Trump has never, and will never, influence my opinion on anything. Not policy. Not tie length. Not Village People songs. In the Navy>YMCA. And i'm sorry but just because you call a real issue, "a scheme", doesn't make it any less a real issue.
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Trump has never, and will never, influence my opinion on anything. Not policy. Not tie length. Not Village People songs. In the Navy>YMCA. And i'm sorry but just because you call a real issue, "a scheme", doesn't make it any less a real issue.
The irony of someone who runs to the ballot box based on dislike of a candidates personality judging people who run to the ballot box based on policy, accusing them of voting based on anger and fear, the irony is not lost on me. I'm not sure who "my side" is but I personally don't want illegals in hiding. I want them rounded up and swiftly deported without judicial process. I want Americans returning to the trades. I want incentives for hiring Americans and penalties for hiring illegals. I want a more stringent visa process. I want to stop referring to illegal interlopers as "asylum seekers".
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@wallstreetcappers
The irony of someone who runs to the ballot box based on dislike of a candidates personality judging people who run to the ballot box based on policy, accusing them of voting based on anger and fear, the irony is not lost on me. I'm not sure who "my side" is but I personally don't want illegals in hiding. I want them rounded up and swiftly deported without judicial process. I want Americans returning to the trades. I want incentives for hiring Americans and penalties for hiring illegals. I want a more stringent visa process. I want to stop referring to illegal interlopers as "asylum seekers".
Oh, and by the way. I'm a 17 year union member. And my mother was in a union and raised me pro-union. And most of my inner circle bros are also union brothers. So yeah, I prefer providing a union member a fair wage and conditions rather than hiring an illegal because he's cheap. I accept the cost being passed on to the consumer. Paying people a decent wage does more to stimulate the economy than paying an illegal who sends the majority of his wages over the border.
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@wallstreetcappers
Oh, and by the way. I'm a 17 year union member. And my mother was in a union and raised me pro-union. And most of my inner circle bros are also union brothers. So yeah, I prefer providing a union member a fair wage and conditions rather than hiring an illegal because he's cheap. I accept the cost being passed on to the consumer. Paying people a decent wage does more to stimulate the economy than paying an illegal who sends the majority of his wages over the border.
I did not disparage the union, rather I said that the added cost is passed on and you know that is 100% true, corps do not want to pay any more than they have to and down here these homebuilders have been using fringe/illegal workers for decades to save money.
You cannot in any serious fashion suggest that you can round up the bad segment of illegals, it is beyond silly to suggest that is possible. Does it get voters to the polls? Yup and that is why Vance yammered about it the other day....1.3M crime centered illegals are destroying the country. Well that is hogwash but it is a scheme, a ploy, an election strategy and it works. Down here every single freaking election cycle it is used to get GOP voters elected. There are street signs all over the place here plastered with the fear based illegal nonsense and it feeds on the fear of the uneducated GOP voter, those people do not actually research the situation NOR understand that the concept at face value sounds great but the odds of success are near zero, the cost of the concept is monsterous and the impacts from the concept are awful. There has not been a successful "round up" since that disgusting display that good ole Ike pulled off where Asians were put in camps off the WWII fear, Ike like Trump was a fascist and did not care about the consequences and harm from a sweeping ugly awful action that he made happen.
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I did not disparage the union, rather I said that the added cost is passed on and you know that is 100% true, corps do not want to pay any more than they have to and down here these homebuilders have been using fringe/illegal workers for decades to save money.
You cannot in any serious fashion suggest that you can round up the bad segment of illegals, it is beyond silly to suggest that is possible. Does it get voters to the polls? Yup and that is why Vance yammered about it the other day....1.3M crime centered illegals are destroying the country. Well that is hogwash but it is a scheme, a ploy, an election strategy and it works. Down here every single freaking election cycle it is used to get GOP voters elected. There are street signs all over the place here plastered with the fear based illegal nonsense and it feeds on the fear of the uneducated GOP voter, those people do not actually research the situation NOR understand that the concept at face value sounds great but the odds of success are near zero, the cost of the concept is monsterous and the impacts from the concept are awful. There has not been a successful "round up" since that disgusting display that good ole Ike pulled off where Asians were put in camps off the WWII fear, Ike like Trump was a fascist and did not care about the consequences and harm from a sweeping ugly awful action that he made happen.
Looks like Dementia Joe was hittin the sauce tonight. Nice comments about Trump supporters. I'm sure it will spur unity, lol. I guess his bitterness about getting ousted, along with some booze, finally got the best of him.
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Looks like Dementia Joe was hittin the sauce tonight. Nice comments about Trump supporters. I'm sure it will spur unity, lol. I guess his bitterness about getting ousted, along with some booze, finally got the best of him.
Under Biden administration, south border encounters have dropped to the lowest levels since 2017-2020. Higher percentage of migrants are removed than during Trump administration according to Pew research. Despite higher numbers of migrants from global displacement crisis and republican opposition to immigration reforms to fix system that has been broken for decades.
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Under Biden administration, south border encounters have dropped to the lowest levels since 2017-2020. Higher percentage of migrants are removed than during Trump administration according to Pew research. Despite higher numbers of migrants from global displacement crisis and republican opposition to immigration reforms to fix system that has been broken for decades.
@wallstreetcappers Democrats love to pee on you and tell you it's raining. I haven't, at any point, acted as if every illegal is some gang banger so please, let us not act as if every illegal is swinging a hammer or taking care of some rich couple's kids. Illegals add an estimated 100 billion in taxes but cost an estimated 150 million. To your point, they stimulate the economy when they pay rent, shop for goods, etc but there is also the accompanying cost in the form of law enforcement, fire, schools, transportation/road maintenence, etc. Let's stop pushing this, "we'd be lost without them" narrative. And frankly a lot of the money earned by Central/South American workforces, leaves the country. Let's stop acting like entire familes are coming here and simply setting up shop and becoming upstanding members of society. There are plenty of single, working age males, which is always a recipe for disaster, and plenty of women with fatherless children. Bringing in a ton of people who immediately join the lowest economic tier is not a good thing, regardless of how you spin in. Again, it simply drains already tapped resources. @wallstreetcappers And just so we're clear one one thing, you can't simply assign people a side to justify your combative inclinations towards them. I'm sick and tired of people telling you they aren't even "maga" for you to tell them that they are, and then proceed to dress them down. You're a covers moderator, not the final authority of people's beliefs and/or opinions. I am not, nor have I ever been, a "maga". I have beliefs that are extremely conservative. I have beliefs that are extremely liberal. I simply supported Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, and over Joe Biden. I base my political opinions on policy, not personality. It seems there are plenty on this website who are anti-Trump simply because they dislike the person he is. And these same people struggle to find policy reasons why they supported Joe Biden, or why they support Kamala Harris. Illegal immigration isca big issue with me. You can sweep it under the rug as a non-issue but I know this to be false. The economy is the economy. It will be what it is regardless of who holds office. I support many Democratic agendas. I believe in enrlvironmental protectioin. I believe in green energy development and research. And no, that doesn't mean jumping feet first in with regulations. It means research and development. Growing the sector in the right way. I also am against corporate tax cuts/incentives. For this election though, illegal immigration is my biggest issue because I have seen the effects with my own eyes, across multiple states. Kamala Harris will win my home state. I once predicted she would be the first female president when she was still DA od San Francisco. I met her more than once in those days and wa impressed. The woman I met is not who stands before us today, and i'm not sure what that party did to her but alas, I will support her if she wins. If she loses though, it won't be because the country is racist, or sexists. It will be bacause her agenda, the agenda of the democratic party, does not align with that of the American people.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
@wallstreetcappers Democrats love to pee on you and tell you it's raining. I haven't, at any point, acted as if every illegal is some gang banger so please, let us not act as if every illegal is swinging a hammer or taking care of some rich couple's kids. Illegals add an estimated 100 billion in taxes but cost an estimated 150 million. To your point, they stimulate the economy when they pay rent, shop for goods, etc but there is also the accompanying cost in the form of law enforcement, fire, schools, transportation/road maintenence, etc. Let's stop pushing this, "we'd be lost without them" narrative. And frankly a lot of the money earned by Central/South American workforces, leaves the country. Let's stop acting like entire familes are coming here and simply setting up shop and becoming upstanding members of society. There are plenty of single, working age males, which is always a recipe for disaster, and plenty of women with fatherless children. Bringing in a ton of people who immediately join the lowest economic tier is not a good thing, regardless of how you spin in. Again, it simply drains already tapped resources. @wallstreetcappers And just so we're clear one one thing, you can't simply assign people a side to justify your combative inclinations towards them. I'm sick and tired of people telling you they aren't even "maga" for you to tell them that they are, and then proceed to dress them down. You're a covers moderator, not the final authority of people's beliefs and/or opinions. I am not, nor have I ever been, a "maga". I have beliefs that are extremely conservative. I have beliefs that are extremely liberal. I simply supported Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, and over Joe Biden. I base my political opinions on policy, not personality. It seems there are plenty on this website who are anti-Trump simply because they dislike the person he is. And these same people struggle to find policy reasons why they supported Joe Biden, or why they support Kamala Harris. Illegal immigration isca big issue with me. You can sweep it under the rug as a non-issue but I know this to be false. The economy is the economy. It will be what it is regardless of who holds office. I support many Democratic agendas. I believe in enrlvironmental protectioin. I believe in green energy development and research. And no, that doesn't mean jumping feet first in with regulations. It means research and development. Growing the sector in the right way. I also am against corporate tax cuts/incentives. For this election though, illegal immigration is my biggest issue because I have seen the effects with my own eyes, across multiple states. Kamala Harris will win my home state. I once predicted she would be the first female president when she was still DA od San Francisco. I met her more than once in those days and wa impressed. The woman I met is not who stands before us today, and i'm not sure what that party did to her but alas, I will support her if she wins. If she loses though, it won't be because the country is racist, or sexists. It will be bacause her agenda, the agenda of the democratic party, does not align with that of the American people.
Under Biden administration, south border encounters have dropped to the lowest levels since 2017-2020. Higher percentage of migrants are removed than during Trump administration according to Pew research. Despite higher numbers of migrants from global displacement crisis and republican opposition to immigration reforms to fix system that has been broken for decades.
This is an absolute lie. The first three years under Biden for the highest three years in history for border encounters by a wide margin. By a chasm. Stop spreading lies.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Under Biden administration, south border encounters have dropped to the lowest levels since 2017-2020. Higher percentage of migrants are removed than during Trump administration according to Pew research. Despite higher numbers of migrants from global displacement crisis and republican opposition to immigration reforms to fix system that has been broken for decades.
This is an absolute lie. The first three years under Biden for the highest three years in history for border encounters by a wide margin. By a chasm. Stop spreading lies.
Under Biden administration, south border encounters have dropped to the lowest levels since 2017-2020. Higher percentage of migrants are removed than during Trump administration according to Pew research. Despite higher numbers of migrants from global displacement crisis and republican opposition to immigration reforms to fix system that has been broken for decades.
Let's unpack this post. "Dropped to the lowest levels since 2017-2020." Biden came to office in 2021. So all you are saying is the 2024 is on pace to be the lowest of Biden's 4 years in office? It would be hard not to be after the first three years were all record highs, after record lows under Trump.
The liberal spin cycle at work. Trump takes executive actions to stop illegal immigration. It drops to the lowest numbers in years. Decades. Biden takes office, immediately reverses all of Trumps immigration actions, takes his own executive actions to loosen border regulations, lo and behold, we see all-time highs.
Liberals: Let's call it a global displacement crisis and blame lack of immigration reform.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Under Biden administration, south border encounters have dropped to the lowest levels since 2017-2020. Higher percentage of migrants are removed than during Trump administration according to Pew research. Despite higher numbers of migrants from global displacement crisis and republican opposition to immigration reforms to fix system that has been broken for decades.
Let's unpack this post. "Dropped to the lowest levels since 2017-2020." Biden came to office in 2021. So all you are saying is the 2024 is on pace to be the lowest of Biden's 4 years in office? It would be hard not to be after the first three years were all record highs, after record lows under Trump.
The liberal spin cycle at work. Trump takes executive actions to stop illegal immigration. It drops to the lowest numbers in years. Decades. Biden takes office, immediately reverses all of Trumps immigration actions, takes his own executive actions to loosen border regulations, lo and behold, we see all-time highs.
Liberals: Let's call it a global displacement crisis and blame lack of immigration reform.
This is an absolute lie. The first three years under Biden for the highest three years in history for border encounters by a wide margin. By a chasm. .
US customs and border protection data shows that since June 2024 border encounters have dropped by 55% to the lowest level in years. Thanks to deal with Mexico and new restrictions imposed after congress bipartisan deal was blocked.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
This is an absolute lie. The first three years under Biden for the highest three years in history for border encounters by a wide margin. By a chasm. .
US customs and border protection data shows that since June 2024 border encounters have dropped by 55% to the lowest level in years. Thanks to deal with Mexico and new restrictions imposed after congress bipartisan deal was blocked.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: This is an absolute lie. The first three years under Biden for the highest three years in history for border encounters by a wide margin. By a chasm. . US customs and border protection data shows that since June 2024 border encounters have dropped by 55% to the lowest level in years. Thanks to deal with Mexico and new restrictions imposed after congress bipartisan deal was blocked.
So they have dropped in the last 5 months, in an election year, after hitting all-time highs in Biden's first 3 years? I can almosy guarantee that 2024 will be one of the highest years on record as well.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: This is an absolute lie. The first three years under Biden for the highest three years in history for border encounters by a wide margin. By a chasm. . US customs and border protection data shows that since June 2024 border encounters have dropped by 55% to the lowest level in years. Thanks to deal with Mexico and new restrictions imposed after congress bipartisan deal was blocked.
So they have dropped in the last 5 months, in an election year, after hitting all-time highs in Biden's first 3 years? I can almosy guarantee that 2024 will be one of the highest years on record as well.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: This is an absolute lie. The first three years under Biden for the highest three years in history for border encounters by a wide margin. By a chasm. . US customs and border protection data shows that since June 2024 border encounters have dropped by 55% to the lowest level in years. Thanks to deal with Mexico and new restrictions imposed after congress bipartisan deal was blocked.
This is the same nonsensical logic dems use to say "inflation is down". The bottom line is the damage has been done.......& the dems are fear mongering that it will be worse under someone else besides them?
You can't keep dishing up this stuff & expect people to buy it.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: This is an absolute lie. The first three years under Biden for the highest three years in history for border encounters by a wide margin. By a chasm. . US customs and border protection data shows that since June 2024 border encounters have dropped by 55% to the lowest level in years. Thanks to deal with Mexico and new restrictions imposed after congress bipartisan deal was blocked.
This is the same nonsensical logic dems use to say "inflation is down". The bottom line is the damage has been done.......& the dems are fear mongering that it will be worse under someone else besides them?
You can't keep dishing up this stuff & expect people to buy it.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: This is an absolute lie. The first three years under Biden for the highest three years in history for border encounters by a wide margin. By a chasm. . US customs and border protection data shows that since June 2024 border encounters have dropped by 55% to the lowest level in years. Thanks to deal with Mexico and new restrictions imposed after congress bipartisan deal was blocked.This is the same nonsensical logic dems use to say "inflation is down". The bottom line is the damage has been done.......& the dems are fear mongering that it will be worse under someone else besides them? You can't keep dishing up this stuff & expect people to buy it.
Same with crime. "Crime is dropping!" only because it was so damn high from 2021-2023.
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Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: This is an absolute lie. The first three years under Biden for the highest three years in history for border encounters by a wide margin. By a chasm. . US customs and border protection data shows that since June 2024 border encounters have dropped by 55% to the lowest level in years. Thanks to deal with Mexico and new restrictions imposed after congress bipartisan deal was blocked.This is the same nonsensical logic dems use to say "inflation is down". The bottom line is the damage has been done.......& the dems are fear mongering that it will be worse under someone else besides them? You can't keep dishing up this stuff & expect people to buy it.
Same with crime. "Crime is dropping!" only because it was so damn high from 2021-2023.
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @THEMUGG @UNIMAN I'd like to get your opinions on what took place at MSG last night. A so called comedian made a bad joke and the crowd moaned. They did not laugh or cheer as lefty news outlets reported. What took place was Trump going into a dem stronghold city and drew thousands. Speaking of "lefty news", Jeff Bezos on why the WaPo didn't endorse a candidate; Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos penned an op-ed defending the paper's "principled decision" in not endorsing a presidential candidate in the 2024 race. Bezos began the piece Monday by citing a Gallup poll showing Americans losing trust in the media, even falling below Congress, telling readers "Our profession is now the least trusted of all. Something we are doing is clearly not working." "We must be accurate, and we must be believed to be accurate. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, but we are failing on the second requirement," Bezos wrote. "Most people believe the media is biased. Anyone who doesn’t see this is paying scant attention to reality, and those who fight reality lose. Reality is an undefeated champion. It would be easy to blame others for our long and continuing fall in credibility (and, therefore, decline in impact), but a victim mentality will not help. Complaining is not a strategy. We must work harder to control what we can control to increase our credibility." A bitter pill indeed.
Thanks for responding.
I'm sure you're not surprised to learn that I saw things differently & by now I would believe we've seen the same videos. To me it wasn't just the Puerto Rico attempt at humor. I've never seen something so hateful in one of the greatest arenas in our country. It's a place where I grew up going to a rodeo & the circus. In my late teens I would go the Golden Gloves, watch Bruno Sammartino wrestle & the Knicks/Rangers in playoff games. Sadly I believe many Americans don't realize that residents of Puerto Rico are American citizens. That includes people in this forum!
The GOP campaign consistently appeals to the worst instincts in people. It wasn't just that lame comedian. Sid Rosen, a conservative shock jock, referred to Democrats by saying "The whole fucking party is a bunch of degenerates, lowlifes, person haters." What happened to our country? In my lifetime we've never spoken about each other in this manner. After 9 years of the POS being in politics, many in the country having become numb to his ridiculous statements & lies. "Lock her up!" "Grab them by the box!" "They're eating the dogs, They're eating the cats!" What kind of fucking nonsense is this? This is who you want in the oval office?
Now it's the "enemy from within." He wants to drive us further apart rather than closer together. Is that what you want? Did you see/hear Stephen Miller say "America is for Americans."
We are a nation of immigrants. I imagine our family trees have immigrants as it's roots. Think about that for a minute.
BTW...I don't pay attention to Jeff Bezos unless his wife is in the picture.
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @THEMUGG @UNIMAN I'd like to get your opinions on what took place at MSG last night. A so called comedian made a bad joke and the crowd moaned. They did not laugh or cheer as lefty news outlets reported. What took place was Trump going into a dem stronghold city and drew thousands. Speaking of "lefty news", Jeff Bezos on why the WaPo didn't endorse a candidate; Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos penned an op-ed defending the paper's "principled decision" in not endorsing a presidential candidate in the 2024 race. Bezos began the piece Monday by citing a Gallup poll showing Americans losing trust in the media, even falling below Congress, telling readers "Our profession is now the least trusted of all. Something we are doing is clearly not working." "We must be accurate, and we must be believed to be accurate. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, but we are failing on the second requirement," Bezos wrote. "Most people believe the media is biased. Anyone who doesn’t see this is paying scant attention to reality, and those who fight reality lose. Reality is an undefeated champion. It would be easy to blame others for our long and continuing fall in credibility (and, therefore, decline in impact), but a victim mentality will not help. Complaining is not a strategy. We must work harder to control what we can control to increase our credibility." A bitter pill indeed.
Thanks for responding.
I'm sure you're not surprised to learn that I saw things differently & by now I would believe we've seen the same videos. To me it wasn't just the Puerto Rico attempt at humor. I've never seen something so hateful in one of the greatest arenas in our country. It's a place where I grew up going to a rodeo & the circus. In my late teens I would go the Golden Gloves, watch Bruno Sammartino wrestle & the Knicks/Rangers in playoff games. Sadly I believe many Americans don't realize that residents of Puerto Rico are American citizens. That includes people in this forum!
The GOP campaign consistently appeals to the worst instincts in people. It wasn't just that lame comedian. Sid Rosen, a conservative shock jock, referred to Democrats by saying "The whole fucking party is a bunch of degenerates, lowlifes, person haters." What happened to our country? In my lifetime we've never spoken about each other in this manner. After 9 years of the POS being in politics, many in the country having become numb to his ridiculous statements & lies. "Lock her up!" "Grab them by the box!" "They're eating the dogs, They're eating the cats!" What kind of fucking nonsense is this? This is who you want in the oval office?
Now it's the "enemy from within." He wants to drive us further apart rather than closer together. Is that what you want? Did you see/hear Stephen Miller say "America is for Americans."
We are a nation of immigrants. I imagine our family trees have immigrants as it's roots. Think about that for a minute.
BTW...I don't pay attention to Jeff Bezos unless his wife is in the picture.
So they have dropped in the last 5 months, in an election year, after hitting all-time highs in Biden's first 3 years? I can almosy guarantee that 2024 will be one of the highest years on record as well.
Biden sold off the Strategic Oil Reserves in 2022 to keep gasoline prices down before the election. Now this year he throws tariffs on Chinese goods including EV's after Trump made it a talking point. Then he finally does "something" about the border after three years of Oh shucks folks, nothing I can do without Congress.
It's just so phoney.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
So they have dropped in the last 5 months, in an election year, after hitting all-time highs in Biden's first 3 years? I can almosy guarantee that 2024 will be one of the highest years on record as well.
Biden sold off the Strategic Oil Reserves in 2022 to keep gasoline prices down before the election. Now this year he throws tariffs on Chinese goods including EV's after Trump made it a talking point. Then he finally does "something" about the border after three years of Oh shucks folks, nothing I can do without Congress.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: So they have dropped in the last 5 months, in an election year, after hitting all-time highs in Biden's first 3 years? I can almosy guarantee that 2024 will be one of the highest years on record as well. Biden sold off the Strategic Oil Reserves in 2022 to keep gasoline prices down before the election. Now this year he throws tariffs on Chinese goods including EV's after Trump made it a talking point. Then he finally does "something" about the border after three years of Oh shucks folks, nothing I can do without Congress. It's just so phoney.
Yep.....so transparent.......& Harris touts "a new path forward" after saying she wouldn't do anything different than Biden.
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: So they have dropped in the last 5 months, in an election year, after hitting all-time highs in Biden's first 3 years? I can almosy guarantee that 2024 will be one of the highest years on record as well. Biden sold off the Strategic Oil Reserves in 2022 to keep gasoline prices down before the election. Now this year he throws tariffs on Chinese goods including EV's after Trump made it a talking point. Then he finally does "something" about the border after three years of Oh shucks folks, nothing I can do without Congress. It's just so phoney.
Yep.....so transparent.......& Harris touts "a new path forward" after saying she wouldn't do anything different than Biden.
when they call the election, when does the name calling stop? If Trump wins when does the Nazi comparison stop? If Kamala wins when does the hate that the left bring stop? 150 million legit voters will vote and 90% from both sides got sucked down the worm home who rubs it in whos face? playground bullshit....my momma said to... knock you the fudg out
Simple. If Trump goes away it stops. Sadly, he will not go away win or lose.
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Quote Originally Posted by soup-can:
when they call the election, when does the name calling stop? If Trump wins when does the Nazi comparison stop? If Kamala wins when does the hate that the left bring stop? 150 million legit voters will vote and 90% from both sides got sucked down the worm home who rubs it in whos face? playground bullshit....my momma said to... knock you the fudg out
Simple. If Trump goes away it stops. Sadly, he will not go away win or lose.
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