You keep talking about, "The media... The media..." When did it become in vogue to simply blame the media when hearing an opinion one doesn't like nor agree with. This has nothing to do with the media. Officers themselves often cite fear as the impetus for using deadly force. I posit that this fear is unwarranted. You yourself posted an article in which a veteran cop say they are trained to be fearful. No cop I have ever known is everyday fearful either but clearly some are. They are fearful of what's possible rather than what's plaudible. Yes, maybe every traffic stop could potentially end in a shootout. It's possible but is it plausible? No. The numbers don't support this.
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You keep talking about, "The media... The media..." When did it become in vogue to simply blame the media when hearing an opinion one doesn't like nor agree with. This has nothing to do with the media. Officers themselves often cite fear as the impetus for using deadly force. I posit that this fear is unwarranted. You yourself posted an article in which a veteran cop say they are trained to be fearful. No cop I have ever known is everyday fearful either but clearly some are. They are fearful of what's possible rather than what's plaudible. Yes, maybe every traffic stop could potentially end in a shootout. It's possible but is it plausible? No. The numbers don't support this.
And frankly, you keep making my points. "It's dangerous like a soldier." No, it's not. They are not in warzones, regardless of how violent some of or cities are. These are not insurgents. They are not soldiers nor do they receive the level of training of soldiers. Brooklyn Center isn't Fallujah. You're pushing a narrative. I'm saying the narrative is bullshit and the numbers don't support it. I guess it's maybe something you're getting from the media.
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And frankly, you keep making my points. "It's dangerous like a soldier." No, it's not. They are not in warzones, regardless of how violent some of or cities are. These are not insurgents. They are not soldiers nor do they receive the level of training of soldiers. Brooklyn Center isn't Fallujah. You're pushing a narrative. I'm saying the narrative is bullshit and the numbers don't support it. I guess it's maybe something you're getting from the media.
And frankly, you keep making my points. "It's dangerous like a soldier." No, it's not. They are not in warzones, regardless of how violent some of or cities are. These are not insurgents. They are not soldiers nor do they receive the level of training of soldiers. Brooklyn Center isn't Fallujah. You're pushing a narrative. I'm saying the narrative is bullshit and the numbers don't support it. I guess it's maybe something you're getting from the media.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
And frankly, you keep making my points. "It's dangerous like a soldier." No, it's not. They are not in warzones, regardless of how violent some of or cities are. These are not insurgents. They are not soldiers nor do they receive the level of training of soldiers. Brooklyn Center isn't Fallujah. You're pushing a narrative. I'm saying the narrative is bullshit and the numbers don't support it. I guess it's maybe something you're getting from the media.
The US government is like the big, 4-star restaurant that cracks down on the hot dog out front that is blowing them out of the water. They're like Spago. An institution. They take this for granted. Like they are too big to fail. It's where the old money eats. Leave those tasty bacon wrapped hot dogs to the fringes of society. Then all of a sudden when those old money Mayflower types start saying, "Hey, those hot dogs look pretty tasty." I mean, is Spago even open anymore? Has anyone under the age of 35 ever heard of Spago?
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The US government is like the big, 4-star restaurant that cracks down on the hot dog out front that is blowing them out of the water. They're like Spago. An institution. They take this for granted. Like they are too big to fail. It's where the old money eats. Leave those tasty bacon wrapped hot dogs to the fringes of society. Then all of a sudden when those old money Mayflower types start saying, "Hey, those hot dogs look pretty tasty." I mean, is Spago even open anymore? Has anyone under the age of 35 ever heard of Spago?
YOur point seems to be the same as the media’s is why I say that? That the cops are living in fear.
If that is not your point I am sorry I misunderstood your point.
My point is that they are NOT living in fear UNTIL they should be — same as the soldier. Not like the fireman, or logger, etc. where they are constantly working in danger. Cops generally are not that unsafe. So, I wish the folks would not make it seem like they are constantly in fear — they are not
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YOur point seems to be the same as the media’s is why I say that? That the cops are living in fear.
If that is not your point I am sorry I misunderstood your point.
My point is that they are NOT living in fear UNTIL they should be — same as the soldier. Not like the fireman, or logger, etc. where they are constantly working in danger. Cops generally are not that unsafe. So, I wish the folks would not make it seem like they are constantly in fear — they are not
And frankly, you keep making my points. "It's dangerous like a soldier." No, it's not. They are not in warzones, regardless of how violent some of or cities are. These are not insurgents. They are not soldiers nor do they receive the level of training of soldiers. Brooklyn Center isn't Fallujah. You're pushing a narrative. I'm saying the narrative is bullshit and the numbers don't support it. I guess it's maybe something you're getting from the media.
This is not at all what I am saying. My point is that it is the same type of fear when a gun is pointed at you or about to be pointed at you. Not like a fireman, logger, or taxi driver. Two different things. It is not univocal usage of the word to me.
Nah. I think media just pushing any anti-,defunding-police movement they can. I don’t buy into much of their stuff on this.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
And frankly, you keep making my points. "It's dangerous like a soldier." No, it's not. They are not in warzones, regardless of how violent some of or cities are. These are not insurgents. They are not soldiers nor do they receive the level of training of soldiers. Brooklyn Center isn't Fallujah. You're pushing a narrative. I'm saying the narrative is bullshit and the numbers don't support it. I guess it's maybe something you're getting from the media.
This is not at all what I am saying. My point is that it is the same type of fear when a gun is pointed at you or about to be pointed at you. Not like a fireman, logger, or taxi driver. Two different things. It is not univocal usage of the word to me.
Nah. I think media just pushing any anti-,defunding-police movement they can. I don’t buy into much of their stuff on this.
And frankly, you keep making my points. "It's dangerous like a soldier." No, it's not. They are not in warzones, regardless of how violent some of or cities are. These are not insurgents. They are not soldiers nor do they receive the level of training of soldiers. Brooklyn Center isn't Fallujah. You're pushing a narrative. I'm saying the narrative is bullshit and the numbers don't support it. I guess it's maybe something you're getting from the media.
This is not at all what I am saying. My point is that it is the same type of fear when a gun is pointed at you or about to be pointed at you. Not like a fireman, logger, or taxi driver. Two different things. It is not univocal usage of the word to me.
Nah. I think media just pushing any anti-,defunding-police movement they can. I don’t buy into much of their stuff on this.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
And frankly, you keep making my points. "It's dangerous like a soldier." No, it's not. They are not in warzones, regardless of how violent some of or cities are. These are not insurgents. They are not soldiers nor do they receive the level of training of soldiers. Brooklyn Center isn't Fallujah. You're pushing a narrative. I'm saying the narrative is bullshit and the numbers don't support it. I guess it's maybe something you're getting from the media.
This is not at all what I am saying. My point is that it is the same type of fear when a gun is pointed at you or about to be pointed at you. Not like a fireman, logger, or taxi driver. Two different things. It is not univocal usage of the word to me.
Nah. I think media just pushing any anti-,defunding-police movement they can. I don’t buy into much of their stuff on this.
@Raiders22 The point I am making is why are cops so in fear for their lives? It is an extremely dangerous job but the numbers don't support this notion that cop's lives are so much more at risk. At what point is, "I was afraid." not enough? If so many cops are so afraid, they are in the wrong profession. Like I said, this case isn't particularly egregious but to look at the case of, say, Philando Castille... He was complying. All these cops are so afraid. Go be garbage men. They don't make cops like they used to. It would be hard to argue that there aren't far less racist cops than there were 20... 40... 60 years ago. I don't think this is simply a race thing. I think it's a prejudice thing but more than that, I think it's a societal thing. I think people just aren't made the same. Men can't change tires. Cops are always afraid. You asked what facts i'm using. I say again, covid killed more cops in the line of duty last year than bullets. Guns killed 48, down from 51 in 2019. Miss me with the bullshit about how much pressure they're under. A lot of it's real. A lot of it's in their own heads. I know cops. Oakland cops. Not some suburban cops. They aren't 24/7 on edge. One went to the academy at 18, has close to 30 years in, has never shot a kid during a traffic stop. 30 years in Oakland, you know he's had some moments were he's had to rock and roll. And not only that, he has had colleagues killed in the line of duty. There was one instance that was pretty well covered were several officers were gunned down. It can be a dangerous job. So can delivering pizza in the wrong neighborhood. Fear is not an excuse. This is the job you signed up for.
excellent points
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
@Raiders22 The point I am making is why are cops so in fear for their lives? It is an extremely dangerous job but the numbers don't support this notion that cop's lives are so much more at risk. At what point is, "I was afraid." not enough? If so many cops are so afraid, they are in the wrong profession. Like I said, this case isn't particularly egregious but to look at the case of, say, Philando Castille... He was complying. All these cops are so afraid. Go be garbage men. They don't make cops like they used to. It would be hard to argue that there aren't far less racist cops than there were 20... 40... 60 years ago. I don't think this is simply a race thing. I think it's a prejudice thing but more than that, I think it's a societal thing. I think people just aren't made the same. Men can't change tires. Cops are always afraid. You asked what facts i'm using. I say again, covid killed more cops in the line of duty last year than bullets. Guns killed 48, down from 51 in 2019. Miss me with the bullshit about how much pressure they're under. A lot of it's real. A lot of it's in their own heads. I know cops. Oakland cops. Not some suburban cops. They aren't 24/7 on edge. One went to the academy at 18, has close to 30 years in, has never shot a kid during a traffic stop. 30 years in Oakland, you know he's had some moments were he's had to rock and roll. And not only that, he has had colleagues killed in the line of duty. There was one instance that was pretty well covered were several officers were gunned down. It can be a dangerous job. So can delivering pizza in the wrong neighborhood. Fear is not an excuse. This is the job you signed up for.
North Carolina officials on Thursday faced growing pressure to release body camera footage of the death of Andrew Brown Jr., a Black man who was fatally shot by law enforcement on Wednesday morning in Elizabeth City.
Brown was unarmed, said Harry Daniels, the Brown family's attorney. Witness accounts paint a picture of an "unlawful, unjustified killing" in which multiple law enforcement officers shot as Brown fled the scene
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USA TODAY, April 22
North Carolina officials on Thursday faced growing pressure to release body camera footage of the death of Andrew Brown Jr., a Black man who was fatally shot by law enforcement on Wednesday morning in Elizabeth City.
Brown was unarmed, said Harry Daniels, the Brown family's attorney. Witness accounts paint a picture of an "unlawful, unjustified killing" in which multiple law enforcement officers shot as Brown fled the scene
So I guess the cops should have let him flee the scene & possibly put other citizens in danger as they chased the convicted felon through the streets? Or maybe just let him go & find him some other day? Or maybe they should have shot out his tires so he couldn't go anywhere? A judge should approve the release of the video ASAP or the pot will continue to boil.
Yeah, good points!
And a tough one to call.
But they do have radios, chase procedures, and ability to VERY QUICKLY set up roadblocks to effect a recapture.
The other side of the argument is that should police shoot-to-kill any and every "suspect" who flees?
Fleeing should never be a death sentence.
Hasher punishment perhaps, but not a death sentence.
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
So I guess the cops should have let him flee the scene & possibly put other citizens in danger as they chased the convicted felon through the streets? Or maybe just let him go & find him some other day? Or maybe they should have shot out his tires so he couldn't go anywhere? A judge should approve the release of the video ASAP or the pot will continue to boil.
Yeah, good points!
And a tough one to call.
But they do have radios, chase procedures, and ability to VERY QUICKLY set up roadblocks to effect a recapture.
The other side of the argument is that should police shoot-to-kill any and every "suspect" who flees?
Fleeing should never be a death sentence.
Hasher punishment perhaps, but not a death sentence.
In 2018 current Minnesota AG Keith Ellison won his election by 4%.
His GOP competitor in that race was Doug Wardlow who promised to fire 42 Democratic attorneys right off the bat. Wardlow is currently general counsel for My Pillow.
Imagine if he not Ellison were AG for the George Floyd case.
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In 2018 current Minnesota AG Keith Ellison won his election by 4%.
His GOP competitor in that race was Doug Wardlow who promised to fire 42 Democratic attorneys right off the bat. Wardlow is currently general counsel for My Pillow.
Imagine if he not Ellison were AG for the George Floyd case.
Unarmed black man shot by deputy who gave him a ride home
An attorney for Isaiah Brown, 32, said his client was shot while on the phone with 911 after the deputy -- who had returned to respond to a "domestic incident," per state police -- mistook a cell phone for a gun.
Brown was taken to a local hospital after the shooting early Wednesday with serious but non-life-threatening injuries
The shooting took place after a Spotsylvania County Sheriff's deputy responded to a call about a "disabled motorist" and gave Brown a ride home from a gas station, state police said.
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Unarmed black man shot by deputy who gave him a ride home
An attorney for Isaiah Brown, 32, said his client was shot while on the phone with 911 after the deputy -- who had returned to respond to a "domestic incident," per state police -- mistook a cell phone for a gun.
Brown was taken to a local hospital after the shooting early Wednesday with serious but non-life-threatening injuries
The shooting took place after a Spotsylvania County Sheriff's deputy responded to a call about a "disabled motorist" and gave Brown a ride home from a gas station, state police said.
Attorney for Andrew Brown Jr.'s family says video of fatal police shooting shows 'execution'
Andrew Brown Jr., 42, was fatally shot by Pasquotank County sheriff's deputies in Elizabeth City on Wednesday when they attempted to serve him with a search warrant, the sheriff's office said.
On Monday afternoon, after an earlier delay, Pasquotank County Attorney Michael Cox showed Brown's family and attorneys a short clip from one deputy's body camera that family attorney Chantel Cherry-Lassiter said showed an "execution."
Cherry-Lassiter said the video was 20 seconds long and shows deputies shot at Brown as he sat in his vehicle with his hands on the steering wheel. "He wasn't reaching for anything, he wasn't touching anything, he wasn't throwing anything around," she said. Both hands were on the steering wheel.
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Attorney for Andrew Brown Jr.'s family says video of fatal police shooting shows 'execution'
Andrew Brown Jr., 42, was fatally shot by Pasquotank County sheriff's deputies in Elizabeth City on Wednesday when they attempted to serve him with a search warrant, the sheriff's office said.
On Monday afternoon, after an earlier delay, Pasquotank County Attorney Michael Cox showed Brown's family and attorneys a short clip from one deputy's body camera that family attorney Chantel Cherry-Lassiter said showed an "execution."
Cherry-Lassiter said the video was 20 seconds long and shows deputies shot at Brown as he sat in his vehicle with his hands on the steering wheel. "He wasn't reaching for anything, he wasn't touching anything, he wasn't throwing anything around," she said. Both hands were on the steering wheel.
Saw that I am sure they will find we perceived immunity that this was justified as well. In the mean time burn every black buisness in the ghetto i guess ghetto has become politically incorrect so inner city accepted?
that learn em.
Same ole same ole
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Saw that I am sure they will find we perceived immunity that this was justified as well. In the mean time burn every black buisness in the ghetto i guess ghetto has become politically incorrect so inner city accepted?
Attorney for Andrew Brown Jr.'s family says video of fatal police shooting shows 'execution'
Andrew Brown Jr., 42, was fatally shot by Pasquotank County sheriff's deputies in Elizabeth City on Wednesday when they attempted to serve him with a search warrant, the sheriff's office said.
On Monday afternoon, after an earlier delay, Pasquotank County Attorney Michael Cox showed Brown's family and attorneys a short clip from one deputy's body camera that family attorney Chantel Cherry-Lassiter said showed an "execution."
Cherry-Lassiter said the video was 20 seconds long and shows deputies shot at Brown as he sat in his vehicle with his hands on the steering wheel. "He wasn't reaching for anything, he wasn't touching anything, he wasn't throwing anything around," she said. Both hands were on the steering wheel.
incredible with all that is already going on police execute a suspect ,who is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Attorney for Andrew Brown Jr.'s family says video of fatal police shooting shows 'execution'
Andrew Brown Jr., 42, was fatally shot by Pasquotank County sheriff's deputies in Elizabeth City on Wednesday when they attempted to serve him with a search warrant, the sheriff's office said.
On Monday afternoon, after an earlier delay, Pasquotank County Attorney Michael Cox showed Brown's family and attorneys a short clip from one deputy's body camera that family attorney Chantel Cherry-Lassiter said showed an "execution."
Cherry-Lassiter said the video was 20 seconds long and shows deputies shot at Brown as he sat in his vehicle with his hands on the steering wheel. "He wasn't reaching for anything, he wasn't touching anything, he wasn't throwing anything around," she said. Both hands were on the steering wheel.
incredible with all that is already going on police execute a suspect ,who is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law
Police can kill with percieved immunity for any cause they can say I thought he had a gun and walk away.
If the footage cleared police it would be released in its entirety immediately but dirty cops playing by their own rules.
Well that footage is never being released unedited. A 20 min standoff from 7 body cameras is reduced to 20 sec clip authorized to viewed by the public.
I was told by the district attorney that the family will get to see the raw footage, not the redacted version," Harry Daniels, an attorney for the family, told reporters. "These county administrators are walking back the promises they have made. Show the tape. If you ain't got nothing to hide, show the tape."
Pasquotank County Attorney Michael Cox had said in a statement that redactions were being made to the video, which he said was sometimes necessary to "protect an active internal investigation." He said that while state law permits the showing of the video to Brown's family in private, it "also allows us to blur some faces on the video and that process takes time."
In a press conference, Sheriff Wooton promised to be transparent about the incident.
"If any of my deputies broke any laws or violated any policies that come out through this investigation, they will be held accountable," Wooton said.
In maine it can take years to release body can footage or complete investigations.
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Same ole same ole.
Police can kill with percieved immunity for any cause they can say I thought he had a gun and walk away.
If the footage cleared police it would be released in its entirety immediately but dirty cops playing by their own rules.
Well that footage is never being released unedited. A 20 min standoff from 7 body cameras is reduced to 20 sec clip authorized to viewed by the public.
I was told by the district attorney that the family will get to see the raw footage, not the redacted version," Harry Daniels, an attorney for the family, told reporters. "These county administrators are walking back the promises they have made. Show the tape. If you ain't got nothing to hide, show the tape."
Pasquotank County Attorney Michael Cox had said in a statement that redactions were being made to the video, which he said was sometimes necessary to "protect an active internal investigation." He said that while state law permits the showing of the video to Brown's family in private, it "also allows us to blur some faces on the video and that process takes time."
In a press conference, Sheriff Wooton promised to be transparent about the incident.
"If any of my deputies broke any laws or violated any policies that come out through this investigation, they will be held accountable," Wooton said.
In maine it can take years to release body can footage or complete investigations.
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