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    President's job approval is CRUCIAL!

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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2020 - 7:54 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    38% currently approve of the job Donald Trump is doing as president Record partisan gap, with 91% of Republicans, 2% of Democrats approving Trump's job approval rating is down among most demographic groups WASHINGTON, D.C. -- President Donald Trump's approval rating is holding steady at a lower level after a sharp drop in late May and early June, with only 38% of Americans currently approving of the job he is doing. Source: https://tinyurl.com/ybm4lxeo

     

    The current poll also indicates the president's approval rating

    has dropped among independents,  from 39%  to  33%

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/ybm4lxeo

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    38% currently approve of the job Donald Trump is doing as president Record partisan gap, with 91% of Republicans, 2% of Democrats approving Trump's job approval rating is down among most demographic groups WASHINGTON, D.C. -- President Donald Trump's approval rating is holding steady at a lower level after a sharp drop in late May and early June, with only 38% of Americans currently approving of the job he is doing. Source: https://tinyurl.com/ybm4lxeo

     

    The current poll also indicates the president's approval rating

    has dropped among independents,  from 39%  to  33%

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/ybm4lxeo

     
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    KEY FACT:

    In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president, if the president had
    positive approval to disapproval poll numbers, he won re-election.
    If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost.


    There are obvious reasons why this makes perfect sense!

    *In mid-October, this unique indicator has been a near 100% predictive model !
    Read source: https://tinyurl.com/ycmcbc6l

     

    trump's job approval numbers,
    as of July 8:

     

    =  -14.2 DISapproval an_light (was -12.8 in mid-June)


    -17 ...Reuters
    -12 ...Rasmussen
    -15 ...YouGov
    -17 ...IBD/TIPP
    -13 ...Monmouth
    -14 ...CNBC
    -19 ...Politico
    -18 ...USA Today
    -16 ...NPR/PBS
    -8 .....The Hill
    -15 ...NYT/Siena College
    -19 ...GALLUP
    -14 ...Harris
    -11 ...FOX News
    -13 ...Quinnipiac
    -14 ...CNBC

    Read source:
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls

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    KEY FACT:

    In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president, if the president had
    positive approval to disapproval poll numbers, he won re-election.
    If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost.


    There are obvious reasons why this makes perfect sense!

    *In mid-October, this unique indicator has been a near 100% predictive model !
    Read source: https://tinyurl.com/ycmcbc6l

     

    trump's job approval numbers,
    as of July 8:

     

    =  -14.2 DISapproval an_light (was -12.8 in mid-June)


    -17 ...Reuters
    -12 ...Rasmussen
    -15 ...YouGov
    -17 ...IBD/TIPP
    -13 ...Monmouth
    -14 ...CNBC
    -19 ...Politico
    -18 ...USA Today
    -16 ...NPR/PBS
    -8 .....The Hill
    -15 ...NYT/Siena College
    -19 ...GALLUP
    -14 ...Harris
    -11 ...FOX News
    -13 ...Quinnipiac
    -14 ...CNBC

    Read source:
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2020 - 2:50 AM ET #28

    adolf trump's job approval numbers,
    as of July 12:

     

    =  -14.3 DISapproval an_light (was -14.2 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)

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    adolf trump's job approval numbers,
    as of July 12:

     

    =  -14.3 DISapproval an_light (was -14.2 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2020 - 9:46 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    adolf trump's job approval numbers,as of July 12:  

    =  -14.3 DISapproval  (was -14.2 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)

     

    And as a natural result, as Mdnight correctly points out,

    trump has to "blame" somebody for HIS mistakes...

     

    President Donald Trump shook up his campaign leadership on Tuesday,
    announcing he was promoting Bill Stepien to be his campaign manager
    and demoting Brad Parscale, who had been serving in that role.


    The announcement comes on the same day that two national polls
    showed the President trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden
    by double digits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    adolf trump's job approval numbers,as of July 12:  

    =  -14.3 DISapproval  (was -14.2 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)

     

    And as a natural result, as Mdnight correctly points out,

    trump has to "blame" somebody for HIS mistakes...

     

    President Donald Trump shook up his campaign leadership on Tuesday,
    announcing he was promoting Bill Stepien to be his campaign manager
    and demoting Brad Parscale, who had been serving in that role.


    The announcement comes on the same day that two national polls
    showed the President trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden
    by double digits.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2020 - 9:48 PM ET #30

    Fubah is back for all the evening news. an_cheers

    Unreal day Fubah. Goya, firing campaign manager, cutting off CDC from hospitalization data. Wild one today Fubs. peace

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    Fubah is back for all the evening news. an_cheers

    Unreal day Fubah. Goya, firing campaign manager, cutting off CDC from hospitalization data. Wild one today Fubs. peace

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: adolf trump's job approval numbers,as of July 12:   =  -14.3 DISapproval  (was -14.2 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)   And as a natural result, as Mdnight correctly points out, trump has to "blame" somebody for HIS mistakes...   President Donald Trump shook up his campaign leadership on Tuesday, announcing he was promoting Bill Stepien to be his campaign manager and demoting Brad Parscale, who had been serving in that role. The announcement comes on the same day that two national polls showed the President trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden by double digits.
    this doesnt surprise so much . he was yelling at him openly after the great tulsa disaster

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: adolf trump's job approval numbers,as of July 12:   =  -14.3 DISapproval  (was -14.2 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)   And as a natural result, as Mdnight correctly points out, trump has to "blame" somebody for HIS mistakes...   President Donald Trump shook up his campaign leadership on Tuesday, announcing he was promoting Bill Stepien to be his campaign manager and demoting Brad Parscale, who had been serving in that role. The announcement comes on the same day that two national polls showed the President trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden by double digits.
    this doesnt surprise so much . he was yelling at him openly after the great tulsa disaster

     
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2020 - 12:44 AM ET #32

    The latest Quinnipiac University survey shows Trump trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden by 15 points, a deficit that might help explain the bizarre series of attacks the President leveled at his rival during Tuesday's news conference and the shake-up in his campaign leadership on Wednesday led by his son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner.

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    The latest Quinnipiac University survey shows Trump trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden by 15 points, a deficit that might help explain the bizarre series of attacks the President leveled at his rival during Tuesday's news conference and the shake-up in his campaign leadership on Wednesday led by his son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The latest Quinnipiac University survey shows Trump trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden by 15 points, a deficit that might help explain the bizarre series of attacks the President leveled at his rival during Tuesday's news conference and the shake-up in his campaign leadership on Wednesday led by his son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner.

    As coronavirus cases surge and states rollback re-openings, former Vice President Joe Biden opens up his biggest lead this year over President Donald Trump in the race for the White House. Registered voters back Biden over Trump 52 - 37 percent, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll released today. This compares to a June 18th national poll when Biden led Trump 49 - 41 percent. Since March, Biden's lead had ranged from 8 to 11 percentage points.
    Independents are a key factor behind Biden's widening lead as they now back him 51 - 34 percent, while in June, independents were split with 43 percent for Biden and 40 percent for Trump.

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    The latest Quinnipiac University survey shows Trump trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden by 15 points, a deficit that might help explain the bizarre series of attacks the President leveled at his rival during Tuesday's news conference and the shake-up in his campaign leadership on Wednesday led by his son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner.

    As coronavirus cases surge and states rollback re-openings, former Vice President Joe Biden opens up his biggest lead this year over President Donald Trump in the race for the White House. Registered voters back Biden over Trump 52 - 37 percent, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll released today. This compares to a June 18th national poll when Biden led Trump 49 - 41 percent. Since March, Biden's lead had ranged from 8 to 11 percentage points.
    Independents are a key factor behind Biden's widening lead as they now back him 51 - 34 percent, while in June, independents were split with 43 percent for Biden and 40 percent for Trump.

     
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    adolf trump's job approval numbers,


    as of July 16:

     

    =  -14.0 DISapproval an_light (was -14.3 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)

     

    Number ticked down from a near -15 average only because of an outlier poll for right-leaning RASMUSSEN which only has adolf at -4 this time, when ALL other polls the past 3 weeks are mid-double-digits

     

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    adolf trump's job approval numbers,


    as of July 16:

     

    =  -14.0 DISapproval an_light (was -14.3 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)

     

    Number ticked down from a near -15 average only because of an outlier poll for right-leaning RASMUSSEN which only has adolf at -4 this time, when ALL other polls the past 3 weeks are mid-double-digits

     

     
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    as of July 18:

     

    =  -14.3   an_light (was -14.3 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)

    Back to  -14.3 this weekend (rolling average)

    In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president, if the president had
    positive approval to disapproval poll numbers, he won re-election.
    If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost

    *In mid-October, this unique indicator has been a near 100% predictive model !
    Read source: https://tinyurl.com/ycmcbc6l

     

     

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    as of July 18:

     

    =  -14.3   an_light (was -14.3 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)

    Back to  -14.3 this weekend (rolling average)

    In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president, if the president had
    positive approval to disapproval poll numbers, he won re-election.
    If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost

    *In mid-October, this unique indicator has been a near 100% predictive model !
    Read source: https://tinyurl.com/ycmcbc6l

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2020 - 12:06 AM ET #36

    CNBC "State of Play" Poll


    July 10-12, 2020
    = 1258 likely voters; 2.76% MOE
    *no discernable poll bias!


    Q: Who do you think would do a better job handling each of the following:
    Donald Trump & Republicans - OR - Joe Biden & Democrats?
    Pandemic?
    44% ...trump
    56% ...BIDEN!!!! an_light

    The economy?
    48% ...trump
    52% ...BIDEN !!!!!!!!!! an_light

    Putting the middle class FIRST?
    45% ...trump
    55% ...BIDEN!!!!! an_light

    Making HEALTH CARE more affordable?
    43% ...trump
    57% ...BIDEN !!!!! an_light

     


    Q: Net favorability vs UNfavorability?
    -8 pts ...Joe Biden
    -15 pts...trump

    -10 pts...Democrats
    -15 pts...REPUBLICANS


    Q: NET approval of the job trump is doing handling
    each of the following issues:
    - 8 ....economy
    -18 ...trump-virus
    -14 ...immigration

    Q: Approval or disapproval of the job trump ensuring economic relief for COVID-19
    goes to those who need it most, NOT the wealthy and well-connected
    45% ...approve
    55% ...DISapprove ! an_light

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/y4p6kqwv

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    CNBC "State of Play" Poll


    July 10-12, 2020
    = 1258 likely voters; 2.76% MOE
    *no discernable poll bias!


    Q: Who do you think would do a better job handling each of the following:
    Donald Trump & Republicans - OR - Joe Biden & Democrats?
    Pandemic?
    44% ...trump
    56% ...BIDEN!!!! an_light

    The economy?
    48% ...trump
    52% ...BIDEN !!!!!!!!!! an_light

    Putting the middle class FIRST?
    45% ...trump
    55% ...BIDEN!!!!! an_light

    Making HEALTH CARE more affordable?
    43% ...trump
    57% ...BIDEN !!!!! an_light

     


    Q: Net favorability vs UNfavorability?
    -8 pts ...Joe Biden
    -15 pts...trump

    -10 pts...Democrats
    -15 pts...REPUBLICANS


    Q: NET approval of the job trump is doing handling
    each of the following issues:
    - 8 ....economy
    -18 ...trump-virus
    -14 ...immigration

    Q: Approval or disapproval of the job trump ensuring economic relief for COVID-19
    goes to those who need it most, NOT the wealthy and well-connected
    45% ...approve
    55% ...DISapprove ! an_light

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/y4p6kqwv

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2020 - 12:53 AM ET #37

    ECONOMIST/YouGov poll

    1500 (1242 RV) 3.3% MOE, July 12 - 14, 2020
    Source: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/hpupr0zhkl/econTabReport.pdf

    *NOTE:
    Before trump-worshippers here wet their collective panties,
    to eliminate poll bias, I show the responses from "MODERATES"
    (ie, niether Liberals, nor Conservatives)
    MODERATES decide elections!

     

    Q: Is president Donald Trump  HONEST & TRUSTWORTHY?


    MODERATES say:

    22% ... Yes, he's totally honest & trustworthy

    63% ..aaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! an_light

     

     

    Q: Do you approve or disapprove of the way trump is handling his job as President?


    MODERATES say:
    29% ... approve
    65% ...DISapprove!!! an_light

     

    Q: Do you think the U.S. economy will get better, get worse or stay the same
    if Joe Biden is elected President in 2020?


    MODERATES say:
    36% ...Better under Biden!
    32% ...worse
    14% ...stay same

     

    Q: Do you think the U.S. economy will get better, get worse or stay the same
    if trump is reelected President?


    MODERATES say:
    27% ...better
    46% ...WORSE under trump! an_light
    14% ...stay same

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    ECONOMIST/YouGov poll

    1500 (1242 RV) 3.3% MOE, July 12 - 14, 2020
    Source: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/hpupr0zhkl/econTabReport.pdf

    *NOTE:
    Before trump-worshippers here wet their collective panties,
    to eliminate poll bias, I show the responses from "MODERATES"
    (ie, niether Liberals, nor Conservatives)
    MODERATES decide elections!

     

    Q: Is president Donald Trump  HONEST & TRUSTWORTHY?


    MODERATES say:

    22% ... Yes, he's totally honest & trustworthy

    63% ..aaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! an_light

     

     

    Q: Do you approve or disapprove of the way trump is handling his job as President?


    MODERATES say:
    29% ... approve
    65% ...DISapprove!!! an_light

     

    Q: Do you think the U.S. economy will get better, get worse or stay the same
    if Joe Biden is elected President in 2020?


    MODERATES say:
    36% ...Better under Biden!
    32% ...worse
    14% ...stay same

     

    Q: Do you think the U.S. economy will get better, get worse or stay the same
    if trump is reelected President?


    MODERATES say:
    27% ...better
    46% ...WORSE under trump! an_light
    14% ...stay same

     
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    as of July 22:

     

     *There is slight movement today due to an "outlier" poll

    Politico poll has trump at -17 approval

    YouGov poll has trump at -14 approval

    ...but the right-leaning Rasmussen poll has trump only at -1...this is a clear outlier

    Of the last 50 polls, only 6 were NOT double-digit negative approval....and the previous best was -6.

     

    =  -13.7   an_light (was -14.3 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)

     

    In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president, if the president had
    positive approval to disapproval poll numbers, he won re-election.
    If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost

    *In mid-October, this unique indicator has been a near 100% predictive model !
    Read source: https://tinyurl.com/ycmcbc6l

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    as of July 22:

     

     *There is slight movement today due to an "outlier" poll

    Politico poll has trump at -17 approval

    YouGov poll has trump at -14 approval

    ...but the right-leaning Rasmussen poll has trump only at -1...this is a clear outlier

    Of the last 50 polls, only 6 were NOT double-digit negative approval....and the previous best was -6.

     

    =  -13.7   an_light (was -14.3 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)

     

    In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president, if the president had
    positive approval to disapproval poll numbers, he won re-election.
    If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost

    *In mid-October, this unique indicator has been a near 100% predictive model !
    Read source: https://tinyurl.com/ycmcbc6l

     
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    Outlier polls proved to be right in 2016..should not be overlooked....

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    Outlier polls proved to be right in 2016..should not be overlooked....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    as of July 22:    *There is slight movement today due to an "outlier" poll Politico poll has trump at -17 approval YouGov poll has trump at -14 approval ...but the right-leaning Rasmussen poll has trump only at -1...this is a clear outlier Of the last 50 polls, only 6 were NOT double-digit negative approval....and the previous best was -6.   =  -13.7   (was -14.3 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)   In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president, if the president hadpositive approval to disapproval poll numbers, he won re-election.If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost *In mid-October, this unique indicator has been a near 100% predictive model !Read source: https://tinyurl.com/ycmcbc6l
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    as of July 22:    *There is slight movement today due to an "outlier" poll Politico poll has trump at -17 approval YouGov poll has trump at -14 approval ...but the right-leaning Rasmussen poll has trump only at -1...this is a clear outlier Of the last 50 polls, only 6 were NOT double-digit negative approval....and the previous best was -6.   =  -13.7   (was -14.3 last week.....was -12.8 in mid-June)   In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president, if the president hadpositive approval to disapproval poll numbers, he won re-election.If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost *In mid-October, this unique indicator has been a near 100% predictive model !Read source: https://tinyurl.com/ycmcbc6l
    goodpost

     
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    Fubah,

    Whats the report on the latest polls today? I heard Fat Donnie is raging at Fox again today because the latest Fox poll has him with falling approval numbers again? It's funny how the guy claims that the polls mean nothing, yet whines and complains whenever new polls showing his approval numbers and chances for 2020 falling by the day. an_roll_laugh

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    Fubah,

    Whats the report on the latest polls today? I heard Fat Donnie is raging at Fox again today because the latest Fox poll has him with falling approval numbers again? It's funny how the guy claims that the polls mean nothing, yet whines and complains whenever new polls showing his approval numbers and chances for 2020 falling by the day. an_roll_laugh

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Fubah, Whats the report on the latest polls today?
    I heard Fat Donnie is raging at Fox again today because the latest Fox poll
    has him with falling approval numbers again?

    It's funny how the guy claims that the polls mean nothing,
    yet whines and complains whenever new polls showing his approval numbers
    and chances for 2020 falling by the day.

    cool  Glad you asked...

    Well the trail of NEGATIVITY that trump has brought upon himself continues...an_beatup

    the latest FOX News poll released today shows trump getting his a** kicked badly:

    Biden +11 in Pennsylvania (very crucial 20 electoral votes!)

    Biden +13 in Minnesota (where GOP had faint hopes of flipping, at one time)

    Biden +9 in MICHIGAN (which was a .3% lucky win for trump in 2016)

     

    And yesterday's 2 polls showed Biden in crucial FLORIDA a solid +6 in the St.Pete poll, but even better at +13 in the well respected Quinnipiac poll

    More to come from the poll questions, which will show MODERATES responses to rule out party bias.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Fubah, Whats the report on the latest polls today?
    I heard Fat Donnie is raging at Fox again today because the latest Fox poll
    has him with falling approval numbers again?

    It's funny how the guy claims that the polls mean nothing,
    yet whines and complains whenever new polls showing his approval numbers
    and chances for 2020 falling by the day.

    cool  Glad you asked...

    Well the trail of NEGATIVITY that trump has brought upon himself continues...an_beatup

    the latest FOX News poll released today shows trump getting his a** kicked badly:

    Biden +11 in Pennsylvania (very crucial 20 electoral votes!)

    Biden +13 in Minnesota (where GOP had faint hopes of flipping, at one time)

    Biden +9 in MICHIGAN (which was a .3% lucky win for trump in 2016)

     

    And yesterday's 2 polls showed Biden in crucial FLORIDA a solid +6 in the St.Pete poll, but even better at +13 in the well respected Quinnipiac poll

    More to come from the poll questions, which will show MODERATES responses to rule out party bias.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2020 - 6:48 PM ET #43

    Those numbers look good Fubah for Independents like ourselves, who are seeking to return the country to a place of decency and respectability. peace_5

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    Those numbers look good Fubah for Independents like ourselves, who are seeking to return the country to a place of decency and respectability. peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Outlier polls proved to be right in 2016..should not be overlooked....

    And "outlier" polls (ie, either demographic fluke, or heavy poll bias) prove to be WRONG about 90%+ of the time overall....so what should a wise, seasoned, smart, intelligent "sports handicapper" do in making an assessment....put an EQUAL amount of weight to the results of a "one-off" vs. the overwhelming majority stats that oppose it?

    Admittedly, for SOME, that might be a really tough question. SUch people confuse easily.

    But for those of us with a reasonable grasp of the concept of "probability" - well we know what to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Outlier polls proved to be right in 2016..should not be overlooked....

    And "outlier" polls (ie, either demographic fluke, or heavy poll bias) prove to be WRONG about 90%+ of the time overall....so what should a wise, seasoned, smart, intelligent "sports handicapper" do in making an assessment....put an EQUAL amount of weight to the results of a "one-off" vs. the overwhelming majority stats that oppose it?

    Admittedly, for SOME, that might be a really tough question. SUch people confuse easily.

    But for those of us with a reasonable grasp of the concept of "probability" - well we know what to do...

     
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    The Trump administration plans to announce that it will allow the sale of armed drones to other nations and bypass part of an international weapons export control agreement that the U.S. helped forge decades ago.

    Do we really want to do this?

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    The Trump administration plans to announce that it will allow the sale of armed drones to other nations and bypass part of an international weapons export control agreement that the U.S. helped forge decades ago.

    Do we really want to do this?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    .... And "outlier" polls (ie, either demographic fluke, or heavy poll bias) prove to be WRONG about 90%+ of the time overall....so what should a wise, seasoned, smart, intelligent "sports handicapper" do in making an assessment....put an EQUAL amount of weight to the results of a "one-off" vs. the overwhelming majority stats that oppose it? Admittedly, for SOME, that might be a really tough question. SUch people confuse easily. But for those of us with a reasonable grasp of the concept of "probability" - well we know what to do...

    Oh Yes, the concept of probability..every time a coin is tossed there's a 50% chance it will be heard..I see..

     

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    .... And "outlier" polls (ie, either demographic fluke, or heavy poll bias) prove to be WRONG about 90%+ of the time overall....so what should a wise, seasoned, smart, intelligent "sports handicapper" do in making an assessment....put an EQUAL amount of weight to the results of a "one-off" vs. the overwhelming majority stats that oppose it? Admittedly, for SOME, that might be a really tough question. SUch people confuse easily. But for those of us with a reasonable grasp of the concept of "probability" - well we know what to do...

    Oh Yes, the concept of probability..every time a coin is tossed there's a 50% chance it will be heard..I see..

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    The Trump administration plans to announce that it will allow the sale of armed drones to other nations and bypass part of an international weapons export control agreement that the U.S. helped forge decades ago. Do we really want to do this?

    No!

    But of course that automatically means trump wants to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    The Trump administration plans to announce that it will allow the sale of armed drones to other nations and bypass part of an international weapons export control agreement that the U.S. helped forge decades ago. Do we really want to do this?

    No!

    But of course that automatically means trump wants to.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president,
    if the incumbent had positive approval to disapproval poll numbers,
    he won re-election.
    If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost.
    There are obvious reasons why this makes perfect sense!

    Read source: https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-...ction-pattern

    Currently, trump's rolling average net-negative approval is still  -13.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president,
    if the incumbent had positive approval to disapproval poll numbers,
    he won re-election.
    If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost.
    There are obvious reasons why this makes perfect sense!

    Read source: https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-...ction-pattern

    Currently, trump's rolling average net-negative approval is still  -13.8

     
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    Things could change dramatically,,between now and mid-October...that could effect President Trumps approvale.g A cure for Covid-19, Biden's pick for VP doesn't go over big and something comes out about what Biden is really doing down in that basement all day and late at night,,,the October surprise and many ,many more things..right now it's too early to take much stock in these ratings ..

    Remember,,,most polls are not intended to inform but to discourage Trump supporters, in the hopes that many stay home on Election Day.

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    Things could change dramatically,,between now and mid-October...that could effect President Trumps approvale.g A cure for Covid-19, Biden's pick for VP doesn't go over big and something comes out about what Biden is really doing down in that basement all day and late at night,,,the October surprise and many ,many more things..right now it's too early to take much stock in these ratings ..

    Remember,,,most polls are not intended to inform but to discourage Trump supporters, in the hopes that many stay home on Election Day.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president, if the incumbent had positive approval to disapproval poll numbers, he won re-election. If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost.There are obvious reasons why this makes perfect sense! Read source: https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-...ction-pattern Currently, trump's rolling average net-negative approval is still  -13.8

    Correction -13.9

    And waaaaay outside the margin of error!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: In the last 10 presidential elections with an INCUMBENT president, if the incumbent had positive approval to disapproval poll numbers, he won re-election. If he had net negative approval numbers, he lost.There are obvious reasons why this makes perfect sense! Read source: https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-...ction-pattern Currently, trump's rolling average net-negative approval is still  -13.8

    Correction -13.9

    And waaaaay outside the margin of error!

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