted you in this whole thread besides this last time where I purposely did it.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@wallstreetcappers It is simply something I did not say. Like I said he is one of the few of you guys on the Left that really will discuss things. when I am the one being misquoted.
You were fine with commenting and quoting things I didn't say,you were so fine with it you did it 4 times.
I only "somewhat" discuss things,let's try and keep that straight.
Show me 1 time where I misquoted you in this whole thread besides this last time where I purposely did it.
No sir. The only thing I am quoting you about was you saying I was pro-Putin because I had not denounced him. Anything else is a derivative of my original question to the post. Because to me this where the issue is with Congress and the funding. No one on the Right is NOT wanting funding because they are pro-Putin and NO ONE has said that. But, alack, there will be no discussion of that. Just a blanket accusation because the Left is not getting their way yet.
All good though.
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@MrWhatsItToYa
No sir. The only thing I am quoting you about was you saying I was pro-Putin because I had not denounced him. Anything else is a derivative of my original question to the post. Because to me this where the issue is with Congress and the funding. No one on the Right is NOT wanting funding because they are pro-Putin and NO ONE has said that. But, alack, there will be no discussion of that. Just a blanket accusation because the Left is not getting their way yet.
@MrWhatsItToYa Yessir. #91 was to YOU but about what HE said. I was just asking who exactly he meant. Then when you started in you said I was pro-Putin because I had not denounced Putin already. I think that is when it deteriorated. No problem. Like I said I enjoy that you discuss things.
Why would you send something to me,but about what HE said?Without even explaining to me that it's about him?Of course I'm gonna think you are talking to me,when you are directly replying to me.Gee no wonder why the discussion with you always goes in circles.
You were "just asking who exactly he meant",by asking me?How the fuck am I supposed to know "who exactly he meant"?
Again another lie,I never said anyone in here was "pro Putin",never.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@MrWhatsItToYa Yessir. #91 was to YOU but about what HE said. I was just asking who exactly he meant. Then when you started in you said I was pro-Putin because I had not denounced Putin already. I think that is when it deteriorated. No problem. Like I said I enjoy that you discuss things.
Why would you send something to me,but about what HE said?Without even explaining to me that it's about him?Of course I'm gonna think you are talking to me,when you are directly replying to me.Gee no wonder why the discussion with you always goes in circles.
You were "just asking who exactly he meant",by asking me?How the fuck am I supposed to know "who exactly he meant"?
Again another lie,I never said anyone in here was "pro Putin",never.
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This all begs the question - why do so many people from this one party want Putin to continue to get stronger? Are they all on his payroll? (Tucker probably is.) As for those who are not on his payroll, they most certainly are living up the the Cold War moniker of being “useful idiots.”
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