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    Posted: May. 24, 2016 - 6:19 PM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    Quote Originally Posted by kjrpat1:

    She's not winning. White working men still run this country despite what many will tell you and NONE of them are voting for her. 
    It's funny to see how the emotional trump supporters fail to talk realistically and instead talk in such aboslutes

    So easy to spot a mediocre mind that lumps people into categories and generalizations because like a groove in a record, that's where the mediocrity creeps in and takes over.
    That, and white guilting and projecting racism are also examples of patterned "thinking"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    Quote Originally Posted by kjrpat1:

    She's not winning. White working men still run this country despite what many will tell you and NONE of them are voting for her. 
    It's funny to see how the emotional trump supporters fail to talk realistically and instead talk in such aboslutes

    So easy to spot a mediocre mind that lumps people into categories and generalizations because like a groove in a record, that's where the mediocrity creeps in and takes over.
    That, and white guilting and projecting racism are also examples of patterned "thinking"
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2016 - 6:42 PM ET #127

    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

    ...lumps people into categories and generalizations because like a groove in a record, that's where the mediocrity creeps in and takes over.
    What does this mean?  '...like a groove in a record?'  I don't understand your comparison?  Is this a saying I have never heard before?  
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    ...lumps people into categories and generalizations because like a groove in a record, that's where the mediocrity creeps in and takes over.
    What does this mean?  '...like a groove in a record?'  I don't understand your comparison?  Is this a saying I have never heard before?  
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2016 - 8:10 PM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    Hopefully this pushes the price down for Hillary and allow me a decent buy-in point.  The combo of sanders popularity and the GOP being in complete shambles during this period of time should help


    Lucky you, Hillary will drop to -180 very soon.  At what point will you buy in on Hillary? 
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    Hopefully this pushes the price down for Hillary and allow me a decent buy-in point.  The combo of sanders popularity and the GOP being in complete shambles during this period of time should help


    Lucky you, Hillary will drop to -180 very soon.  At what point will you buy in on Hillary? 
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2016 - 11:09 PM ET #129

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    Hopefully this pushes the price down for Hillary and allow me a decent buy-in point.  The combo of sanders popularity and the GOP being in complete shambles during this period of time should help

    After Democratic Washington Caucus tonight, which i think Bernie will win. That price could drop a bit toward HRC -200 or even -190. But odds will start to come back steeper again as HRC is heavily favored to win California and New Mexico Primaries. She has 98% to beat Bernie in this Democratic presidential campaign. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    Hopefully this pushes the price down for Hillary and allow me a decent buy-in point.  The combo of sanders popularity and the GOP being in complete shambles during this period of time should help

    After Democratic Washington Caucus tonight, which i think Bernie will win. That price could drop a bit toward HRC -200 or even -190. But odds will start to come back steeper again as HRC is heavily favored to win California and New Mexico Primaries. She has 98% to beat Bernie in this Democratic presidential campaign. 

     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2016 - 11:14 PM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    After Democratic Washington Caucus tonight, which i think Bernie will win. That price could drop a bit toward HRC -200 or even -190. But odds will start to come back steeper again as HRC is heavily favored to win California and New Mexico Primaries. She has 98% to beat Bernie in this Democratic presidential campaign. 


    Woops, sorry my bad. Bernie has already won the Washington Caucus. There is only GOP Washington Primary tonight.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    After Democratic Washington Caucus tonight, which i think Bernie will win. That price could drop a bit toward HRC -200 or even -190. But odds will start to come back steeper again as HRC is heavily favored to win California and New Mexico Primaries. She has 98% to beat Bernie in this Democratic presidential campaign. 


    Woops, sorry my bad. Bernie has already won the Washington Caucus. There is only GOP Washington Primary tonight.  
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2016 - 12:31 AM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

    Lucky you, Hillary will drop to -180 very soon.  At what point will you buy in on Hillary? 

    Last election when vanzack called Obama he said -200 or under in price.  I am thinking it has to be at least under -200.  Might bite at sub -200 and then add  more if it keeps dropping. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

    Lucky you, Hillary will drop to -180 very soon.  At what point will you buy in on Hillary? 

    Last election when vanzack called Obama he said -200 or under in price.  I am thinking it has to be at least under -200.  Might bite at sub -200 and then add  more if it keeps dropping. 
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2016 - 12:34 AM ET #132

    -180 soon? Define soon and where we are going to see those odds?
    I don't call more than a month soon.  Is that what you're thinking? -180 in less than a month?

    Or are you just pulling numbers out thin air and manufacturing fiction? 


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    -180 soon? Define soon and where we are going to see those odds?
    I don't call more than a month soon.  Is that what you're thinking? -180 in less than a month?

    Or are you just pulling numbers out thin air and manufacturing fiction? 


     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2016 - 7:59 AM ET #133

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

    ...lumps people into categories and generalizations because like a groove in a record, that's where the mediocrity creeps in and takes over.
    What does this mean?  '...like a groove in a record?'  I don't understand your comparison?  Is this a saying I have never heard before?

    A record has a groove cut into the vinyl and the needle stays within the groove to make sounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

    ...lumps people into categories and generalizations because like a groove in a record, that's where the mediocrity creeps in and takes over.
    What does this mean?  '...like a groove in a record?'  I don't understand your comparison?  Is this a saying I have never heard before?

    A record has a groove cut into the vinyl and the needle stays within the groove to make sounds.
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2016 - 11:38 AM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

    What does this mean?  '...like a groove in a record?'  I don't understand your comparison?  Is this a saying I have never heard before?
    A record has a groove cut into the vinyl and the needle stays within the groove to make sounds.
    Not once in my life have I heard this comparison. A groove in a record starts at A and runs to B. It doesn't stay in one place. It is not like it goes around in a circle. It moves across the record. 
    I dunno. Just never heard of this comparison. Yes, it stays in the groove to make sounds---because that is the right way to make it work. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

    What does this mean?  '...like a groove in a record?'  I don't understand your comparison?  Is this a saying I have never heard before?
    A record has a groove cut into the vinyl and the needle stays within the groove to make sounds.
    Not once in my life have I heard this comparison. A groove in a record starts at A and runs to B. It doesn't stay in one place. It is not like it goes around in a circle. It moves across the record. 
    I dunno. Just never heard of this comparison. Yes, it stays in the groove to make sounds---because that is the right way to make it work. 
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2016 - 6:51 PM ET #135

    Im still on the sidelines.  Waiting for Rep convention.  Then I will be betting Clinton.

    GL all.

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    Im still on the sidelines.  Waiting for Rep convention.  Then I will be betting Clinton.

    GL all.

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2016 - 7:16 PM ET #136

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    Last election when vanzack called Obama he said -200 or under in price.  I am thinking it has to be at least under -200.  Might bite at sub -200 and then add  more if it keeps dropping. 

    You stated your price... you have it now.  You can wager HRC at -175
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    Last election when vanzack called Obama he said -200 or under in price.  I am thinking it has to be at least under -200.  Might bite at sub -200 and then add  more if it keeps dropping. 

    You stated your price... you have it now.  You can wager HRC at -175
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2016 - 10:23 PM ET #137

    I see one place has it at Clinton minus 180.....  Might go down more I assume especially after the GOP Convention? 
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    I see one place has it at Clinton minus 180.....  Might go down more I assume especially after the GOP Convention? 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    Last election when vanzack called Obama he said -200 or under in price.  I am thinking it has to be at least under -200.  Might bite at sub -200 and then add  more if it keeps dropping. 
    You stated your price... you have it now.  You can wager HRC at -175

    He only mentions "the possibility" of wagering to give us the fake idea he's on this forum for analyzing data for a wager, to throw us off his real intention of trolling other users into a fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    Last election when vanzack called Obama he said -200 or under in price.  I am thinking it has to be at least under -200.  Might bite at sub -200 and then add  more if it keeps dropping. 
    You stated your price... you have it now.  You can wager HRC at -175

    He only mentions "the possibility" of wagering to give us the fake idea he's on this forum for analyzing data for a wager, to throw us off his real intention of trolling other users into a fight.
     
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    Huh? 

    Wow it's getting weird.   Did I post something that offended you to make your have a meltdown and become this whining sniveling baby?
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    Huh? 

    Wow it's getting weird.   Did I post something that offended you to make your have a meltdown and become this whining sniveling baby?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:


    You stated your price... you have it now.  You can wager HRC at -175

    Awesome, thanks.  Unfortunately my book has Clinton. -220 but it has dropped from earlier in the month. What book is offering -175?

    I would definately jump at -175 if I had it.  Maybe look at taking a position at that and then another at sub -150 if it got there. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:


    You stated your price... you have it now.  You can wager HRC at -175

    Awesome, thanks.  Unfortunately my book has Clinton. -220 but it has dropped from earlier in the month. What book is offering -175?

    I would definately jump at -175 if I had it.  Maybe look at taking a position at that and then another at sub -150 if it got there. 

     
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    Van,

    Did you see Survivor 1 with Richard Hatch?

    This article analogizes Trump's run with the culmination of the show through Hatch's duplicitous win as well as with those who watch pro wrestling as spectacle.


    Interesting stuff that has me more worried than before:


    https://twitter.com/salon/status/736074480850632704

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    Van,

    Did you see Survivor 1 with Richard Hatch?

    This article analogizes Trump's run with the culmination of the show through Hatch's duplicitous win as well as with those who watch pro wrestling as spectacle.


    Interesting stuff that has me more worried than before:


    https://twitter.com/salon/status/736074480850632704

     
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    From the outset, Hatch understood that he was playing a game, a game that existed because it was a show, and that the show’s survival depended on how much money it made for the network. The viewers who mattered weren’t on the island but sitting comfortably at home, eating snacks and watching commercials. Well educated, comparatively wealthy, and armed with a background in corporate, he was the first to come up with the idea of forming an alliance, then persuaded his fellow oldsters to form a solid voting block that easily knocked off the youngsters. Once they were all gone, the tribes reformed, and Hatch starting picking off his tribemates, one by one.

    Based on the model of majority voting, the final round came down to Richard Hatch and Kelly Wiglesworth. It was up to a woman to decide the winner. Would Sue Hawk support the man whom everyone despised, or would she vote for the woman who was almost—but not quite–as hated by the other players on the island? Here was Sue Hawk’s famous justification for her choice:

    This island is full of, pretty much, only two things: snakes and rats. And in the end of Mother Nature, we have Richard the snake, who knowingly went after prey; and Kelly, who turned into the rat that ran around like rats do on this island, trying to run from the snake. I believe we owe it to the island spirits we have come to know to let it end in the way that Mother Nature intended: For the snake to eat the rat.

    Her logic, then, was that the worst person deserved to win because he was more authentic to his true self, even if that self was an fool.

    Hawk genuinely loathed Hatch, yet the then-president of CBS, Les Moonves, speculated that his willingness to be the bad guy was exactly why he won. “The bad guys are often the most compelling characters,” Moonves said. “And people at home may have seen that and recognized what happens in their own lives, in corporate society or whatever. They have been thinking: ‘That’s why I haven’t succeeded. The bad guys are to blame.’” For that same reason, one might expect cathartic comeuppance with Hawk serving her revenge cold at the end. But no. By being an unrepentant jerk, Hatch turned himself into an evil godfather bestowing the curse/gift of fame on the entire cast. Hawk couldn’t have known what a monster hit the show would become, but she acknowledged that he’d made the game in his image, and closed the loop by declaring him the winner.

    Hatch’s villainy not only made “Survivor” into must-see TV but set it up to become one of the most enduring—and profitable—series for the network. That summer, the show raked in money for CBS. If the network’s tacit approval of Hatch’s vulgar tactics sounds familiar, it’s because Moonves, who’d been promoted to executive chairman and CEO in the meantime, recently made similar remarks regarding Trump’s positive effect on his network’s coffers. “It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS,” he said of the 2016 presidential race. “Man, who would have expected the ride we’re all having right now? … The money’s rolling in and this is fun. I’ve never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going.”


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    From the outset, Hatch understood that he was playing a game, a game that existed because it was a show, and that the show’s survival depended on how much money it made for the network. The viewers who mattered weren’t on the island but sitting comfortably at home, eating snacks and watching commercials. Well educated, comparatively wealthy, and armed with a background in corporate, he was the first to come up with the idea of forming an alliance, then persuaded his fellow oldsters to form a solid voting block that easily knocked off the youngsters. Once they were all gone, the tribes reformed, and Hatch starting picking off his tribemates, one by one.

    Based on the model of majority voting, the final round came down to Richard Hatch and Kelly Wiglesworth. It was up to a woman to decide the winner. Would Sue Hawk support the man whom everyone despised, or would she vote for the woman who was almost—but not quite–as hated by the other players on the island? Here was Sue Hawk’s famous justification for her choice:

    This island is full of, pretty much, only two things: snakes and rats. And in the end of Mother Nature, we have Richard the snake, who knowingly went after prey; and Kelly, who turned into the rat that ran around like rats do on this island, trying to run from the snake. I believe we owe it to the island spirits we have come to know to let it end in the way that Mother Nature intended: For the snake to eat the rat.

    Her logic, then, was that the worst person deserved to win because he was more authentic to his true self, even if that self was an fool.

    Hawk genuinely loathed Hatch, yet the then-president of CBS, Les Moonves, speculated that his willingness to be the bad guy was exactly why he won. “The bad guys are often the most compelling characters,” Moonves said. “And people at home may have seen that and recognized what happens in their own lives, in corporate society or whatever. They have been thinking: ‘That’s why I haven’t succeeded. The bad guys are to blame.’” For that same reason, one might expect cathartic comeuppance with Hawk serving her revenge cold at the end. But no. By being an unrepentant jerk, Hatch turned himself into an evil godfather bestowing the curse/gift of fame on the entire cast. Hawk couldn’t have known what a monster hit the show would become, but she acknowledged that he’d made the game in his image, and closed the loop by declaring him the winner.

    Hatch’s villainy not only made “Survivor” into must-see TV but set it up to become one of the most enduring—and profitable—series for the network. That summer, the show raked in money for CBS. If the network’s tacit approval of Hatch’s vulgar tactics sounds familiar, it’s because Moonves, who’d been promoted to executive chairman and CEO in the meantime, recently made similar remarks regarding Trump’s positive effect on his network’s coffers. “It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS,” he said of the 2016 presidential race. “Man, who would have expected the ride we’re all having right now? … The money’s rolling in and this is fun. I’ve never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going.”


     
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    By going naked on network TV, Hatch exposed America’s cultural underwear. It may seem as if backstabbing and brinksmanship and humiliating yourself for peanut butter are necessary concessions to the terms imposed by the game. As “The Hunger Games” later underscored, the artificial parameters of “Survivor” presented competitors with one unswerving goal: to survive the machinations of the other players. (Non-American versions of “Survivor” might have two winners, and often did.) Surviving “nature” was incidental, because there was no profit in killing the castaways. Just get them off the island and out of the game, maybe crush a few dreams for good measure along the way.

    But watch the first season of the French edition of “Survivor,” re-titled “Koh-Lanta.” The essential features of the game were the same: a bunch of high-conflict strangers on a deserted island voted off players, using immunity challenges put into place by the producers to prevent pure (boring) competency from taking over. But the French players reacted totally differently to the set-up. They were thoughtful, cooperative, and pretty good at sharing. They agonized each time they had to eliminate one of the group, quoting Great Philosophers to soothe their wounded souls. The man who won did so because the others couldn’t bear to let him go. So helpful. So kind. So caring. In short, he was beloved. Their mutual respect for each other was genuinely startling. France is a socialist country, you know. They value cooperation. (Cue the German invasion jokes here).

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    By going naked on network TV, Hatch exposed America’s cultural underwear. It may seem as if backstabbing and brinksmanship and humiliating yourself for peanut butter are necessary concessions to the terms imposed by the game. As “The Hunger Games” later underscored, the artificial parameters of “Survivor” presented competitors with one unswerving goal: to survive the machinations of the other players. (Non-American versions of “Survivor” might have two winners, and often did.) Surviving “nature” was incidental, because there was no profit in killing the castaways. Just get them off the island and out of the game, maybe crush a few dreams for good measure along the way.

    But watch the first season of the French edition of “Survivor,” re-titled “Koh-Lanta.” The essential features of the game were the same: a bunch of high-conflict strangers on a deserted island voted off players, using immunity challenges put into place by the producers to prevent pure (boring) competency from taking over. But the French players reacted totally differently to the set-up. They were thoughtful, cooperative, and pretty good at sharing. They agonized each time they had to eliminate one of the group, quoting Great Philosophers to soothe their wounded souls. The man who won did so because the others couldn’t bear to let him go. So helpful. So kind. So caring. In short, he was beloved. Their mutual respect for each other was genuinely startling. France is a socialist country, you know. They value cooperation. (Cue the German invasion jokes here).

     
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    “In the current campaign,” Legum explains, “Trump is behaving like a professional wrestler while Trump’s opponents are conducting the race like a boxing match. As the rest of the field measures up their next jab, Trump decks them over the head with a metal chair.”

    Quaintly, boxing matches can be fixed. But when outcomes are rigged, the reasons why are clear—someone placed a bet they couldn’t afford to lose–and Lord Queensbury’s 19th-century rules governing good sportsmanship still remain firm. Whereas it’s absurd to accuse a professional wrestling match of being faked, for they invert the classed structure of spectacle itself, letting the audience see its cheerfully crass desires mirrored in the simulated vulgarity of the action. Who would fault Sylvester Stallone for not being Rocky Balboa, even though it is his job to convince us that he is? Note that the inability to separate the character (“Rocky”) from the actor playing him (“Stallone”) is the very definition of delusion, helping to explain why Trumpers believe that liberals are insane. Why, it’s as if lefties don’t understand that Trump is playing the impresario inside a corrupt political system built on empty promises and falsehoods!

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    “In the current campaign,” Legum explains, “Trump is behaving like a professional wrestler while Trump’s opponents are conducting the race like a boxing match. As the rest of the field measures up their next jab, Trump decks them over the head with a metal chair.”

    Quaintly, boxing matches can be fixed. But when outcomes are rigged, the reasons why are clear—someone placed a bet they couldn’t afford to lose–and Lord Queensbury’s 19th-century rules governing good sportsmanship still remain firm. Whereas it’s absurd to accuse a professional wrestling match of being faked, for they invert the classed structure of spectacle itself, letting the audience see its cheerfully crass desires mirrored in the simulated vulgarity of the action. Who would fault Sylvester Stallone for not being Rocky Balboa, even though it is his job to convince us that he is? Note that the inability to separate the character (“Rocky”) from the actor playing him (“Stallone”) is the very definition of delusion, helping to explain why Trumpers believe that liberals are insane. Why, it’s as if lefties don’t understand that Trump is playing the impresario inside a corrupt political system built on empty promises and falsehoods!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcmanus:

    I see one place has it at Clinton minus 180.....  Might go down more I assume especially after the GOP Convention? 

    My book has Clinton dropped to -180 just about two days ago, but it popped back up to -200 as of now. And that price could go a bit steeper after Democratic California/New Mexico/New Jersey Primaries, since HRC should win those States and clinch Democratic nomination.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcmanus:

    I see one place has it at Clinton minus 180.....  Might go down more I assume especially after the GOP Convention? 

    My book has Clinton dropped to -180 just about two days ago, but it popped back up to -200 as of now. And that price could go a bit steeper after Democratic California/New Mexico/New Jersey Primaries, since HRC should win those States and clinch Democratic nomination.  
     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2016 - 11:31 AM ET #146

    trumps behavior is borderline psycho.

    he attacked the gov of new mexico.
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    trumps behavior is borderline psycho.

    he attacked the gov of new mexico.
     
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    -200 now
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    Posted: May. 31, 2016 - 1:10 AM ET #148

    seeing -165 at sportsbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:

    I'm going to post something I believe is interesting here because it's pertinent to the race (Libertarian/Sanders' independent run).  My hunch is Bernie will concede to Hillary if he loses when they cast the votes at the convention and hammer out terms.  So I don't really believe he will end up being a divider like the "experts" think he'll be.  The Libertarians, however, appear to be poised to really make an idiotic protest campaign that'll interfere a bit with the general election. 

    I was out at work a couple of weeks ago and talked to a couple who used to be members of the Democratic Party but they're retired now.  They don't want to vote for Hillary and have considered abstaining or voting for Gary Johnson.  I mentioned that swing states are important and people need to vote one way or the other, rather than allowing for principles to prevent them for voting.  The stakes are too big.

    Well, they had a guy over who is still an active Democrat in politics.  He suddenly interjected and mentioned the race in New Hampshire back in 2000.  I can't quote verbatim but he said in 2000 over 20,000 votes were cast for Nader in New Hampshire.  Had fewer than half of those votes cast for Nader ended up being cast for Gore, he'd have won New Hampshire and would have gotten enough electoral votes to win the presidency. 

    In fact, the wife admitted she voted for Nader in 2000 and he pointed out that Florida wouldn't have been relevant.  When people think they're making a difference by voicing their opinion in that manner, all they really end up doing is affecting the outcome of the election.  Bush Jr. was a moron and never should have been president.  I believe he loved America but being president requires the temperament and the intellect necessary to understand the impact of long-term decisions. 

    I hope the people dumb enough to vote Libertarian in the general election consider what I've said before they go out and vote this time around.


    Your for strategic voting... I dont understand the rest... 

    The question is.. who does gary pull from?  anyone know yet?

    He will need to get to 15% and make the debates but thats not a fantasy this year.   
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    I'm going to post something I believe is interesting here because it's pertinent to the race (Libertarian/Sanders' independent run).  My hunch is Bernie will concede to Hillary if he loses when they cast the votes at the convention and hammer out terms.  So I don't really believe he will end up being a divider like the "experts" think he'll be.  The Libertarians, however, appear to be poised to really make an idiotic protest campaign that'll interfere a bit with the general election. 

    I was out at work a couple of weeks ago and talked to a couple who used to be members of the Democratic Party but they're retired now.  They don't want to vote for Hillary and have considered abstaining or voting for Gary Johnson.  I mentioned that swing states are important and people need to vote one way or the other, rather than allowing for principles to prevent them for voting.  The stakes are too big.

    Well, they had a guy over who is still an active Democrat in politics.  He suddenly interjected and mentioned the race in New Hampshire back in 2000.  I can't quote verbatim but he said in 2000 over 20,000 votes were cast for Nader in New Hampshire.  Had fewer than half of those votes cast for Nader ended up being cast for Gore, he'd have won New Hampshire and would have gotten enough electoral votes to win the presidency. 

    In fact, the wife admitted she voted for Nader in 2000 and he pointed out that Florida wouldn't have been relevant.  When people think they're making a difference by voicing their opinion in that manner, all they really end up doing is affecting the outcome of the election.  Bush Jr. was a moron and never should have been president.  I believe he loved America but being president requires the temperament and the intellect necessary to understand the impact of long-term decisions. 

    I hope the people dumb enough to vote Libertarian in the general election consider what I've said before they go out and vote this time around.


    Your for strategic voting... I dont understand the rest... 

    The question is.. who does gary pull from?  anyone know yet?

    He will need to get to 15% and make the debates but thats not a fantasy this year.   
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:

    seeing -165 at sportsbook.


    Took half my position at -165. I agree with Van that lots can happen between now and then, but my gut says it's more likely something on Trump's side that happens to send this thing back to the -300 range. His news conference today was so unhinged that I wonder how he'll hold up emotionally under the onslaught that's heading his way. He takes things very personally and that isn't attractive in a presidential aspirant. He looked pretty crazy. Add that to the math and this is a very attractive bet. BTW this thread is not so different from the Obama-Romney thread of 4 years ago. Emotions got out of control on Covers and wishful thinking ruled the day (remember "unskewed" polling?). Once the Dems coalesce behind Clinton, she should show a significant advantage over Trump (8% I'm guessing). That will change the betting odds considerably. Maybe we see better numbers after the GOP convention but I don't know. Of course, Trump has a chance to win. That's why it's called gambling, but I think Van's 10-1 shot is about right.
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    seeing -165 at sportsbook.


    Took half my position at -165. I agree with Van that lots can happen between now and then, but my gut says it's more likely something on Trump's side that happens to send this thing back to the -300 range. His news conference today was so unhinged that I wonder how he'll hold up emotionally under the onslaught that's heading his way. He takes things very personally and that isn't attractive in a presidential aspirant. He looked pretty crazy. Add that to the math and this is a very attractive bet. BTW this thread is not so different from the Obama-Romney thread of 4 years ago. Emotions got out of control on Covers and wishful thinking ruled the day (remember "unskewed" polling?). Once the Dems coalesce behind Clinton, she should show a significant advantage over Trump (8% I'm guessing). That will change the betting odds considerably. Maybe we see better numbers after the GOP convention but I don't know. Of course, Trump has a chance to win. That's why it's called gambling, but I think Van's 10-1 shot is about right.
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