1. There was fighting all the way too the end, so I would say the number of vets who didn't pick up their guns is a relative few.

2. There are vets that go to war in the beginnings, and in the thick of the conflict, that never pick up there guns. I would still call them heroes.

3. None of this is here nor there as it pertains to McCain. He did see active conflict.

Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire. Does that somehow make him more of a heroe than McCain? Is there a record of Pat Tillman's actual operational involvement? Do we know if he ever actually fired his weapon at the enemy. I'm not trying to denigrade the guy because I believe he is a true heroe. What I am saying is that trying to discredit McCain's service simply because of his political standing is pathetic.

And not only that, in my research into Vietnam, not specifically into McCain, i've read of instances of POWs being forced to sign propagandistic statements. Even going as far as recording anti-American, anti-War rhetoric. Is this what McCain was forced to do? Is this what makes him a songbird? Is there any proof of him giving up military secrets? Of him putting his comrades in danger? Someone please show it if it exists.

I swear, the nerve, the audaciousness, of internet trolls.

"McCain's not a hero! He'a traitor! A songbird!" as your fat asses sit at a keyboard. There are a few in this forum who actually served and I respect their opinions but for most of us, we should shelve the hero debate.

Watched every episode twice, and a couple three times. Even made a thread about it on this site. I watched it when it aired then I got the DVD set last Christmas. All thanx to Trump because without him, we wouldn't have Christmas anymore.

Sen. McCain is irreplaceable, but his example will guide our next steps forward. He taught us to always assume the best in others, to seek compromise instead of sewing division, and to always put country ahead of party.

It’s up to us to carry on Sen. McCain’s legacy.

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It won’t be easy, and it won’t happen overnight, but we can work together to meet the challenges our country faces. We can do this differently. For our country, for our future, for Sen. McCain, and for each other, I think we must.--Senator-elect Kyrsten Sinema 

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/11/12/read-senator-elect-kyrsten-sinemas-victory-speech/1984613002/

Thank you, Sen. McCain!

I thought she would squeak through and she did. Kyrsten is a slick vet who has too many corporate ties, she is better than that lunatic McSally but she is not fresh or new and she is really just another piece of the political machine.

You are great at sumizing what happened by reading a blog because all of what you said is garbage. McSally did not lose because she didnt back Trump, that is ridiculous. She lost because her approach was based on attacking and defaming and people did not like her constant attacks and a real lack of addressing issues. She had one or two points she focused on exclusively and ignored most all else. She is combative, disrespectful and came off as unpleasant. 

Sinema on the other hand is the exact opposite, she is composed, restrained, she is polished and professional. She hit some BIG issues over the last few years and that really resonated with the voters. She latched on to the VA issue well before it became mainstream and made it her mission to help improve a real mess and there are MANY retirees and vets here, she seriously scored by doing that.

Who cares if she is bisexual, she has been openly bisexual for multiple campaigns and she hasnt been a green party candidate in a very long time.

Sometimes its better to say nothing that regurgitate blog crap and I saw an article almost identical to what you are describing. McSally lost because she came off very poorly and losing in Arizona as a Republican is very very telling, she was bad enough to lose in this Repub dominated state.

Ducey has been riding the housing boom wave and he is likely good until the economy turns south and he has to raid the school piggy bank again to keep giving corporate freebies, then he might get booted. 

McSally thought she could rely on general stupidity and ineptitude of the Arizona voting base, that all the morons vote straight party and she got really cocky and lazy. Sinema has been around a long long time and made some solid decisions years ago, well before Martha likely even considered this, Kyrsten was two steps ahead the whole way and handled herself with class and dignity...McSally tried to pull a slimeball Trump "abuse your opponent" approach and it didnt work. If you are indeed in the district you are (I am in district 2) then you saw the debate and the horrific approach she had, you saw the unending bashing political ads the repubs tried to run and you also saw the approach Sinema had..play to your strengths (her upbringing, the VA and how she crossed aisles many times) and it was actually nice to see a candidate win who didnt act like a total jerk like McSally/McTrump did.

I know very little about this race but I do know McSally lied that she has supported the ACA pre-existing condition. She also attempted to drum up fear among her constituency regarding Piggy's fake invasion .

I guess she's not going anywhere as she's targeted to replace Jon Kyl who is in a temporary role. But you guys probably already know that.

The Ducey comparison isnt good because he is the real incumbent and the environment is reasonable so unless he really messed up in some way, in THIS state he should walk in easily.

Trump did not dominate this state for many of the same reasons McSally didnt and why Arpaio got sent to the curb...even though there are many like you who will vote Repub almost no matter what, there are some who actually care about the candidate, not their personal biases...and that is nice to see.

McSally should not have even been this close in the vote, she is from Tuscon and has no history here, the fact that the race was even close goes to show how stupid most Arizona voters are...but enough saw her tactics and that awful debate to offset the straight ticket clueless voters here. 

So how could you vote for McSally when you saw her attack based campaign and that brutal debate? It was like watching a Trump clone, just absurd ranting and babbling. And yeah sorry you dont like my views on Trump but he is a slimeball...he has cheated on his wives, he is abusive to many, he cannot shut his mouth and just do his job with class and dignity, its all about him and his pathetic little ego...he is a slimeball and an embarrassment to this country and the office.

JFK??

The rest of your post kind of made me sleepy, the usual dem diversion when an issue is raised is quite boring. I am not taking about some past dem presidents like JFK who slept around, I am talking about the current slimeball in office...the abusive, cheating, bankrupt loser that is Donald Trump.