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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:08 PM ET #3101

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Hey, i have a gambling debt and it needs to be paid off. I dont have anyone money to pay it off, can you pay it off for me? I dont know you and you dont know me, but still, can you pay it off?

    Actually, i just got off the phone with the bookie, he said, he will forgive my debt, if you, yes you go to his house, at his house, he will lash you 100 times on your back, then after the lashing, he and his heavies will drag you by the hair ont he ground for a few km's, then he has a very very big and heavy wooden cross that weighs 7-8 times than you do, you will need to carry that cross for a a few km's, everytime you fall, one of his heavies will whip you...

    When you get to the end, they will drive 50 cm nails into ankles and hands.......and eventually die.

    If you do this, they will forgive my debt, can you do this for me? Actually, the bookmaker said that they will forgive every single persons debt.....

    They want you because you have never gambled in your life or done anything wrong...

    Cmon, can you do this, after all, according to you, "it is no biggy"

    I await your response....

    Sadism and insanity are your arguments for divinty?  Give me a major intersection in a major city and i'll show you someone making the same claims.  Your savior, if he existed at all, was likely a mentally ill but charismatic man who cultivated a subversive following at a politically sensitive time in roman history, and was sadistically tortured by the roman dictatorship, as were tens of thousands of others.  His charisma, the weakening of the empire, its oppression, and many other socio/political trends allowed his words to gain a foothold and a loyal following, and it spread through an oppressed society with a very appealing message, the message that would be its legacy and its power- that it matters not what vile oppression you face in this world, you will be rewardeed in another.  This credulity and need for hope was later co-opted by power hungry people, and here we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Hey, i have a gambling debt and it needs to be paid off. I dont have anyone money to pay it off, can you pay it off for me? I dont know you and you dont know me, but still, can you pay it off?

    Actually, i just got off the phone with the bookie, he said, he will forgive my debt, if you, yes you go to his house, at his house, he will lash you 100 times on your back, then after the lashing, he and his heavies will drag you by the hair ont he ground for a few km's, then he has a very very big and heavy wooden cross that weighs 7-8 times than you do, you will need to carry that cross for a a few km's, everytime you fall, one of his heavies will whip you...

    When you get to the end, they will drive 50 cm nails into ankles and hands.......and eventually die.

    If you do this, they will forgive my debt, can you do this for me? Actually, the bookmaker said that they will forgive every single persons debt.....

    They want you because you have never gambled in your life or done anything wrong...

    Cmon, can you do this, after all, according to you, "it is no biggy"

    I await your response....

    Sadism and insanity are your arguments for divinty?  Give me a major intersection in a major city and i'll show you someone making the same claims.  Your savior, if he existed at all, was likely a mentally ill but charismatic man who cultivated a subversive following at a politically sensitive time in roman history, and was sadistically tortured by the roman dictatorship, as were tens of thousands of others.  His charisma, the weakening of the empire, its oppression, and many other socio/political trends allowed his words to gain a foothold and a loyal following, and it spread through an oppressed society with a very appealing message, the message that would be its legacy and its power- that it matters not what vile oppression you face in this world, you will be rewardeed in another.  This credulity and need for hope was later co-opted by power hungry people, and here we are.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:08 PM ET #3102

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Listen moron.  I know what you clowns believe about getting into heaven.  I'm mocking it because it's an absolute joke.  A guy could live his whole life without sinning and not believe in god and be sent to hell.  How fuckin egotistical is your god.  What a dick...  But if a mass murderer believes in god and says he's sorry he gets into heaven.  How can you not see this bullshit?  Your god is a dick...

    How do you call something that doesnt exist a derogatory name?

    Confused a little?

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    Listen moron.  I know what you clowns believe about getting into heaven.  I'm mocking it because it's an absolute joke.  A guy could live his whole life without sinning and not believe in god and be sent to hell.  How fuckin egotistical is your god.  What a dick...  But if a mass murderer believes in god and says he's sorry he gets into heaven.  How can you not see this bullshit?  Your god is a dick...

    How do you call something that doesnt exist a derogatory name?

    Confused a little?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:11 PM ET #3103

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Hey, i have a gambling debt and it needs to be paid off. I dont have anyone money to pay it off, can you pay it off for me? I dont know you and you dont know me, but still, can you pay it off?

    Actually, i just got off the phone with the bookie, he said, he will forgive my debt, if you, yes you go to his house, at his house, he will lash you 100 times on your back, then after the lashing, he and his heavies will drag you by the hair ont he ground for a few km's, then he has a very very big and heavy wooden cross that weighs 7-8 times than you do, you will need to carry that cross for a a few km's, everytime you fall, one of his heavies will whip you...

    When you get to the end, they will drive 50 cm nails into ankles and hands.......and eventually die.

    If you do this, they will forgive my debt, can you do this for me? Actually, the bookmaker said that they will forgive every single persons debt.....

    They want you because you have never gambled in your life or done anything wrong...

    Cmon, can you do this, after all, according to you, "it is no biggy"

    I await your response....


    Creating examples to relate to Jesus' death = F

    This example in no way reflects what Jesus did.  This example is misleading and stupid.

    Jesus knew he would be rewarded with eternal happiness.  How can you compare the two?  This is ridiculous.

    If I knew with 100% certainty that if I was tortured and crucified that I would get to live in heaven forever, why wouldn't I do it?

    The fact remains your example is terrible...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Hey, i have a gambling debt and it needs to be paid off. I dont have anyone money to pay it off, can you pay it off for me? I dont know you and you dont know me, but still, can you pay it off?

    Actually, i just got off the phone with the bookie, he said, he will forgive my debt, if you, yes you go to his house, at his house, he will lash you 100 times on your back, then after the lashing, he and his heavies will drag you by the hair ont he ground for a few km's, then he has a very very big and heavy wooden cross that weighs 7-8 times than you do, you will need to carry that cross for a a few km's, everytime you fall, one of his heavies will whip you...

    When you get to the end, they will drive 50 cm nails into ankles and hands.......and eventually die.

    If you do this, they will forgive my debt, can you do this for me? Actually, the bookmaker said that they will forgive every single persons debt.....

    They want you because you have never gambled in your life or done anything wrong...

    Cmon, can you do this, after all, according to you, "it is no biggy"

    I await your response....


    Creating examples to relate to Jesus' death = F

    This example in no way reflects what Jesus did.  This example is misleading and stupid.

    Jesus knew he would be rewarded with eternal happiness.  How can you compare the two?  This is ridiculous.

    If I knew with 100% certainty that if I was tortured and crucified that I would get to live in heaven forever, why wouldn't I do it?

    The fact remains your example is terrible...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:11 PM ET #3104

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    You're clueless.  Do you understand how scary the implications of atheism are?  Believing in heaven is realllll scary.  All that eternal happiness is frightening...

    Belief in hevan is scary? Because i do my best to abide by the 10 commandments every day to get to heavan? real scary....

    The stupidity displayed by you is scary at times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    You're clueless.  Do you understand how scary the implications of atheism are?  Believing in heaven is realllll scary.  All that eternal happiness is frightening...

    Belief in hevan is scary? Because i do my best to abide by the 10 commandments every day to get to heavan? real scary....

    The stupidity displayed by you is scary at times...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:12 PM ET #3105

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How do you call something that doesnt exist a derogatory name?

    Confused a little?

     

    Are you really as simple as the other lemmings who post in agreement with you?  He is obviously saying that YOUR interpretation of a god, as evidenced by the bible, would be an utter pile of shit if it actually existed.  We would characterise anyone with its tendencies as an unredeemable sociopath... not that mik needs my defense or anything- he and others have done just fine long before i chimed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How do you call something that doesnt exist a derogatory name?

    Confused a little?

     

    Are you really as simple as the other lemmings who post in agreement with you?  He is obviously saying that YOUR interpretation of a god, as evidenced by the bible, would be an utter pile of shit if it actually existed.  We would characterise anyone with its tendencies as an unredeemable sociopath... not that mik needs my defense or anything- he and others have done just fine long before i chimed in.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:13 PM ET #3106

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How do you call something that doesnt exist a derogatory name?

    Confused a little?


    And this exemplifies the stupidity that is Rostos. By Rostos' standards, hypotheticals don't exist. If you make any sort of statement regarding something you are only acknowledging for hypothetical purposes, he COMPLETELY IGNORES YOUR POINT and focuses on the fact that you don't really believe in the subject of the point.

    In other words, atheists are not allowed to judge god EVER because we don't believe god exists.

    Let me put it in perspective. According to Rostos, I am NOT allowed to say: "If the Cowboys make the playoffs, I like their chances round 1." because the Cowboys may not make the playoffs. If I don't truly believe the Cowboys will beat the Giants next week, I can't comment on what may happen afterwards. You are so fucking stupid it's incredible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How do you call something that doesnt exist a derogatory name?

    Confused a little?


    And this exemplifies the stupidity that is Rostos. By Rostos' standards, hypotheticals don't exist. If you make any sort of statement regarding something you are only acknowledging for hypothetical purposes, he COMPLETELY IGNORES YOUR POINT and focuses on the fact that you don't really believe in the subject of the point.

    In other words, atheists are not allowed to judge god EVER because we don't believe god exists.

    Let me put it in perspective. According to Rostos, I am NOT allowed to say: "If the Cowboys make the playoffs, I like their chances round 1." because the Cowboys may not make the playoffs. If I don't truly believe the Cowboys will beat the Giants next week, I can't comment on what may happen afterwards. You are so fucking stupid it's incredible.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:13 PM ET #3107

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    You know what system, from now on, i am going to sign up for every course in university, courses in physics, biology, engineering, medicine, because i am going to adopt you methodology of answering question in exams, with sinple, "what  a load of crap", "thats not true", "thats rubbish"....

    I am not going to answer the questions at all, not going to give the reasons why the statements int e exam are false, just going to use your terminology, i am sure i will get my PHD's in those subjects with your logic....

    Responding to an statement with "what a load of crap"...

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    if you want better answers, go back 20 pages, I'm tired of repeating myself, and I've noticed nobody answered my question.
    maybe you will, what religion would you probably follow/ believe if you were raised in a muslim family?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    You know what system, from now on, i am going to sign up for every course in university, courses in physics, biology, engineering, medicine, because i am going to adopt you methodology of answering question in exams, with sinple, "what  a load of crap", "thats not true", "thats rubbish"....

    I am not going to answer the questions at all, not going to give the reasons why the statements int e exam are false, just going to use your terminology, i am sure i will get my PHD's in those subjects with your logic....

    Responding to an statement with "what a load of crap"...

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    if you want better answers, go back 20 pages, I'm tired of repeating myself, and I've noticed nobody answered my question.
    maybe you will, what religion would you probably follow/ believe if you were raised in a muslim family?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:13 PM ET #3108

    Quote Originally Posted by SurfApe:

    Sadism and insanity are your arguments for divinty?  Give me a major intersection in a major city and i'll show you someone making the same claims.  Your savior, if he existed at all, was likely a mentally ill but charismatic man who cultivated a subversive following at a politically sensitive time in roman history, and was sadistically tortured by the roman dictatorship, as were tens of thousands of others.  His charisma, the weakening of the empire, its oppression, and many other socio/political trends allowed his words to gain a foothold and a loyal following, and it spread through an oppressed society with a very appealing message, the message that would be its legacy and its power- that it matters not what vile oppression you face in this world, you will be rewardeed in another.  This credulity and need for hope was later co-opted by power hungry people, and here we are.

    Hey that is the price that needs to be paid off otherwise all souls will go to satin......Thats the deal....

    The world doesnt go according to you......

    Of course you wont see this because your heart is black and hardened...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfApe:

    Sadism and insanity are your arguments for divinty?  Give me a major intersection in a major city and i'll show you someone making the same claims.  Your savior, if he existed at all, was likely a mentally ill but charismatic man who cultivated a subversive following at a politically sensitive time in roman history, and was sadistically tortured by the roman dictatorship, as were tens of thousands of others.  His charisma, the weakening of the empire, its oppression, and many other socio/political trends allowed his words to gain a foothold and a loyal following, and it spread through an oppressed society with a very appealing message, the message that would be its legacy and its power- that it matters not what vile oppression you face in this world, you will be rewardeed in another.  This credulity and need for hope was later co-opted by power hungry people, and here we are.

    Hey that is the price that needs to be paid off otherwise all souls will go to satin......Thats the deal....

    The world doesnt go according to you......

    Of course you wont see this because your heart is black and hardened...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:14 PM ET #3109

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Belief in hevan is scary? Because i do my best to abide by the 10 commandments every day to get to heavan? real scary....

    The stupidity displayed by you is scary at times...


    WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN? Of course belief in heaven isn't scary. That was his point. What's yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Belief in hevan is scary? Because i do my best to abide by the 10 commandments every day to get to heavan? real scary....

    The stupidity displayed by you is scary at times...


    WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN? Of course belief in heaven isn't scary. That was his point. What's yours?
     
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    if you want better answers, go back 20 pages, I'm tired of repeating myself, and I've noticed nobody answered my question.
    maybe you will, what religion would you probably follow/ believe if you were raised in a muslim family?

    And still no one has answered any of Sugarbear's questions lol 
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    if you want better answers, go back 20 pages, I'm tired of repeating myself, and I've noticed nobody answered my question.
    maybe you will, what religion would you probably follow/ believe if you were raised in a muslim family?

    And still no one has answered any of Sugarbear's questions lol 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:15 PM ET #3111

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How do you call something that doesnt exist a derogatory name?

    Confused a little?


    Are you serious?  So from now on should I say it like this: "Your god, if he was real, is a dick."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    How do you call something that doesnt exist a derogatory name?

    Confused a little?


    Are you serious?  So from now on should I say it like this: "Your god, if he was real, is a dick."
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:17 PM ET #3112

    Quote Originally Posted by SurfApe:

    I'm 32, and my pendulum has swung from the agnosticism any sane, intelligent middle schooler feels, towards a harder, more entrenced atheism.  I attribute this to the accumulation of knowledege, and the lack of any huge personal tragedy and or substance problem during my immediate post adolescent years.  In my experience, the vast majority of true believers are either born, bread, brainwashed, or "come to god" early in their adulthood because of personal weakness/affliction, or tragic circumstances.  Most of the remainder are just terrified of their own mortality.  That said, dismissing a valid argument because of the age of its interlocutor is simply the most banal, base form of intellectual bigotry.

    LOLOLOL, did you know the majority of people who leave faith are in the first year following a tragedy to a loved one or close friend or a steep decline in the prosperity in there lives....

    And you say you are" intelligent minded"

    Clealry shows....

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    I'm 32, and my pendulum has swung from the agnosticism any sane, intelligent middle schooler feels, towards a harder, more entrenced atheism.  I attribute this to the accumulation of knowledege, and the lack of any huge personal tragedy and or substance problem during my immediate post adolescent years.  In my experience, the vast majority of true believers are either born, bread, brainwashed, or "come to god" early in their adulthood because of personal weakness/affliction, or tragic circumstances.  Most of the remainder are just terrified of their own mortality.  That said, dismissing a valid argument because of the age of its interlocutor is simply the most banal, base form of intellectual bigotry.

    LOLOLOL, did you know the majority of people who leave faith are in the first year following a tragedy to a loved one or close friend or a steep decline in the prosperity in there lives....

    And you say you are" intelligent minded"

    Clealry shows....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:17 PM ET #3113

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Belief in hevan is scary? Because i do my best to abide by the 10 commandments every day to get to heavan? real scary....

    The stupidity displayed by you is scary at times...


    It's sarcasm dude.  How clueless are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Belief in hevan is scary? Because i do my best to abide by the 10 commandments every day to get to heavan? real scary....

    The stupidity displayed by you is scary at times...


    It's sarcasm dude.  How clueless are you?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:18 PM ET #3114

    Rostos has been doing this from day 1. He disregards the point of an argument and attacks something completely irrelevant. 
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    Rostos has been doing this from day 1. He disregards the point of an argument and attacks something completely irrelevant. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:18 PM ET #3115

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Hey that is the price that needs to be paid off otherwise all souls will go to satin......Thats the deal....

    The world doesnt go according to you......

    Of course you wont see this because your heart is black and hardened...



    who is satin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Hey that is the price that needs to be paid off otherwise all souls will go to satin......Thats the deal....

    The world doesnt go according to you......

    Of course you wont see this because your heart is black and hardened...



    who is satin?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:19 PM ET #3116

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Hey that is the price that needs to be paid off otherwise all souls will go to satin......Thats the deal....

    i would hate for all "souls" to go to "satin"  Damn gays...

    The world doesnt go according to you......

    Of course you wont see this because your heart is black and hardened...

    My heart is just fine, my liver on the other hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Hey that is the price that needs to be paid off otherwise all souls will go to satin......Thats the deal....

    i would hate for all "souls" to go to "satin"  Damn gays...

    The world doesnt go according to you......

    Of course you wont see this because your heart is black and hardened...

    My heart is just fine, my liver on the other hand...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:20 PM ET #3117

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Are you serious?  So from now on should I say it like this: "Your god, if he was real, is a dick."

    I dont know about you, but i wouldnt go on a forum where the members believe in big foot and start calling big foot names...

    Calling something that you dont believe exists at all names is a sign of craziness......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Are you serious?  So from now on should I say it like this: "Your god, if he was real, is a dick."

    I dont know about you, but i wouldnt go on a forum where the members believe in big foot and start calling big foot names...

    Calling something that you dont believe exists at all names is a sign of craziness......

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:21 PM ET #3118

    All the theist can do is make unsubstantiated claims because their fundamental beliefs rest on faith. So they have lost the battle before it started. Everything the atheist says is founded upon fact and that which is not, is clearly stated as opinion. There are no unsubstantiated claims.
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    All the theist can do is make unsubstantiated claims because their fundamental beliefs rest on faith. So they have lost the battle before it started. Everything the atheist says is founded upon fact and that which is not, is clearly stated as opinion. There are no unsubstantiated claims.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:21 PM ET #3119

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Belief in hevan is scary? Because i do my best to abide by the 10 commandments every day to get to heavan? real scary....

    The stupidity displayed by you is scary at times...


    At least I know you agree that belief in heaven isn't scary so now smooth can stop calling us cowards...
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    Belief in hevan is scary? Because i do my best to abide by the 10 commandments every day to get to heavan? real scary....

    The stupidity displayed by you is scary at times...


    At least I know you agree that belief in heaven isn't scary so now smooth can stop calling us cowards...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:22 PM ET #3120

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I dont know about you, but i wouldnt go on a forum where the members believe in big foot and start calling big foot names...

    Calling something that you dont believe exists at all names is a sign of craziness......


    If you went to a big foot forum and said "If bigfoot exists, he's probably x and y" then that would be perfectly reasonable. What is the problem with that?

    According to Rostos, speculation is not allowed...yet his entire beliefs are FOUNDED ON SPECULATION 
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    I dont know about you, but i wouldnt go on a forum where the members believe in big foot and start calling big foot names...

    Calling something that you dont believe exists at all names is a sign of craziness......


    If you went to a big foot forum and said "If bigfoot exists, he's probably x and y" then that would be perfectly reasonable. What is the problem with that?

    According to Rostos, speculation is not allowed...yet his entire beliefs are FOUNDED ON SPECULATION 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    The point of religion is it is based on faith.  There is no evidence...

    And belief in aliens is all empirically based ?

    different rules for different reasons...

    Oh, wait, you say you can use deductive reaosning to believe aliens exist even though you have no proof they exist, but you can use deductive reasoning, ok fair enough....

    But we cant use deductive reasoining for God, ie, origins of the universe, fine tuning, hostoricity of Christ, objective moral duties, you cant use those, , for God it has to be emprical evidence...

    I would hate  to see you be a judge in a court...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    The point of religion is it is based on faith.  There is no evidence...

    And belief in aliens is all empirically based ?

    different rules for different reasons...

    Oh, wait, you say you can use deductive reaosning to believe aliens exist even though you have no proof they exist, but you can use deductive reasoning, ok fair enough....

    But we cant use deductive reasoining for God, ie, origins of the universe, fine tuning, hostoricity of Christ, objective moral duties, you cant use those, , for God it has to be emprical evidence...

    I would hate  to see you be a judge in a court...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:25 PM ET #3122

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I dont know about you, but i wouldnt go on a forum where the members believe in big foot and start calling big foot names...

    Calling something that you dont believe exists at all names is a sign of craziness......


    You're lost man.  I'm attacking your interpretation of god.  The way you guys describe god makes him sound like a dick...  Understand yet?  Probably not...
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    I dont know about you, but i wouldnt go on a forum where the members believe in big foot and start calling big foot names...

    Calling something that you dont believe exists at all names is a sign of craziness......


    You're lost man.  I'm attacking your interpretation of god.  The way you guys describe god makes him sound like a dick...  Understand yet?  Probably not...
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Rostos]

    LOLOLOL, did you know the majority of people who leave faith are in the first year following a tragedy to a loved one or close friend or a steep decline in the prosperity in there lives....

    And you say you are" intelligent minded"

    Clealry shows....

    [/Quote

    LOLOLOLOLLLlllllLLl (inssert teenage girl internet jargon)  You don't realize that your statement in no way contradicts mine, even if it is true?  That a disruptive event in someones life is more prone to cause change than the perpetuation of the status quo?

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    LOLOLOL, did you know the majority of people who leave faith are in the first year following a tragedy to a loved one or close friend or a steep decline in the prosperity in there lives....

    And you say you are" intelligent minded"

    Clealry shows....

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    LOLOLOLOLLLlllllLLl (inssert teenage girl internet jargon)  You don't realize that your statement in no way contradicts mine, even if it is true?  That a disruptive event in someones life is more prone to cause change than the perpetuation of the status quo?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    If you went to a big foot forum and said "If bigfoot exists, he's probably x and y" then that would be perfectly reasonable. What is the problem with that?

    According to Rostos, speculation is not allowed...yet his entire beliefs are FOUNDED ON SPECULATION 

    For starters, i wouldnt go to a big foot forum, i dont believe he exists, so i wouldnt bother going to that site, let alone be there months later arguing with them......

    Yet you and your friends are still here...Wonder why...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    If you went to a big foot forum and said "If bigfoot exists, he's probably x and y" then that would be perfectly reasonable. What is the problem with that?

    According to Rostos, speculation is not allowed...yet his entire beliefs are FOUNDED ON SPECULATION 

    For starters, i wouldnt go to a big foot forum, i dont believe he exists, so i wouldnt bother going to that site, let alone be there months later arguing with them......

    Yet you and your friends are still here...Wonder why...

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2011 - 6:27 PM ET #3125

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    And belief in aliens is all empirically based ?

    different rules for different reasons...

    Oh, wait, you say you can use deductive reaosning to believe aliens exist even though you have no proof they exist, but you can use deductive reasoning, ok fair enough....

    But we cant use deductive reasoining for God, ie, origins of the universe, fine tuning, hostoricity of Christ, objective moral duties, you cant use those, , for God it has to be emprical evidence...

    I would hate  to see you be a judge in a court...


    We have been through this. We can CALCULATE THE PROBABILITY that aliens exist based on NUMBERS. We CANNOT calculate the probability that god exists because we have NO NUMBERS to use.

    Understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    And belief in aliens is all empirically based ?

    different rules for different reasons...

    Oh, wait, you say you can use deductive reaosning to believe aliens exist even though you have no proof they exist, but you can use deductive reasoning, ok fair enough....

    But we cant use deductive reasoining for God, ie, origins of the universe, fine tuning, hostoricity of Christ, objective moral duties, you cant use those, , for God it has to be emprical evidence...

    I would hate  to see you be a judge in a court...


    We have been through this. We can CALCULATE THE PROBABILITY that aliens exist based on NUMBERS. We CANNOT calculate the probability that god exists because we have NO NUMBERS to use.

    Understand?
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