Really doesn't matter to me. Too many deaths for sure.
My father died of old age 6 months before covid, had he lived longer and contracted it he would surely be one of those covid counts. Am sure many were on their death bed when covid finished them off. And many flat-out died from covid, not worth an argument at this point.
But you can bet your azz the CDC will now pick out the vaccinated who die WITH covid.
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Really doesn't matter to me. Too many deaths for sure.
My father died of old age 6 months before covid, had he lived longer and contracted it he would surely be one of those covid counts. Am sure many were on their death bed when covid finished them off. And many flat-out died from covid, not worth an argument at this point.
But you can bet your azz the CDC will now pick out the vaccinated who die WITH covid.
Wisconsin health department reveals that unvaccinated people are 10 times more likely to be hospitalized than those who are fully vaccinated according to Lacross Tribune. More proof of pandemic of the unvaccinated and that vaccines work in preventing severe illness.
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Wisconsin health department reveals that unvaccinated people are 10 times more likely to be hospitalized than those who are fully vaccinated according to Lacross Tribune. More proof of pandemic of the unvaccinated and that vaccines work in preventing severe illness.
Lead stories fact check reveals National center for health statistics always separate out cases where covid is the immediate cause of death. Although deceased people may have risk factors, doctors determine they would still be alive if not for covid. Doctors are well trained to determine cause of death. So Center for disease data already differentiate between those who died from the virus and those who died with it.
bottom line facts that matter
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Covid deaths aren't over counted.
Lead stories fact check reveals National center for health statistics always separate out cases where covid is the immediate cause of death. Although deceased people may have risk factors, doctors determine they would still be alive if not for covid. Doctors are well trained to determine cause of death. So Center for disease data already differentiate between those who died from the virus and those who died with it.
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
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According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
I ordered our 4 free Covid test kits online & it took less than 30 seconds.
Which brand? Like I mentioned in another thread, the rapid test are hit or miss. I've got some experience w/ them. I've seen them spot covid when the person claimed they weren't symptomatic. (Some could've been lying but I'm sure not all.) I've also see them miss covid. Never seen one spit out a false positive. And some false negatives can be attributed to operator error.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
I ordered our 4 free Covid test kits online & it took less than 30 seconds.
Which brand? Like I mentioned in another thread, the rapid test are hit or miss. I've got some experience w/ them. I've seen them spot covid when the person claimed they weren't symptomatic. (Some could've been lying but I'm sure not all.) I've also see them miss covid. Never seen one spit out a false positive. And some false negatives can be attributed to operator error.
Washington state health department reveals that unvaccinated people are 8 times more likely to be hospitalized than the fully vaccinated in 12 to 34 years age group. 11 times higher risk for 36 to 64 years old.
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Washington state health department reveals that unvaccinated people are 8 times more likely to be hospitalized than the fully vaccinated in 12 to 34 years age group. 11 times higher risk for 36 to 64 years old.
I ordered our 4 free Covid test kits online & it took less than 30 seconds.
You might get them in February.
Sent a priority 2-day envelope last Monday, Jan. 10th. Tracking shows it may get there today!!! Postal service sucks!!! Maybe they will use FedEx or UPS.
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
I ordered our 4 free Covid test kits online & it took less than 30 seconds.
You might get them in February.
Sent a priority 2-day envelope last Monday, Jan. 10th. Tracking shows it may get there today!!! Postal service sucks!!! Maybe they will use FedEx or UPS.
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group.
8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old.
10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old.
9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
Thanks, Thirdperson.
Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group.
8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old.
10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old.
9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
Thanks, Thirdperson.
Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma.
The top 5 vaccinated states; Vermont 78.65% Rhode Island 77.91% Maine 76.79% Connecticut 75.8% Massachusetts 75.71% The bottom 5 vaccinated states; Idaho 46.68% Wyoming 48.18% Alabama 48.42% Mississippi 49.11% Louisiana 51.01 % From World-o-meter; Combined population (rounded to 1,000's) of top 5; 13,485,000 Combined population (rounded to 1'000's) of bottom 5; 16,498,000 Latest 7-day covid death rate for top 5; 71 deaths a day Latest 7-day covid death rate for bottom 5; 48 deaths a day For those who post 7 day hospital rates and then claim 7 days are no good for others to post....... Total covid deaths since December 1st, 2021 for top 5 vaccinated states (with less population) ; 2659 Total covid deaths since December 1st, 2021 for bottom 5 vaccinated states; 1771 That is the data folks, go look, do the math.
Pretty revealing facts!
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
The top 5 vaccinated states; Vermont 78.65% Rhode Island 77.91% Maine 76.79% Connecticut 75.8% Massachusetts 75.71% The bottom 5 vaccinated states; Idaho 46.68% Wyoming 48.18% Alabama 48.42% Mississippi 49.11% Louisiana 51.01 % From World-o-meter; Combined population (rounded to 1,000's) of top 5; 13,485,000 Combined population (rounded to 1'000's) of bottom 5; 16,498,000 Latest 7-day covid death rate for top 5; 71 deaths a day Latest 7-day covid death rate for bottom 5; 48 deaths a day For those who post 7 day hospital rates and then claim 7 days are no good for others to post....... Total covid deaths since December 1st, 2021 for top 5 vaccinated states (with less population) ; 2659 Total covid deaths since December 1st, 2021 for bottom 5 vaccinated states; 1771 That is the data folks, go look, do the math.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old. Thanks, Thirdperson. Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma.
Wrong.
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old. Thanks, Thirdperson. Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma.
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
Pandemic of the unvaccinated
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
Pandemic of the unvaccinated
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group.
8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old.
10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old.
9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
Thanks, Thirdperson.
Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma.
yep the facts r clear
"I'm the MOST HONEST HUMAN BEING that God has EVER created!!" - Donald Trump
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group.
8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old.
10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old.
9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
Thanks, Thirdperson.
Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old. Pandemic of the unvaccinated
Pandemic of the unhealthy, elderly, compromised immune systems. Hospitals have unvaxed and vaxed people. Go ask anyone who works there.
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old. Pandemic of the unvaccinated
Pandemic of the unhealthy, elderly, compromised immune systems. Hospitals have unvaxed and vaxed people. Go ask anyone who works there.
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group.
8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old.
10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old.
9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
Thanks, Thirdperson.
Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma.
yep the facts r clear
Of course.
Any intelligent person can see that.
But I guess in the end it all relates back to the Midnight1's candidate for "Politics Forum Post of the Year" when he alludes to how many people have decided they will dismiss the inconvenient facts which don't fit their narrative in favor of their own "interpretation"
Like Kellyanne Conway said as a representative of the republican party: "alternative facts!"
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group.
8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old.
10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old.
9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
Thanks, Thirdperson.
Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma.
yep the facts r clear
Of course.
Any intelligent person can see that.
But I guess in the end it all relates back to the Midnight1's candidate for "Politics Forum Post of the Year" when he alludes to how many people have decided they will dismiss the inconvenient facts which don't fit their narrative in favor of their own "interpretation"
Like Kellyanne Conway said as a representative of the republican party: "alternative facts!"
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group.
8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old.
10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old.
9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
Thanks, Thirdperson.
Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma.
yep the facts r clear
Of course.
Any intelligent person can see that.
But I guess in the end it all relates back to the Midnight1's candidate for "Politics Forum Post of the Year" when he alludes to how many people have decided they will dismiss the inconvenient facts which don't fit their narrative in favor of their own "interpretation"
Like Kellyanne Conway said as a representative of the republican party: "alternative facts!"
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group.
8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old.
10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old.
9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old.
Thanks, Thirdperson.
Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma.
yep the facts r clear
Of course.
Any intelligent person can see that.
But I guess in the end it all relates back to the Midnight1's candidate for "Politics Forum Post of the Year" when he alludes to how many people have decided they will dismiss the inconvenient facts which don't fit their narrative in favor of their own "interpretation"
Like Kellyanne Conway said as a representative of the republican party: "alternative facts!"
Yep & what I don't understand is why it takes so long to ship. Imagine owning a business that takes this long to ship its product. Wouldn't be in business very long.
@BigGame90
As I was telling Stu, at first I wanted to see the design & response time of the website. It was so easy to order the kits so I did. I'm fully vaccinated/boosted, wear my KN96 mask in public & keep myself relatively safe from others I don't know. I personally don't know anything about the kits but will soon find out.
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@UNIMAN
Yep & what I don't understand is why it takes so long to ship. Imagine owning a business that takes this long to ship its product. Wouldn't be in business very long.
@BigGame90
As I was telling Stu, at first I wanted to see the design & response time of the website. It was so easy to order the kits so I did. I'm fully vaccinated/boosted, wear my KN96 mask in public & keep myself relatively safe from others I don't know. I personally don't know anything about the kits but will soon find out.
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old. Thanks, Thirdperson. Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma. yep the facts r clear Of course. Any intelligent person can see that. But I guess in the end it all relates back to the Midnight1's candidate for "Politics Forum Post of the Year" when he alludes to how many people have decided they will dismiss the inconvenient facts which don't fit their narrative in favor of their own "interpretation" Like Kellyanne Conway said as a representative of the republican party: "alternative facts!"
Love how Foops is borrowing my lingo around here... "narrative", "truth" lmfao....imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
Try this "narrative" on for size...actually, talking to you is like talking to the brick wall....neither the wall nor you can comprehend but the big difference is the wall isn't scared to talk back, the wall just can't talk...
America First
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: According to the Oklahoman, Oklahoma health department reveals unvaccinated people are 9 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated in 18 to 24 years age group. 8 times higher risk for 25 to 44 years old. 10 times higher for 45 to 54 years old. 9 times higher for 55 to 64 years old. Thanks, Thirdperson. Bottom line: UNvaccinated morons are clogging up our hospitals and straining the system unnecessarily in most states, including Oklahoma. yep the facts r clear Of course. Any intelligent person can see that. But I guess in the end it all relates back to the Midnight1's candidate for "Politics Forum Post of the Year" when he alludes to how many people have decided they will dismiss the inconvenient facts which don't fit their narrative in favor of their own "interpretation" Like Kellyanne Conway said as a representative of the republican party: "alternative facts!"
Love how Foops is borrowing my lingo around here... "narrative", "truth" lmfao....imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
Try this "narrative" on for size...actually, talking to you is like talking to the brick wall....neither the wall nor you can comprehend but the big difference is the wall isn't scared to talk back, the wall just can't talk...
I need this fact checked please 3rd..... tell me the correct "narrative" to the following (hint, we know you are only a mouthpiece for Fupa and Kelly so I'm assuming whatever dribble you come up with, post as fact without any source posted, is what Fupa told you to say ;)
The Israelis have been at the forefront of this since Vaccines came out. Everything we have learned since then we got a preview for months in advance if you were paying attention to Israel. They've been ahead of the game this entire time, doesn't mean they didn't make mistakes but at least they are honest with themselves, something most Americans and much of the world cannot fathom.
Professor Cyrille Cohen is head of Immunology at Bar Ilan University and a member of the advisory committee for vaccines for the Israeli Government. In a wide-ranging and forthright interview, the Professor tells Freddie Sayers:
The Green Pass / vaccine passport concept is no longer relevant in the Omicron era and should be phased out (he expects it to be in short order in Israel)
He and his colleagues were surprised and disappointed that the vaccines did not prevent transmission, as they had originally hoped
The biggest mistake of the pandemic in Israel was closing schools and education
Widespread infection is now an inevitable part of future immunity — otherwise known as herd immunity
Omicron has accelerated the pandemic into the endemic phase, in which Covid will be “like flu”
America First
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@thirdperson
@fubah2
I need this fact checked please 3rd..... tell me the correct "narrative" to the following (hint, we know you are only a mouthpiece for Fupa and Kelly so I'm assuming whatever dribble you come up with, post as fact without any source posted, is what Fupa told you to say ;)
The Israelis have been at the forefront of this since Vaccines came out. Everything we have learned since then we got a preview for months in advance if you were paying attention to Israel. They've been ahead of the game this entire time, doesn't mean they didn't make mistakes but at least they are honest with themselves, something most Americans and much of the world cannot fathom.
Professor Cyrille Cohen is head of Immunology at Bar Ilan University and a member of the advisory committee for vaccines for the Israeli Government. In a wide-ranging and forthright interview, the Professor tells Freddie Sayers:
The Green Pass / vaccine passport concept is no longer relevant in the Omicron era and should be phased out (he expects it to be in short order in Israel)
He and his colleagues were surprised and disappointed that the vaccines did not prevent transmission, as they had originally hoped
The biggest mistake of the pandemic in Israel was closing schools and education
Widespread infection is now an inevitable part of future immunity — otherwise known as herd immunity
Omicron has accelerated the pandemic into the endemic phase, in which Covid will be “like flu”
Especially with Omicron, where we don’t see virtually any difference, there is a very narrow gap between people vaccinated and non-vaccinated, both can get infected with a virus, more or less at the same pace.
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
On the behavioural science behind the Green Pass:
You have also to understand that the Green Pass is not necessarily — and that’s not a secret — it’s not necessarily to prevent transmission. It’s also to encourage people to get vaccinated. And I don’t want to touch upon the political aspects of the green pass. But this is a reality.
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
On the risks and rewards of herd immunity:
Herd immunity is a consequence for me. It’s not an objective, it’s not a goal. There is a thin nuance here, if I may say, that people have to grasp. I’m not saying to people go and get infected, I don’t think that this is a model that we need to adopt.
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
On Israeli school closures:
There is one mistake, I think that we made, and that I’m extremely sorry for that. We have made a few mistakes, but it was education. For me education was the thing we shouldn’t have touched. Never, never.
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
On the acceleration from pandemic to endemic:
I think it’s going to be like flu, I think there is going to be bad waves and better waves, with a better immunity at the level of the population, with better vaccines with better treatment. In that sense, and I’m extremely cautious, there is a possibility that Omicron will accelerate that transition.
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
On vaccine mandates:
I think that vaccination is a personal choice. And I always said, I believe it is so. But that choice has some consequences. And here, there is a problem in society. If you are over 50, 60, and you’re saying I don’t want to get vaccinated, will you be, and I’m gonna ask a provocative question, will you be willing to renounce on the possibility of getting taken care of in hospitals?
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
America First
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KEY QUOTES
Especially with Omicron, where we don’t see virtually any difference, there is a very narrow gap between people vaccinated and non-vaccinated, both can get infected with a virus, more or less at the same pace.
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
On the behavioural science behind the Green Pass:
You have also to understand that the Green Pass is not necessarily — and that’s not a secret — it’s not necessarily to prevent transmission. It’s also to encourage people to get vaccinated. And I don’t want to touch upon the political aspects of the green pass. But this is a reality.
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
On the risks and rewards of herd immunity:
Herd immunity is a consequence for me. It’s not an objective, it’s not a goal. There is a thin nuance here, if I may say, that people have to grasp. I’m not saying to people go and get infected, I don’t think that this is a model that we need to adopt.
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
On Israeli school closures:
There is one mistake, I think that we made, and that I’m extremely sorry for that. We have made a few mistakes, but it was education. For me education was the thing we shouldn’t have touched. Never, never.
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
On the acceleration from pandemic to endemic:
I think it’s going to be like flu, I think there is going to be bad waves and better waves, with a better immunity at the level of the population, with better vaccines with better treatment. In that sense, and I’m extremely cautious, there is a possibility that Omicron will accelerate that transition.
- CYRILLE COHEN, UNHERDTV
On vaccine mandates:
I think that vaccination is a personal choice. And I always said, I believe it is so. But that choice has some consequences. And here, there is a problem in society. If you are over 50, 60, and you’re saying I don’t want to get vaccinated, will you be, and I’m gonna ask a provocative question, will you be willing to renounce on the possibility of getting taken care of in hospitals?
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