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Quote Originally Posted by AustinHoopDream:


sounds like you know the rules...maybe you can teach SJD!


it's too bad his mom didn't know the rules
 
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Hey Austin, do not have intercourse with your mother because it is wrong and it is sinful.

 
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it's too bad his mom didn't know the rules

 
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Hey Austin, do not have intercourse with your mother because it is wrong and it is sinful.


common sense in my neck of the woods, but if your people need a book to tell you that, WOW!
 
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So Austin are you still going to hit 17 of 18?...lol

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

So Austin are you still going to hit 17 of 18?...lol


well i was adopted so i do not really know who my mother is, so i will stick it in your person of a mom's meat curtains and assume i can check the mother box. sound good? 
 
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If genetics was the reason and only reason they killed a family member I would still blame them, but I would have to understand it wasn't under their control and they would be put in a mental institution because they are a threat to society...

Sorry, but if a person is homosexual they're homosexual there is nothing they can do about it. Nothing they do affects me or society. It just makes people like you feel uncomfortable.  

Right, so you are going to cut some slack for person sexuals because they were born like that but not for people that get urges to murder.

What if the hijackers fromt sep 11 had a chemical imbalance in their brains. Would you still not blame them for what they did?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Great point Rostos!

That's the point I was making a few days ago when I was debating with smartapple. He also believes gays are born to be gay and to them it is the right way, and so I said to him that if serial killers claim to be born to be serial killers then it is the right way to them too and we should just let it be...but of course he did not have a reply for that. Sounds like a double standard here eh?

Bottom line as we know Rostos, gays and serial killers choose to be that way and they weren't born to be what they are and lastly both are wrong and both are sinful and can't be excused by unsubstantiated arguments that they were born that way.

Even if they were, it doesnt make it right to commit it.

There seems to be double standards here that it is ok to be person sexual because you were born that but it is not ok to be a serial killer even though you were born that way.

However, it is not ok to be a serial killer because you are harming someone else but it is ok to be gay even though you are harming God.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

It is a scientifically proven fact that homosexuality is not a choice. If you think that one day, a guy is like "hmm...I think i like penis." then you're delusional and certifiably insane. I have nothing against gays (and btw this specific issue has nothing to do with god so lets not let it go there) but i completely understand their situation. There are millions of gays who tried to be straight and failed because they just can't. Comparing a gay to a serial killer is unfair because homosexuality is not inherently wrong. No one is getting killed because you like penis in your ass. Serial killers are killing people. Your example fails fundamentally as does your point.

Who said anything about being against homosexuals as people? They may be better people than you and i. I aint here to judge.

If person sexuals and serial killers are born that way, then , dont blame BOTH for what they do......

What if the Sep 11 killers had a chemical imbalance in there brain that they were born with. Therefore, dont blame them for what they did. They have NO choice just like the person sexual.

If you had any consistency to your logic, you would agree with that.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by archdriver:

My own take on this is that we, as  humans ,  are incapable of defining    who, what, where, when, how God.  To me, it  seems  that whenever we  try  to describe God,  we  are  simply trying  to put God in our  pocket,  we  are  trying to place ourselves on god's  level if  we  are  able  to  define God.   Too many times, mankind has  done unspeakable atrocities to  each  other, often  in the name of  God.  

everybody should  chill and and  enjoy the  one  gift that we  do  have and  that is life.   why would  anybody expect/ want something better than life.  Should  God decide I  am worthy of everlasting lafe, i  will  be sending out high  fives to evryone.   until  then, however, I am in his  grace and  will appreciate  every  breath i  take.

 

Well said

 
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Quote Originally Posted by AustinHoopDream:


i follow jesus on twitter and he said it DEFINITELY was not worth it. he said he did it when he was young drunk and coked out of his mind, and after nearly 2000 years of kicking it heaven style he said he should have just let human beings SUCK IT, especially the rostros and sjd dudes....! 

Attacking people again personally, geez, you must have some serious hatred in your life..

Didnt get what you want?

 
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Christopher Hitchens blows away anyone who attempts to take him on with this very debate.

Look him up...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by AustinHoopDream:


common sense in my neck of the woods, but if your people need a book to tell you that, WOW!

If it is so common sense then why are people like you defending homosexuals in that they can't help what they do because they were born that way, when it should be that common sense tells you that it is wrong to live a homosexual lifestyle?

Well, that's why we have the bible, because some people don't have any common sense and they need to be told in writing that certain things you shouldn't do because it is wrong and sinful!

 
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Quote Originally Posted by NASCAR-Sucks:

Christopher Hitchens blows away anyone who attempts to take him on with this very debate.

Look him up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KBx4vvlbZ8

Hitchens

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Right, so you are going to cut some slack for person sexuals because they were born like that but not for people that get urges to murder.

What if the hijackers fromt sep 11 had a chemical imbalance in their brains. Would you still not blame them for what they did?


yes, I would take chemical imbalances into consideration. But, that would be hard to believe with hijackers because that would mean that they all had the same chemical imbalance at the same time keep trying though what exactly would I be blaming homosexuals for
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Even if they were, it doesnt make it right to commit it.

There seems to be double standards here that it is ok to be person sexual because you were born that but it is not ok to be a serial killer even though you were born that way.

However, it is not ok to be a serial killer because you are harming someone else but it is ok to be gay even though you are harming God.


harming god how is this harming your so called godpoor god 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

If it is so common sense then why are people like you defending homosexuals in that they can't help what they do because they were born that way, when it should be that common sense tells you that it is wrong to live a homosexual lifestyle?

Well, that's why we have the bible, because some people don't have any common sense and they need to be told in writing that certain things you shouldn't do because it is wrong and sinful!

like rape, slavery, murder, and genocide????

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


yes, I would take chemical imbalances into consideration. But, that would be hard to believe with hijackers because that would mean that they all had the same chemical imbalance at the same time keep trying though what exactly would I be blaming homosexuals for

Argh, so now you are picking and choosing when it is appropriate....

If they were born with it, they were born with it and dont blame them for what they are doing.

Remember, if those hijackers had a chamical imbalance causing them to do what they did, it is NOT their fault for killing thousands and thousand. Its just not their fault. They were born with it..

 

 
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Wether you are born with it or NOT, it doesnt mean if you commit the act it is right, murdering is a sin and so is homosexuality.

End of story. Everyone has a choice to do an act and everyone can refrain from what they are doing.

It is no excuse.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Argh, so now you are picking and choosing when it is appropriate....

If they were born with it, they were born with it and dont blame them for what they are doing.

Remember, if those hijackers had a chamical imbalance causing them to do what they did, it is NOT their fault for killing thousands and thousand. Its just not their fault. They were born with it..

 


No I'm not picking and choosing when it's appropriate. I said I would have to take that into consideration. Please stop trying to change around what I am saying for your own benefit like you always do. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Wether you are born with it or NOT, it doesnt mean if you commit the act it is right, murdering is a sin and so is homosexuality.

Says you...

End of story. Everyone has a choice to do an act and everyone can refrain from what they are doing.

It is no excuse.

It is not an excuse, it is a reality...

Now, end of story.



 
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That is why this world is so messed up.

Individuals deciding what is right or wrong.

Indiividuals deviating away from Gods holiness.

Individuals using "born with it" as an excuse for there sinful desires.

You can say what you want, but when we ALL pass, you aint making up excuses when we meet the almighty.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

That is why this world is so messed up.

Individuals deciding what is right or wrong.

Indiividuals deviating away from Gods holiness.

Individuals using "born with it" as an excuse for there sinful desires.

You can say what you want, but when we ALL pass, you aint making up excuses when we meet the almighty.


There are many reasons why this world is messed up, and religion is on top of the list.

Yes, I can say what I want, and when I die, that will be it.
 
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The stupidity is astounding. There is a MONUMENTAL difference between homosexuals and serial killers even though both may have chemical imbalances or what have you. Let's say both can't control themselves. Here is why you punish serial killers and not homosexuals. HOMOSEXUALS AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG. SERIAL KILLERS ARE. I feel like those 2 statements are indisputable given the society we live in.

Ask yourselves this: Is there potential harm to me or society in general if Big Al likes to fuck Big Sal?

Is there potential harm to me 
 
 
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The stupidity is astounding. There is a MONUMENTAL difference between homosexuals and serial killers even though both may have chemical imbalances or what have you. Let's say both can't control themselves. Here is why you punish serial killers and not homosexuals. HOMOSEXUALS AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG. SERIAL KILLERS ARE. I feel like those 2 statements are indisputable given the society we live in.

Ask yourselves this: Is there potential harm to me or society in general if Big Al likes to fuck Big Sal?

Is there potential harm to me or society if Big Al likes to kill a bunch of people?

That is why we blame serial killers and not homosexuals. Just because something is not your own personal choice, doesn't mean you can't be held accountable for it-we agree on that. The bottom line is if that thing that you cannot control is greatly detrimental to society, then we as a society need to deter people from doing it. Why should we deter homosexuals from being gay? As long they're far away from my ass (pun intended) who are they bothering?
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