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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Oct. 5, 2011 - 8:54 PM ET #426

Sorry for the double post, I accidentally hit submit midway through typing

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SYSTEM

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Posted: Oct. 5, 2011 - 9:07 PM ET #427

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

The stupidity is astounding. There is a MONUMENTAL difference between homosexuals and serial killers even though both may have chemical imbalances or what have you. Let's say both can't control themselves. Here is why you punish serial killers and not homosexuals. HOMOSEXUALS AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG. SERIAL KILLERS ARE. I feel like those 2 statements are indisputable given the society we live in.

Ask yourselves this: Is there potential harm to me or society in general if Big Al likes to fuck Big Sal?

Is there potential harm to me or society if Big Al likes to kill a bunch of people?

That is why we blame serial killers and not homosexuals. Just because something is not your own personal choice, doesn't mean you can't be held accountable for it-we agree on that. The bottom line is if that thing that you cannot control is greatly detrimental to society, then we as a society need to deter people from doing it. Why should we deter homosexuals from being gay? As long they're far away from my ass (pun intended) who are they bothering?

because their god supposedly "said" it was a sin, so there's no thinking after that...

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Posted: Oct. 5, 2011 - 9:36 PM ET #428

Quote Originally Posted by RJSmith:

I won't call myself anything on this matter.
I have read about the different religions though.

On Christianity I find it mind-boggling that socalled Christians condemn other people - e.g. in this thread gays.
If Jesus was as portrayed in the bible he surrounded himself with the outcasts/outsiders of society - e.g. person.
If he was alive today I am sure he'd do the same and he'd definitely not surrounde himself with the hypocrites on the religious right.

I would have to agree with you and your knowledge of the Bible is quite extensive.

So what do we learn from the fact that Jesus surrounded himself with: not the cream of society, like Sir John Drake, but rather the dregs of society like...most of us sinners?

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Posted: Oct. 5, 2011 - 9:40 PM ET #429

It appears though, that even the "non-Christians" are condemning people because we're flawed and not "Christ-like" enough for your standards.

All I know is that there was only one perfect person to walk this earth, and it wasn't me, not by a long shot.

What I don't understand is, why do you call me a sinner because I gamble? If you don't believe the Bible, then the word "Sin" shouldn't be in your vocabulary. Should it?

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Posted: Oct. 5, 2011 - 11:10 PM ET #430

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

The stupidity is astounding. Here is why you punish serial killers and not homosexuals. HOMOSEXUALS AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG. SERIAL KILLERS ARE. I feel like those 2 statements are indisputable given the society we live in.

We are not saying that society should punish homosexuals, where have we been saying that? I surely haven't been saying that. You talk about the stupidity is astounding...well yeah in your case it is...lol

What we have been saying is that practicing homosexuality is a sin, in Leviticus 18:22 God said, "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."

We also have been saying that homosexuals chose to live that sinful lifestyle and they weren't born that way or created to be homosexuals.

Nothing at all was said that our society today should punish them. But of course if law enforcement catches serial killers they should indeed be punished by society.

So Kittykat before you make any statements, understand what the arguments are before you open that yap of yours...Akay?...lol

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 5:07 AM ET #431

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

There are many reasons why this world is messed up, and religion is on top of the list.

Yes, I can say what I want, and when I die, that will be it.

Thats right, people who want to fulfill there evil desires for money, land, revenge by blowing up buildings, blowing up planes, blowing up humans and then hiding behind a religion which never teaches such a thing.

If you cant see that then you really are stupid.

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 11:58 AM ET #432

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Thats right, people who want to fulfill there evil desires for money, land, revenge by blowing up buildings, blowing up planes, blowing up humans and then hiding behind a religion which never teaches such a thing.

If you cant see that then you really are stupid.

And if you can't see that that's not the only religion that does evil things in the name of religion then you really are that stupid...

westboro baptist church

we would be better off without religion

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AustinHoopDream

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 12:05 PM ET #433

Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

What we have been saying is that practicing homosexuality is a sin, in Leviticus 18:22 God said, "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."

so if you save the pooper for your gay lover and do not practice anal with your wife it is ok?

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 12:07 PM ET #434

Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

We are not saying that society should punish homosexuals, where have we been saying that? I surely haven't been saying that. You talk about the stupidity is astounding...well yeah in your case it is...lol

What we have been saying is that practicing homosexuality is a sin, in Leviticus 18:22 God said, "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."

We also have been saying that homosexuals chose to live that sinful lifestyle and they weren't born that way or created to be homosexuals.

Nothing at all was said that our society today should punish them. But of course if law enforcement catches serial killers they should indeed be punished by society.

So Kittykat before you make any statements, understand what the arguments are before you open that yap of yours...Akay?...lol

Leviticus 20:13

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both.

This is what your precious bible says to do...

I wonder what SJD and rostos would do if their child was homosexual...

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 12:13 PM ET #435

Here's a good one.

1 Samuel

Saul sets an example for Christian parents that discover that they have a homosexual child: try to kill the child and his or her lover. 20:31-33

Is this what you would do sdj and rostos?

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 1:33 PM ET #436

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

Here's a good one.

1 Samuel

Saul sets an example for Christian parents that discover that they have a homosexual child: try to kill the child and his or her lover. 20:31-33

Is this what you would do sdj and rostos?

Your limited Biblical knowledge is showing through here.

Saul was not a "Christian" as Christ hadn't been born at this point in time.

You would have to fast forward about 600 years to get to Christ.

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 1:39 PM ET #437

...and for the record...I am a Christian. I don't think we should kill ANYONE.

Jesus says to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. That's what I believe, as a CHRISTian.

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 2:27 PM ET #438

I don't care if it's a sin or not, that's not my issue. If you wanna say it's a sin because a book told you it is, fine by me. My problem is that you think they choose to do it. It can still be a sin by your definitions the same way murder is a sin, but that doesn't mean it isn't natural and beyond a homosexual's control.

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 2:38 PM ET #439

QUOTE Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

The stupidity is astounding. Here is why you punish serial killers and not homosexuals. HOMOSEXUALS AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG. SERIAL KILLERS ARE. I feel like those 2 statements are indisputable given the society we live in.

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Also to continue where I left off, I know a lot of people misinterpret the bible, especially those who are atheists and never had any kind of bible study classes and so when they read something right off the bat they misinterpret what they are reading.

For example in Leviticus 20:13, God said, "If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with a man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense."

The above passage in the bible is not telling you or anyone else to kill gays today but rather during the time of Moses in the Old Testament there were punishments for disobedience.

The Lord spoke directly to Moses and said, "Give the people of Israel these instructions, which apply both to native Israelites and to the foreigners living in Israel. ---Leviticus 20:2

So those punishments applied to native Israelites and foreigners living in Israel during those times of Moses.

So those instructions are not for us today to carryout. Anybody who carries it out today will be committing a capital offense, which in some states leads to the death penalty.

So again I have never said that people who practice homosexuality should be punish by our society today. Come Judgment Day God will do the rewarding or punishing of people who deserves them.

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sims_key

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 4:46 PM ET #440

all participating in this conversation should not feel proud.

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SirJohnDrake

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 4:59 PM ET #441

Quote Originally Posted by sims_key:

all participating in this conversation should not feel proud.

Oh look who appeared...the covers dialogue policemen...lol

Tell us are you proud of being the covers dialogue policeman?...lol

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SYSTEM

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Posted: Oct. 6, 2011 - 5:00 PM ET #442