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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2011 - 7:21 PM ET #1651

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:

    I don't agree with SJD or Rostos in their religious beliefs.  I have my own.  But I give both of them credit for coming into this thread and sharing their beliefs. I can fully respect that. 

    So if you don't mind me asking, what is your beliefs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:

    I don't agree with SJD or Rostos in their religious beliefs.  I have my own.  But I give both of them credit for coming into this thread and sharing their beliefs. I can fully respect that. 

    So if you don't mind me asking, what is your beliefs?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2011 - 7:37 PM ET #1652

    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:

    I still wonder what there was before God came into existence? And if there was nothing before God, how did Gods existence occur? What triggered the existance of God? There had to be a beginning, what was it that caused the universe to blink into existence? Could it be a memeber of the Q continuum was bored one day and the Milky Way Galaxy was the result?

    The real question is how old is matter?

    God is eternal, He has no beginning or no end. He was uncaused and everything that came into existence was caused by Him.

    I know a lot of people have a hard time understanging this because at first glance it defies all logic but I believe if you really do some research and really do some heavy thinking about this, you will begin to accept this explanation eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:

    I still wonder what there was before God came into existence? And if there was nothing before God, how did Gods existence occur? What triggered the existance of God? There had to be a beginning, what was it that caused the universe to blink into existence? Could it be a memeber of the Q continuum was bored one day and the Milky Way Galaxy was the result?

    The real question is how old is matter?

    God is eternal, He has no beginning or no end. He was uncaused and everything that came into existence was caused by Him.

    I know a lot of people have a hard time understanging this because at first glance it defies all logic but I believe if you really do some research and really do some heavy thinking about this, you will begin to accept this explanation eventually.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2011 - 7:40 PM ET #1653

    Correction: I know a lot of people have a hard time understanding this....

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    Correction: I know a lot of people have a hard time understanding this....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2011 - 8:46 PM ET #1654

    I want to explain briefly why evil must exist in this world because one of the reasons why people hold back into believing in the existence of God is because of the evil that goes on. To do this I want to use Albert Einstein who was known to be a non-believer in God to convey my point.

    Albert Einstein was a German-born theoretical physicist who developed the theory of general relativity, effecting a revolution in physics. For this achievement, Einstein is often regarded as the father of modern physics and one of the most prolific intellects in human history.

    So, what was the reason Albert Einstein rejected the existence of a personal God? Einstein recognized the remarkable design and order of the cosmos, but could not reconcile those characteristics with the evil and suffering he found in human existence. How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?

    Einstein's error ( like most other non-believers)

    Einstein's failure to understand the motives of God are the result of his incorrect assumption that God intended this universe as His ultimate perfect creation. Einstein could not get past the moral problems that are present in our universe.

    He assumed, as most atheists do, that a personal God would only create a universe which is both good morally and perfect physically. However, according to Christianity, the purpose of the universe is not to be morally or physically perfect, but to provide a place where spiritual creatures can choose to love or reject God - to live with Him forever in a new, perfect universe, or reject Him and live apart from Him for all eternity.

    It would not be possible to make this choice in a universe in which all moral choices are restricted to only good ones. Einstein didn't seem to understand that one could not choose between good and bad if bad did not exist. It's amazing that such a brilliant man could not understand such a simple logical principle.

    Conclusion

    No, Albert Einstein was not a Christian or even a theist (one who believes in a personal God), probably because he failed to understand why evil existed. These days, those who fail to understand the purpose of evil not only reject the concept of a personal God, but also reject the concept of God's existence altogether.

    If you are an agnostic or atheist, my goal for you would be to recognize what Albert Einstein understood about the universe - that its amazing design demands the existence of a creator God. Then, go beyond Einstein's faulty understanding of the purpose of the universe and consider the Christian explanation for the purpose of human life and why evil must exist in this world.

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    I want to explain briefly why evil must exist in this world because one of the reasons why people hold back into believing in the existence of God is because of the evil that goes on. To do this I want to use Albert Einstein who was known to be a non-believer in God to convey my point.

    Albert Einstein was a German-born theoretical physicist who developed the theory of general relativity, effecting a revolution in physics. For this achievement, Einstein is often regarded as the father of modern physics and one of the most prolific intellects in human history.

    So, what was the reason Albert Einstein rejected the existence of a personal God? Einstein recognized the remarkable design and order of the cosmos, but could not reconcile those characteristics with the evil and suffering he found in human existence. How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?

    Einstein's error ( like most other non-believers)

    Einstein's failure to understand the motives of God are the result of his incorrect assumption that God intended this universe as His ultimate perfect creation. Einstein could not get past the moral problems that are present in our universe.

    He assumed, as most atheists do, that a personal God would only create a universe which is both good morally and perfect physically. However, according to Christianity, the purpose of the universe is not to be morally or physically perfect, but to provide a place where spiritual creatures can choose to love or reject God - to live with Him forever in a new, perfect universe, or reject Him and live apart from Him for all eternity.

    It would not be possible to make this choice in a universe in which all moral choices are restricted to only good ones. Einstein didn't seem to understand that one could not choose between good and bad if bad did not exist. It's amazing that such a brilliant man could not understand such a simple logical principle.

    Conclusion

    No, Albert Einstein was not a Christian or even a theist (one who believes in a personal God), probably because he failed to understand why evil existed. These days, those who fail to understand the purpose of evil not only reject the concept of a personal God, but also reject the concept of God's existence altogether.

    If you are an agnostic or atheist, my goal for you would be to recognize what Albert Einstein understood about the universe - that its amazing design demands the existence of a creator God. Then, go beyond Einstein's faulty understanding of the purpose of the universe and consider the Christian explanation for the purpose of human life and why evil must exist in this world.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2011 - 8:46 PM ET #1655

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    Here is Rostos post 1605 he keeps refering to, as if there is something important here.
    Here we have unfounded assertions, and false equivalency.
    Notice the either or proposition. It can only be a spaceless, timeless, immaterial mind, or it can be only existence out of nothing.  Ahhh, no, it could be a multiple of things. The field of science attempts to narrow the answer down through empircile method. The same process which created the computer you are typing on you total fucktard. Or did you just pray for it into existance. So is this your working definition of god, that she is a spaceless, timeless, imaterial mind?

    Once again dipshit, current gaps in human knowledge does not prove god exists.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q8OYiUSk6o

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    Here is Rostos post 1605 he keeps refering to, as if there is something important here.
    Here we have unfounded assertions, and false equivalency.
    Notice the either or proposition. It can only be a spaceless, timeless, immaterial mind, or it can be only existence out of nothing.  Ahhh, no, it could be a multiple of things. The field of science attempts to narrow the answer down through empircile method. The same process which created the computer you are typing on you total fucktard. Or did you just pray for it into existance. So is this your working definition of god, that she is a spaceless, timeless, imaterial mind?

    Once again dipshit, current gaps in human knowledge does not prove god exists.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q8OYiUSk6o

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2011 - 8:57 PM ET #1656

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    Here is Rostos post 1605 he keeps refering to, as if there is something important here.
    Here we have unfounded assertions, and false equivalency.
    Notice the either or proposition. It can only be a spaceless, timeless, immaterial mind, or it can be only existence out of nothing.  Ahhh, no, it could be a multiple of things. The field of science attempts to narrow the answer down through empircile method. The same process which created the computer you are typing on you total fucktard. Or did you just pray for it into existance. So is this your working definition of god, that she is a spaceless, timeless, imaterial mind?

    Once again dipshit, current gaps in human knowledge does not prove god exists.

    The UNIVERSE BEGAN TO EXIST.

    Do you know what this means? I seriously dont think you undertsand, i really dont.

    ALL MATTER, TIME, SPACE AND ENERGY BEGAN TO EXIST.

    What caused the universe to exist?

    Matter?

    Energy?

    Space?

    Time? 

    ALL THESE BEGAN TO EXIST.

    This does not in isolation prove the Christian God, but it renders ATHEISM FALSE. The atheist ONLY believes in the natural universe, NOTHING OUTSIDE IT.

    "The universe created itself out of nothing" Stepehn Hawking

    Stephen hawking

    "It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."

    Alexander Vilenkin

     Professor of Physics and Director of the Institute of Cosmology at Tufts University.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    Here is Rostos post 1605 he keeps refering to, as if there is something important here.
    Here we have unfounded assertions, and false equivalency.
    Notice the either or proposition. It can only be a spaceless, timeless, immaterial mind, or it can be only existence out of nothing.  Ahhh, no, it could be a multiple of things. The field of science attempts to narrow the answer down through empircile method. The same process which created the computer you are typing on you total fucktard. Or did you just pray for it into existance. So is this your working definition of god, that she is a spaceless, timeless, imaterial mind?

    Once again dipshit, current gaps in human knowledge does not prove god exists.

    The UNIVERSE BEGAN TO EXIST.

    Do you know what this means? I seriously dont think you undertsand, i really dont.

    ALL MATTER, TIME, SPACE AND ENERGY BEGAN TO EXIST.

    What caused the universe to exist?

    Matter?

    Energy?

    Space?

    Time? 

    ALL THESE BEGAN TO EXIST.

    This does not in isolation prove the Christian God, but it renders ATHEISM FALSE. The atheist ONLY believes in the natural universe, NOTHING OUTSIDE IT.

    "The universe created itself out of nothing" Stepehn Hawking

    Stephen hawking

    "It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."

    Alexander Vilenkin

     Professor of Physics and Director of the Institute of Cosmology at Tufts University.



     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2011 - 9:03 PM ET #1657

    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:

    I still wonder what there was before God came into existence? And if there was nothing before God, how did Gods existence occur? What triggered the existance of God? There had to be a beginning, what was it that caused the universe to blink into existence? Could it be a memeber of the Q continuum was bored one day and the Milky Way Galaxy was the result?

    The real question is how old is matter?

    Matter is PART of the universe. It began to exist when the universe began to exist.

    Atheists believed for a long time that the universe was eternal, ie, ALWAYS existed, to avoid a theological conclusion that the universe needed a cause to exist.

    The second law of thermodynamics shows that the universe is not eternal, if it was, the universe would have died a slow heat death a long long time ago.

    Furtherore, the first law of thermodynamics shows that energy cannot be created, ie, the universe cannot create energy, just tranform it. This further illustrates that the case for acause OUTSIDE the universe to cause the universe.

    Secondly, it is illogical mathematically that the universe has an infinte regress...

    What astounds me on this site, alot of atheists are not aware that alot of the scientific and mathematical data renders atheism false. Maybe that is the reason why alot of the atheists beliefs here are mostly based on emotion, dodging, ducking and weaving.

    They arent even aware of the implications of there belief...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:

    I still wonder what there was before God came into existence? And if there was nothing before God, how did Gods existence occur? What triggered the existance of God? There had to be a beginning, what was it that caused the universe to blink into existence? Could it be a memeber of the Q continuum was bored one day and the Milky Way Galaxy was the result?

    The real question is how old is matter?

    Matter is PART of the universe. It began to exist when the universe began to exist.

    Atheists believed for a long time that the universe was eternal, ie, ALWAYS existed, to avoid a theological conclusion that the universe needed a cause to exist.

    The second law of thermodynamics shows that the universe is not eternal, if it was, the universe would have died a slow heat death a long long time ago.

    Furtherore, the first law of thermodynamics shows that energy cannot be created, ie, the universe cannot create energy, just tranform it. This further illustrates that the case for acause OUTSIDE the universe to cause the universe.

    Secondly, it is illogical mathematically that the universe has an infinte regress...

    What astounds me on this site, alot of atheists are not aware that alot of the scientific and mathematical data renders atheism false. Maybe that is the reason why alot of the atheists beliefs here are mostly based on emotion, dodging, ducking and weaving.

    They arent even aware of the implications of there belief...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2011 - 9:05 PM ET #1658

    Quote Originally Posted by AustinHoopDream:

    i bet in real life rostos is one annoying jagoff...one of those last word freaks who never shuts the fuck up and always thinks he is right...he accomplishes nothing except the endless flapping of his womanly lips....give it a rest already....

    And there we go, making personal insults again, not surprising by someone who probably has a miserable life themselves, otherwise there would be no need to make personal insults....

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinHoopDream:

    i bet in real life rostos is one annoying jagoff...one of those last word freaks who never shuts the fuck up and always thinks he is right...he accomplishes nothing except the endless flapping of his womanly lips....give it a rest already....

    And there we go, making personal insults again, not surprising by someone who probably has a miserable life themselves, otherwise there would be no need to make personal insults....

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2011 - 9:08 PM ET #1659

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    What does that post have to do with testing this??  That's not an answer at all...  Id like to know how Harry Potter is testable...

    Well, for starters, we could ASK THE author of the book if Harry Potter is real.

    We dont even have to go that far, the author has already claimed it is fiction.,

    They are just 2....Cmon man, this is ridicolous. You are better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    What does that post have to do with testing this??  That's not an answer at all...  Id like to know how Harry Potter is testable...

    Well, for starters, we could ASK THE author of the book if Harry Potter is real.

    We dont even have to go that far, the author has already claimed it is fiction.,

    They are just 2....Cmon man, this is ridicolous. You are better than that.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2011 - 9:17 PM ET #1660

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    The UNIVERSE BEGAN TO EXIST.

    Do you know what this means? I seriously dont think you undertsand, i really dont.

    ALL MATTER, TIME, SPACE AND ENERGY BEGAN TO EXIST.

    What caused the universe to exist?

    Matter?

    Energy?

    Space?

    Time? 

    ALL THESE BEGAN TO EXIST.

    This does not in isolation prove the Christian God, but it renders ATHEISM FALSE. The atheist ONLY believes in the natural universe, NOTHING OUTSIDE IT.

    "The universe created itself out of nothing" Stepehn Hawking

    Stephen hawking

    "It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."

    Alexander Vilenkin

     Professor of Physics and Director of the Institute of Cosmology at Tufts University.





    Youre really laughing at Stephen Hawking?  He's one of the greatest minds of our time...
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    The UNIVERSE BEGAN TO EXIST.

    Do you know what this means? I seriously dont think you undertsand, i really dont.

    ALL MATTER, TIME, SPACE AND ENERGY BEGAN TO EXIST.

    What caused the universe to exist?

    Matter?

    Energy?

    Space?

    Time? 

    ALL THESE BEGAN TO EXIST.

    This does not in isolation prove the Christian God, but it renders ATHEISM FALSE. The atheist ONLY believes in the natural universe, NOTHING OUTSIDE IT.

    "The universe created itself out of nothing" Stepehn Hawking

    Stephen hawking

    "It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."

    Alexander Vilenkin

     Professor of Physics and Director of the Institute of Cosmology at Tufts University.





    Youre really laughing at Stephen Hawking?  He's one of the greatest minds of our time...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Well, for starters, we could ASK THE author of the book if Harry Potter is real.

    We dont even have to go that far, the author has already claimed it is fiction.,

    They are just 2....Cmon man, this is ridicolous. You are better than that.


    No, you're just taking it too literally...  What if i write a book about a guy who performs miracles and i say its factual because the Holy Spirit came to me and had me write it...  Theres as much evidence that the guy in my book exists as there is of your god...  Test that...
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    Well, for starters, we could ASK THE author of the book if Harry Potter is real.

    We dont even have to go that far, the author has already claimed it is fiction.,

    They are just 2....Cmon man, this is ridicolous. You are better than that.


    No, you're just taking it too literally...  What if i write a book about a guy who performs miracles and i say its factual because the Holy Spirit came to me and had me write it...  Theres as much evidence that the guy in my book exists as there is of your god...  Test that...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Youre really laughing at Stephen Hawking?  He's one of the greatest minds of our time...

    And this shows he along with Dawkins and Sam Harris have you all trapped.

    Yes, he is a brilliant scientist, absolutely no doubt.

    Just like what you said, however he is just that, a scientist. In pholosophy, he is like everyone else.

    Just like Dawkins, they are great scientists but really really poor philosophers....

    What would happen if Kobe Bryant started to play baseball? Because he is a great basketballer, does that AUTOMATICALLY mena he is a great baseballer?

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    Youre really laughing at Stephen Hawking?  He's one of the greatest minds of our time...

    And this shows he along with Dawkins and Sam Harris have you all trapped.

    Yes, he is a brilliant scientist, absolutely no doubt.

    Just like what you said, however he is just that, a scientist. In pholosophy, he is like everyone else.

    Just like Dawkins, they are great scientists but really really poor philosophers....

    What would happen if Kobe Bryant started to play baseball? Because he is a great basketballer, does that AUTOMATICALLY mena he is a great baseballer?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    No, you're just taking it too literally...  What if i write a book about a guy who performs miracles and i say its factual because the Holy Spirit came to me and had me write it...  Theres as much evidence that the guy in my book exists as there is of your god...  Test that...

    Ok, good.

    What are the chances, that another 5 people from other continents WROTE about the same person as you did in very very similar detail, people you have never seen before or met?

    What are the chances that your book is going to have a number of prophecies fulfilled with none proving false?

    Lets start with that....

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    No, you're just taking it too literally...  What if i write a book about a guy who performs miracles and i say its factual because the Holy Spirit came to me and had me write it...  Theres as much evidence that the guy in my book exists as there is of your god...  Test that...

    Ok, good.

    What are the chances, that another 5 people from other continents WROTE about the same person as you did in very very similar detail, people you have never seen before or met?

    What are the chances that your book is going to have a number of prophecies fulfilled with none proving false?

    Lets start with that....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    And this shows he along with Dawkins and Sam Harris have you all trapped.

    Yes, he is a brilliant scientist, absolutely no doubt.

    Just like what you said, however he is just that, a scientist. In pholosophy, he is like everyone else.

    Just like Dawkins, they are great scientists but really really poor philosophers....

    What would happen if Kobe Bryant started to play baseball? Because he is a great basketballer, does that AUTOMATICALLY mena he is a great baseballer?


    Youre really comparing vast intelligence to being good at a sport?
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    And this shows he along with Dawkins and Sam Harris have you all trapped.

    Yes, he is a brilliant scientist, absolutely no doubt.

    Just like what you said, however he is just that, a scientist. In pholosophy, he is like everyone else.

    Just like Dawkins, they are great scientists but really really poor philosophers....

    What would happen if Kobe Bryant started to play baseball? Because he is a great basketballer, does that AUTOMATICALLY mena he is a great baseballer?


    Youre really comparing vast intelligence to being good at a sport?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Youre really comparing vast intelligence to being good at a sport?

    Just used it to make a point that just because you are great in your field doesnt mean you are great in another field

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    Youre really comparing vast intelligence to being good at a sport?

    Just used it to make a point that just because you are great in your field doesnt mean you are great in another field

     
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    Is gambling considered a sin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Just used it to make a point that just because you are great in your field doesnt mean you are great in another field


    Okay but philosophy is about opinion...  So we shouldn't take a genius' opinion since it doesn't coincide with your argument?
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    Just used it to make a point that just because you are great in your field doesnt mean you are great in another field


    Okay but philosophy is about opinion...  So we shouldn't take a genius' opinion since it doesn't coincide with your argument?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesZona:

    Is gambling considered a sin?

    I have asked a priest about this...

    It is a case by base example....

    If you are making a comfortable living, roof over head, stomach full, if you have kids and they are fully covered, ie, school, clothes, food etc etc and you also give your dues to the poor, then no, it is not a sin...For example, someone might prefer to buy a nice shirt and go out to an expensive dinner with there left over income, others prefer to bet overs and unders......It really is no different.

    However if you are struggling to put a roof on your head, hungry, debts, family is hungry, etc etc and you gamble what you cant afford, then yes, it is a sin....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesZona:

    Is gambling considered a sin?

    I have asked a priest about this...

    It is a case by base example....

    If you are making a comfortable living, roof over head, stomach full, if you have kids and they are fully covered, ie, school, clothes, food etc etc and you also give your dues to the poor, then no, it is not a sin...For example, someone might prefer to buy a nice shirt and go out to an expensive dinner with there left over income, others prefer to bet overs and unders......It really is no different.

    However if you are struggling to put a roof on your head, hungry, debts, family is hungry, etc etc and you gamble what you cant afford, then yes, it is a sin....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Okay but philosophy is about opinion...  So we shouldn't take a genius' opinion since it doesn't coincide with your argument?

    He is a genius in science, but not philosophy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRP8xyzIWo

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    Okay but philosophy is about opinion...  So we shouldn't take a genius' opinion since it doesn't coincide with your argument?

    He is a genius in science, but not philosophy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRP8xyzIWo

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesZona:

    Is gambling considered a sin?

    The Bible contains no specific command to avoid gambling. However, the Bible does contain timeless principles for living a life pleasing to God and is filled with wisdom to deal with every situation, including gambling.

    Although the words "gambling" and "gamble" do not appear in the Bible, we cannot assume that an activity is not a sin simply because it is not mentioned. Looking at pornography on the Internet and using illegal drugs are not mentioned either, but both violate God's laws.

    Here's a few passages in the bible that concerns money: "Those who love money will never have enough. How meaningless to think that wealth brings true happiness! The more you have, the more people come to help you spend it. So what good is wealth---except perhaps to watch it slip through your fingers! (Ecclesiastes 5:10-11)

    "No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money" (Luke: 16:13).

    "For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows" (1 Timothy 6:10).

    People should be wise stewards of everything God gives them, including their time, talent and treasure. If you have extra money you should invest it in the Lord's work if you are a believer or save it for an emergency, rather that lose it in games in which the odds are stacked against you in the long run.

    Gambling also has the potential to turn into an addiction, like drugs or alcohol. This addiction can destroy the stability of the family, lead to job loss, and cause a person to lose control of their life: A passage in the bible says, "You are a slave to whatever controls you" (2 Peter 2:19).

    Some argue that gambling is nothing more than entertainment, no more immoral than going to a movie or concert. People who attend movies or concerts expect only entertainment in return, however, not money. They are not tempted to keep spending until they "break even."

    Finally, gambling provides a sense of false hope. Participants place their hope in winning, often against astronomical odds, instead of placing their hope in God. Throughout the Bible, we are constantly reminded that our hope is in God alone, not money, power, or position: "Let all that I am wait quietly before God, for my hope is in him" (Psalm 62:5). "Teach those who are rich in this world not to be proud and not to trust in their money, which is so unreliable. Their trust should be in God, who richly gives us all we need for our enjoyment" (1 Timothy 6:17).

    Every leisure activity is not a sin, but all sin is not clearly listed in the Bible. Added to that, God doesn't just want us not to sin, but he gives us an even higher goal. The Bible encourages us to consider our activities in this way: You say, "I am allowed to do anything"---but not everything is good for you. And even though "I am allowed to do anything," I must not become a slave to anything" (1 Corinthians 6:12)

    When an activity is not distinctly described as sin in the Bible, we can ask ourselves these questions: "Is this activity beneficial for me or will it become my master? Will participation in this activity be constructive or destructive to my Christian life and witness?"

    The Bible does not explicitly say, "Thou shalt not bet on the horses." Yet by gaining a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures we have a trustworthy guide for determining what pleases and displeases God.

    So in conclusion I would say the activity of gambling is not a sin...however after what has been said in this post...you are better off not to gamble and if you do, be very very careful not to have it control your life and ruin you financially and well as socially which will have the potential to lead you to sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesZona:

    Is gambling considered a sin?

    The Bible contains no specific command to avoid gambling. However, the Bible does contain timeless principles for living a life pleasing to God and is filled with wisdom to deal with every situation, including gambling.

    Although the words "gambling" and "gamble" do not appear in the Bible, we cannot assume that an activity is not a sin simply because it is not mentioned. Looking at pornography on the Internet and using illegal drugs are not mentioned either, but both violate God's laws.

    Here's a few passages in the bible that concerns money: "Those who love money will never have enough. How meaningless to think that wealth brings true happiness! The more you have, the more people come to help you spend it. So what good is wealth---except perhaps to watch it slip through your fingers! (Ecclesiastes 5:10-11)

    "No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money" (Luke: 16:13).

    "For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows" (1 Timothy 6:10).

    People should be wise stewards of everything God gives them, including their time, talent and treasure. If you have extra money you should invest it in the Lord's work if you are a believer or save it for an emergency, rather that lose it in games in which the odds are stacked against you in the long run.

    Gambling also has the potential to turn into an addiction, like drugs or alcohol. This addiction can destroy the stability of the family, lead to job loss, and cause a person to lose control of their life: A passage in the bible says, "You are a slave to whatever controls you" (2 Peter 2:19).

    Some argue that gambling is nothing more than entertainment, no more immoral than going to a movie or concert. People who attend movies or concerts expect only entertainment in return, however, not money. They are not tempted to keep spending until they "break even."

    Finally, gambling provides a sense of false hope. Participants place their hope in winning, often against astronomical odds, instead of placing their hope in God. Throughout the Bible, we are constantly reminded that our hope is in God alone, not money, power, or position: "Let all that I am wait quietly before God, for my hope is in him" (Psalm 62:5). "Teach those who are rich in this world not to be proud and not to trust in their money, which is so unreliable. Their trust should be in God, who richly gives us all we need for our enjoyment" (1 Timothy 6:17).

    Every leisure activity is not a sin, but all sin is not clearly listed in the Bible. Added to that, God doesn't just want us not to sin, but he gives us an even higher goal. The Bible encourages us to consider our activities in this way: You say, "I am allowed to do anything"---but not everything is good for you. And even though "I am allowed to do anything," I must not become a slave to anything" (1 Corinthians 6:12)

    When an activity is not distinctly described as sin in the Bible, we can ask ourselves these questions: "Is this activity beneficial for me or will it become my master? Will participation in this activity be constructive or destructive to my Christian life and witness?"

    The Bible does not explicitly say, "Thou shalt not bet on the horses." Yet by gaining a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures we have a trustworthy guide for determining what pleases and displeases God.

    So in conclusion I would say the activity of gambling is not a sin...however after what has been said in this post...you are better off not to gamble and if you do, be very very careful not to have it control your life and ruin you financially and well as socially which will have the potential to lead you to sin.

     
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    Regardless of everything that has been discussed to this point, this quote speaks to the main reasoning for my Atheism:

    "Faith, by definition, is believing in something without evidence, and personally I don't do that, because I'm not an idiot."

    I can NOT believe in something that has no evidence supporting it.  That just seems like common sense to me...
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    Regardless of everything that has been discussed to this point, this quote speaks to the main reasoning for my Atheism:

    "Faith, by definition, is believing in something without evidence, and personally I don't do that, because I'm not an idiot."

    I can NOT believe in something that has no evidence supporting it.  That just seems like common sense to me...
     
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    And using the bible as proof of the bible is the same as saying nothing at all.

    And the point of the whole discussion, what jesus did is not even remarkable. Those who die for others with no promise of anything are much more remarkable and deserving of praise then someone who has some type of "inside information" that everything will be ok. Seems like an attention seeker to me.


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    And using the bible as proof of the bible is the same as saying nothing at all.

    And the point of the whole discussion, what jesus did is not even remarkable. Those who die for others with no promise of anything are much more remarkable and deserving of praise then someone who has some type of "inside information" that everything will be ok. Seems like an attention seeker to me.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    one of the reasons why people hold back into believing in the existence of God is because of the evil that goes on. To do this I want to use Albert Einstein who was known to be a non-believer in God to convey my point.

    Albert Einstein was a German-born theoretical physicist who developed the theory of general relativity, effecting a revolution in physics. For this achievement, Einstein is often regarded as the father of modern physics and one of the most prolific intellects in human history.

    So, what was the reason Albert Einstein rejected the existence of a personal God? Einstein recognized the remarkable design and order of the cosmos, but could not reconcile those characteristics with the evil and suffering he found in human existence. How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?

    Einstein's error ( like most other non-believers)

    Einstein's failure to understand the motives of God are the result of his incorrect assumption that God intended this universe as His ultimate perfect creation. Einstein could not get past the moral problems that are present in our universe.

    He assumed, as most atheists do, that a personal God would only create a universe which is both good morally and perfect physically. However, according to Christianity, the purpose of the universe is not to be morally or physically perfect, but to provide a place where spiritual creatures can choose to love or reject God - to live with Him forever in a new, perfect universe, or reject Him and live apart from Him for all eternity.

    It would not be possible to make this choice in a universe in which all moral choices are restricted to only good ones. Einstein didn't seem to understand that one could not choose between good and bad if bad did not exist. It's amazing that such a brilliant man could not understand such a simple logical principle.

    Conclusion

    No, Albert Einstein was not a Christian or even a theist (one who believes in a personal God), probably because he failed to understand why evil existed. These days, those who fail to understand the purpose of evil not only reject the concept of a personal God, but also reject the concept of God's existence altogether.

    If you are an agnostic or atheist, my goal for you would be to recognize what Albert Einstein understood about the universe - that its amazing design demands the existence of a creator God. Then, go beyond Einstein's faulty understanding of the purpose of the universe and consider the Christian explanation for the purpose of human life and why evil must exist in this world.

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    one of the reasons why people hold back into believing in the existence of God is because of the evil that goes on. To do this I want to use Albert Einstein who was known to be a non-believer in God to convey my point.

    Albert Einstein was a German-born theoretical physicist who developed the theory of general relativity, effecting a revolution in physics. For this achievement, Einstein is often regarded as the father of modern physics and one of the most prolific intellects in human history.

    So, what was the reason Albert Einstein rejected the existence of a personal God? Einstein recognized the remarkable design and order of the cosmos, but could not reconcile those characteristics with the evil and suffering he found in human existence. How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?

    Einstein's error ( like most other non-believers)

    Einstein's failure to understand the motives of God are the result of his incorrect assumption that God intended this universe as His ultimate perfect creation. Einstein could not get past the moral problems that are present in our universe.

    He assumed, as most atheists do, that a personal God would only create a universe which is both good morally and perfect physically. However, according to Christianity, the purpose of the universe is not to be morally or physically perfect, but to provide a place where spiritual creatures can choose to love or reject God - to live with Him forever in a new, perfect universe, or reject Him and live apart from Him for all eternity.

    It would not be possible to make this choice in a universe in which all moral choices are restricted to only good ones. Einstein didn't seem to understand that one could not choose between good and bad if bad did not exist. It's amazing that such a brilliant man could not understand such a simple logical principle.

    Conclusion

    No, Albert Einstein was not a Christian or even a theist (one who believes in a personal God), probably because he failed to understand why evil existed. These days, those who fail to understand the purpose of evil not only reject the concept of a personal God, but also reject the concept of God's existence altogether.

    If you are an agnostic or atheist, my goal for you would be to recognize what Albert Einstein understood about the universe - that its amazing design demands the existence of a creator God. Then, go beyond Einstein's faulty understanding of the purpose of the universe and consider the Christian explanation for the purpose of human life and why evil must exist in this world.

     
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     "Einstein recognized the remarkable design and order of the cosmos, but could not reconcile those characteristics with the evil and suffering he found in human existence. How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?"

    WRONG; Einstein looked for order in the universe mathmatically, the morals of human beings I don't think he commented on in his research papers.

    What he found was inconcistencies which he could not solve. The fact that at the very small scale and at the very large scale the fundamental laws of physics as known break apart and don't work anymore troubled him because he wanted to figure out the GUT, grand unified theory. That two different mathematical models had to be used to explain known physics at the time was unsatisfactory to Einstein, though he was unable to solve the problem in his life.

    Einstein had issues because the design and order which he sought for became more, and more elusive, not more clear. Hence some of the biggest questions TODAY in physics are why a particle can be in two places at the same time (defying known laws), how can energy have an effect over distance in zero time (defying known laws), as well as that the big bang is not an individual, unique event, but happens repeatedly, and that this universe is one of endless varieties being created regularly (a result of the math, not wishful thinking). This is not speculation, or navel gazing, this is peer reviewed science. The same work which provided you your hot food this morning will answer more of these questions as human effort continues to yield answers.
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     "Einstein recognized the remarkable design and order of the cosmos, but could not reconcile those characteristics with the evil and suffering he found in human existence. How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?"

    WRONG; Einstein looked for order in the universe mathmatically, the morals of human beings I don't think he commented on in his research papers.

    What he found was inconcistencies which he could not solve. The fact that at the very small scale and at the very large scale the fundamental laws of physics as known break apart and don't work anymore troubled him because he wanted to figure out the GUT, grand unified theory. That two different mathematical models had to be used to explain known physics at the time was unsatisfactory to Einstein, though he was unable to solve the problem in his life.

    Einstein had issues because the design and order which he sought for became more, and more elusive, not more clear. Hence some of the biggest questions TODAY in physics are why a particle can be in two places at the same time (defying known laws), how can energy have an effect over distance in zero time (defying known laws), as well as that the big bang is not an individual, unique event, but happens repeatedly, and that this universe is one of endless varieties being created regularly (a result of the math, not wishful thinking). This is not speculation, or navel gazing, this is peer reviewed science. The same work which provided you your hot food this morning will answer more of these questions as human effort continues to yield answers.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:


    Do you really believe that everyone who believes different from what you believe is going to hell?  Its beyond arrogant on your part to think you know what will happen.  

    It is perfectly reasonable assumption to make by those who cannot handle the idea of not existing like they did before they were born. It is truly the sign of an immature mind which deals in simple absolutes. The heavy lifting required intellectually to be a responsible member of the human species is beyond SJD. He stopped growing when he decided to spend most of his days on his knees mumbling fables. Don't look for the longer lasting lightbulb, or the cure for cancer from this guy. The only thing you will get from him is probably some condescending talk about women not knowing their place behind men.
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    Do you really believe that everyone who believes different from what you believe is going to hell?  Its beyond arrogant on your part to think you know what will happen.  

    It is perfectly reasonable assumption to make by those who cannot handle the idea of not existing like they did before they were born. It is truly the sign of an immature mind which deals in simple absolutes. The heavy lifting required intellectually to be a responsible member of the human species is beyond SJD. He stopped growing when he decided to spend most of his days on his knees mumbling fables. Don't look for the longer lasting lightbulb, or the cure for cancer from this guy. The only thing you will get from him is probably some condescending talk about women not knowing their place behind men.
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