@MrWhatsItToYa

  I love that movie.  When I quote to some folks and they stare at me -- it is hard to realize everyone has not seen it.

@MrWhatsItToYa 

But I can't really support them if they don't run,and I can't make them run.And don't ask me to say who they are,cause we discussed all that already.

But hey Shirley,couldn't you do the same thing and go for somebody different then the criminal?

Absolutely, if the guy is convicted and if it is something that someone feels strongly about, like you do, then they should consider someone else.

The tricky part is what if he stills runs and you have to choose between an incompetent failure and Trump -- then you have to consider staying home I guess.

Sad.  

I get your point that these are the only two running maybe.  But why do the Democrats NOT run someone else?  Look at bis numbers and the polls.  At least Trump has some guys trying to run against him -- incompetent as they are.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 I am headed downstairs to get breakfast and coffee.  I got up too early for the football game.

I have a chess game in about an hour.  

I will reply back later this this evening, or afternoon for you I guess.

But I am still curious why you ranked the Bush's where you do and why?  What criteria do you base those on.

And try to consider someone besides this old guy for office. 

Unfortunately for you guys he runs your whole party.What happened in the House is direct proof of that.You's will let a criminal conman drive you right off a cliff with his lies.And like Lindsey said "we will get destroyed and we will deserve it".

I'm not interested in Biden's issues either.

@Raiders22

 Because I don't see Clinton or Newsome,or Haley or Ronny winning against trump or Biden,so that's who's gonna be there at the end.I will not throw a vote to someone I know can't win.

@Raiders22

 You gotta watch that movie about 5 times to catch everything.

ABC News:

Mark Meadows received immunity to testify to special counsel in federal election subversion probe

CNN —

Donald Trump’s former chief of staff, Mark Meadows,
was granted immunity by special counsel Jack Smith
and has met with federal prosecutors multiple times
in their investigation into the efforts to overturn the
2020 presidential election, according to ABC News.

Meadows told investigators he did not believe the
      election was stolen and that Trump was being
     “dishonest” in claiming victory shortly after polls
      closed in 2020, according to ABC.

*Note: to be granted immunity from his own indictment, what Meadows has to offer against his former mob boss must be fairly substantive.

@MrWhatsItToYa

I'm not interested in Biden's issues either.

Sure, I can understand that.  I am not interested in Biden's issues either.  But if you are not interested in the current President's issues, why care about the past President's issues.  You constantly bring them up no matter the subject.

What you should care about is the country's issues with Biden, at least I hope. 

Very true.  That is my concern.

Both parties have had FOUR YEARS to find better candidates to run and neither party did! It is absolutely astonishing that they insist on running these old guys.

It does not seem that the Democrats have as many up-and-coming young guys as the Republicans -- but they have some.  They both also had FOUR years to get it together.  This is so sad.

I mean Newsome could easily be a great candidate for the Democrats.  Clinton is still the same and certainly more together in the head than Biden is.  No folks in Congress want to step up?

Republicans are in such disarray they cannot group together behind a speaker.  So, no way they will unite behind a candidate even if it is Trump.

The one thing you have to give credit to the Democrat party is that they unite behind whomever is standing at the end; Republicans will stay home and not vote if their candidate of choice is not there.

For sure, I think Haley and Newsome would be more interesting than two old guys that each have so many issues.

But there have to be even better candidates than Haley and Newsome -- but in four years time they did not step forward and no one looked for them.

If they did find some to run--NOW that would be GOOD NEWS.

Have not seen in many years -- will have to make time to catch again 

Haha! I understand and believe that!  Most on the Left will do that.  My point above implies that.  The Left will vote FOR someone or AGAINST someone; the RIGHT rarely will vote AGAINST someone. 

My concern is why you would vote against what I think are your best interests or what is in the best interest of the country as a whole.  But I get that you CANNOT wait just to VOTE against Trump.  I believe that may be the ONLY reason the Left does not care who is running -- they just want to vote AGAINST Trump.

 I think my previous post above covers this. I have said very many times this is not true of the Right as much as the Left.  Look at McCain and Romney as two examples.

You can even question why Trump did not do even better the first time around.  You can take this all the way back to Reagan and compare the first and second term, etc.

But they still have a long time to get some changes done.  We shall see.

But I will always hold out hope that some folks -- no matter how few -- will realize how devastating the policies on the Left are for the country.  

I will also hold out hope people will set aside personal feelings somewhat and vote for the best interests of the country.

@MrWhatsItToYa

@MrWhatsItToYa

I did just see this.

Rep. Dean Phillips is challenging Biden in Democratic presidential primary

In the interview, Phillips, 54, said he admires Mr. Biden, 80, but believes it is time for a new generation of Democrats to lead the party, especially with former poised to potentially be the Republican presidential nominee.

Phillips said he has studied polling data and is alarmed about the prospect of Trump beating Mr. Biden, should the 2024 election end up becoming rematch of the 2020 race.

"I think President Biden has done a spectacular job for our country," Phillips said. "But it's not about the past. This is an election about the future."

@MrWhatsItToYa

 So, maybe there will be some additional choices. 

The United Auto Workers union is getting close to tentative labor deals with both General Motors and Stellantis, according to three sources familiar with negotiations.

If deals with the two automakers are reached, it would be the beginning of the end of America’s longest auto strike in 25 years,

"Obama saved the economy"  

Please see "Mr. Ben Bernanke" for your daily history lesson....then, go read the book "Lords of Easy Money"  

-you're welcome 

Gotcha.  Yeah until they are personal issues that affect his ability to perform for the country they do not matter.  
If they are of that type of concern I am sure they will prove it in court.  If they do that well enough I am sure that the folk’s attitude will change from supporting him.  
But from what I have seen this is not the case. 
I think the Biden issues would be more concerning if they prove ‘bribes’ or kickbacks of sorts and political favoring.  
But the issue is still the same — neither party has anyone in the pipeline and ready to go. 

U.S. GDP Growth Rates ; 

Trump ; 

2020 ; (2.77%)  (Pandemic)

2019 ; 2.29%

2018 ; 2.95%

2017 ; 2.24%  (Tax Cuts & Jobs Act passed)

O'bama ; 

2016 ; 1.67%

2015 ; 2.71%

2014 ; 2.29%

2013 ; 1.84%

2012 ; 2.28%

2011 ; 1.55%

2010 ; 2.71%

2009 ; (2.6%) (Financial Crisis)

Ave. Annual GDP Growth under Trump (2017-2019) ; 2.5%

Ave. Annual GDP Growth under O'bama (2010 - 2017) ; 2.15% 

* A few things to note ; 

-  Years 2009 and 2020 have been thrown out in the data due to the Financial Crisis & the Pandemic.... Keep in mind though, Trump was not able to benefit from the big "bounce back" in 2021, which was 5.95% growth !! O'bama benefited from this clearly in 2010.

-  O'bama has absolutely no excuse for "anemic" GDP growth of 1.x %  in 2011, 2013, and 2016...  None 

-  GDP growth accelerated in 2018 after the 2017 Tax Cuts & Jobs Act was passed.

- The Pandemic seriously interrupted the economic cycle and GDP growth under Trump.   It will always remain a big question mark what those numbers in 2020 would've been, absent the Pandemic.  

It isn't "that I cannot wait just to vote against trump".I actually wish that some of the republicans with common sense would grow some balls and try and regain the party from a criminal and a conman.But in reality all the blame goes to the republican voters who continue to show their support to a POS who,

1.brags about sexually assaulting women.

2.tries to overturn our election results because the toddler can't admit he lost the election.

3.takes classified documents of this country,and refuses to give them back.Then cries when they are taken back by the government by having to issue a search warrant of his property to get them back.

They "don't just wanna vote against trump",they realize trump is willing to burn this country down to the ground,just so he don't have to face the consequences of the crimes he's committed.That's why Biden got the most votes of any president ever,not because of who Biden is.

Worry about yourself,don't worry about what YOU think I should do,I'll take care of that myself.