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Make nice tourney youre having. figured id stop in and wish you a happy holiday season and GL remainder of year. you hear Theos interview too ehh? being a Serie A guy as well, dont you wonder what exactly gave him the confidence of saying that.? (laughing) . Id stop short of saying Szymon is 'world class', when you consider the other other options FIFA had to choose from for the final it is a bit suprising. (not to mention the 3rd place match as well). in any case, just hoping a good match and for sake of each teams supporters, pray dont go to PK. |
MakePwithMe | 58 |
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yoro hope all is well. youre having a very nice tourney. soon FIFA will put an end to this and things will return to 'normal'. just going to update everything, put up last few plays remaining, and let this slide. decent tourney thus far. Semi-finals: OVERALL: Group props: -12.64 Indiv plays: Overall Total: +77.04 Pending futures:
3rd place: Croatia/Morocco O2.5 @1.96 (-104) - along with the tired legs and what not, 3rd place matches tend to lean to faster pace as pressure is off plus those subs getting put in want their names on the stat sheet to tell their grandkids about. Broz doesnt look like he will be put in Dalics lineup and his replacement should provide a quicker pace in the middle for the Croats. Morocco with even bigger problem with practically their entire backline on the treatment table and might be ruled out this saturday. wouldnt suprise me if Walid goes back to his more preferred 4-3-3 formation. doubt this ends up another scoreless clunker and heres to hoping both can convert their chances. the final is one to be enjoyed. Happy Holiday season to everyone and GL remainder of year.
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specimen24 | 78 |
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Boll got your msg. agreed, far too many simply look at the color of the jerseys and not even know the clubs those players pick up their paychecks from. more often than not these semis get decided by mistakes rather than brilliance. and i seriously doubt Daniele & Cesar will allow these matches to be decided from the spot, theyll let them play it out. we'll see how things unfold. |
mr_bollox | 11 |
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yoro very well done regarding your thread title. our "rule of thumb" when it gets ticky-tacky trying to figure whom is better is something like this. its not an exact science but how my melon works - strikers get all the attention, can win you matches and get you there behind every great striker, there was a midfielder feeding him. in front of every great backline there was a midfield whom understood positioning & cut off passing lanes. sadly, there are very few individuals around nowadays whom can do both at a high level. well if youre having problems separating teams? look at midfields first. |
yorosan | 50 |
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In case you ever wondered why the last round of group games KO at the same time ...
in Soccer I-got, wanted to come back here and dig this up, hope you dont mind. theres something you said at the end there which got me thinking. firstly, Ram, thank you yes indeed you were correct. "That and the three points for a win as opposed to two which came into place after Italia 90" can we "add" another one? friends and i were talking about this last week. not sure how far your memory goes, but another subtle rule was put in place and was used for the first time which changed the way the game is played even to this day right here. the Backpass Rule. GK's were no longer allowed waste time and wait to pick up the ball with their hands after defenders kicked back to them. when that rule was first put into place it was a comedy of errors GKs back then didnt really use their feet too much (its futbol, go figure ehh??) there was nothing which annoyed a striker more than having to run halfway down the pitch just to get the GK to stop wasting time & pick up the ball and then run all the way back to get into onside position. many brawls were started because of that. |
I-Got-5-On-It | 7 |
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Morocco/France - joined everyone and jumped on Moroccans +1/2 @+165 a short while ago, thats not to mean i dont have my own concerns.that Moroccan defense is an absolute joy to watch. stirring up memories of our title run back in '06. literally a blueprint of that squad. cohesive. disciplined (they only have 4 yellows). and our beloved horseshoe. their shifting and structure. trees in the middle to clear those crosses into the box; speed on the side whom dont get beaten wide, and a midfield whom know HOW to shut down passing lanes. they have now shut down 3 teams with vastly different offensive approaches. Croats midfield, Spains ground attack, and Portugals crosses via air. and that is one hll of an efficient counter attack they have. even the ones which dont produce anything keep their opponents backlines close to the midfield. GL to all |
specimen24 | 78 |
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Argentina/Croatia - Croats with the best midfield in this WC, again. they were able to eliminate Sambas biggest advantage simply by their ability to retain possession and move the ball around. but im not entirely sure if that will be enough. but again, this is an experienced side, all whom have big-game experience, and I put a lot of weight into that. they have a huge coaching advantage in this one. Dalic is a mastermind, especially on short notice; and hes not afraid to do the unconventional. it wouldnt suprise me the least if Lionel gets marked/shadowed the full 90, cause Zlatko has done it before. and he knows you cant let Lionel turn and square his shoulders upfield, so theyre going to send bodies at him all night long and let someone else beat them. Croatia/Argentina O4.5 cards @-120 - should lay off on this and let future ride, but books making a mistake opening this low. since he wasnt called the past few days for any of the Qtrs.... Im almost positive of the two semis going off next week, Daniele will/should get the call for this one. especially after that blowup in the Netherlands match. this is going to be one of those old-school style where everything gets challenged and with the slate on yellows wiped will only help this more. |
specimen24 | 78 |
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Nac will toss up thoughts below. pardon for not being organized. England/France goal in 1st half hour @-120: Yes (W) Lions to advance @+110 (L) did have the moroccans on the hc last minute.
very decent tourney so far. Pending futures: heres some of discussions: Semi-finals: I guess no need to wait now that we know the 4 advancing. Quickly here, just put out immediate thoughts, not much is going to change in 3-4 days anyways. pretty much all of us already know what we'll be doing so heres my take: first and foremost, these semis/finals are usually decided by a mistake; out of the 90+ (or 120+) minutes of action all it takes is a 3 second lapse of concentration and 'bye-bye'. and in games where chances are few & far between - until someone bangs one in - this is usually the difference. and I have to admit to thinking: Lionel & Kylian. 2 players whom literally dont need any help. can do absolutely NOTHING for 85 minutes and then, a split second of magic. and since most of us rarely base plays on one player alone lets just try to avoid them both. - as Marcus mentioned, just once in past 5 WC's (2010) where both the fav/slight-fav in the semis indeed advanced to the final |
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Boll this should hit if Gareth even thinks about using the offside trap. |
mr_bollox | 6 |
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AC yoro samba over rated as always. Fuse Netherlands/Gauchos either qualify via ET @6.15, either qualify via PK @5.15 (L, W) +1.6 decent evening last night. did have moroccans on hc earlier. defense reminds us of our '06 team. Pending: Adding: small play with Lions to advance @+110 when this match done, take the +hc immediately on morocco in semis.
GL to all |
specimen24 | 78 |
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some other info/stats/trends discussed: early goals: i REALLY wanted to take this but its juiced. books hanging juice at the 27-28 mark? cazzo!!! (just copying from previous years). to provide an idea of how these matches tend to flow, theres been a goal before the 30th in almost HALF the Qtr-finals since '02. and with knowing Dalics MO - he loves piling on pressure the second that whistle blows for 5-10 minutes and try to get a quick lead before settling in. but I have to wonder just HOW BIG of a pair in his pants he will be have come friday to do that vs Tite. you guys know, the LAST thing you want to do is have a ping-pong match with Tites boys. if thats your thing then go for it @1.83, only reason im not is cause its not '+'. and the second one i need to keep reminding myself every bloody 4 years are those 2nd half overs. its tempting i admit. makes sense if someone is behind and the pitch opens up ehh?... coaches MO's: good luck to all |
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Netherlands/Gauchos - for me, im in a "bad" spot here. i really like VG side, but pulling for Lionel. what hes done for the sport, to the new generation and they way the game is played today... he (not CR7) was the engine that drove the sport to where we are now. but dare i even say this, a big coaching advantage as well in this one. firstly, i think Lionel will run circles around that MF Holland has assembled. is it me or have they seemed slow? and they dont seem to be playing with a whole lot of confidence. but ive always felt - from the coaching and planning perspective - that Gauchos are "easy" to develop a plan for. wherever Lionel is on the pitch is where the side of the pitch the ball will eventually flow towards. of course, the problem is stopping him. Our groups seems split right down the middle and so am i. too tough to call. just going to enjoy this one and split a regular play in two and put half on each: either qualify via ET @6.15, either qualify via PK @5.15 |
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heres most of things discussed through Qtrs. Boll, Windy sent pm.
Qtr-Finals: Brazil/Croatia - as expected, Michael got the call. swept both runners so far and here comes #3, jumped all over these immediately for this friday, O3.5 cards @+114, O4.5 @+240. agreed, after listening to Dalics interview with their local media, that one reference to how this is NOT 'figure skating'. is all i need to hear. our beloved Mr Armpits is going to be busy in a few days. and judging from Dalics comments + selections, it looks like hes going to put 5 across the park and clog up their space and copy what the Swiss side were able to do. Croats are more than capable of doing that; the space in the middle the Koreans gave up just wont be there this time around. Croats will get Tites lads shorts dirty and force Brazil wide. will that be enough? im not quite sure, its TOUGH to keep mentally alert a full 90+ vs an opponent as offensively gifted as Tites squad whom covers up their defensive weaknesses by playing o nthe front foot full-steam ahead all the time. but as we list the things with which Brazil struggles with the most, Croatia possess all 3 qualities. and yes, our argument continues (laughing) this will be the best MF Tite faces. if Croats can punch them in the mouth first their chances of extending the match increase 10x as Markus explained, Samba-boys record when the fall behind isnt very good, for all the offensive flair the Samba squads have had through the decades, they struggle when playing from behind. going to take a player prop: Brozovic to get booked @+200. we ALL know Marcelo, almost a decade over there with Nerazzurri now. hes going to get caught out, and has mean streak bigger than the Alps if ball taken from his foot. which IS going to happen in this match. for Brazil? well, dont take a genius to figure out why theyre title favs. but then again, theyre always in this spot. and for a country whoms fan base every 4 years act as if that trophy is rightfully theirs; it must be pretty embarrassing for over two decades now, h*ll... theyve had only one significant trophy in past 15 years (Copa). and theyve lost BOTH in their own backyard. eventually they are going to win one one of these days guys. its like throwing pasta on the wall; say it enough times, say it enough years, over and over again and eventually something will stick. the world got to see the Samba-flair last match; funny how everyone in media conveniently forgets they were held scoreless for over an hour to the Serbs & Swiss. and I disagree with a few (the argument continues), Brazil is not a good passing team, they pass to "areas" not pinpoint accuracy. slow them down and make them "think" and they struggle with errant passes, some too short, some too far. Brazil is at their best in the open field. theyre at their best in space, at their best when the opponent GIVES them space. and that backline is NOT as good as advertised, they struggle to keep that line straight in the back and shifting is god-awful. but Tite is masterful of not exposing their weakness simply by playing on their front foot the full 90. cazzo!! it actually looks like he plays 3 in the back all the time. Can they win 5-0? sure they can. but i doubt it, Qtr-finals arent usually played that way; and this isnt some little-sister-of-the-poor they are playing either. thats an experienced, veteran-led sqaud Dalic has assembled; and theyve been in big-games. besides, since the start of the century..... 16 of the past 20 Qtr finals in the WC have been decided by a goal or less. so i will gladly take the hc as the public falls in love with Samba yet again. Croatia +1.5 @-115 but id advise not unloading as if Samba bangs in an early one....
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Cards and referee: by far, the two biggest of WC offsides + cards (cork popping for all) Argentina/Brazil/Belgium/France score in all matches @+439 (L) -2.0 Group results: taking bunch of chances here. these will hopefully determine what to play in the 3rd matches. ------------------
Round 2: Round 3: juiced up 200s have failed to cover the -1.5 in 10 of the 17 matches (10-7)
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specimen24 | 78 |
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Block major holiday yesterday (actually, the entire week) havent had much time. a wee-bit late but will put up thoughts/plays for the Qtrs below. update everything first:
Group C: Group D: Group E: Group F: *Belgium Group G: *Switzerland |
specimen24 | 78 |
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senk appreciate it. hope all is well with self/fam. Block those props with Poland was silly close. and wasnt exactly expecting Samba to have a 4-0 advantage at the break. have had ears pinned back on this one fer a bit of time. if blows up in face so be it. Spain -1 @+104 (decided to make this big play), and toss some on the -1.5 @+175 not in mood to give back everything from Croats win, decided to have fun with the final match and simply enjoy it, as long as btts hits we'll break even at worst:
GL to all
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specimen24 | 78 |
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lost writeups running late and no time. heres the 3rd day for R16: Japan/Croatia winner in xtra time @+520, in PKs @+450; O3.5 cards @-127
GL to all |
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heres what was discussed . took a chance with the first one this afternoon. France/Poland - #2 of the juiced up favs this round. 10 of the 17 havent covered so can get a split with pretty much the same plays as the matches are similar. however..... Didier. for all the success Les Bleus have had the past 5 years, hes almost been predictable in certain ways, first of all --- if you want to include 2 euros and the previous WC since hes been there - Les Bleus have held the lead at the half in just 6 of their 20 games to date. (and theyve actually conceded the first goal in 5 of their past 7 from the recent euros and this WC). as some have mentioned and I agree, one of the biggest differences between Samba boys and Les Bleus is Brazil struggles after getting punched in mouth first. France? they tend to not start playing till they get punched in mouth and the already have the hardware to prove it. so going to toss a little on Poland to score first + France win @+720 for fun. and Poland +1/2 @-105 (1st half). Englnd/Senegal - i think Arthur has this one covered. (laughing). the ONLY thing Id like to add is the key stat for me, the Lions are/should own 60+ possession. and when they hit that number, theyll figure it out eventually. might not always be pretty. might not always satisfy their fans. but theyll figure it out. Lions -1 @-103 GL to all |
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Block appreciate the kind words but id stop a long ways short at that 'earth' thing. have some time and will just update the tourney stuff as well as some of KO rounds yoro, regarding that 'scripted' comment. one of the biggest mistakes people make coming into KOs is basing their plays on a teams performance in Group stages. 'they scored blah blah blah', ' their offense/defense has blah blah blah'. every two years between euros and the WC its the same stupid thing. during euros everyone complaining abt Lions and how theyre a great fade and look where they ended up. ditto 4 years ago with France, then Portugal not beating anyone on way to title. and it goes on and on.
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specimen24 | 78 |
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In case you ever wondered why the last round of group games KO at the same time ...
in Soccer im suprised to see someone remember this. I think it was called a 'gentlemanly agreement' back then. not 'fixed' i forgot which country got scr*wed because of that. doc, we won that WC too. beat that Samba squad where Paolo became a 'GOD' scoring 6 of our 8 goals in KOs FIFA changing that starting time rule was the last smart decision they ever made. |
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