With the candidates pretty clear as of last night.... I thought I would post about the election. My biggest bet of my lifetime was on Obama in 2008, as posted here at covers - and I have been on the right side the last 4 elections.
I am going to make this simple. I always go back to math. Sure if you watch the CNNs or Fox News of the world- you will hear really anything you want to hear. But there is one simple truth that gets drowned out in all the noise:
The US voting demographic has changed drastically in the last 20 years.
If you are a Republican running for President in 2016, you start a 100 yard dash 200 yards from the finish line. Democrats start with a 242-180 electorate lead before the race even starts because of states who are already decided. You only need 270 to win. These states are Florida, Ohio, Virginia, NC, Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and NH. You might argue Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are on that list too, although that is probably a stretch.
There are only a handful of states that decide elections - and since the Dem is only 28 electoral votes away from winning - it means that the Dem could win Florida alone out of all of the swing states and still win the election.
The math just isnt there for Trump. He has to almost clean sweep the swing states - which is a bigger longshot than his current betting odds suggest.
In the coming months you will hear polls - and you will hear opinions. There is only one thing that matters - can Trump win the states listed above? Can he win almost all of them?
I missed the boat several times with Clinton at better odds. And laying close to -300 now doesnt excite me either - but I still think she should be about -800 or so.
Don't get sucked in to betting on Trump. There is a definite political movement there - but the math just isnt there.
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With the candidates pretty clear as of last night.... I thought I would post about the election. My biggest bet of my lifetime was on Obama in 2008, as posted here at covers - and I have been on the right side the last 4 elections.
I am going to make this simple. I always go back to math. Sure if you watch the CNNs or Fox News of the world- you will hear really anything you want to hear. But there is one simple truth that gets drowned out in all the noise:
The US voting demographic has changed drastically in the last 20 years.
If you are a Republican running for President in 2016, you start a 100 yard dash 200 yards from the finish line. Democrats start with a 242-180 electorate lead before the race even starts because of states who are already decided. You only need 270 to win. These states are Florida, Ohio, Virginia, NC, Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and NH. You might argue Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are on that list too, although that is probably a stretch.
There are only a handful of states that decide elections - and since the Dem is only 28 electoral votes away from winning - it means that the Dem could win Florida alone out of all of the swing states and still win the election.
The math just isnt there for Trump. He has to almost clean sweep the swing states - which is a bigger longshot than his current betting odds suggest.
In the coming months you will hear polls - and you will hear opinions. There is only one thing that matters - can Trump win the states listed above? Can he win almost all of them?
I missed the boat several times with Clinton at better odds. And laying close to -300 now doesnt excite me either - but I still think she should be about -800 or so.
Don't get sucked in to betting on Trump. There is a definite political movement there - but the math just isnt there.
Very accurate. Trying to win money on HRC for me would be blood money. That's me. I hope Trump wins in a landslide. A quiet revolution is taking place. Hillary in not in front of it. Trump is.
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Very accurate. Trying to win money on HRC for me would be blood money. That's me. I hope Trump wins in a landslide. A quiet revolution is taking place. Hillary in not in front of it. Trump is.
Democrats concede most of the south, and Florida was a huge win for Trump, and decisive numbers are there. The problem you neglected is that Hillaryis very much establishment, and she will need to get out the vote. It is fine to have more registered voters, but if they're less enthused, they will stay home on Nov 8. Obama just killed the African American vote last two cycles, sorry Vanzack but you're SADLY mistaken if you think she even sniffs that level of excitement and drive from voters. Not only that, you completely disregard the VP selection. If Teump chooses the NM governor, a female Hispanic, Trump will reduce his losses with women and Latinos. Trump knows what you said about how hard it is to win as. Republican. You act as if he doesn't and only you the Obama voter has the gamblers insight. Get real. This is worse than your pathetic World Cup analyses that tanked. Pennsylvania is going red. Your -300 is toast, so is your haughty analysis. Flushed!!!
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Democrats concede most of the south, and Florida was a huge win for Trump, and decisive numbers are there. The problem you neglected is that Hillaryis very much establishment, and she will need to get out the vote. It is fine to have more registered voters, but if they're less enthused, they will stay home on Nov 8. Obama just killed the African American vote last two cycles, sorry Vanzack but you're SADLY mistaken if you think she even sniffs that level of excitement and drive from voters. Not only that, you completely disregard the VP selection. If Teump chooses the NM governor, a female Hispanic, Trump will reduce his losses with women and Latinos. Trump knows what you said about how hard it is to win as. Republican. You act as if he doesn't and only you the Obama voter has the gamblers insight. Get real. This is worse than your pathetic World Cup analyses that tanked. Pennsylvania is going red. Your -300 is toast, so is your haughty analysis. Flushed!!!
You dropped your dookie into the toilet bowl that is this political forum, and it has been dutifully flushed before it stinks up the joint! Remember to wipe and wash ! Watch the door on your way out! Flushed!
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You dropped your dookie into the toilet bowl that is this political forum, and it has been dutifully flushed before it stinks up the joint! Remember to wipe and wash ! Watch the door on your way out! Flushed!
You dropped your dookie into the toilet bowl that is this political forum, and it has been dutifully flushed before it stinks up the joint! Remember to wipe and wash ! Watch the door on your way out! Flushed!
So I guess that makes you a 'floater'
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Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:
You dropped your dookie into the toilet bowl that is this political forum, and it has been dutifully flushed before it stinks up the joint! Remember to wipe and wash ! Watch the door on your way out! Flushed!
Democrats concede most of the south, and Florida was a huge win for Trump, and decisive numbers are there. The problem you neglected is that Hillaryis very much establishment, and she will need to get out the vote. It is fine to have more registered voters, but if they're less enthused, they will stay home on Nov 8. Obama just killed the African American vote last two cycles, sorry Vanzack but you're SADLY mistaken if you think she even sniffs that level of excitement and drive from voters. Not only that, you completely disregard the VP selection. If Teump chooses the NM governor, a female Hispanic, Trump will reduce his losses with women and Latinos. Trump knows what you said about how hard it is to win as. Republican. You act as if he doesn't and only you the Obama voter has the gamblers insight. Get real. This is worse than your pathetic World Cup analyses that tanked. Pennsylvania is going red. Your -300 is toast, so is your haughty analysis. Flushed!!!
OK. What states is Trump going to take away from Clinton?
Not vague answers. Actual states.
She starts at 242 unless you tell me states that Trump is going take way.
It really doesnt matter if clintons supporters arent "energized". This is news network rhetoric. Tell me the states. Thats what matters.
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Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:
Democrats concede most of the south, and Florida was a huge win for Trump, and decisive numbers are there. The problem you neglected is that Hillaryis very much establishment, and she will need to get out the vote. It is fine to have more registered voters, but if they're less enthused, they will stay home on Nov 8. Obama just killed the African American vote last two cycles, sorry Vanzack but you're SADLY mistaken if you think she even sniffs that level of excitement and drive from voters. Not only that, you completely disregard the VP selection. If Teump chooses the NM governor, a female Hispanic, Trump will reduce his losses with women and Latinos. Trump knows what you said about how hard it is to win as. Republican. You act as if he doesn't and only you the Obama voter has the gamblers insight. Get real. This is worse than your pathetic World Cup analyses that tanked. Pennsylvania is going red. Your -300 is toast, so is your haughty analysis. Flushed!!!
OK. What states is Trump going to take away from Clinton?
Not vague answers. Actual states.
She starts at 242 unless you tell me states that Trump is going take way.
It really doesnt matter if clintons supporters arent "energized". This is news network rhetoric. Tell me the states. Thats what matters.
i agree. -255 looks like a steal if you want to have your money tied up for 7 months. maybe it'll stay low for a while since republicans generally don't understand the simple math behind it all but i'd guess these odds change once polls start coming out.
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i agree. -255 looks like a steal if you want to have your money tied up for 7 months. maybe it'll stay low for a while since republicans generally don't understand the simple math behind it all but i'd guess these odds change once polls start coming out.
This is the list of states in play with vote counts:
Florida 29 Ohio 18
VA 13
NC 15
IA 6
Col 9
NV 6
NM 5
NH 4
Look pal - I see you are passionate about this. But take your emotions out of it. Stop being a little baby. This is math. Lets have a discussion about the math of the election without telling me how great or bad a candidate is.
Give it a shot. How does trump win?
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Let me give you a headstart:
Here is the list of states that have been dem for the last 4 elections:
This is the list of states in play with vote counts:
Florida 29 Ohio 18
VA 13
NC 15
IA 6
Col 9
NV 6
NM 5
NH 4
Look pal - I see you are passionate about this. But take your emotions out of it. Stop being a little baby. This is math. Lets have a discussion about the math of the election without telling me how great or bad a candidate is.
i agree. -255 looks like a steal if you want to have your money tied up for 7 months. maybe it'll stay low for a while since republicans generally don't understand the simple math behind it all but i'd guess these odds change once polls start coming out.
Agree.
Like anything - of course there is a chance that Trump wins. But does he have a 28% chance of winning? I cant see it. I would put his chances at closer to 10%.
It is always funny and interesting to see people who cannot separate their "fandom" from their brain. You see it in sports - and you see it here.
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
i agree. -255 looks like a steal if you want to have your money tied up for 7 months. maybe it'll stay low for a while since republicans generally don't understand the simple math behind it all but i'd guess these odds change once polls start coming out.
Agree.
Like anything - of course there is a chance that Trump wins. But does he have a 28% chance of winning? I cant see it. I would put his chances at closer to 10%.
It is always funny and interesting to see people who cannot separate their "fandom" from their brain. You see it in sports - and you see it here.
This is the list of states in play with vote counts:
Florida 29 Ohio 18
VA 13
NC 15
IA 6
Col 9
NV 6
NM 5
NH 4
Look pal - I see you are passionate about this. But take your emotions out of it. Stop being a little baby. This is math. Lets have a discussion about the math of the election without telling me how great or bad a candidate is.
Give it a shot. How does trump win?
making america great again transcends math, logic and reason.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Let me give you a headstart:
Here is the list of states that have been dem for the last 4 elections:
This is the list of states in play with vote counts:
Florida 29 Ohio 18
VA 13
NC 15
IA 6
Col 9
NV 6
NM 5
NH 4
Look pal - I see you are passionate about this. But take your emotions out of it. Stop being a little baby. This is math. Lets have a discussion about the math of the election without telling me how great or bad a candidate is.
Give it a shot. How does trump win?
making america great again transcends math, logic and reason.
Let me give you a headstart:Here is the list of states that have been dem for the last 4 elections:DC, Oregon, Illinois, Washington, Minnesota, California, Wisconsin, Michigan, Maryland, NY, NJ, Delaware, CT, RI, Mass, Maine, Vermont, and PA.That is 242 right there. 270 wins it.Which of those states go to Trump?This is the list of states in play with vote counts:Florida 29Ohio 18VA 13NC 15IA 6Col 9NV 6NM 5NH 4Look pal - I see you are passionate about this. But take your emotions out of it. Stop being a little baby. This is math. Lets have a discussion about the math of the election without telling me how great or bad a candidate is.Give it a shot. How does trump win?
Why have an en election then? Choose which democrat? I am only passionate about MSM bullshiet. Clinton was ahead DD in Indiana before the primary. How that turn out? Clinton needs a TURNOUT. She got NO support from MOVE ON! (Who is backing Sanders). Without grassroots her turnout will sag. She is MAINSTREAM ESTABLISHMENT and voters want an outsider. The woman card will FAIL. Without Grassroots, she will need Wall Street and Hollywood to carry her. 65,000 total NEGATIVE ADS for a cost of $75 MILLION and the result was a RECORD GOP voter total for Mr Trump. Her ads will not work. Your simplistic arithmetic lesson is misleading and disregards important phenomena.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Let me give you a headstart:Here is the list of states that have been dem for the last 4 elections:DC, Oregon, Illinois, Washington, Minnesota, California, Wisconsin, Michigan, Maryland, NY, NJ, Delaware, CT, RI, Mass, Maine, Vermont, and PA.That is 242 right there. 270 wins it.Which of those states go to Trump?This is the list of states in play with vote counts:Florida 29Ohio 18VA 13NC 15IA 6Col 9NV 6NM 5NH 4Look pal - I see you are passionate about this. But take your emotions out of it. Stop being a little baby. This is math. Lets have a discussion about the math of the election without telling me how great or bad a candidate is.Give it a shot. How does trump win?
Why have an en election then? Choose which democrat? I am only passionate about MSM bullshiet. Clinton was ahead DD in Indiana before the primary. How that turn out? Clinton needs a TURNOUT. She got NO support from MOVE ON! (Who is backing Sanders). Without grassroots her turnout will sag. She is MAINSTREAM ESTABLISHMENT and voters want an outsider. The woman card will FAIL. Without Grassroots, she will need Wall Street and Hollywood to carry her. 65,000 total NEGATIVE ADS for a cost of $75 MILLION and the result was a RECORD GOP voter total for Mr Trump. Her ads will not work. Your simplistic arithmetic lesson is misleading and disregards important phenomena.
Michigan (Killary lost to Sanders and the TRADE issue is big there as well as Ohio) will go Trump; New York I do not know--Killary had a good run there as Senator, and quite outnumbered, but New Yorkers appear to be breaking towards Trump who won it convincingly; New Jersey goes Trump; Florida goes Trump. Killary gets nothing in the interior states. The SEC will go RED. There will not be droves of black voters waiting online to vote Killary as they did for Obama. No way she gets a Georgia or North Carolina as did Obama.
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Michigan (Killary lost to Sanders and the TRADE issue is big there as well as Ohio) will go Trump; New York I do not know--Killary had a good run there as Senator, and quite outnumbered, but New Yorkers appear to be breaking towards Trump who won it convincingly; New Jersey goes Trump; Florida goes Trump. Killary gets nothing in the interior states. The SEC will go RED. There will not be droves of black voters waiting online to vote Killary as they did for Obama. No way she gets a Georgia or North Carolina as did Obama.
Michigan (Killary lost to Sanders and the TRADE issue is big there as well as Ohio) will go Trump; New York I do not know--Killary had a good run there as Senator, and quite outnumbered, but New Yorkers appear to be breaking towards Trump who won it convincingly; New Jersey goes Trump; Florida goes Trump. .
Trump won CA handily too. Think he has a shot there in the general?
Let's put it this way. Trump has no possible shot at NY so the math lies elsewhere. Don't believe? Real clear politics poll averages has Clinton +21. Faux News (you must know this as a regular watcher) has Clinton at +16.
So this race starts and ends with the Rs trying to win Florida. They lose FL, its over. Now FL has the largest increase in Hispanic voters in the country. Want to guess who hates Trump?
And how are you going to trump (see what I did there) Clinton's negatives? In other words, the Rs have attacked her for 24 years. What is your undecided voter going to learn about her in this general? Trump hasn't been exposed to the attacks that Clinton has.
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Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:
Michigan (Killary lost to Sanders and the TRADE issue is big there as well as Ohio) will go Trump; New York I do not know--Killary had a good run there as Senator, and quite outnumbered, but New Yorkers appear to be breaking towards Trump who won it convincingly; New Jersey goes Trump; Florida goes Trump. .
Trump won CA handily too. Think he has a shot there in the general?
Let's put it this way. Trump has no possible shot at NY so the math lies elsewhere. Don't believe? Real clear politics poll averages has Clinton +21. Faux News (you must know this as a regular watcher) has Clinton at +16.
So this race starts and ends with the Rs trying to win Florida. They lose FL, its over. Now FL has the largest increase in Hispanic voters in the country. Want to guess who hates Trump?
And how are you going to trump (see what I did there) Clinton's negatives? In other words, the Rs have attacked her for 24 years. What is your undecided voter going to learn about her in this general? Trump hasn't been exposed to the attacks that Clinton has.
Michigan (Killary lost to Sanders and the TRADE issue is big there as well as Ohio) will go Trump; New York I do not know--Killary had a good run there as Senator, and quite outnumbered, but New Yorkers appear to be breaking towards Trump who won it convincingly; New Jersey goes Trump; Florida goes Trump. Killary gets nothing in the interior states. The SEC will go RED. There will not be droves of black voters waiting online to vote Killary as they did for Obama. No way she gets a Georgia or North Carolina as did Obama.
I dont have a crystal ball. I can't tell you what will happen 6 months from now - other than to speculate...
But to say that Trump will win NY, Michigan, and Ohio - well - that is about a 200-1 parlay at this time.
Michigan is currently about 48-37 Clinton. NY is currently polling at 55-34 Clinton. Ohio is much closer at 46-43 Clinton. New Jersey is about 49-36 Clinton.
Im not sure if you are just a rah rah homer - or unaware of the current numbers.
Once again - I am not saying that Trump has no chance to be president - but I am saying that at +250 ish he is a very bad bet. You would get much more than +250 on him winning just one of the states you listed.
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Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:
Michigan (Killary lost to Sanders and the TRADE issue is big there as well as Ohio) will go Trump; New York I do not know--Killary had a good run there as Senator, and quite outnumbered, but New Yorkers appear to be breaking towards Trump who won it convincingly; New Jersey goes Trump; Florida goes Trump. Killary gets nothing in the interior states. The SEC will go RED. There will not be droves of black voters waiting online to vote Killary as they did for Obama. No way she gets a Georgia or North Carolina as did Obama.
I dont have a crystal ball. I can't tell you what will happen 6 months from now - other than to speculate...
But to say that Trump will win NY, Michigan, and Ohio - well - that is about a 200-1 parlay at this time.
Michigan is currently about 48-37 Clinton. NY is currently polling at 55-34 Clinton. Ohio is much closer at 46-43 Clinton. New Jersey is about 49-36 Clinton.
Im not sure if you are just a rah rah homer - or unaware of the current numbers.
Once again - I am not saying that Trump has no chance to be president - but I am saying that at +250 ish he is a very bad bet. You would get much more than +250 on him winning just one of the states you listed.
Interesting article.... At least the author gives his opinion to how it CAN happen - but I think even the author would admit that the odds are longer than +250 that Trump would win all states (like the author states) where he thinks they are tossups. Thats like winning 5 or 6 coin tosses in a row (32-1). +250 sounds like a pretty bad price for all of that to happen.
And the article was written over 2 months ago. There is new data and polls since then.
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Interesting article.... At least the author gives his opinion to how it CAN happen - but I think even the author would admit that the odds are longer than +250 that Trump would win all states (like the author states) where he thinks they are tossups. Thats like winning 5 or 6 coin tosses in a row (32-1). +250 sounds like a pretty bad price for all of that to happen.
And the article was written over 2 months ago. There is new data and polls since then.
This is turned into a funny thread. I'm not sure if some people were baited into looking like fools with it being about math and numbers rather than manufactured fiction and rhetoric.
Or
They just couldn't help themselves
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This is turned into a funny thread. I'm not sure if some people were baited into looking like fools with it being about math and numbers rather than manufactured fiction and rhetoric.
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