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Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Even Fox News anchors realize Trump lies about Obama's record.... Hilarious. From today.  https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-host-neil-cavuto-cuts-away-from-trump-speech-to-note-it-mischaracterized-obamas-record AWESOME! from your source:  cut into a White House speech by President Donald Trump on Thursday to once again correct some mischaracterizations the president made, specifically over former President Barack Obama’s economic record, which Cavuto noted was very solid.“I do want to clarify a couple of things he said, that 'no president in history has cut regulations as much as he has.' That is true,” he noted, adding: “I think [Trump] might have mischaracterized the regulations that were added under Barack Obama.”Cavuto added we “might recall we had this little thing called the financial meltdown” and that many of the regulations were put in place to prevent banks from selling risky mortgage securities, which helped cause the financial crisis.The veteran Fox anchor then dispelled the notion that the post-meltdown regulations damaged the economy under Obama.“The unemployment rate did, under Barack Obama, go down from a high of 10 percent to around 4.7 percent,” Cavuto stated. Additionally, the Fox host said, “it was not a disaster under Barack Obama,” pointing out that the Dow Jones tripled during the 44th president’s tenure and that companies did “very well.”“Americans did very, very well,” he concluded.

Ouch that has to hurt for all these Trumpers that stay glued to Fox News 24-7. That must have made them all cringe seeing a fox anchor give Obama credit. Cavuto might be the only honest one left over there on Fox. 

 
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A verifiable link to a verifiable source (of course) -- which is the proper way to do it: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/sep/18/ro-khanna/what-percentage-americans-own-stocks/   Key conclusion: " To be precise, a narrow majority of Americans does own stocks, according to credible recent studies. But Khanna has a point, that Americans of modest incomes  significantly less invested in the stock market than wealthier Americans are. Other large groups, including minorities and those without a college education, also lag in stock ownership, meaning that the stock rally is largely passing them by. "

But they ARE invested in the stock market, aren't they ????  And more importantly,  a great number of them rely on this money to provide for their retirement in the future via a 401k.     Are you a newbie to all of this  ?

 

 
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  Ouch that has to hurt for all these Trumpers that stay glued to Fox News 24-7. That must have made them all cringe seeing a fox anchor give Obama credit. Cavuto might be the only honest one left over there on Fox.

Ya, but of course they would never acknowledge it......no.......they'll invent some excuse to write it all off as "fake news".......which is also surprising given that FOX News = FAKE News as we have witnessed with them docotring photos *TWICE* very recently and publishing them before being called out.....

 
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a great number of them rely on this money to provide for their retirement in the future via a 401k.     Are you a newbie to all of this  ?

 

A stockmarket (DOW) that tripled under Obama......but thanks to adolf ALLOWING a deadly contagion to spread the DOW is DOWN 6.3% this year....so far.... More bad news coming for those 55% with stock portfolios

 
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:   Ouch that has to hurt for all these Trumpers that stay glued to Fox News 24-7. That must have made them all cringe seeing a fox anchor give Obama credit. Cavuto might be the only honest one left over there on Fox. Ya, but of course they would never acknowledge it......no.......they'll invent some excuse to write it all off as "fake news".......which is also surprising given that FOX News = FAKE News as we have witnessed with them docotring photos *TWICE* very recently and publishing them before being called out.....

Ya see, trump's favorite propaganda machine -- FUX News -- didn't want  der Fuerher to be

seen in photos being pals with  pedophile criminals Epstein and/or Maxwell, so they deliberately cropped

adolf out of those photos ......though they left poor Melania in to fend for herself, I guess.

 
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A stockmarket (DOW) that tripled under Obama. ..this is not true..

The DOW did not triple under Obama...this is another fallacy put out there by the left..  The Dow closed at about 7,949 on Inauguration Day in 2009, and finished at 19,732 on Obama’s last full day in office..over 4 thousand points from being triple.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Deezy......Am I to believe your "Pew Research Center" source or the "Wall Street Journal ??"  You are not building a very good case for your argument.     The facts are irrefutable..  but continue to plug your ears, cover your mouth, and cover your eyes (insert emoji here. Lol) You should believe the Wall Street Journal considering your were praising it 2 days ago and it is a conservative source.... Conservative Source ?  It presents "factual data" on the topic we are discussing ?   Unlike your favorite sites Vox.com, politico, and msnbc, which are light on facts and heavy on political politicking commentary.  No Thanks. Yes. Your lack of overall knowledge is baffling. I will not be responding to you further. You do not even realize that the Wall Street Journal is a conservative leaning publication? Must be new to politics and reading in general. Have you heard of the Murdoch Family? They happen to own the Wall Street Journal and your favorite new source Fox News??? Not conservative leaning. Geezus you are clueless. My articles are not from Vox, Politico, and MSNBC. Last ones I just posted are from NPR and Forbes with actually numerical facts and data, unlike anything you ever post. In fact you do not even post sources, simply jibberish and claims with no factual support. Have a good life and keep your head in the clouds.   Translation:  I don't have anything intelligent to respond with !  I am defeated ! Ooohhh. Got me. Why don't you post that same WSJ opinion piece from two years ago that was debunked 5 times that you posted 4 times already???? Tell me more.... Rush have you see this one? www.wsj.com/articles/low-income-workers-see-long-awaited-wage-gains-1538771475 It's an opinion piece on blue collar worker wages rising faster than high income earners, which didn't happen. Let me know what you think? You cannot refute the data, unless you believe they used incorrect numbers,  which is silly. BUT, ...... no worries,  I just found another source that substantiates the WSJ's reporting.   It's even from a user friendly USA Today source,  that you will comforting, like a little pillow for you. Lol.  www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/14/blue-collar-workers-wages-rising-inequality-shrinking-economy-column/1955329001 Let me pull a you. Why should I believe your source???  Fubah, Can you teach this guy for the 10th time what rising income and wealth inequality means? It is clear he has no concept of either term, despite us both showing him numerous articles that shows a modest rise in blue collar wages is not closing income or wealth inequality. Income and/or wealth inequality continue to rise to the highest point in 70 years, which does not show that the "wage gap" is shrinking. You clearly lack critical thinking skills. Your source and article are weak and prove nothing. A rise in blue collar wages for 2 months does nothing to close the income (wages), or wealth disparities in this country.

LOL... Frick and Frack are at it again.   Deniers of the Truth about wage inequality decreasing under Trump.   Everybody else sees the truth but you knuckleheads. an_beatup

 
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Posted: #358

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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by gambleholic63: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by gambleholic63: To further my point, I wonder how many $4,000 per month health insurance premium checks you had to write in the years immediately following the passage of the ACA? Many of my friends and their families were faced with the harsh reality that they either pony up the 4K a month or suffer the consequences of an illness bankrupting their future.  So...how many monthly 4k checks did you have to write?  To my eyes, it seems so much easier to support destructive economic policies when you are on the receiving end.  So....how many monthly checks?  I'm waiting. I have a family of 4 and never had to dole out 4k a month during Obama's time, so I have no idea what kind of coverage they required or their health backgrounds. Sounds like they must have had some serious health concerns. So, some of your friends had to pay high costs, so you hate the ACA?? Nice argument. Didn't impact you in any way? Love the friends argument. Talk about weak. Deezy. This is where your mind is disconnected from what was happening in the real world. Obviously, we all have different families and friends and we all live in different financial and economic circles. I can assure you, as I am sure Rush can chime in on, that people were getting hosed by the ACA. I'm surprised you are oblivious to the fact, but this is where you and I have a tremendous disconnect.  Rush...please chime in with some of the experiences you witnessed so Deezy can wake up and smell the coffee. I, like most people, had to pay more in healthcare at my employer..    That simple.  Like I said earlier,  I shouldn't have to subsidize someone else's healthcare,  but DEMS don't believe in personal responsibility.  I think it was Patrick Henry that said  "" Give me Liberty And Healthcare, or give me Death !!"" ... not to be outdone,  Thomas Jefferson stated that  we are all granted  certain unalienable rights,  from our creator....  "" Life , Liberty, the pursuit of Happiness,  and Healthcare !!!!    Right MIDNIGHT,  right Fubah, right deezy ?! Yeah Dems are such POS'. That is why they live in the highest earning cities, with the highest wages, and pay more in taxes. I'm sure those rural Republicans are so tired of carrying the economy on their backs for the rest of the country. Those Dems display no responsibility, so lazyyy. So truee.

No copy , cut or paste is needed from me. LOL..... If the shoe fits,...... .sleep2

 

 
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Posted: #359

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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: If you are asking Rush to chime in, you have already lost the discussion gamble.  Many of us in here have owned our own business & if you are now bitching about your medical cost, you should never have retired. Like others I have no problem paying a little more for my fellow Americans. Exactly, the guy claims to be so wealthy and rich, and yet is complaining about the costs of healthcare insurance, which proves that he is neither. The truly rich and wealthy do not complain about healthcare insurance costs or taxes. There are ""Uber wealthy"" people  that wish for the Government to tax them more... these are your Warren buffet,  Jeff Bezos,  Bill Gates type people.... most hard working entrepreneurs WOULD complain about rising healthcare insurance and taxes. I even found a link for you,  which you will find useful ; www.COMMONSENSE.com Rich and wealthy entrepreneurs do not complain and whine on message boards about paying more for their premiums. Your boy Gambleaholic was claiming how rich and successful he is, yet crying about paying more for healthcare costs. Something doesn't add up.

Who the Hell cares WHERE Gamble stated his case.  Doesn't matter if it was a message board or amongst friends.  Rich and wealthy entrepreneurs don't want  to pay more just because you say so.  Jeezus,  what a double standard dog pile you are. 

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: a great number of them rely on this money to provide for their retirement in the future via a 401k.     Are you a newbie to all of this  ?   A stockmarket (DOW) that tripled under Obama......but thanks to adolf ALLOWING a deadly contagion to spread the DOW is DOWN 6.3% this year....so far.... More bad news coming for those 55% with stock portfolios

Think long term...... yes, you're a newbie for sure,  aren't you .... 

 
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A typical lefty bragging about paying more taxes...that's why they love Biden .. he vowed to increase everyone's taxes..and that make them ecstatic...more Joe raise my taxes more ..

 
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Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: If you are asking Rush to chime in, you have already lost the discussion gamble.  Many of us in here have owned our own business & if you are now bitching about your medical cost, you should never have retired. Like others I have no problem paying a little more for my fellow Americans. Exactly, the guy claims to be so wealthy and rich, and yet is complaining about the costs of healthcare insurance, which proves that he is neither. The truly rich and wealthy do not complain about healthcare insurance costs or taxes. There are ""Uber wealthy"" people  that wish for the Government to tax them more... these are your Warren buffet,  Jeff Bezos,  Bill Gates type people.... most hard working entrepreneurs WOULD complain about rising healthcare insurance and taxes. I even found a link for you,  which you will find useful ; www.COMMONSENSE.com Rich and wealthy entrepreneurs do not complain and whine on message boards about paying more for their premiums. Your boy Gambleaholic was claiming how rich and successful he is, yet crying about paying more for healthcare costs. Something doesn't add up. Who the Hell cares WHERE Gamble stated his case.  Doesn't matter if it was a message board or amongst friends.  Rich and wealthy entrepreneurs don't want  to pay more just because you say so.  Jeezus,  what a double standard dog pile you are.

You speak for all rich and wealthy now??? Ok guy. 

 
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I'm wealthy and I agree with him..

 
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There's plenty more just like Slim... but go on w your silly notion that hard working AND "most" wealthy people want to be taxed more.   Don't  make me post my credible link .  It will put you to shame !!! an_clap

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

A stockmarket (DOW) that tripled under Obama. ..this is not true.. The DOW did not triple under Obama...this is another fallacy put out there by the left..  The Dow closed at about 7,949 on Inauguration Day in 2009, and finished at 19,732 on Obama’s last full day in office..over 4 thousand points from being triple.

I stand corrected.....I incorrectly said DOW when I should have said S&P 500

 
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  Rich and wealthy entrepreneurs don't want  to pay more just because you say so.  Jeezus,  what a double standard dog pile you are.

So that means trump is awesome ???

 
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.   Deniers of the Truth about wage inequality decreasing under Trump.   Everybody else sees the truth but you knuckleheads.

 

Wow...talk about a delusional adolf supporter lie

 
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I stand corrected.....I incorrectly said DOW when I should have said S&P 500

 

I know ..you need to check your figures better..

 
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: a great number of them rely on this money to provide for their retirement in the future via a 401k.     Are you a newbie to all of this  ?   A stockmarket (DOW) that tripled under Obama......but thanks to adolf ALLOWING a deadly contagion to spread the DOW is DOWN 6.3% this year....so far.... More bad news coming for those 55% with stock portfolios

 

Think long term...... yes, you're a newbie for sure,  aren't you ....

 

think LOGICALLY....now go back to playing with your cardboard box, kid

 
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: a great number of them rely on this money to provide for their retirement in the future via a 401k.     Are you a newbie to all of this  ?   A stockmarket (DOW) that tripled under Obama......but thanks to adolf ALLOWING a deadly contagion to spread the DOW is DOWN 6.3% this year....so far.... More bad news coming for those 55% with stock portfolios

 Do you remember how this discussion even started ?  I'll wait for you to grab your crayons so you can connect the dots.... an_popcorn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trump business tax cuts !!!! Lol.  

So, now that we've established that the business tax cuts are productive for nearly 50 % of stock owning Americans ( your figure on stock ownership, remember  ??) , we are left squabbling that the market is down around 5% from peak !!!  You can't make this stuff up !!!!!

Ooops,  i think you need to change your pants !! an_beatup

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

I'm wealthy and I agree with him..

 

You're wealthy?   aaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha an_roll_laugh

 
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:   Rich and wealthy entrepreneurs don't want  to pay more just because you say so.  Jeezus,  what a double standard dog pile you are. So that means trump is awesome ???

Your best post yet Fubar   !!!  Bravo !!

 
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Rush51, you need to take it easy on him ..he's flying sole ..Frick has left the field of play for he time being and the little guy has had a long day..and it's really time for him to go to bed now

 
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Mush thinks Gates and Bezos are the only Americans with wealth and riches in this country. an_praise I can tell by his whining about healthcare costs and taxes he does not run in circles with anyone with real money and wealth. It's fine though, he owns some stocks. an_roll_laugh

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

   Do you remember how this discussion even started ? 

Its obvious you don't.  Have your Mom re-read the thread title to you.....or just go back to playing with your cardboard box

Good night, troll ...ta-ta

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