"I am not anti-vax. I’m not anti-medicine. I’m not anti-science. I didn’t come to my current vaccination status by studying Black history or watching Donald Trump press conferences. I have nothing but the utmost respect for every healthcare worker and person in Orlando and all across the world that have worked tirelessly to keep us safe. My mom has worked in healthcare for a really long time. I thank God, I’m grateful that I live in a society where vaccines are possible and we can protect ourselves and have the means to protect ourselves in the first place," he said, via NBC Sports.
"But with that being said, it is my belief that the vaccine status of every person should be their own choice and completely up to them without bullying, without being pressured or without being forced into doing so. I’m not ashamed to say that I’m uncomfortable with taking the vaccine at this time. I think that we’re all different. We all come from different places. We’ve all had different experiences and hold dear to different beliefs. And what it is that you do with your body when it comes to putting medicine in there should be your choice, free of the ridicule and the opinion of others."
WELL SAID!!!!
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JONATHAN ISAAC;
"I am not anti-vax. I’m not anti-medicine. I’m not anti-science. I didn’t come to my current vaccination status by studying Black history or watching Donald Trump press conferences. I have nothing but the utmost respect for every healthcare worker and person in Orlando and all across the world that have worked tirelessly to keep us safe. My mom has worked in healthcare for a really long time. I thank God, I’m grateful that I live in a society where vaccines are possible and we can protect ourselves and have the means to protect ourselves in the first place," he said, via NBC Sports.
"But with that being said, it is my belief that the vaccine status of every person should be their own choice and completely up to them without bullying, without being pressured or without being forced into doing so. I’m not ashamed to say that I’m uncomfortable with taking the vaccine at this time. I think that we’re all different. We all come from different places. We’ve all had different experiences and hold dear to different beliefs. And what it is that you do with your body when it comes to putting medicine in there should be your choice, free of the ridicule and the opinion of others."
@BigGame90 OK, so do a search & you will see that no one is exempt from this virus including healthy young individuals. No one in our company, as small as it is, can work with us, our vendors & our customers without being vaccinated. It's my duty as the owner. Luckily, our employees got vaccinated of their own accord but we would have fired them if they didn't. What's that saying, "It's good to be King." Your "what if scenario" can be turned be turned into "what if I didn't?" If you want to work for a company, you follow the company rules or find another job. It's really quite simple.
So if people are forced to get the vax or they get fired and that person has an adverse reaction to the vax, who takes responsibility? Not you, their employer, not the govt who mandated the vax, not the vax manufacture. It's solely on the person. So by that reasoning, the vax should not be mandated unless those enforcing take responsibility for anything that happens afterwards.
Without the vax there is a 99.8% chance of recovery. The vast majority of people who contract covid that end up in the hospital are the elderly, people with underlying conditions, poor immune systems and obese. So why doesn't the govt mandate those categories and let the rest decide on their own? I highly doubt that category of people falls in the 99.8% so they should take more extreme cautions and opt for the short term effects of the vax that are shown, like lessor symptoms from covid. We have literally no idea what's going to happen in 5 years, in 10 years, in 30 years from this vax. Hell, we don't even know if the current vax is going to be effective against a mutated strain.
It's not company rules, it's the govt forcing mandates. Makes sure that's clear.
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@BigGame90 OK, so do a search & you will see that no one is exempt from this virus including healthy young individuals. No one in our company, as small as it is, can work with us, our vendors & our customers without being vaccinated. It's my duty as the owner. Luckily, our employees got vaccinated of their own accord but we would have fired them if they didn't. What's that saying, "It's good to be King." Your "what if scenario" can be turned be turned into "what if I didn't?" If you want to work for a company, you follow the company rules or find another job. It's really quite simple.
So if people are forced to get the vax or they get fired and that person has an adverse reaction to the vax, who takes responsibility? Not you, their employer, not the govt who mandated the vax, not the vax manufacture. It's solely on the person. So by that reasoning, the vax should not be mandated unless those enforcing take responsibility for anything that happens afterwards.
Without the vax there is a 99.8% chance of recovery. The vast majority of people who contract covid that end up in the hospital are the elderly, people with underlying conditions, poor immune systems and obese. So why doesn't the govt mandate those categories and let the rest decide on their own? I highly doubt that category of people falls in the 99.8% so they should take more extreme cautions and opt for the short term effects of the vax that are shown, like lessor symptoms from covid. We have literally no idea what's going to happen in 5 years, in 10 years, in 30 years from this vax. Hell, we don't even know if the current vax is going to be effective against a mutated strain.
It's not company rules, it's the govt forcing mandates. Makes sure that's clear.
OK, so do a search & you will see that no one is exempt from this virus including healthy young individuals. No one in our company, as small as it is, can work with us, our vendors & our customers without being vaccinated. It's my duty as the owner. Luckily, our employees got vaccinated of their own accord but we would have fired them if they didn't. What's that saying, "It's good to be King."
Your "what if scenario" can be turned be turned into "what if I didn't?"
If you want to work for a company, you follow the company rules or find another job.
It's really quite simple.
Very simple. For most. But some just don't get it.
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@BigGame90
OK, so do a search & you will see that no one is exempt from this virus including healthy young individuals. No one in our company, as small as it is, can work with us, our vendors & our customers without being vaccinated. It's my duty as the owner. Luckily, our employees got vaccinated of their own accord but we would have fired them if they didn't. What's that saying, "It's good to be King."
Your "what if scenario" can be turned be turned into "what if I didn't?"
If you want to work for a company, you follow the company rules or find another job.
It's really quite simple.
Very simple. For most. But some just don't get it.
I'll ask the same from you Fuduh as I did kelly. Please enlighten us with your own thoughts on the matter. Not a clip from CNN but your own actual thoughts. Otherwise, you're just a shill and a bot trying to push a narrative like a sheep.
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@fubah2
I'll ask the same from you Fuduh as I did kelly. Please enlighten us with your own thoughts on the matter. Not a clip from CNN but your own actual thoughts. Otherwise, you're just a shill and a bot trying to push a narrative like a sheep.
Pandemic brings out the worst in people especially from anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers. Violence against healthcare workers is a growing problem according to US bureau of labor statistics. Restaurant workers are dealing with increased levels of bad behavior from customers opposed to public health measures. Association of flight attendants say employees have become punching bags of abusive passengers. But fortunately, ad campaign warning of penalties has helped to reduce bad incidents.
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Pandemic brings out the worst in people especially from anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers. Violence against healthcare workers is a growing problem according to US bureau of labor statistics. Restaurant workers are dealing with increased levels of bad behavior from customers opposed to public health measures. Association of flight attendants say employees have become punching bags of abusive passengers. But fortunately, ad campaign warning of penalties has helped to reduce bad incidents.
Benefits that came with serving in the military? I was fucking drafted to walk though swamps with bullets buzzing by my head & seeing body parts hanging from trees. Benefits??? Nightmares to this day.
Don't fucking preach to me about benefits. I wasn't any Senator's son boy!
You should kiss the ass of anyone who served that allows you to spew bullshit freely.
Lastly, go fuck yourself!
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@BigGame90
Benefits that came with serving in the military? I was fucking drafted to walk though swamps with bullets buzzing by my head & seeing body parts hanging from trees. Benefits??? Nightmares to this day.
Don't fucking preach to me about benefits. I wasn't any Senator's son boy!
You should kiss the ass of anyone who served that allows you to spew bullshit freely.
Fubduh, see how Midnight had a civil conversation after the fact he thought I was lashing out at him. You should try it. Everyone in here (besides kelly) thinks you're a troll.
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Kelly and Fubduh, the trolls that ruin forums.
Fubduh, see how Midnight had a civil conversation after the fact he thought I was lashing out at him. You should try it. Everyone in here (besides kelly) thinks you're a troll.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Interesting that Gallup target unvaccinated Republicans but they won’t target unvaccinated minorities. Black vaccination rates appear low compared to white Americans because white democrats are heavily vaccinated. Kaiser family foundation found blacks and whites are equally likely to say they are vaccinated. While white democrats are far more likely than white republicans to say that they are vaccinated. In other words, Kaiser family foundation research found republicans are less likely to receive at least one covid vaccine dose than other groups. Republicans 58%. Black adults 70%. White adults 71%. Democrats 90%. There are far more whites than blacks, hispanics and asians combined. So Trump falsely blames democrats and minorities for low vaccination rates. Fact is the majority of unvaccinated population is white and republican. Vast majority of covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths occur in unvaccinated population.
Thirdperson is right.
Over a recent three-month period, the cost of treating unvaccinated COVID-19 patients around the U.S. amounted to $5.7 billion, the report from the Kaiser Family Foundation and Peterson Center on Healthcare concluded.
Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last week.
U.S. taxpayers ultimately have to pay the medical tab from these unvaccinated Covid-19 people who got sick and then hospitalized.
Facts! Keep them coming Europa, Thirdperson.
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Interesting that Gallup target unvaccinated Republicans but they won’t target unvaccinated minorities. Black vaccination rates appear low compared to white Americans because white democrats are heavily vaccinated. Kaiser family foundation found blacks and whites are equally likely to say they are vaccinated. While white democrats are far more likely than white republicans to say that they are vaccinated. In other words, Kaiser family foundation research found republicans are less likely to receive at least one covid vaccine dose than other groups. Republicans 58%. Black adults 70%. White adults 71%. Democrats 90%. There are far more whites than blacks, hispanics and asians combined. So Trump falsely blames democrats and minorities for low vaccination rates. Fact is the majority of unvaccinated population is white and republican. Vast majority of covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths occur in unvaccinated population.
Thirdperson is right.
Over a recent three-month period, the cost of treating unvaccinated COVID-19 patients around the U.S. amounted to $5.7 billion, the report from the Kaiser Family Foundation and Peterson Center on Healthcare concluded.
Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last week.
OK, so do a search & you will see that no one is exempt from this virus including healthy young individuals. No one in our company, as small as it is, can work with us, our vendors & our customers without being vaccinated. It's my duty as the owner. Luckily, our employees got vaccinated of their own accord but we would have fired them if they didn't. What's that saying, "It's good to be King."
Your "what if scenario" can be turned be turned into "what if I didn't?"
If you want to work for a company, you follow the company rules or find another job.
It's really quite simple.
Very simple. For most. But some just don't get it.
those same people likely never will either
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@BigGame90
OK, so do a search & you will see that no one is exempt from this virus including healthy young individuals. No one in our company, as small as it is, can work with us, our vendors & our customers without being vaccinated. It's my duty as the owner. Luckily, our employees got vaccinated of their own accord but we would have fired them if they didn't. What's that saying, "It's good to be King."
Your "what if scenario" can be turned be turned into "what if I didn't?"
If you want to work for a company, you follow the company rules or find another job.
It's really quite simple.
Very simple. For most. But some just don't get it.
Benefits that came with serving in the military? I was fucking drafted to walk though swamps with bullets buzzing by my head & seeing body parts hanging from trees. Benefits??? Nightmares to this day.
Don't fucking preach to me about benefits. I wasn't any Senator's son boy!
You should kiss the ass of anyone who served that allows you to spew bullshit freely.
Lastly, go fuck yourself!
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@BigGame90
Benefits that came with serving in the military? I was fucking drafted to walk though swamps with bullets buzzing by my head & seeing body parts hanging from trees. Benefits??? Nightmares to this day.
Don't fucking preach to me about benefits. I wasn't any Senator's son boy!
You should kiss the ass of anyone who served that allows you to spew bullshit freely.
1st of all, I didn't tell them they needed to get vaccinated. They chose to do so. However, I have a right to employ whomever I chose. In fact, we hired a vet 3 months ago that is missing his right hand & he's the best damn carpenter I've ever seen.
Perhaps you need to lose someone close to you due to covid to understand the importance of being vaccinated.
I hope you don't.
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@UNIMAN
1st of all, I didn't tell them they needed to get vaccinated. They chose to do so. However, I have a right to employ whomever I chose. In fact, we hired a vet 3 months ago that is missing his right hand & he's the best damn carpenter I've ever seen.
Perhaps you need to lose someone close to you due to covid to understand the importance of being vaccinated.
1st of all, I didn't tell them they needed to get vaccinated. They chose to do so. However, I have a right to employ whomever I chose. In fact, we hired a vet 3 months ago that is missing his right hand & he's the best damn carpenter I've ever seen.
Perhaps you need to lose someone close to you due to covid to understand the importance of being vaccinated.
I hope you don't
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"@zircon, I appreciate you brother! You're a GOOD dude, anyone can see that!" -Wizerg
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@UNIMAN
1st of all, I didn't tell them they needed to get vaccinated. They chose to do so. However, I have a right to employ whomever I chose. In fact, we hired a vet 3 months ago that is missing his right hand & he's the best damn carpenter I've ever seen.
Perhaps you need to lose someone close to you due to covid to understand the importance of being vaccinated.
I am also not against the vaccine. As much as kelly and fubduh think, I am for the vax. I am against mandates and forced vax for employment. I respect what you do and that you served our country. It's because of people like you that we have this forum to discuss. I am always open to hearing the other side because my perspective is not always right so I welcome and respect hearing sound arguments for any side of a topic. Being one sided (kelly, fubduh and others) is not the right way to live life as nobody is 100% correct. We all make mistakes and do wrong but being able to openly hear the other side is how we grow. We shouldn't divide even though some of us in here try to separate us by politics. Everyone is in different situations and I had no hard feelings or ill will towards you.
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@Midnight1
I am also not against the vaccine. As much as kelly and fubduh think, I am for the vax. I am against mandates and forced vax for employment. I respect what you do and that you served our country. It's because of people like you that we have this forum to discuss. I am always open to hearing the other side because my perspective is not always right so I welcome and respect hearing sound arguments for any side of a topic. Being one sided (kelly, fubduh and others) is not the right way to live life as nobody is 100% correct. We all make mistakes and do wrong but being able to openly hear the other side is how we grow. We shouldn't divide even though some of us in here try to separate us by politics. Everyone is in different situations and I had no hard feelings or ill will towards you.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Interesting that Gallup target unvaccinated Republicans but they won’t target unvaccinated minorities. Black vaccination rates appear low compared to white Americans because white democrats are heavily vaccinated. Kaiser family foundation found blacks and whites are equally likely to say they are vaccinated. While white democrats are far more likely than white republicans to say that they are vaccinated. In other words, Kaiser family foundation research found republicans are less likely to receive at least one covid vaccine dose than other groups. Republicans 58%. Black adults 70%. White adults 71%. Democrats 90%. There are far more whites than blacks, hispanics and asians combined. So Trump falsely blames democrats and minorities for low vaccination rates. Fact is the majority of unvaccinated population is white and republican. Vast majority of covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths occur in unvaccinated population.
Thirdperson is right.
Over a recent three-month period, the cost of treating unvaccinated COVID-19 patients around the U.S. amounted to $5.7 billion, the report from the Kaiser Family Foundation and Peterson Center on Healthcare concluded.
Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last week.
U.S. taxpayers ultimately have to pay the medical tab from these unvaccinated Covid-19 people who got sick and then hospitalized.
Facts! Keep them coming Europa, Thirdperson.
ill second that
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Interesting that Gallup target unvaccinated Republicans but they won’t target unvaccinated minorities. Black vaccination rates appear low compared to white Americans because white democrats are heavily vaccinated. Kaiser family foundation found blacks and whites are equally likely to say they are vaccinated. While white democrats are far more likely than white republicans to say that they are vaccinated. In other words, Kaiser family foundation research found republicans are less likely to receive at least one covid vaccine dose than other groups. Republicans 58%. Black adults 70%. White adults 71%. Democrats 90%. There are far more whites than blacks, hispanics and asians combined. So Trump falsely blames democrats and minorities for low vaccination rates. Fact is the majority of unvaccinated population is white and republican. Vast majority of covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths occur in unvaccinated population.
Thirdperson is right.
Over a recent three-month period, the cost of treating unvaccinated COVID-19 patients around the U.S. amounted to $5.7 billion, the report from the Kaiser Family Foundation and Peterson Center on Healthcare concluded.
Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last week.
@UNIMAN 1st of all, I didn't tell them they needed to get vaccinated. They chose to do so. However, I have a right to employ whomever I chose. In fact, we hired a vet 3 months ago that is missing his right hand & he's the best damn carpenter I've ever seen. Perhaps you need to lose someone close to you due to covid to understand the importance of being vaccinated. I hope you don't.
hard lessons usually work but would hate to see it come to that
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@UNIMAN 1st of all, I didn't tell them they needed to get vaccinated. They chose to do so. However, I have a right to employ whomever I chose. In fact, we hired a vet 3 months ago that is missing his right hand & he's the best damn carpenter I've ever seen. Perhaps you need to lose someone close to you due to covid to understand the importance of being vaccinated. I hope you don't.
hard lessons usually work but would hate to see it come to that
@UNIMAN 1st of all, I didn't tell them they needed to get vaccinated. They chose to do so. However, I have a right to employ whomever I chose. In fact, we hired a vet 3 months ago that is missing his right hand & he's the best damn carpenter I've ever seen. Perhaps you need to lose someone close to you due to covid to understand the importance of being vaccinated. I hope you don't.
True. Private business.
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@UNIMAN 1st of all, I didn't tell them they needed to get vaccinated. They chose to do so. However, I have a right to employ whomever I chose. In fact, we hired a vet 3 months ago that is missing his right hand & he's the best damn carpenter I've ever seen. Perhaps you need to lose someone close to you due to covid to understand the importance of being vaccinated. I hope you don't.
What party pushed to shut businesses down? Why did major companies left blue states for red states? Why did governors from blue states beg businesses not to leave? ummm maybe because companies didn't want restrictions so they can keep their employees working? Maybe the cost of living is too expensive in blue states and shutting down businesses caused employees to dip into savings just to pay rent? Shutting down businesses has consequences. Name one country where covid doesn't exist? You can't. NOT Trumps fault. Blame Chyna where this was originated if you want to blame any one. Oh, by the way, go look at Chynas real estate firms. A lot of them are going under because they ran out of their investors cash and can not even make their monthly interest payments. Millions in payments missed, hundreds of billions in debt. Guess who has backed some of those companies? US banks. Australia as well. Shit show is just starting.
Please explain how YOU think it's Trumps fault. Will be waiting.
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@fubah2
What party pushed to shut businesses down? Why did major companies left blue states for red states? Why did governors from blue states beg businesses not to leave? ummm maybe because companies didn't want restrictions so they can keep their employees working? Maybe the cost of living is too expensive in blue states and shutting down businesses caused employees to dip into savings just to pay rent? Shutting down businesses has consequences. Name one country where covid doesn't exist? You can't. NOT Trumps fault. Blame Chyna where this was originated if you want to blame any one. Oh, by the way, go look at Chynas real estate firms. A lot of them are going under because they ran out of their investors cash and can not even make their monthly interest payments. Millions in payments missed, hundreds of billions in debt. Guess who has backed some of those companies? US banks. Australia as well. Shit show is just starting.
Please explain how YOU think it's Trumps fault. Will be waiting.
MarketWatch 1 in 5 older Americans say they used up their savings or lost their main source of income because of the pandemic.
This is absolutely horrendous but not unexpected. And now those in the greatest need will have to wait longer for the Post Office to deliver their checks.
How the hell is DeJoy still in charge of the PO????
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MarketWatch 1 in 5 older Americans say they used up their savings or lost their main source of income because of the pandemic.
This is absolutely horrendous but not unexpected. And now those in the greatest need will have to wait longer for the Post Office to deliver their checks.
How the hell is DeJoy still in charge of the PO????
@UNIMAN 1st of all, I didn't tell them they needed to get vaccinated. They chose to do so. However, I have a right to employ whomever I chose. In fact, we hired a vet 3 months ago that is missing his right hand & he's the best damn carpenter I've ever seen. Perhaps you need to lose someone close to you due to covid to understand the importance of being vaccinated. I hope you don't.
hard lessons usually work but would hate to see it come to that
I hate to see anyone die......even those who caused it themselves.
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@UNIMAN 1st of all, I didn't tell them they needed to get vaccinated. They chose to do so. However, I have a right to employ whomever I chose. In fact, we hired a vet 3 months ago that is missing his right hand & he's the best damn carpenter I've ever seen. Perhaps you need to lose someone close to you due to covid to understand the importance of being vaccinated. I hope you don't.
hard lessons usually work but would hate to see it come to that
I hate to see anyone die......even those who caused it themselves.
The link at the bottom is a very good site to keep up with the medical malpractice being perpetrated against western civilization. The latest crimes against humanity will take place in California with school children having to take the spike protein laced vaccination.
The link at the bottom is a very good site to keep up with the medical malpractice being perpetrated against western civilization. The latest crimes against humanity will take place in California with school children having to take the spike protein laced vaccination.
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