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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2011 - 6:08 PM ET #226

    Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:

    You think homosexuals choose to be that way? It's not like you grow up trying to figure out if you like boys or girls. There are some excpetions, but most are born that way. So, should they go through life faking everything and lying to themselves and their partner because God would not allow them into heaven?? Does that sound like a god to you? 

    Yes, I believe they chose to live a perverted lifestyle and not born that way where they can't help themselves.

    We all have free will to choose to do what's right or to do what's wrong. God has given us an instruction book which tells us the right way to live, the way he intended for us to live. When one doesn't abide by the way God wants us to live then that is sinful and disobedient and makes one's life miserable.

    I mean c'mon just think about for a second.

    Isn't killing someone for spiteful reasons wrong?

    Isn't it natural to see a man and a woman fall in love and marry and start a family to continually perpetuate human kind?

    Isn't stealing something that is not yours wrong?

    Isn't it unnatural to see a man fall in love with another man and marry and have sexual relations? They certainly won't be able to start a family and perpetuate themselves with children of their own. They will be scorned by many and not be accepted.

    Isn't it unnatural to find a man being attracted to another man rather than being attracted to a beautiful, voluptuos woman?

    I can go on and on with what is right and what is wrong. Everyone should clearly be able to distinctly see the distinction between the two....for one is right and the other is wrong!

    It's a far better life if one always chooses the right way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:

    You think homosexuals choose to be that way? It's not like you grow up trying to figure out if you like boys or girls. There are some excpetions, but most are born that way. So, should they go through life faking everything and lying to themselves and their partner because God would not allow them into heaven?? Does that sound like a god to you? 

    Yes, I believe they chose to live a perverted lifestyle and not born that way where they can't help themselves.

    We all have free will to choose to do what's right or to do what's wrong. God has given us an instruction book which tells us the right way to live, the way he intended for us to live. When one doesn't abide by the way God wants us to live then that is sinful and disobedient and makes one's life miserable.

    I mean c'mon just think about for a second.

    Isn't killing someone for spiteful reasons wrong?

    Isn't it natural to see a man and a woman fall in love and marry and start a family to continually perpetuate human kind?

    Isn't stealing something that is not yours wrong?

    Isn't it unnatural to see a man fall in love with another man and marry and have sexual relations? They certainly won't be able to start a family and perpetuate themselves with children of their own. They will be scorned by many and not be accepted.

    Isn't it unnatural to find a man being attracted to another man rather than being attracted to a beautiful, voluptuos woman?

    I can go on and on with what is right and what is wrong. Everyone should clearly be able to distinctly see the distinction between the two....for one is right and the other is wrong!

    It's a far better life if one always chooses the right way!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2011 - 6:29 PM ET #227

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Yes, I believe they chose to live a perverted lifestyle and not born that way where they can't help themselves.

    We all have free will to choose to do what's right or to do what's wrong. God has given us an instruction book

    (that instruction book is full of flaws)

      which tells us the right way to live, the way he intended for us to live. When one doesn't abide by the way God wants us to live then that is sinful and disobedient and makes one's life miserable.

    I mean c'mon just think about for a second.

    Isn't killing someone for spiteful reasons wrong?

    Isn't it natural to see a man and a woman fall in love and marry and start a family to continually perpetuate human kind?

    Isn't stealing something that is not yours wrong?

    Isn't it unnatural to see a man fall in love with another man and marry and have sexual relations? They certainly won't be able to start a family and perpetuate themselves with children of their own. They will be scorned by many and not be accepted.

    Exactly, so why would anyone "choose" to be homosexual? What do they get out of it? When did you choose to be hetero? If you even are? Why don't you open your narrow mind up?

    Isn't it unnatural to find a man being attracted to another man rather than being attracted to a beautiful, voluptuos woman?

    I can go on and on with what is right and what is wrong. Everyone should clearly be able to distinctly see the distinction between the two....for one is right and the other is wrong!

    It's a far better life if one always chooses the right way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Yes, I believe they chose to live a perverted lifestyle and not born that way where they can't help themselves.

    We all have free will to choose to do what's right or to do what's wrong. God has given us an instruction book

    (that instruction book is full of flaws)

      which tells us the right way to live, the way he intended for us to live. When one doesn't abide by the way God wants us to live then that is sinful and disobedient and makes one's life miserable.

    I mean c'mon just think about for a second.

    Isn't killing someone for spiteful reasons wrong?

    Isn't it natural to see a man and a woman fall in love and marry and start a family to continually perpetuate human kind?

    Isn't stealing something that is not yours wrong?

    Isn't it unnatural to see a man fall in love with another man and marry and have sexual relations? They certainly won't be able to start a family and perpetuate themselves with children of their own. They will be scorned by many and not be accepted.

    Exactly, so why would anyone "choose" to be homosexual? What do they get out of it? When did you choose to be hetero? If you even are? Why don't you open your narrow mind up?

    Isn't it unnatural to find a man being attracted to another man rather than being attracted to a beautiful, voluptuos woman?

    I can go on and on with what is right and what is wrong. Everyone should clearly be able to distinctly see the distinction between the two....for one is right and the other is wrong!

    It's a far better life if one always chooses the right way!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2011 - 9:28 PM ET #228

    Quote Originally Posted by sims_key:

    it's not blind faith, but there is much faith involved.  

    once again, why do you get to determine what God sends people to hell for...doesn't that make you God?  what are you using to determine what is "something that a true god would do"?  what are you basing this on?

     

    I'm basing it on conversations I have had with several different people that go to church and supposedly know the Bible. I have asked these very questions of them and I'm not going to give the long drawn out answers, but basically it came down to me not having faith and I would go to hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sims_key:

    it's not blind faith, but there is much faith involved.  

    once again, why do you get to determine what God sends people to hell for...doesn't that make you God?  what are you using to determine what is "something that a true god would do"?  what are you basing this on?

     

    I'm basing it on conversations I have had with several different people that go to church and supposedly know the Bible. I have asked these very questions of them and I'm not going to give the long drawn out answers, but basically it came down to me not having faith and I would go to hell.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2011 - 9:41 PM ET #229

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Yes, I believe they chose to live a perverted lifestyle and not born that way where they can't help themselves.

    We all have free will to choose to do what's right or to do what's wrong. God has given us an instruction book which tells us the right way to live, the way he intended for us to live. When one doesn't abide by the way God wants us to live then that is sinful and disobedient and makes one's life miserable.

    I mean c'mon just think about for a second.

    Isn't killing someone for spiteful reasons wrong?

    Isn't it natural to see a man and a woman fall in love and marry and start a family to continually perpetuate human kind?

    Isn't stealing something that is not yours wrong?

    Isn't it unnatural to see a man fall in love with another man and marry and have sexual relations? They certainly won't be able to start a family and perpetuate themselves with children of their own. They will be scorned by many and not be accepted.

    Isn't it unnatural to find a man being attracted to another man rather than being attracted to a beautiful, voluptuos woman?

    I can go on and on with what is right and what is wrong. Everyone should clearly be able to distinctly see the distinction between the two....for one is right and the other is wrong!

    It's a far better life if one always chooses the right way!

    You honestly think that any normal guy given the option of women or men would choose dudes? Why is it that most gay guys you can tell are gay? You think they just decided to talk and act that way or they were born more feminine?? It is something they are born with!!

    It might not be natural in most minds, but oh well, it's their lives. I personally don't condemn or really care what they do and to them that is the "right way".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Yes, I believe they chose to live a perverted lifestyle and not born that way where they can't help themselves.

    We all have free will to choose to do what's right or to do what's wrong. God has given us an instruction book which tells us the right way to live, the way he intended for us to live. When one doesn't abide by the way God wants us to live then that is sinful and disobedient and makes one's life miserable.

    I mean c'mon just think about for a second.

    Isn't killing someone for spiteful reasons wrong?

    Isn't it natural to see a man and a woman fall in love and marry and start a family to continually perpetuate human kind?

    Isn't stealing something that is not yours wrong?

    Isn't it unnatural to see a man fall in love with another man and marry and have sexual relations? They certainly won't be able to start a family and perpetuate themselves with children of their own. They will be scorned by many and not be accepted.

    Isn't it unnatural to find a man being attracted to another man rather than being attracted to a beautiful, voluptuos woman?

    I can go on and on with what is right and what is wrong. Everyone should clearly be able to distinctly see the distinction between the two....for one is right and the other is wrong!

    It's a far better life if one always chooses the right way!

    You honestly think that any normal guy given the option of women or men would choose dudes? Why is it that most gay guys you can tell are gay? You think they just decided to talk and act that way or they were born more feminine?? It is something they are born with!!

    It might not be natural in most minds, but oh well, it's their lives. I personally don't condemn or really care what they do and to them that is the "right way".

     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2011 - 10:22 PM ET #230

    Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:

    You honestly think that any normal guy given the option of women or men would choose dudes? Why is it that most gay guys you can tell are gay? You think they just decided to talk and act that way or they were born more feminine?? It is something they are born with!!

    It might not be natural in most minds, but oh well, it's their lives. I personally don't condemn or really care what they do and to them that is the "right way".



    I hate to agree with you but I have heard from some pretty hardline christian men that it is not a choice.  No true christian would ever spend his days focusing on what two guys do in the bedroom or even a guy and three girls for that matter. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:

    You honestly think that any normal guy given the option of women or men would choose dudes? Why is it that most gay guys you can tell are gay? You think they just decided to talk and act that way or they were born more feminine?? It is something they are born with!!

    It might not be natural in most minds, but oh well, it's their lives. I personally don't condemn or really care what they do and to them that is the "right way".



    I hate to agree with you but I have heard from some pretty hardline christian men that it is not a choice.  No true christian would ever spend his days focusing on what two guys do in the bedroom or even a guy and three girls for that matter. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2011 - 10:47 PM ET #231

    Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:

    You honestly think that any normal guy given the option of women or men would choose dudes? Why is it that most gay guys you can tell are gay? You think they just decided to talk and act that way or they were born more feminine?? It is something they are born with!!

    It might not be natural in most minds, but oh well, it's their lives. I personally don't condemn or really care what they do and to them that is the "right way".

    I just can't agree with any of your views. They are not born that way but they chose to be that way. So now you're saying whatever anyone deems is right is ok with you?

    If a serial killer told you he was born to be a serial killer would you not care that he continues killing because to him it is the "right way"?

     Lastly all I know is that their chosen perverted lifestyle is a sin and not acceptable by God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:

    You honestly think that any normal guy given the option of women or men would choose dudes? Why is it that most gay guys you can tell are gay? You think they just decided to talk and act that way or they were born more feminine?? It is something they are born with!!

    It might not be natural in most minds, but oh well, it's their lives. I personally don't condemn or really care what they do and to them that is the "right way".

    I just can't agree with any of your views. They are not born that way but they chose to be that way. So now you're saying whatever anyone deems is right is ok with you?

    If a serial killer told you he was born to be a serial killer would you not care that he continues killing because to him it is the "right way"?

     Lastly all I know is that their chosen perverted lifestyle is a sin and not acceptable by God.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2011 - 11:57 PM ET #232

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I just can't agree with any of your views. They are not born that way but they chose to be that way. So now you're saying whatever anyone deems is right is ok with you?

    If a serial killer told you he was born to be a serial killer would you not care that he continues killing because to him it is the "right way"?

     Lastly all I know is that their chosen perverted lifestyle is a sin and not acceptable by God.


    You can't agree because you're closed minded, why would anyone choose that lifestyle? Still waiting for what they get out of it? Even your "brother" onlygod agrees... Stop trying to change the subject, killing other people is nowhere close to being homosexual

    It's not acceptable by your "god" but rape, slavery, genocide is! your god is an ass and so are you 

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I just can't agree with any of your views. They are not born that way but they chose to be that way. So now you're saying whatever anyone deems is right is ok with you?

    If a serial killer told you he was born to be a serial killer would you not care that he continues killing because to him it is the "right way"?

     Lastly all I know is that their chosen perverted lifestyle is a sin and not acceptable by God.


    You can't agree because you're closed minded, why would anyone choose that lifestyle? Still waiting for what they get out of it? Even your "brother" onlygod agrees... Stop trying to change the subject, killing other people is nowhere close to being homosexual

    It's not acceptable by your "god" but rape, slavery, genocide is! your god is an ass and so are you 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 12:10 AM ET #233

    On the gay subject,
    Jesus was a man of great loving and loved all men and women. He loved criminals and prostitutes. As long as they were accepting of him, he accepted them.
    If Jesus spoke about men putting their dicks in other mens mouths or assholes, could you share that with us?
    If he talked about homosexuality as being perverted could you share that with us?
    Jesus was a man or God of love, many churches openly accept homosexuality.  I cannot say what Jesus would do but my interpretation is he would love gays fully. The church of today ,to me,is missing this point.
    Judge not lest you be judged.
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    On the gay subject,
    Jesus was a man of great loving and loved all men and women. He loved criminals and prostitutes. As long as they were accepting of him, he accepted them.
    If Jesus spoke about men putting their dicks in other mens mouths or assholes, could you share that with us?
    If he talked about homosexuality as being perverted could you share that with us?
    Jesus was a man or God of love, many churches openly accept homosexuality.  I cannot say what Jesus would do but my interpretation is he would love gays fully. The church of today ,to me,is missing this point.
    Judge not lest you be judged.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 12:17 AM ET #234

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    IT TELLS US IN THE BIBLE TO KILL HOMOSEXUALS!!!

    Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death"


    I always love this. Where is my Deutrotomy boy with all his quotes.

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    IT TELLS US IN THE BIBLE TO KILL HOMOSEXUALS!!!

    Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death"


    I always love this. Where is my Deutrotomy boy with all his quotes.

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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 2:23 AM ET #235

    WHY DOES GOD HATE AMPUTEES?!?!?!

    People give "god" credit for curing stuff like cancer, but why doesn't he ever give someone a new arm or leg.

    I'd say god is an asshole, but he/she/it does not exist.

    I wish there was a god, because I love the idea of it.  It's a shame I was born with a brain that functions greatly in the area of logic...


    Go ahead and give me the typical bullshit answer to the amputee question.  I know it's coming.  I'm truly amazed that there are people who can blindly believe in fairy tales.
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    WHY DOES GOD HATE AMPUTEES?!?!?!

    People give "god" credit for curing stuff like cancer, but why doesn't he ever give someone a new arm or leg.

    I'd say god is an asshole, but he/she/it does not exist.

    I wish there was a god, because I love the idea of it.  It's a shame I was born with a brain that functions greatly in the area of logic...


    Go ahead and give me the typical bullshit answer to the amputee question.  I know it's coming.  I'm truly amazed that there are people who can blindly believe in fairy tales.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I just can't agree with any of your views. They are not born that way but they chose to be that way. So now you're saying whatever anyone deems is right is ok with you?

    If a serial killer told you he was born to be a serial killer would you not care that he continues killing because to him it is the "right way"?

     Lastly all I know is that their chosen perverted lifestyle is a sin and not acceptable by God.

    It's not just "views". Any person with a Masters or a PHD in Behavioral Science, Genetics, Biology, etc. would be able to explain at a cocktail party what makes your "choices". You are a rat in a cage which can understand it is a rat in a cage. What genetic garbage seeped out of Daddy's nuts decided most everything you would most likely become. Just a matter of probability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I just can't agree with any of your views. They are not born that way but they chose to be that way. So now you're saying whatever anyone deems is right is ok with you?

    If a serial killer told you he was born to be a serial killer would you not care that he continues killing because to him it is the "right way"?

     Lastly all I know is that their chosen perverted lifestyle is a sin and not acceptable by God.

    It's not just "views". Any person with a Masters or a PHD in Behavioral Science, Genetics, Biology, etc. would be able to explain at a cocktail party what makes your "choices". You are a rat in a cage which can understand it is a rat in a cage. What genetic garbage seeped out of Daddy's nuts decided most everything you would most likely become. Just a matter of probability.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 4:05 AM ET #237

    Isn't it unnatural? What can be unnatural in the kingdom of god??? The sheer ignorance it takes to drive over the gaping holes in your logic are... well, typical of the close minded.
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    Isn't it unnatural? What can be unnatural in the kingdom of god??? The sheer ignorance it takes to drive over the gaping holes in your logic are... well, typical of the close minded.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 4:17 AM ET #238

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Exactly!

    I have said it before...it is not debatable. You either believe or don't believe but of course people still like to debate it because as we all know it is such a powerful, interesting topic of discussion but proven it or disproven it is absolutely impossible.

    He didn't say it wasn't debatable dumb ass. He's saying the way we are debating the matter will not yield results. that both sides debating method is flawed. Garbage in, garbage out.He is also suggesting that the question may be beyond human reason to unravel to a satisfactory end. You guys can't even read and comprehend simple sentence structure, let alone some deep truth. Breathtaking as usual.
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    Exactly!

    I have said it before...it is not debatable. You either believe or don't believe but of course people still like to debate it because as we all know it is such a powerful, interesting topic of discussion but proven it or disproven it is absolutely impossible.

    He didn't say it wasn't debatable dumb ass. He's saying the way we are debating the matter will not yield results. that both sides debating method is flawed. Garbage in, garbage out.He is also suggesting that the question may be beyond human reason to unravel to a satisfactory end. You guys can't even read and comprehend simple sentence structure, let alone some deep truth. Breathtaking as usual.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 4:59 AM ET #239

    Thank God for tender mercies, and that little dust up between SJD and O.G. that was cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I just can't agree with any of your views. They are not born that way but they chose to be that way. So now you're saying whatever anyone deems is right is ok with you?

    If a serial killer told you he was born to be a serial killer would you not care that he continues killing because to him it is the "right way"?

     Lastly all I know is that their chosen perverted lifestyle is a sin and not acceptable by God.

     

    Uhhhh.....a serial killer harms others and is not safe to society. A homosexual in no way harms me or society. Who are you to tell them they are wrong? Would I be like that....no, but it's their life and they shouldn't have to feel condemned by people like yourself because they were born different....and yes they were born different and it isn't their fault! As the other poster said.....stop being so close minded.

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    I just can't agree with any of your views. They are not born that way but they chose to be that way. So now you're saying whatever anyone deems is right is ok with you?

    If a serial killer told you he was born to be a serial killer would you not care that he continues killing because to him it is the "right way"?

     Lastly all I know is that their chosen perverted lifestyle is a sin and not acceptable by God.

     

    Uhhhh.....a serial killer harms others and is not safe to society. A homosexual in no way harms me or society. Who are you to tell them they are wrong? Would I be like that....no, but it's their life and they shouldn't have to feel condemned by people like yourself because they were born different....and yes they were born different and it isn't their fault! As the other poster said.....stop being so close minded.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 11:11 AM ET #241

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I just can't agree with any of your views. They are not born that way but they chose to be that way. So now you're saying whatever anyone deems is right is ok with you?

    If a serial killer told you he was born to be a serial killer would you not care that he continues killing because to him it is the "right way"?

     Lastly all I know is that their chosen perverted lifestyle is a sin and not acceptable by God.

    God told me pesonally that we are al his children and that he has changed his mind about the gays. They are A- OK. Free your mind man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I just can't agree with any of your views. They are not born that way but they chose to be that way. So now you're saying whatever anyone deems is right is ok with you?

    If a serial killer told you he was born to be a serial killer would you not care that he continues killing because to him it is the "right way"?

     Lastly all I know is that their chosen perverted lifestyle is a sin and not acceptable by God.

    God told me pesonally that we are al his children and that he has changed his mind about the gays. They are A- OK. Free your mind man.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 3:25 PM ET #242

    Quote Originally Posted by E-Muffin:

     

    Uhhhh.....a serial killer harms others and is not safe to society. A homosexual in no way harms me or society. Who are you to tell them they are wrong? Would I be like that....no, but it's their life and they shouldn't have to feel condemned by people like yourself because they were born different....and yes they were born different and it isn't their fault! As the other poster said.....stop being so close minded.

    Boy aren't you naive. The gay society has harmed millions of people since 1981 when the AIDS epidemic was first recognized, it has led to the deaths of more than 30 million people. As we all know the epidemic was primarily in the gay community when it first broke out, then it spread to everyone when some of these gays had relations with straight people and now look at the mess we're in today!

    In 2009 an estimate of 33.3 million people were living with HIV/AIDS.

    So looking at those numbers I would say overall the gay community has done more harm to society than serial killers...wouldn't you?

    Lastly, they were born the same as everyone else, they just chose to be different by engaging in a perverted lifestyle that has gravely harmed society with the spread of AIDS.

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    Uhhhh.....a serial killer harms others and is not safe to society. A homosexual in no way harms me or society. Who are you to tell them they are wrong? Would I be like that....no, but it's their life and they shouldn't have to feel condemned by people like yourself because they were born different....and yes they were born different and it isn't their fault! As the other poster said.....stop being so close minded.

    Boy aren't you naive. The gay society has harmed millions of people since 1981 when the AIDS epidemic was first recognized, it has led to the deaths of more than 30 million people. As we all know the epidemic was primarily in the gay community when it first broke out, then it spread to everyone when some of these gays had relations with straight people and now look at the mess we're in today!

    In 2009 an estimate of 33.3 million people were living with HIV/AIDS.

    So looking at those numbers I would say overall the gay community has done more harm to society than serial killers...wouldn't you?

    Lastly, they were born the same as everyone else, they just chose to be different by engaging in a perverted lifestyle that has gravely harmed society with the spread of AIDS.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 3:32 PM ET #243

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    He didn't say it wasn't debatable dumb ass. He's saying the way we are debating the matter will not yield results. that both sides debating method is flawed. Garbage in, garbage out.He is also suggesting that the question may be beyond human reason to unravel to a satisfactory end. You guys can't even read and comprehend simple sentence structure, let alone some deep truth. Breathtaking as usual.

    I know he didn't say it but I said it myself that it wasn't debatable. So look who is talking about people who can't read and comprehend simple sentence structure....lol too funny!

    Furthermore everything you said makes my point that it is really not debatable...lol too funny again!

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    He didn't say it wasn't debatable dumb ass. He's saying the way we are debating the matter will not yield results. that both sides debating method is flawed. Garbage in, garbage out.He is also suggesting that the question may be beyond human reason to unravel to a satisfactory end. You guys can't even read and comprehend simple sentence structure, let alone some deep truth. Breathtaking as usual.

    I know he didn't say it but I said it myself that it wasn't debatable. So look who is talking about people who can't read and comprehend simple sentence structure....lol too funny!

    Furthermore everything you said makes my point that it is really not debatable...lol too funny again!

     
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    For the record, SJD's comments are personal are not to be construed to be "Christian" blanket-statements.

    Why you guys (Christians) are engaging in this dialogue makes no sense to me.  It's very ANTI-Christian to major on the minors imo.  Christ was much harder on the religious people than the secular people.  So why are we spending so much time pointing fingers at them.  Blaming homosexuals for 33 million deaths is one of the most insane things i have ever heard.

    In the 1930's, when The Times of London asked Britain's leading intellectuals what they thought was the biggest problem in the world, author G.K. Chesterton sent back a quick postcard response saying, "I am."  As Christians, it is fundamental to our beliefs that we embrace this posture.
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    For the record, SJD's comments are personal are not to be construed to be "Christian" blanket-statements.

    Why you guys (Christians) are engaging in this dialogue makes no sense to me.  It's very ANTI-Christian to major on the minors imo.  Christ was much harder on the religious people than the secular people.  So why are we spending so much time pointing fingers at them.  Blaming homosexuals for 33 million deaths is one of the most insane things i have ever heard.

    In the 1930's, when The Times of London asked Britain's leading intellectuals what they thought was the biggest problem in the world, author G.K. Chesterton sent back a quick postcard response saying, "I am."  As Christians, it is fundamental to our beliefs that we embrace this posture.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2011 - 11:36 AM ET #245

    this is dead on-
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    Joshua Commanding the Sun to Stand Still Upon Gideon
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Boy aren't you naive. The gay society has harmed millions of people since 1981 when the AIDS epidemic was first recognized, it has led to the deaths of more than 30 million people. As we all know the epidemic was primarily in the gay community when it first broke out, then it spread to everyone when some of these gays had relations with straight people and now look at the mess we're in today!

    In 2009 an estimate of 33.3 million people were living with HIV/AIDS.

    So looking at those numbers I would say overall the gay community has done more harm to society than serial killers...wouldn't you?

    Lastly, they were born the same as everyone else, they just chose to be different by engaging in a perverted lifestyle that has gravely harmed society with the spread of AIDS.

    First off, AIDS hasn't killed anywhere near the number of people that have been killed for the sake of religion throughout our history.  Secondly, if gays chose to be that way as you say and are not born with homosexual tendicies, then why would god make some people hermorphidites?  What if two hermorphidites chose to get married?  Remember, god made them that way, and he surely loves them like everyone else.  So, if god made hermorphidites, he surely makes homosexuals.  And do you really think that 11, 12, and 13 year olds know that much about love and life, that they decide to be gay at that early age?  Pull your head out of your butt!!!!

    I was raised catholic when I was growing up.  In religion class, we were taught that god loves everyone, he's all forgiving, all understanding, and all everything.  But YOU still insist that because of your views and attitude, you are saying that god is WRONG about homosexuals and you are right...hmmmmm. 

    Furthermore,  if you use the bible for your guidance, I REALLY feel sorry for you.   You are probably not reading the bible as it was written.  You are probably reading the KING JAMES version,(15th century version) which eliminated parts that were contradictory to their own views and beliefs and therefore the bible is biased.  If you were to be able to read the real bible, you may change your mind.  There are alot of things in the original bible that would contradict the teaching and attitudes of people like you, but people like you like to inject their PERSONAL beliefs on others by using the bible as your reasoning.  How PATHETIC!!!

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    Boy aren't you naive. The gay society has harmed millions of people since 1981 when the AIDS epidemic was first recognized, it has led to the deaths of more than 30 million people. As we all know the epidemic was primarily in the gay community when it first broke out, then it spread to everyone when some of these gays had relations with straight people and now look at the mess we're in today!

    In 2009 an estimate of 33.3 million people were living with HIV/AIDS.

    So looking at those numbers I would say overall the gay community has done more harm to society than serial killers...wouldn't you?

    Lastly, they were born the same as everyone else, they just chose to be different by engaging in a perverted lifestyle that has gravely harmed society with the spread of AIDS.

    First off, AIDS hasn't killed anywhere near the number of people that have been killed for the sake of religion throughout our history.  Secondly, if gays chose to be that way as you say and are not born with homosexual tendicies, then why would god make some people hermorphidites?  What if two hermorphidites chose to get married?  Remember, god made them that way, and he surely loves them like everyone else.  So, if god made hermorphidites, he surely makes homosexuals.  And do you really think that 11, 12, and 13 year olds know that much about love and life, that they decide to be gay at that early age?  Pull your head out of your butt!!!!

    I was raised catholic when I was growing up.  In religion class, we were taught that god loves everyone, he's all forgiving, all understanding, and all everything.  But YOU still insist that because of your views and attitude, you are saying that god is WRONG about homosexuals and you are right...hmmmmm. 

    Furthermore,  if you use the bible for your guidance, I REALLY feel sorry for you.   You are probably not reading the bible as it was written.  You are probably reading the KING JAMES version,(15th century version) which eliminated parts that were contradictory to their own views and beliefs and therefore the bible is biased.  If you were to be able to read the real bible, you may change your mind.  There are alot of things in the original bible that would contradict the teaching and attitudes of people like you, but people like you like to inject their PERSONAL beliefs on others by using the bible as your reasoning.  How PATHETIC!!!

     
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    SJD, I respect you on these forums because i believe you are a true believer in the Lord.

    I myself am a believer in God.

    I must say though that i strongly disagree with your viewpoints on homosexuality.

    You first must understand that being gay is NOT a choice.  It is how they were born. 

    Many many gay people struggle with their lives because they do not fit in, and because they know they are different.

    It is not a choice.  It is how they are born.

    As far as AIDS and your argument that because of gay people there is AIDS is simply untrue.

    Homosexuals have been around for thousands of years.  AIDS came into existence around 100 years ago, and it has been shown that through genetic studies it passed into the human population from chimpanzees.  AIDS entered the US in 1969 and the first case of AIDS was reported in 1981.

    Also, it has been proven that AIDS is not isolated to the gay community.

    Lastly, God is love.  Gays were absolutely born into the world the way they are, and we must accept them.

    I am suprised at you SJD that you believe gays choose to be gays.  No man would physically choose to be with another man.  It is the nature of their mind and how they were born.

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    SJD, I respect you on these forums because i believe you are a true believer in the Lord.

    I myself am a believer in God.

    I must say though that i strongly disagree with your viewpoints on homosexuality.

    You first must understand that being gay is NOT a choice.  It is how they were born. 

    Many many gay people struggle with their lives because they do not fit in, and because they know they are different.

    It is not a choice.  It is how they are born.

    As far as AIDS and your argument that because of gay people there is AIDS is simply untrue.

    Homosexuals have been around for thousands of years.  AIDS came into existence around 100 years ago, and it has been shown that through genetic studies it passed into the human population from chimpanzees.  AIDS entered the US in 1969 and the first case of AIDS was reported in 1981.

    Also, it has been proven that AIDS is not isolated to the gay community.

    Lastly, God is love.  Gays were absolutely born into the world the way they are, and we must accept them.

    I am suprised at you SJD that you believe gays choose to be gays.  No man would physically choose to be with another man.  It is the nature of their mind and how they were born.

     
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    There are many forbidden sexual practices but because at the moment we have been talking about homosexuality I'll just quote what God said to Moses regarding it right after the first part of chapter 18 of Leviticus verses 1 through 5 in the Holy Bible. For those who are curious as to what are the other forbidden sexual practices, well read chapter 18 of Leviticus.

    Then the Lord said to Moses, "Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. I am the Lord your God. So do not act like the people of Egypt, where you used to live, or like the people of Canaan, where I am taking you. You must not imitate their way of life. You must obey all my regulations and be careful to obey mly decrees and my regulations, you will find life through them. I am the Lord. ---Leviticus 18:1-5

    "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." ---Leviticus 18:22

    Because they don't believe in God I can understand heathens saying homosexuals can't help themselves for the way they are because they were born like that but to hear other Christians say the same thing is absolutely shocking to me, I mean are you questioning God's position on a forbidden sexual practice regarding homosexuality? If you are then you must be also questioning his position on the other forbidden sexual practices and feel the same way too that these people can't help themselves because they were born that way....you fellow Christians who are thinking this way better get your bibles out and start doing some serious reading and start to really know our Lord Almighty God and on all the things he considers sinful!!

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    There are many forbidden sexual practices but because at the moment we have been talking about homosexuality I'll just quote what God said to Moses regarding it right after the first part of chapter 18 of Leviticus verses 1 through 5 in the Holy Bible. For those who are curious as to what are the other forbidden sexual practices, well read chapter 18 of Leviticus.

    Then the Lord said to Moses, "Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. I am the Lord your God. So do not act like the people of Egypt, where you used to live, or like the people of Canaan, where I am taking you. You must not imitate their way of life. You must obey all my regulations and be careful to obey mly decrees and my regulations, you will find life through them. I am the Lord. ---Leviticus 18:1-5

    "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." ---Leviticus 18:22

    Because they don't believe in God I can understand heathens saying homosexuals can't help themselves for the way they are because they were born like that but to hear other Christians say the same thing is absolutely shocking to me, I mean are you questioning God's position on a forbidden sexual practice regarding homosexuality? If you are then you must be also questioning his position on the other forbidden sexual practices and feel the same way too that these people can't help themselves because they were born that way....you fellow Christians who are thinking this way better get your bibles out and start doing some serious reading and start to really know our Lord Almighty God and on all the things he considers sinful!!

     
     
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    God's Anger at Sin

    But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities---his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

    Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshipping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshipped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

    So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshipped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women dulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

    Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, the encourage others to do them, too.---Romans 1:18-32.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities---his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

    Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshipping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshipped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

    So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshipped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women dulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

    Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, the encourage others to do them, too.---Romans 1:18-32.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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