Covid-19 Good And Bad

@UNIMAN

 Seriously, don't waste your time, 

Oh, but I must! 

So first I download the Minnesota weekly data since May 2nd here; https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html

Slide on down this site's page and download the Excel file.

Then I use vaccination rates from Our World in Data. Google "vaccination rates by state" and there it is, select Minnesota.

Then I add the weekly reports for every month, take the percentage vaccinated on the 25th of the previous month as most covid cases take 4-6 days for symptoms to appear, PCR tests take about three more days and hospitalizations, deaths take two weeks and more. 

So as an example; The month of May had 1259 vaccinated cases and 17532 unvaccinated cases. The population of 5,615,872 was 32% vaccinated.  Population times 32% divided by 1259 cases gives me 1 in every 1427 vaccinated tested positive in May. Then I take population times (100-32) or 68% divided by 17532 unvaccinated cases and I get 1 in every 218 unvaccinated tested positive in May. Then take the 1427 divided by 218 and you get the unvaccinated in May were 6.6 times more likely to contract covid. Got it?

Month by month;

Month.   Vax cases  Unv cases.  Vax deaths.  Unv deaths  Vax hosp.   Unvax hosp,   

May.        1259.         17532.            25.                116.               156.            1329.              

June.         511.           2410.             7.                   16.                 76.               278.             

July.          2572.          6291.          21.                  46.               165.             528.     

Vax % for May 32%, June 42.9%, July 50.2%         

Month.   Vax cases  Unv cases.  Vax deaths.  Unv deaths  Vax hosp.   Unvax hosp,   

Aug.        14868.          27665.        125.               204.                659.             1817          

Sept.        20163.         34663.         194.              298.                856.             1914            

Oct.         33479.          46420.          370.             477.              1310.             2634

Nov.       43485.           53501.          388.              645.             1559.              3364

Vax% Aug 53.2%, Sept 55.1%, Oct 57.6%, Nov 59,3%

Month.   Vax cases  Unv cases.  Vax deaths.  Unv deaths  Vax hosp.   Unvax hosp,   

Dec.        56778.          47179.           207.            516.               1140.              2762         

Jan.        171756.      104047.           450.            401.                3238.            3324

Feb*        13243.           6892.              49.               34.                  573.              455

* February data ends week of 13th.

Vax% Dec 62.1%, Jan 65.0%, Feb 66.7%

Vaccinated vs unvaccinated;

In May the unvaxed were 6.6 times more likely to catch covid, only 2.2 times likely to die, and 4 times likely to be hospitalized.

The remainder for the unvaxed;

Month  X-case.   X- death.   X-hospitalization

June.      3.5.           1.7.            2.7

July.        2.5.           2.2.            3.2

August.  2.1.            1.9.            3.1

Sept.       2.1.            1.9.            2.7

Oct.        1.9.             1.8.            2.7

Nov.       1.8.             2.4.            3.1

Dec.        1.4.            4.1.            4.0

Jan.        1.1.            1.7.            1.9

Feb.       1.04.           1.39.         1.59

This article shead some light on why December was a good month for the vaccinated in Minn. https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-breakthrough-covid-19-trends-support-vaccine-effectiveness/600139075/

"New state breakthrough data on Monday showed that fully vaccinated Minnesotans made up 55% of 20,502 infections reported in the week ending Dec. 25, but only 26% of the 116 COVID-19 deaths. The share of deaths involving vaccinated Minnesotans was as high as 50% in mid-October, before booster doses were broadly available.

The data suggest a payoff to booster shot campaigns in Minnesota, which ranks second among states with nearly 53% of fully vaccinated residents receiving recommended extra doses, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

I agree, but as they were writing this in late Jan as the data was one month behind the vaccinated suffered in January and it appears the boosters didn't help after December.

I find the numbers shocking! Only in December did the vaccinated see an actual death rate better than 4 to 1 vs the unvaccinated.

CHECK MY NUMBERS, DO THE MATH, IT'S REAL!!!!!!

Really?  Man, come on.  You are always acting like you want a civil debate/discussion.  Then when you ask for proof and the guy starts presenting it — you give up that easily?

To me that means your mind is pre-made up.  

I always say you cannot reason someone away from something when reasoning is not what took them there in the first place.  

Since May 2nd to February 20th Minnesota data shows 2753 unvaxed dying, and maybe crying out for the vaccine as Sooooooo many news outlets have said, over and over.

And during that same time period 1836 fully vaccinated died, 706 since December 1st. Wonder what they said? Would the news report it if they did?  Maybe, "But Joe, you said I wouldn't even get the virus, let alone die!!"

ONCE UPON A TIME.................

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1509607256714878981?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1509635437534461955%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F04%2F01%2Frand-paul-once-upon-a-time-anthony-fauci-could-tell-the-truth-about-natural-immunity%2F

Covid-19 vaccine 2nd boosters are available for people 50+, you can have them at CVS, Walgreens.... many of the pharmacies offer walk-in bases. I had the 4th jab, and I saw other people took them as well at my pharmacy.  

Contrary to social media posts, data comparing vaccinated versus unvaccinated continue to be available at Center for disease control which collect from health departments across the US.  For example in February 2022, covid data tracker shows unvaccinated adults are 5-9 times more likely to be hospitalized than fully vaccinated adults.  During omicron surge, fully boosted adults are 21 times less likely to die and 7 times less likely to be hospitalized.  Some data has been slow to release because of the fear it could be misinterpreted by anti-vaxers.

So only the data that fits the narrative. 

Maybe data like Minnesota's

Or how about Michigan; https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/08/more-than-20-of-recent-covid-cases-hospitalizations-have-been-among-michigans-fully-vaccinated.html

August 2021 in Mich. ; 48% vaxed, 28.1% of hospitalizations, 15.4% of deaths the vaccinated, that is 1 in 3 the vaxed for hospitalizations and 1 in 6 dying.

By December Michigan was 54% vaxed and 24% of deaths the vaccinated, so between 1-4  to 1-5 to die.

Illinois, Seven days after Biden said get vaccinated and you won't get covid;

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/169-dead-644-hospitalized-in-illinois-breakthrough-covid-cases/2569598/

The vaccine worked very well early on, mutations slowly found ways around it, first Delta, then Omicron, and now Omicron mutants. From data examined the boosters appear to be effective for about a month only. 

Or maybe the state of Washington. Download their breakthrough numbers. Since Jan 17th 2021 to March 22, 2022, 1,983 vaccinated deaths out of 8224. 24% of deaths and notice their breakthrough chart that shows the huge increase the last several months, explains why they went all the way back to last January. 

Based on all the data I have examined; To say at the end of July that 99% are the unvaccinated was a lie. To say you are 21 times protected by vaccinated/boostered is now a lie. 

excellent points as usual  thirdperson  

thx for the relevent facts  

The CDC is warning of an accelerating mental health crisis among adolescents, with more than 4 in 10 teens reporting that they feel “persistently sad or hopeless,” and 1 in 5 saying they have contemplated suicide.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/03/31/student-mental-health-decline-cdc/

good news     thx  europa 

Anti-lockdown advocates laud Sweden natural immunity strategy.  But Los Angeles times report that Sweden's soft approach has been a disaster in the pandemic according to Karolinska institute in Stockholm.  Projected herd immunity is still nowhere in right.  Sweden covid death rate is higher than in Denmark, Norway, Finland and countries that use stronger public health measures.  Organization for economic development found that Sweden economy has performed worser than its Nordic neighbors.  Eventually, Sweden did adopt stronger measures after failure of initial policies.  Recently, Sweden has authorized more booster vaccination for seniors.  Although Barrington declaration may sound fine in theory, Swedish reality proves that it is immoral, impractical, unscientific and dangerous. 

Cheryl Shell, a Michigan woman, is eager to get a second because she is concerned about waning potency. “I’ve got to go for any protection I can get,” she said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/us/politics/second-coronavirus-booster-shot.html

I agree with her, and vaccinations are free for our protections. 

Well let us take a look on how they have done since December 1, 2021 to now. Recent data.

SWEDEN deaths per 100,000 was 31.08..........73.6% fully vaxed, 50.1% recently boostered.

Denmark deaths per 100,000 was 47.88..........82.3% fully vaxed, 62% boostered starting last fall.

Finland deaths per 100,000 was 32.94..........77.9% fully vaxed, 51.8% boostered starting last fall.

And remember Portugal? The model country for vaccination! No one left to vax!! From December 1 to now;

Portugal deaths per 100,000 was 31.76..........91.41% fully vaxed, 60.3% boostered starting last fall.

So the least vaccinated country has the best death rate since December 1, that's when Omicron hit. 

Data retrieved from World-o-meters, vaccination rates from Our World in Data. NO MEDIA OPINIONS ADDED.

Let's take a look at Germany, 75.9% fully vaccinated, 58.7% boostered, and had one of the strictest mask mandates. Mask must be medical grade and $59 fine for not wearing one.

Since December 1st to now;

Death rate of 32.98 per 100,000, remember Sweden was 31.08 per 100,000.

Case rate of 18,470 per 100,000 in Germany, Sweden case rate was 12,496 per 100,000 for same period of time.

NO WONDER DURING THE LARGEST VIRUS SURGE DURING THE PANDEMIC; https://www.dw.com/en/germany-lifts-most-covid-19-restrictions-after-difficult-compromise/a-61174654

Great, a 71 yr old retiree. Go for it. 

JUST KNOW HOW MUCH PROTECTION YOUR REALLY GETTING AND FOR HOW LONG!! SAD THE TRUTH ISN'T TOLD.

20% or even 10% more protection is good to me, and vaccination is free of charge, please consulting with your physicians. My physician has fully been vaccinated so did the clinic staffers. 

German man takes 90 vaccination shots; https://apnews.com/article/covid-health-germany-europe-document-forgery-120b2c4db8aa71ffeadf766a9829910b