Please I beg of you- Give me a better choice than Biden vs Trump II in 2024

After reading this again I’ve surmised that Robert Kennedy Jr. may be our only viable candidate 

I would take any candidate that lands somewhere in the middle vs another that lands in the middle. If we could avoid religion or extreme views in their platform that would be a bonus.

How can we make progress with two horrid choices, both are zeros, both are toxic, but in reality society is not demanding different so these two cancers are what the choices are. At least in wacky Euro countries the people get ticked off and boot a crappy politician and try again...might seem foreign to the US and our rigid party controlled process but there is some merit to it.

@wallstreetcappers

 Sure ! See if any steps up on the Right side of the isle and commits political suicide ? For a speckle they’d get more applause’s pouring a glass of Sunoco 260 on their heads and lighting a match! But you’d have to agree that Democrats would abandon a President who was anywhere near as terrible as Trump…….That’s as true as the sun will rise tomorrow!

Well let's see if they will. I have long felt some of this unearthing of Biden's documents scandal was pushed by the Far Left. This started coming out when there were rumors of him launching a 2024 campaign. But I think they've made peace and gone harder after Trump with the DOJ. If they can damage Trump (which if you are being honest is all they've done for the last 6+ years) to where he won't run or make him look bad to his supporters, Republicans on the fence and independents, then they can run that turd Biden out again and it's be 4 more years of Weekend At Biden's as they prop him up and run him out there, while they ruin the country from the shadows. 

joe I like you

…..and not in that way where I want both of our beard stubbles to scratch against themselves , and each other , till a mad passionate burning fire of love and desire ignites ……

as we sip white wine spritzers in front of the fireplace on that bearskin rug that you killed with your teeth when it was alive , but that now just lays there flaccid and empty , devoid of its soul , like the microwave portion of the hot pocket container that someone forgot to throw away , or like that sock that fell to the side of the washing machine , and didn’t go inside of it , before you cleaned a load of laundry …..

not that there’s anything wrong with that mind you 

but I’m not really corralling the gist of what you’re emoting .

You sayin’ that Republicans would half ass for a second be ok with , and deal with , a candidate that went to the center area of that ridiculous political spectrum that everyone just HAS to be part of ?

but the Democrats would revolt and never take part in that scenario ?

Just like a particularly obese Midwestern town in middle America would complain and call for the blood of the living …….

if they were told the 24 hour Arby’s in their area would go to a more normal 10 am to 10 pm hours of operation schedule so that the overworked and understaffed employees could spend some quality time with their families ?

what gives bro ? You on that heebeejeebie ?

clarification is in order buddy 

and I will respond and reciprocate in kind if necessary 

btw it’s RFK Jr. joe …… he’s our guy 

It's worse than just damaging him.  Democrats have worked since Day 1  to "remove him from office" when he was president, and are now are working on "preventing him from running for office" ever again.. 

totally agree

@Jarrett75

There no one that is a candidate on the right that is going get more votes than Trump received in 2020 ! Yes and that includes Trump.  That said, How did Trump’s handpicked state wide candidates do in 2022? Remember the red wave that wasn’t?

Every single election denying state wide candidate in a purple state lost in 2022. Three straight national elections have been lost for them due to Trumpism. Some GOP politicians are openly admitting that at this point. But does nothing to get independent voters

I’m not trying to blow smoke up anybody’s ass here. I’m just looking at recent election results and the very clear message they have been sending. I may be wrong, but I’m not going to be in a state of panic every day from now until November 2024. He lost in 2020, and that was before Jan 6th. He isn’t even trying to appeal to anyone to the left of Sean Hannity. How is he going to get enough independent or moderate votes to win? The GOP cannot win nationally with only the hardcore GOP base ! 

joepockets those are valid points 

but I fear that the two hemispheres of Biden’s brain are just playing PONG with his last remaining brain cell ……

so who’s our choice on the LEFT side then ?

@spockgato

 I’ve done my best to digest your last 2 posts and….What can I say ? ……But it made me see that I need to go fishing for a day or 2 , But before I do let me say this…….Try not to catastrophize. You can get through this political climate as they are not to be consuming to the depths of your posts ?…Keep your chin up and keep going and you will have good days ahead !

Do the best you can do … one day at a time.

All the best to you.

Thank you joepockets 

but I have absolutely no idea what you are saying 

just tell me that you do not have a candidate on the left that can win besides Biden .

that would be a little more , how shall we say , honest 

God bless you 

@Rush51

 Well what should happen to someone that trashes, abuses, insults, degrades all those he dislikes or is in his way? Do good thing happen to toxic jerks when they are not able to insulate themselves? Trump likes to control his environment and surround himself with people who will do and think what he says on his terms. He comes into the political arena and starts trashing people and not just crappy politicians like Biden but decent people, innocent people like reporters or some guy in a wheel chair, Trump is one of those awful scummy disgusting people who thinks he is above any consideration or care of others in general.

You can spare the drain the swam schtick and that the left is out to protect the swamp blah blah blah its garbage and you know it, he knows it because both sides are swamps and Trump cannot stop the real source of the swamp, so the whole routine is just a dog and pony show to snow the idiots who actually think there is some political group taking away the rights of the good religious gun toting Americans and if you vote Republican that all the bad evil Satan guys will be removed and we can start practicing religion in schools and pack guns anywhere we want. The swamp is guys like Trump, political corporate jerks who want to gain an advantage, get an edge and make more money...that is your swamp and Trump is one of the worst. Political partisan crap is merely serving corps and private interests, your side has them and the left has them its just which corp is carrying a begging bowl looking to rake in some cash.

Trump gets no sympathy, Biden gets no sympathy as both are disgusting slimy immoral corrupt jerks..no sympathy is needed, we should be looking for better leaders not entertainment and partisan lamp posts.

wallstreet you are on quite the hot streak . I like it . Your teeth are razor sharp , and I can hear the bloodcurdling screams echoing in the background as your ability to give fair blame to both sides is both welcoming and refreshing …..

if I’m Tully Blanchard or Arn Andersen than you are for sure Ric Flair . Woooo .

but I’ll stop promoting your greatness for a moment and I will abstain from sprinkling sugar all across your glistening awesomeness for a second and ask you this , because it’s really bugging me :

why do you think it is that conservatives rally around both religion AND guns when those two things seem to contradict themselves morally speaking ?

isn’t that a conflict of interests ?

Or hypocritical ?

Very odd ……

That one would preach about peace and love in this life , yet fight tooth and nail , with such an evil vigor , for their right to brandish weapons of death ……

what is your opinion on this ?

@Rush51 

@Jarrett75

Don't you guys realize Trump is his own worst enemy?

C'mon now....

@spockgato

 People guard what they think is theirs, property guns religion whatever...so the conservatives misread the constitution and think that it means they can practice religion and have masses of guns of any kind because the wording in the constitution which was meant for obviously different reasons is stretched like a balloon to serve the political purpose and get their buts to the polls to vote.

The government is not going to enslave you, that is the context to which the constitution was written because the colonists came from a government which tried to do that so they were for sure NOT going to allow that and it was one of the largest principals they ensured, but this is not England and it is not the 1700s, the militia is made up of citizens and the military is not remotely capable of enslaving the population and taking your guns but if that were the case the military will do whatever is necessary and there is nothing that you could do anyway. Widespread enslavement cant happen, we are too spread out and too large of population.

Religion is another misunderstood concept with regards to politics. I think religion was a biggie because again in England people were not allowed to worship as they wanted, it was controlled by the government since in England the two are mixed, religion and government to a degree and especially back then. To me religion should be that people have core values and strong morals in how they interact in society, not that religion needs to be in schools or in politics or government. It doesnt matter for the most part what religion you choose, most have strong moral components that serve well for social interaction and strong character concepts which impacts all aspects of life.

I appreciate and understand the opinions that you expressed in your thoughtful response so thank you for that wallstreet  

you gave me something to chew on and to digest , and whether people agree with you or not , they can not take away your right to explain things from the perspective from which you see them 

I bet when you look in the mirror you say….

“ god damn who is that dashing and handsomely debonair beefcake testosterone factory staring right back at me ? “ ……..don’t you ?

well here’s a hint ……. It’s you buddy 

yes it seems the rigid Constitution hasn’t been fully able to meet the demands of an ever changing society . It’s strict guidelines seem antiquated and archaic in some respects , and people’s open interpretation of words , and what they mean , as well as their fear of change , really piles the dookie turds of conflict all the way to the top and over the sides of our morality toilet bowls , to where now our shit is dripping and streaming in every direction…….

It’s a fucked up situation to say the least…..

because now anyone that even has a thought about entering into the bathroom of political conversation is gonna have to be prepared for that welcoming brown river of slippery poop juice that will get all over their comfortable shoes upon their very first step……

it’s boobytrapped I tell ya , and I didn’t just go through this whole spiel so I could type the word “ booby “ , believe that 

religion and guns seems a fuckin’ odd mix though bro …..

but what the fuck , I guess anything is possible after Laverne mixed milk with Pepsi , while at the same time Shirley would sleep with Boo Boo Kitty but wouldn’t give the pusssy up to the Big Ragu ya dig ? 

@wallstreetcappers

 Evidence? Where is it ? There is a  mountain-of evidence against President Trump and a mountain range yet to come! Your evenly comparisons between Biden and Trump in something I’d expect for Jesse Watters and not someone 20/20 sight to political discussion…..It’s heads and shoulders! Not remotely equal!

This old news that has been rehashed for the last 2 years so Ill explain for anyone that doesn’t know this, the 5 million dollar bribe to fire a prosecutor is pure performative Republican bullshit. Just another smoke screen to the MAGA BASE that seem to  have appetite for garbage equal to a carp!

Joe Biden DID, along with leaders of many other Western countries, push for the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor that was investing the oligarch owner of Burisma, Myron Zlochevsky.

But the reason that the prosecutor was fired was that he was in collusion with Zlochevsky to obstruct the investigation. This collusion resulted in some ill-gotten gains that had been frozen in Great Britain being returned to Zlochevsky, which lead to the outrage that resulted in his firing.

So the firing of the prosecutor went AGAINST the interests of Burisma.

Now, I will agree that Hunter Biden joining the board of Burisma was not a good look. But in addition to noting that Joe Biden, unlike Trump, has never been in business with his adult children I would also like to note that at the time the US was encouraging Westerners to join the boards of companies like Burisma as part of their anti-corruption initiatives…… These the facts! Nothing more nothing less 

joepockets I hope that those fish are biting for you 

now let me throw you a line :

wallstreet is entitled to his beliefs and he has stated them emphatically about Biden multiple times here in this forum .

if this is the first time that you are hearing about it , well , that’s a shame , because he attempted a few tantalizing discussions about it with a few of the members that post their “ thoughts “ in this political arena , or as KCBlitz likes to call it …..” the cesspool “ …..

because of their lack of responses to him , for whatever reason , the discussion never had the chance to grow or sprout , and it died there in pain where he typed it .

Rest in Peace to that discourse . We hardly knew thee 

remember if you fall into the water while fishing and no one was around to see it , it never happened 

just in case some DMX is really good fishing music too 

best of luck 

He needs to move on from 2020, I totally agree with that. He doesn't take getting outsmarted very well. He holds grudges on too many things. He offered Pelosi the national guard and she knew what she was doing. Trump knows business, he doesn't know everything about politics. He should have gone after Hillary and he let sleeping dogs lie. Those dogs have come back to bite him. He should have gone after them for spying on his campaign and he didn't and that has come back to bite him. I doubt anything would have been done as Washington is a cesspool, no one wanted him there especially Democrats, but Repubican's as well, RINO and alike. But yes Trump can definitely be his own worse enemy, 100%. 

On a side note, before he ran for president, I didn't like Trump very much at all. He got butt hurt years back on a radio show I listened to called Opie and Anthony. He stopped coming on, but his some Don Jr came on. Also on the 30 for 30 about the CFL, Charley Steiner told a story about Trump and at the end gave a backhanded compliment and they told Trump what he said and Trump actually thought he was complimenting him. Trump said something to the effect of, 'if he meant it as a compliment then thank you'. He didn't mean it as one. I was like sheeesh he's full of himself. But when he ran for president, he was the change in Washington that Obama claimed he was going to be, which is why I voted for Obama the first time. He wasn't the change he claimed, maybe he got to Washington and they threw money at him and his ideals and morals went out the window. Trump actually tried to change how Washington does business and they all hated him for it. His people like Cruz, turkey neck McConnel and Lindsey Graham supported him begrudgingly. 

@Jarrett75

 ive heard your comments regarding what Trump tried to do from MANY GOP voters but nobody can identify exactly what it meant...he tried to change Washington, how exactly did he TRY to do that? What in a non-partisan way did he try to do that would change Washington? I think that is just a line of crap that the GOP spins but has nothing to it. He didnt try anything to make politics better, he tried to go golfing, he tried to pick fights, he tried to tweet every day, he tried to give corps a tax holiday. he tried and did mess up the tax code. He tried to buddy up to Putin and the dictator in North Korea, he tried to make moves for his kids and his business interests.

What did he TRY to do that would have made a non-partisan impact for society? Stacking conservative supreme court judges is not making a change, that is partisan rigging, that does not change anything.

In all seriousness can you spell out what he did or tried to do that brought about change? I am not interested in blaming Democrats for stopping his efforts, what I want to know is what did HE try to do to change the establishment?

If you or any of the other boys try to reply, give answers not blame or partisan finger pointing, spell out what his agenda was that is NOT partisan and that would actually bring change?

I can name many things that would change politics...getting rid of lobbyists and corporate influence, term limits (not speaking about the issue, DOING it) getting rid of the electoral college, making the SCOTUS a term based appointment. These are non-partisan issues that COULD change Washington, Id really like to hear what he DID or attempted to do not using "drain the swamp" lingo that means nothing, to me Trump is the swamp so drain yourself if you really mean that...

You gentlemen here are more politically savvy than the average American . I’m not being sarcastic . I think you are simply not looking at it in this way :

Trump , with his sensationalism , braggadocio , and celebrity , as his gimmick , throat punched the establishment because people jumped on it , and not just as a novelty , but because they were bored with and tired of the smarmy politicians that have been camping in Washington since forever , or since they can remember …..

did he pull a fast one ? Not live up to the hype ? You be the judge …..

but the change was simply something different ….

that asshole from TV who owns casinos and bangs pretty models and is rich and famous got  some people hyped up to take the ride with him and it worked ……

every regular joe schmo who could care less about politics said “ ok , why not , I’m in , cuz the circus is in town and this guy gave me free tickets ….. “

that is the change that he sold Johnny America on , something different than a stuffy , dorky , tight assed politician who doesn’t really do much anyway 

@spockgato

 So outside of his self promoting, abusing, loud and obnoxious approach how does that change the establishment? A lack of class, demeaning women and handicapped, putting down McCain and making racist comments to Warren how does that make society better?

If the goal is to glue eyes to the screen ok well mission accomplished but that is not what the story is being told, he was changing the establishment not running a TV show for ratings.

I am wanting to know what he did or tried to do that had a non-partisan impact on politics, something that made society better..not that it got ratings or ticked people off to go vote as that is not changing anything, that is dividing and enraging and we have plenty of that without him being involved.

If you want political theater go to Europe, that approach has been going on for decades.

Well one thing he tried to do was change how lobbyist system worked. 

Donald Trump Signs 5-Year Lobbying Ban for Administration | Time