Trust me, it is not about depth at all. It is very superficial.
All Trump has to say is she wants to raise your taxes and that he wants to lower your taxes.
All he has to say is she is taking massive donations from big companies that are calling for the ouster of Khan and Kanter because they are cracking down on those companies, etc.
Then all he has to do is compare and contrast the numbers and how people felt when he was in office to when Biden was in office.
Not deep at all -- any high school student can understand it. That is the only level you need to sway the average 'Independent' voter.
@Raiders22
That is your vote and actually more MY vote than most, meaning I look for topics of depth and content and importance...that is how I evaluate and how you do. I do not see Trump as a candidate that wishes to have deep discussion about economic topics but I did see Harris already has a plan for that path she has an agenda for how she will retort his correlative association with Biden but lets see if it even happens. I think it will not, you think it will but I HOPE it does and yet I think for say 90-95% of the population it does not matter, nobody is going to be glued to the screen watching to see how Harris or Trump discuss economic depth. Now what Trump will do and has done is throw a dump truck full of nasty generalities and associations to persuade the public that Biden and the DNC are responsible for inflation and a loss of standard of living. To an educated person that comes off as a shallow dopey ploy that has no merit...now you will try and force some data and I will give a reply to that and we have a difference in the velocity of inflation and how inflation can go from zero to double digits during the term of ONE president given the scale and scope of our economy and the way our corporations use complex and efficient inventory systems. So no need to reply that yes you think it is because we have done that many times in the past and there is no value in doing it again.
I dont see Trump as interested in scoring points trying to point fingers at a VP and especially a VP who isnt going to be pushed over by his zero ego bully strategy, Harris is not going to be beat that way so the Trump-NC has to come up with some real connective tissue that puts her in the cross hairs, not that she is a DEM and was VP for Biden, that is not even close to enough to score points IMO.
@BigGame90
Obama was one of the best speakers I can remember
Nonsense. This is people's memory years removed from the time. He was not good at all off the prompter. He could deliver a speech but was not a great off-the-cuff speaker at all. Nowhere near a Clinton or Reagan, etc.
For example:
Obama off the teleprompter was an absolute trainwreck. Even with the teleprompter I'd say he was really only an average public speaker as far as public officials go. The media just fawned over him. Bill Clinton was a significantly better public speaker and may very well be in the running for best of all time.
The Media would not say it and folks felt 'guilty' to point this out.
https://www.politico.com/story/2009/03/obamas-safety-net-the-teleprompter-019663
I'm sure dems were hoping this wouldn't happen, & that Biden could hang in there long enough to possibly get re-elected & then 25 him later. But here we are on "plan B", which I'm guessing will look a lot like a replay of the Biden campaign. They'll use the go-to of "orange man-bad" & that will be enough to get their core to stick with them.......& it might just work.
Honestly in real life, there are no sides. But on Covers Politics forum, there is clearly sides, congratulations
In real life, people can disagree and still be friendly. There's no one in my life that constantly tells me and other conservatives we are in a cult. Just Covers and social media.
@wallstreetcappers
Correct. She has already attempted to 'distance' herself without abandoning it, like I said. Who knows how well it will work.
If the FED lowers rates a couple of times and the inflation continues to come down -- it will help.
But few people will care about the nuts and bolts of how either candidate will get it done -- they just want it done.
For sure, neither is an Economist -- BUT both will try to hire the advisers that will help them shape policies to achieve their goals.
The issue will continue to be how well Trump's economy did and how people felt at that time compared to the time under Biden. THAT is what people will remember.
This is where Harris will have to improve the perception.
This is the 'largest' group of voters that will matter.
Yes, both will continue with the personal jabs. But that is just what politicians nowadays do. The media likes it for quick clips. It just so happens Trump is an all-time champ at that -- stemming from his background as a cutthroat NYC developer. Politicians are too used to jabbing and not being jabbed back even harder; Trump changed all of that.
So, yes. I hope Harris does not get down to that level -- because for sure Trump would have home field advantage and experience.
But I doubt either of them will get too involved on details. It is always just generalities with candidates nowadays. It is like they are too worried about something coming back on them like Bush Sr., etc.
@Jarrett75
The nice thing about an open forum is nobody is making you read their messages and the term cult is not unique to their views that I can tell but unlike a next door neighbor (as you mention) a member on Covers you can avoid their messages and just allow them to exist and you exist without conflict.
I do not agree with their approach or classification of Trump-NC followers, but they are not breaking rules in how they are posting so you cannot cry foul or send in partisan user reports when the member has not broken a rule and expect there to be consequences and the same goes for them. Both sides send in reports that are nothing more than sour grapes about political posts, the term offensive does not mean that you disagree with someone as per the site rules. Its better just to live and let live and not get wrecked because some blank poster sets you off like they do in your case.
@StumpTownStu
Lets clarify that because you miss context.
Are the DNC guys calling a specific member directly a cult member? Can you show me where they call a specific direct member such a thing? If you find that please send in a user report and I will check that out.
Did he call a DIRECT member an insult (the context you used was completely inaccurate, go read the reply he made again...it was not as you described)? Yes he did.
A directed personal attack on a Covers MEMBER is potentially breaking the rules, making a general comment about a political party and NOT a specific member is not going to be viewed the same as if it were specifically targeted at a member.
A comparison would be the insults that the RNC side throws out at DEMS would be in this precise category you are claiming and that is why we do not immediately box or ban a general comment, unlike how we treat a targeted, specific, direct attack.
Context is kinda silly isnt it?
you dont have to watch any oif the news shows. Just go watch trumps rallies and interviews. actually take your ear plugs out and listen to his own words.
after this election you wont have to vote again lollllllllllllll
lmfaooooo if i didnt know better i would bet you actually watched a few trump rallies and interviews. You totally nailed it. I have zero to add
still using the bogey man economy stuff. People are out spending gobs of cash at the movies, concerts, sporting events, travel, vacations etc etc. Market is way up. economic numbers all going down and magas still like using the bogey man crap. They also use the gun non sense and border. 
just wait until trump is the one that takes all the magas guns away should he win. Just remember a dictator cant stay a dictator with all of us owning guns.
well trump lowering taxes for the super rich is great for them. trump doing nothing for the rest of the population is the problem
@cd329
People are out spending gobs of cash at the movies, concerts, sporting events, travel, vacations etc etc. Market is way up. economic numbers all going down and magas still like using the bogey man crap.
The financial issues are where national elections are usual won or lost during times like these. That is where the concern is for the 'swing' voters. Not the guns or and social issues. This people vote how they vote.
For example:
In the second quarter of 2024, US consumer optimism fell, mirroring levels seen at the end of 2023. Economic pessimism grew slightly, fueled by concerns over inflation, the depletion of personal savings, and perceived weakness in the labor market. These concerns left consumers somewhat conflicted: on one hand, they continued to splurge on food and apparel, but they pared back spending in other areas.
Consumer optimism declined after peaking last quarter
Together, these shifts could signal a meaningful shift in consumer spending.
Survey responses indicate that consumers were primarily concerned about rising prices,
Consumers said they expect to increase their spending over the next three months on most essential items. In this category, they expect to increase their spending on gasoline the most...
their spending on discretionary items, particularly in travel and hospitality-related categories. As we head into the summer months, we expect to see the biggest decrease in quarterly spending on international flights, hotel and resort stays, and cruises. Consumers also said they plan to reduce their home-related spending, such as on furniture and decor, while they plan to spend more on gardening supplies for the spring and summer seasons.
@cd329
well trump lowering taxes for the super rich is great for them. trump doing nothing for the rest of the population is the problem
The taxes were lowered for 'the rest of the population' NOT the 'super rich'. Go review the numbers on this.
It is a bad campaign plan to run on saying you will raise 'the rest of the population's' taxes -- especially, at a time when they are feeling the hurt of rising costs on everyday items.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/americans-credit-card-debt-hits-record-113-trillion/story?id=106990807
@cd329
Bogey man crap, dude your the king. Trump was talking to Christian groups who are known not to showup and vote in large percentages so he told them all to vote now this year, I'll fix the country in four years and you won't need to all vote again.
Your bogey man dictator garbage gets old.
lmfaoooooooooooooo so what does trump fixing the country ( like the scumbag did when he was in office before) have to do with people not having to vote again in 4 years. Your bullshit excuse makes zero sense. Even if trump magically made everything poerfect, people still need to vote in 4 years again. More spin by the maga spinsters
That's no spin. It's literally what he meant. Vote for me, an i'll fix the problems. Then you won't have to vote again. You can make up whatever fantasy narratives you like though.
There has been enough of a sample of Harris now for people to know what she's all about. Her word salads & cackling won't just fade away.
@StumpTownStu
why wont people have to vote again, no matter what trump supposedly fixes with his magic wand. So in 4 years all of us dont have to cast votes for the next president, because the country will be so perfect? I have never idolized any politician in my entire life, but you magas actually believe this guy is jesus christ.
@Raiders22
They should raise taxes on the rich! They should also double the budget of the IRS ! I know we’ve played with this topic back aways and I found a excellent article in the New Yorker that casts light on the problem.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-to-make-trump-and-the-wealthy-pay-their-taxes “ You may have to delete cookies to read”
Trump claimed a 70.000 dollar deduction for a Haircuts ??? In three years his total return payment was 1500 bucks after deductions, Common sense tell says there is problem with our flawed tax system. I personally would like to see a lot of currently-deductible things made non-deductible. That would streamline the tax code, and produce more revenue without raising the official rates.But Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Elon Musk ,CPA’s, tax lawyers, and tax preparation companies have an interest in retaining the current system.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/28/hairstyling-donald-trump-taxes-numbers-us-president-finances
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