Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Fallacy to claim higher rates of covid infections, deaths and hospitalizations among the vaccinated. The more vaccinated a population, the more we hear of cases, deaths and hospitalizations from the vaccinated. For example if population is 100% vaccinated, 100% of cases, deaths and hospitalizations would be from the vaccinated. In Israel and UK, vaccinated populations are far larger than unvaccinated populations. Although rare, most covid deaths and hospitalizations are expected among the vaccinated. In both countries, weekly hospital admissions are a tiny fraction of their peaks in January. Also number of covid deaths are far lower now. Actually, Israel and UK provide evidences for effectiveness of vaccines.
"Fallacy to claim higher rates of covid infections, deaths and hospitalizations among the vaccinated."
I NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM. WHY RESPOND WITH THIS STATEMENT? It's a deflection.
"In Israel and UK, vaccinated populations are far larger than unvaccinated populations."
MISINFORMATION, UK vaccination rate 54.2%, Israel 57.9%. FAR LARGER, 4.2 and 7.9%?? a false statement.
"Although rare, most covid deaths and hospitalizations are expected among the vaccinated."
Maybe true here now, but not overseas NOW. Delta variant will change those numbers as they did in UK and Israel, CDC knows this is coming. Anyone with a brain should know this is coming.
"In both countries, weekly hospital admissions are a tiny fraction of their peaks in January."
Show me the numbers. UK reported yesterday 60% of hospitalizations are unvaxed, so the 40%, vaxed. 54.2% of the population vaxed so you would hypothetically expect 45.8% unvaxed hospitalized and 54.2% vaxed hospitalized IF vaccine did nothing AT ALL. You gain 14% with vaccination, that's all according to these numbers. Do the math!!!
"Also number of covid deaths are far lower now."
According to the UK report on Delta variant deaths the overall death rate was a very low .13%. EXCEPT, those over 50 it was a full 1%, 1 in a hundred.
I'm not anti vaccine, I'm anti-bullchit!!!! The vaccine does help. With older variants really helps. Not so much with Delta. The numbers are coming in from overseas and they're not good. To repeat 99,now 97% success is just fooling people. For college football leagues telling their athletes if most are vaccinated, no testing or masks, is bullchit. The dems from Texas just proved that.
Vaccines do help, there are side effects for some. That data is not given out. A Saginaw county Michigan boy just died in his sleep a couple of days after shot #2. Autopsy has been done, will not be released!! It happens, people have concerns. They are shamed rather than given factual information. Large cities like Detroit and St Louis are far behind in vax rates. (30's%) They have population densities of 4000 or more people per square mile yet rural counties with population densities of less than 50 per square mile are singled out daily. You know why. These large cities are superspreaders waiting to happen. When it does, white supremacy caused it. LOL
So stupid.