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Posted: #76
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

And BTW - Im pretty sure N Ill would fit right in the middle of previous MAC bowl teams.  This was a down year for the MAC (that is saying a lot), dont forget the Central Michigan teams with LeFevour as of late, and Ball St in 08 etc.  This N Ill team has done nothing to distinguish itself even amongst a lousy MAC season IMO.



i read this after i posted basically the same thing...

it was well known that the MAC (an already weak conference) was in an especially weak year... over the past few years they've had legit NFL prospects quarter-backing their top teams... this year there was nothing that resembled a strong team... and NIU took advantage of that by racking up wins against all of the weakest teams in that weak conference...

gcnmoo... what is it that impresses you about a team that has nothing resembling a quality win... nothing even close to a quality win?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

They performed better in the MAC than plenty of teams from major conferences would have.  It is all relative.



yes... it is all relative... that is why i'm betting on Fresno St!  relative to the WAC, Fresno is just an ok team... relative to the MAC, Fresno is a powerhouse...


 
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Quote Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:



i read this after i posted basically the same thing...

it was well known that the MAC (an already weak conference) was in an especially weak year... over the past few years they've had legit NFL prospects quarter-backing their top teams... this year there was nothing that resembled a strong team... and NIU took advantage of that by racking up wins against all of the weakest teams in that weak conference...

gcnmoo... what is it that impresses you about a team that has nothing resembling a quality win... nothing even close to a quality win?

Scroll up to my previous posts referencing the data I've collected from both teams.  An average team would not do to the MAC what NIU did to the MAC.  An average team would do basically the same thing Fresno St did in the WAC.  NIU was a better team on the field this season than Fresno St was.  That is my argument.  Weren't you just laying 17 2 weeks ago on this NIU team vs Miami, OH.  Granted they didn't play well and lost, but I don't think you would have layed that many pts with Fresno St on a neutral field vs Mia, OH. 

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

An average team would not do to the MAC what NIU did to the MAC. 



I don't think you would have layed that many pts with Fresno St on a neutral field vs Mia, OH. 

 



1) not only would an average team do to the MAC what NIU did... below average teams (like Kansas St and Iowa St) would sweep the MAC, including NIU (which they did)...

2) you are correct... i wouldn't lay 17 with Fresno over Miami, Oh on a neutral field... but i would sure as hell lay 4...
 
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guess that should have been Illinois and Iowa St... but Kansas St would have swept the MAC, as well...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

guess that should have been Illinois and Iowa St... but Kansas St would have swept the MAC, as well...

Iowa St would not have swept the MAC.  I seriously doubt that Kansas St would either. If QB Harnish would have played that game, NIU would have beaten Iowa St IMO.  NIU should not be penalized for only losing by 6 and outgaining Illinois by 0.53 yards per play at Illinois.  Nor should they be penalized for crushing all the bad teams that they played.  I'm also not suggesting to lay off Fresno St, I'm just throwing out some counterarguments for that game.  Fresno St very well could win that game going away as I've been wrong plenty of times before and still am not convinced that NIU is a great bet either.

I think it is a game best to pass, or bet small on NIU but that is just my opinion. 

 
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nice card, BOL VZ

 
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Quote Originally Posted by monkeebooger:

Vanzack,

Curious on your record last bowl season? I think remember it was quite good.

Last season I did the impossible, picked all 35 bowl games and broke exactly even on units.

Historically, I have done well, but have had a few bad years too.

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Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

Iowa St would not have swept the MAC.  I seriously doubt that Kansas St would either. If QB Harnish would have played that game, NIU would have beaten Iowa St IMO.  NIU should not be penalized for only losing by 6 and outgaining Illinois by 0.53 yards per play at Illinois.  Nor should they be penalized for crushing all the bad teams that they played.  I'm also not suggesting to lay off Fresno St, I'm just throwing out some counterarguments for that game.  Fresno St very well could win that game going away as I've been wrong plenty of times before and still am not convinced that NIU is a great bet either.

I think it is a game best to pass, or bet small on NIU but that is just my opinion. 

Its hard to say sweep, but if Iowa St and K St were in the MAC, they would certainly be bigtime preseason favorites to win the MAC.  And they would have a decent chance of going undefeated in the MAC.

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Looks like a good chance of snow and wind at the Boise game today.
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I'm delighted to see this thread and plan to shamelesly tail your picks. I still remember your 10-0 start in '07. BOL Van
 
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Had Fresno as a 1 unit play, but that is bordering on a lean.  At best, it is going to be a very small play.

Im concerned about the weather affecting the ability to pass for Fresno.  N Ill should be able to run the ball, and if it is a run only type of game limited by wind, I dont want to be on Fresno.

Will monitor throughout the day, as of now I have 1 unit on it, but will post if I sell it.  Either way it is a small play or nothing....

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BOL Vanzack
 
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If the weather is that bad, would you consider a play on the under?
 
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Great information ... Thanks guys! Good luck Van Have a great bowl season and Thanks for all the info.
 
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Not seeing much wind in Boise for gametime, maybe 5mph.

There will be snow, which could actually help the passing game.

Im sticking with 1 unit on Fresno ML.

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Thanks van, ill be tailing you throughout the bowl season (and probably beyond that too)
 
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UTEP's defense really came to play today.

1st over of the bowl season, I think last year had a ton of overs early too......

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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Thanks van, ill be tailing you throughout the bowl season (and probably beyond that too)

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You playing any NFL tomorrow Van?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Thanks van, ill be tailing you throughout the bowl season (and probably beyond that too)


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Quote Originally Posted by Livan33:

You playing any NFL tomorrow Van?

I am, will post it here tonight.

Dont want to start a new thread in NFL forum, just too much drama.

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Sounds good, thanks Van.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

UTEP's defense really came to play today.

1st over of the bowl season, I think last year had a ton of overs early too......

On average, roughly 2 more ppg are scored in bowl games than regular season.

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