Immigration Issue

What I commented on was that soup cans statement that people "were forced to sponsor immigrant people in their home" was complete bullshit.You wanna argue that fact?

@MrWhatsItToYa

 You say "trump says lots of shit just to say it",that's cause trump's completely full of shit.Where I come from,we call those people bullshitters and liars,we don't try and spin it like that's normal to do.

 You say "Biden actually doesn't know what he is saying,trump does",so Stinky knew what he was saying when he was repeatedly blaming Nikki Haley for Jan 6th?

No sweat,if you don't want to indulge me,you don't have to answer.I'm fine with that.

Jesus christ dude, this is why I don't talk about your Orange Idol.  You guys are so jaded by your hatred of a man you've never met nor will ever meet in your life, someone who literally has like NO impact on what goes on in your day to day activities, but you live your life with him in your head 24/7.  It's sad and not my problem.  

I didn't try to "spin" anything.  I said he says BS and he knows its' BS.  He doesn't care.  I don't care.  YOU care.  YOUR problem, NOT mine.  GTFOH if you're gonna try to put words on this page you imagined I typed, cause they aren't there.  Nikki Haley ??  The Pelosi deal ??  Again, no clue, I don't care.  Maybe he did know or maybe he has delayed onset dementia.  If so, then guess what?  When Trump is elected 2024 POTUS we'll have to deal with 8 straight years of a man in diapers running the most powerful office on the planet.  Yay.  What fun.  

@MrWhatsItToYa

Let me lend a helping hand....here is where you can knock yourself out with the Nikki Haley / Trump dementia stuff..... 3 pages worth, have at it....

https://www.covers.com/forum/politics-87/trumps-brags-about-passing-dementia-tests-isnt-the-dunk-he-thinks-it-is-103815046/1

If they wanna raise my taxes to help cover for the situation,that's fine.I've paid for a lot worse things with my tax dollars.I don't trust anybody enough to take in,that I don't know.I don't expose myself to being taking advantage of like that,by any stranger.You want some money,that's fine.You want access to my whole life,it ain't happening.The only people I've ever given the chance to screw me over has been loved ones and relatives,and both have.So I don't give people the option to do that anymore,unless I can trust them completely.And those people are few and far between.

Give an inch,... take a mile..  Boy are you naive about the Government who will always push the envelope, like they do on all affairs.    

They may not force ""residents,"",... but I fully expect the Government to "force" Hotel / Motel owners to help "absorb" the illegals.  Can't you see this happening ????    

I find it astonishing that the DEM party is shitting on all the homeless people in our Country.  Why don't they get the same treatment ?  Oh yeah, because the DEM party looks at all these illegals as "valuable" future DEM voters.. That's why.  

The DEMs are all about Control & Power, and keeping it at any cost.  

""Would of""" ??? At yet, YOU are the one correcting people on their grammar/spelling.  Get a clue.  It's Would "Have" or Would've..  The more you know...,  you know ?  

And yet, through this discussion, you find nothing wrong w/ the millions of illegal aliens crossing the border.  Let's talk about that, instead of  you trying to change the subject.  

"Nikki Haley ?? The Pelosi deal ?? Maybe he did know or maybe he has delayed onset dementia".But didn't you say in your post 70 "trump does know what he's saying" or am I putting those words on this page that I imagined you typed,too?

"Has no impact on what goes on in your day",he has the most impact of anybody in this country on what goes on in my day,and in my future.And my children's day and my grandchildren's day.And maybe the rest of their lives.

Again you don't have to indulge me by answering if you don't want too.

@MrWhatsItToYa

 I made a simple unbiased comment, slighting both Trump and Biden.... you tried to turn it into something partisan and Pro Trump.  That's on YOU.  I'm not gonna argue something that simple....

“It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person”

-Bill Murray

You mean "keeping control & power,at any cost",like denying they lost an election and rioting to "keep control & power at any cost"?Is that the kind of "at any cost' you're talking about?

I wasn't changing the subject when I was talking about "Boy sure would of been nice if Stinky would of been able to get Mexico to pay for the wall",according to a lot of you guys,that would of solved the problem,right?They could close every border if they wanted too (even the one that the Slovenian mail order brides come in from) ,wouldn't bother me a bit.Stinky the guy who was against illegal immigrants so much,he hired them at all his properties.You been conned again guy.

And about your quote,after arguing with you,all I got to say is Bill Murray must have dealt with you once or twice before.

Again,you don't have to indulge me by trying to defend yourself with another post,saying you didn't say what you said.

@kcblitzkrieg

 If you do happen to divulge me with another response.I won't be on here all night,so I'll respond tomorrow.

 I also donate clothes to charity's instead of thrift stores.

Simple question  as I posed earlier; why do DEM city leaders let homeless people sleep outside,  while going out of their way to house illegal aliens.   Does that make any sense to you ?  

@MrWhatsItToYa

 First off, I said they are floating around a policy not voting on one.  What's your pro-noun? sir, miss/mrs, they/them?  whatever it is your out of line here, I never targeted you on this just stating my opinion.  Yes, I can read, I can read through your bullshit post above.  Anyone who has posted here at covers knows sometimes there is a misspelled word or two.  You almost always have to hit that edit button, the format here has always been funky.  I guess I should've said Mass-holes but then I would be offending those from mass hole nation, they're also called chowder heads too but that's for the MLB forum.   Then again maybe I did this just to piss someone like you off and apparently it worked.   Go ahead, spell check my post.  The next 4 years are probably going to be rough for you so hang in there 

@Brooklyncapper

 I live in NY, think you do too.  So you know even if you voted non Liberal it wont count.  Big chunks of the state are red but very rural.  My post above wasn't a TRUMP endorsement but the ultra Lib thinking is 100% or you're the enemy.  25 years ago, this state and party wasn't this extreme.  Al Gore actually represented the conservative Democrats if you can believe there was such a thing.   Mrwhatsit can fact check that too unless Wikipedia is fake news.  He ran against Joe Biden back then, I believe his campaign manager was CORN POP.  I hear he was a BAD DUDE.

Again, my opinion and if you don't like it go piss in the wind.  Joe is only running for Kamala.  She can't win against anyone, Joe will not be able to do 4 more years.  Honestly, I think he's on Alzheimer meds and the DNC should be ashamed of what they're putting him through to save their agenda.  Kamala won't get dumped as a VP pick for Joe because he will be a sexist and a racist, how dare he dump the first non-white woman VP.  

@Rush51

 I can't comment on all "Dem city leaders" or anything about other cities.I can only comment about what I have heard about the city I live around.Dem city leaders around here will let anybody sleep outside (I could sleep outside right now if I chose too).It's not illegal to sleep outside,they certainly can't control who chooses to sleep outside.See I said chooses,cause there are plenty of homeless shelters,or warming centers that any homeless person can get into.Some homeless people take advantage of that,some don't.But the city can't kidnap them and make them do or go where they don't wanna go.I'm sure a lot of people WHO CHOOSE not to go to these facilities are suffering from either mental health issues or have dependency issues with drugs or alcohol.And that's why they choose not to go to these facilities cause they can't use,while at these facilities.So to answer your question,they are not "going out of their way to house illegal aliens while letting homeless people sleep outside".They are going out of their way to give (and have for awhile,not just because migrants are being bussed in) homeless people the option to go to homeless centers if they so choose.And also giving migrants options on where they can stay.They certainly can't just leave them to die outside,without giving them some options.They are trying to do what they can for both sets of people.Why what do "Repub city leaders" do about their homeless situations?

@soup-can

 First off soup-spoon,(now this is about Illinos,I have no idea about Massachusettus)they are not "floating around a policy forcing residents to sponsor said immigrants in their homes".So that statement,like I said "is bullshit".But even though it's bullshit you go on some long rant about you going to work,leave your home with vagrants lounging on your couch watching Netflix,eating your food from the fridge.Sleeping in your beds with clean sheets.Your whole story time,is based on some bullshit lie you said you read.I see you read about as well as you spell,my pronoun is he,as in Mr.See where it says it right in my name MrWhatsItToYa?Ya you are stating your opinion,the problem is your opinion is based on some bullshit story.

Then in your post #61 you say "Not saying George W was a good president",no you are kidding about old W not being a good president,aren't you?As a matter of fact, he was one of the worst presidents.Until President Stinky got elected and made everybody else (including Nixon) look like a choir boy compared to him.But at least dumb ass George only sat there for 7 minutes after learning we were being attacked.Compared to trump sitting there for over 3 hours while watching our country be attacked,and then doing nothing for those 3 hours to stop it.Ya,what a real patriotic leader he is,right?

Time to eat some crow Mr. WITY

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/illinois-city-councilman-wants-migrants-housed-in-affluent-private-residences/ar-BB1hmkFZ?ocid=socialshare&pc=U531&cvid=b445e74c7b39472ca739ff5ba8f20e8d&ei=67

An Illinois city council member recently suggested that illegal immigrants might be housed in the homes of affluent liberals who supported President Joe Biden.

He later reported that no one had signed up to participate.

Naperville, Illinois, City Council member Josh McBroom offered up the concept during a recent discussion about illegal immigrants flocking to nearby Chicago, to WPDE-TV.

the words 'recently suggested' and 'offered up' have the same meaning as 'floating around' and to me the words 'Forcing' and 'getting pressured by the city' are the same.

this is the video in the link above, if you go to see the said bull spit you claim I spew.

Chicago suburbs are getting pressured by the city to help with migrant crisis: Josh McBroom (Fox Business)

[Quote: Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa]@Rush51  I can't comment on all "Dem city leaders" or anything about other cities.I can only comment about what I have heard about the city I live around.Dem city leaders around here will let anybody sleep outside (I could sleep outside right now if I chose too).It's not illegal to sleep outside,they certainly can't control who chooses to sleep outside.See I said chooses,cause there are plenty of homeless shelters,or warming centers that any homeless person can get into.Some homeless people take advantage of that,some don't.But the city can't kidnap them and make them do or go where they don't wanna go.I'm sure a lot of people WHO CHOOSE not to go to these facilities are suffering from either mental health issues or have dependency issues with drugs or alcohol.And that's why they choose not to go to these facilities cause they can't use,while at these facilities.So to answer your question,they are not "going out of their way to house illegal aliens while letting homeless people sleep outside".They are going out of their way to give (and have for awhile,not just because migrants are being bussed in) homeless people the option to go to homeless centers if they so choose.And also giving migrants options on where they can stay.They certainly can't just leave them to die outside,without giving them some options.They are trying to do what they can for both sets of people.Why what do "Repub city leaders" do about their homeless situations?[/Quote]

Is that a serious question...  Good luck finding a Republican that is mayor of a big city w lots of homeless.  Don't you know the inner-city votes DEM every time ? 

I appreciate the response,  but let me know when your suburb of Chicago starts asking residents to house homeless people.   I'm sure you would agree it's really odd behavior to give preference to illegal aliens over our own U.S. citizens. 

The comparison of GWB waiting 7 minutes in a Florida grade school after planes hit the Trades and Trumps 3 hours watching our country?   being attacked??

This isn't even on the same level and never will be, if you think Jan 6th and 9/11 are comparable you really are bat shit crazy. 

On a scale of 1-10 of Attacks on the USA, Jan 6th might be 4.  The 9/11 would be a 99!!

remind me again how many in congress died on Jan 6th?  

The ONLY Attack that compares to 9/11 is Pearl Harbor under Franklin D. Roosevelt, who actually married his 5th cousin.  Is it just me or is incest worse than being a dumbass?

I know the comparison was about presidents reaction time but the events that happened under these POTUS need to be included.  The morning 9/11 happened NOBODY knew what to do in those first minutes.  Everyone was frozen, you can't fault 7 minutes.  Then the pentagon was hit.  The plane that went down in PA was going for the white house.  No one can process any kind of reaction in those minutes.  

There are so many other presidents that we can only read about from the 1800's but most of them supported Slavery and even owned their own slaves.

I would rank all of them and FDR way over any recent president since WWII

Let's debate stuff.

Let us just state the facts;

--Democrats wanting to shove a bill through without Republicans having time to read it and this bill would address more funding for Ukraine and create some new rules for the border.

--Republicans say no, we want to read the bill first. Democrats say it's scattered about in several different docs, trust us and vote on it.

--The bill allows for 1.8 million more immigrants per year or 5000 a day before the President could lift a finger. He doesn't have to.

---The President does not need any new laws to stop the flow. The whole thing is a scam to either force Repub's to sign off on or blame Repubs for not doing anything on purpose.

--The media, like USA Today lie to protect the democratic party, Quote; "President Biden vows to shutdown the border if Republicans if Congress passes bipartisan deal". 

What Biden really said; “What’s been negotiated would — if passed into law — be the toughest and fairest set of reforms to secure the border we’ve ever had in our country,” Biden said in a statement. “It would give me, as President, a new emergency authority to shut down the border when it becomes overwhelmed. And if given that authority, I would use it the day I sign the bill into law.”

WHEN IT BECOMES OVERWHELMED.  THAT IS OVER 5000 A DAY AND THEN IT DOES NOT SHUTDOWN, JUST REDUCES THE AMOUNT PER DAY. IF HE DECIDES TO USE THE AUTHORITY. HE IS NOT REQUIRED. 

This a scam of the highest proportion. Exactly what I would expect from this administration. 

The word SHUTDOWN is an outright lie. 

1.8 million per year if he decides to use this new power he never needed in the first place.

2021 and 2022 averaged 1.9 million per year. 

@UNIMAN

 The money he wants is NOT for border security, its for the processing to happen on site.  There is a reason 25 (might be up to 26 now, Phil Scott anyone..Bueller..) back Texas, and there will be a comment how "they're all republican" so think about it this way.  Even Governor Mike Dunleavy of Alaska is on board.  Who is he afraid of crossing his state border?  Yukon bears or maybe the Russians?

All the states that are border states that are not siding with Abbott...  New Mex, Zona, Cali(no surprise) Washington, Min, Wisc, Mich, NY, Maine.  As far as northern states it might be a tat bit harder to get into Canada cause they are not open like Mexico.  If this influx was on this scale at the Canadian border what would the Donkey in the room be

Thats so funny, Dems are DONKEYS.  HEE HAW.  Seriously, how would Hochul react if the proposed 5000+ per month ascended on the brand-new Bills stadium that she pushed so much for, and her hubby got a gold mint job contract from BTW   

Nah just dump them in the shitty and let Adams figure it out, he already spoke out against the DNC.  

@soup-can

 If 9-11 was about AQ and OBL then why did GB not go after him into Afghanistan at all? Using Trump logic the blame for 9-11 is on the suit in the seat, that is a farce as is the farce that Biden is to blame for the Israel invasion and the Ukraine decision to toy with Russia via trying to join NATO. 9-11 was not due to Bush and none of the current stuff is about Biden either. 

I completely understood why Bush immediately formed an Iraq narrative even though AQ was not in Iraq and OBL was not ever involved or in Iraq, the whole thing was payback for his dad, I firmly to this day believe it. There is no reason why Obama was the president when OBL was finally finished, Bush was either complicit or stupid not to follow OBL and track him to where everyone with a brain cell knew he had his roots and that is NOT Iraq.

Dont fall for partisan cud chewing, be smarter than this..

@wallstreetcappers 

  If 9-11 was about AQ and OBL then why did GB not go after him into Afghanistan at all?

that is a very good question, my statements about GWB were to the 7 minute reaction and not to his 8 years of enlightenment.

I think everyone who was old enough to understand politics in the early 2000's knew it was Cheney running the show, among others.  History repeats itself right, because everyone knows now Joe isn't running anything.  

I truly hope the right doesn't blame our administration for the Israel/Hamas tragedy.  That is holy war stuff that's been going on since well... forever.  I for one don't, but I don't agree with the protests at universities.  

I'm not sure how you got me using Trump logic to blame for 9/11?  My comments to a super aggravated trump hater were about them comparing Jan 6 to 9/11, when both 'said' POTUS were sitting in term and 'their reactions' to events.

Look at all this stuff now from WallStreet and mrwhatsittoya (who happened to join in thread after abooksnitemare was boxed ) are fishing for any reason to box or ban 

at least WallStreet doesn't hide like the other deep state of covers does.  Can we still debate here?  Let's debate then