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    THEMUGG
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2024 - 10:32 PM ET #201

    Dementia Joe says "don't".

     Iran's reply? ......."fuck you"

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    Dementia Joe says "don't".

     Iran's reply? ......."fuck you"

    thumbs_down

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2024 - 10:39 PM ET #202

    @THEMUGG

     I agree, Iran is emboldened after Trump blew up the Iran deal and pulled all the inspectors out of Iran, allowing Iran to rebuild their stockpile. 

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    @THEMUGG

     I agree, Iran is emboldened after Trump blew up the Iran deal and pulled all the inspectors out of Iran, allowing Iran to rebuild their stockpile. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2024 - 10:40 PM ET #203

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Dementia Joe says "don't".  Iran's reply? ......."fuck you"

    maga speake translation ::

    "everything in the world is all joe bidens fault no matter what" an_arsed

     

    and the democrats angry

     

     

     

     

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Dementia Joe says "don't".  Iran's reply? ......."fuck you"

    maga speake translation ::

    "everything in the world is all joe bidens fault no matter what" an_arsed

     

    and the democrats angry

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
    THEMUGG
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2024 - 11:17 PM ET #204

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe says "don't".  Iran's reply? ......."fuck you" maga speake translation :: "everything in the world is all joe bidens fault no matter what"    and the democrats
    Awwww, poor lib.....can't find any defense for your fearless leader? an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Dementia Joe says "don't".  Iran's reply? ......."fuck you" maga speake translation :: "everything in the world is all joe bidens fault no matter what"    and the democrats
    Awwww, poor lib.....can't find any defense for your fearless leader? an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2024 - 11:34 PM ET #205

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    sAwwww, poor lib.....can't find any defense for your fearless leader?

    maga speake translation ::

    "everything in the world is all joe bidens fault no matter what , only trump fascism is the answer "  an_arsed

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    sAwwww, poor lib.....can't find any defense for your fearless leader?

    maga speake translation ::

    "everything in the world is all joe bidens fault no matter what , only trump fascism is the answer "  an_arsed

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2024 - 11:44 PM ET #206

    There is no need to make insults on either side. If you want to fight or make insults please do so only in the box not in this area.

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    There is no need to make insults on either side. If you want to fight or make insults please do so only in the box not in this area.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2024 - 8:33 AM ET #207

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    @THEMUGG  I agree, Iran is emboldened after Trump blew up the Iran deal and pulled all the inspectors out of Iran, allowing Iran to rebuild their stockpile.

    That $8 billion dollar gift on 9/11/23 certainly had nothing to do with it. an_light

     

    So far Biden has funded;

    -Russia, by OKing Nordstream II.  ( then vowed to stop it)

    -Houthis, by taking them off the terror watch list and sending money to Yemin ( then had to out them back on the list)

    -UNRWA; Even though watch groups had said they were supporting HAMAS. (Then sends millions in weapons to Israel to fight HAMAS)

    -Iran, releases $8 billion in frozen assests only to watch Iran help and fund HAMAS and now attack Israel. 

     

    Heard Iran purchased a case of Joe Biden stickers that say "I did that" and stuck them on their drones and missiles.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    @THEMUGG  I agree, Iran is emboldened after Trump blew up the Iran deal and pulled all the inspectors out of Iran, allowing Iran to rebuild their stockpile.

    That $8 billion dollar gift on 9/11/23 certainly had nothing to do with it. an_light

     

    So far Biden has funded;

    -Russia, by OKing Nordstream II.  ( then vowed to stop it)

    -Houthis, by taking them off the terror watch list and sending money to Yemin ( then had to out them back on the list)

    -UNRWA; Even though watch groups had said they were supporting HAMAS. (Then sends millions in weapons to Israel to fight HAMAS)

    -Iran, releases $8 billion in frozen assests only to watch Iran help and fund HAMAS and now attack Israel. 

     

    Heard Iran purchased a case of Joe Biden stickers that say "I did that" and stuck them on their drones and missiles.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2024 - 2:06 PM ET #208

    @UNIMAN

      I saw a car a while ago that had a big dent in the door & someone put one of those stickers on it. an_roll_laugh

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    @UNIMAN

      I saw a car a while ago that had a big dent in the door & someone put one of those stickers on it. an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2024 - 3:52 PM ET #209

    Security advisor Bolton says Trump is delusional for claiming middle East war would not occur under his watch.

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    Security advisor Bolton says Trump is delusional for claiming middle East war would not occur under his watch.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2024 - 8:11 PM ET #210

    FORMER National Security Advisor Bolton said; What we had tonight was a massive failure of Israeli and American deterrence. Massive failure," he told anchor Wolf Blitzer. "A 200 ballistic missile, cruise missile, drone failure."

     

    I think that means by definition, Israel's response — and there should be a response — should not be proportionate," he told Blitzer. "It should be far stronger because when deterrence fails to re-establish, you have to teach the adversary that any gain they may hope to get by any future attack will be more than outweighed by the damage that will be called."

     Bolton, who was instrumental in the Trump administration's withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal, then suggested that the Israeli government should use the attack to "destroy" Iran's nuclear weapons program.

    Bolton also blasted the Biden administration for what he said was its "weak" posture toward Iran.

    WAR MONGER!

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    FORMER National Security Advisor Bolton said; What we had tonight was a massive failure of Israeli and American deterrence. Massive failure," he told anchor Wolf Blitzer. "A 200 ballistic missile, cruise missile, drone failure."

     

    I think that means by definition, Israel's response — and there should be a response — should not be proportionate," he told Blitzer. "It should be far stronger because when deterrence fails to re-establish, you have to teach the adversary that any gain they may hope to get by any future attack will be more than outweighed by the damage that will be called."

     Bolton, who was instrumental in the Trump administration's withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal, then suggested that the Israeli government should use the attack to "destroy" Iran's nuclear weapons program.

    Bolton also blasted the Biden administration for what he said was its "weak" posture toward Iran.

    WAR MONGER!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2024 - 8:20 PM ET #211

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Security advisor Bolton says

    Trump is delusional for claiming middle East war would not occur under his watch.

    Trump is delusional period. So Bolton's statement is correct.

     

    The worst ranked president in the history of our country also said Iran would not  attack Americans if he was president. lielielie

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Security advisor Bolton says

    Trump is delusional for claiming middle East war would not occur under his watch.

    Trump is delusional period. So Bolton's statement is correct.

     

    The worst ranked president in the history of our country also said Iran would not  attack Americans if he was president. lielielie

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2024 - 11:49 PM ET #212

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    @THEMUGG  I agree, Iran is emboldened after Trump blew up the Iran deal and pulled all the inspectors out of Iran, allowing Iran to rebuild their stockpile.

    Indeed, on May 8, 2018. By Trump.

    Just another example of Trump screwing things up, and leaving the mess for others !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    @THEMUGG  I agree, Iran is emboldened after Trump blew up the Iran deal and pulled all the inspectors out of Iran, allowing Iran to rebuild their stockpile.

    Indeed, on May 8, 2018. By Trump.

    Just another example of Trump screwing things up, and leaving the mess for others !

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2024 - 7:50 AM ET #213

    Yeah, if it wasn't for Trump we would have inspectors in Iran making sure drones and cruise missles weren't being built or purchased. an_roll_laugh

    Are these people tuned in to reality???? Really??

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    Yeah, if it wasn't for Trump we would have inspectors in Iran making sure drones and cruise missles weren't being built or purchased. an_roll_laugh

    Are these people tuned in to reality???? Really??

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2024 - 7:52 AM ET #214

    Bolton; MASSIVE FAILURE, WEAK BIDEN.

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    Bolton; MASSIVE FAILURE, WEAK BIDEN.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2024 - 11:04 AM ET #215

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The scheme Israel is pushing seems to be working but I hope the US holds back and finds a way to not get involved and force Israel to take care of their own affairs. It will end very badly for the US for allies in Europe and for Israel if we get pulled in.

     

    peace_5

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The scheme Israel is pushing seems to be working but I hope the US holds back and finds a way to not get involved and force Israel to take care of their own affairs. It will end very badly for the US for allies in Europe and for Israel if we get pulled in.

     

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2024 - 11:07 AM ET #216

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     An unprecedented Iranian TERRORIST attack targeting Israel thrusts the region into uncharted waters

     

    "unprecedented terrorist attack" must mean the same as "response to bombing sovereign Embassy of foreign Country"..... 

     

    Israel bombs Iranian embassy in Syria

    DAMASCUS, April 1 (Reuters) - Suspected Israeli warplanes bombed Iran's embassy in Syria on Monday in a strike that Iran said killed seven of its military advisers, including three senior commanders, marking a major escalation in Israel's war with its regional adversaries.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-bombs-iran-embassy-syria-iranian-commanders-among-dead-2024-04-01/

     

    Time is a flat circle....
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    @Zeus4par

     An unprecedented Iranian TERRORIST attack targeting Israel thrusts the region into uncharted waters

     

    "unprecedented terrorist attack" must mean the same as "response to bombing sovereign Embassy of foreign Country"..... 

     

    Israel bombs Iranian embassy in Syria

    DAMASCUS, April 1 (Reuters) - Suspected Israeli warplanes bombed Iran's embassy in Syria on Monday in a strike that Iran said killed seven of its military advisers, including three senior commanders, marking a major escalation in Israel's war with its regional adversaries.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-bombs-iran-embassy-syria-iranian-commanders-among-dead-2024-04-01/

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2024 - 11:18 AM ET #217

    Our esteemed POTUS, Mr. Jeo Boden, told Iran not to do "it" last Friday.....then they went and "did it"           

     

    Biden says he expects Iran to attack Israel soon, warns: 'Don't'

    WASHINGTON, April 12 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday said he expected Iran to attack Israel "sooner, rather than later" and warned Tehran not to proceed.
    Asked by reporters about his message to Iran, Biden said simply, "Don't," and he underscored Washington's commitment to defend Israel.
    "We are devoted to the defense of Israel. We will support Israel. We will help defend Israel and Iran will not succeed," he said.
    Israel braced on Friday for an attack by Iran or its proxies as warnings grew of retaliation for an attack on Iran's embassy compound last week in Damascus that killed a senior commander in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps' overseas Quds Force and six other officers.

           

     

     

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Our esteemed POTUS, Mr. Jeo Boden, told Iran not to do "it" last Friday.....then they went and "did it"           

     

    Biden says he expects Iran to attack Israel soon, warns: 'Don't'

    WASHINGTON, April 12 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday said he expected Iran to attack Israel "sooner, rather than later" and warned Tehran not to proceed.
    Asked by reporters about his message to Iran, Biden said simply, "Don't," and he underscored Washington's commitment to defend Israel.
    "We are devoted to the defense of Israel. We will support Israel. We will help defend Israel and Iran will not succeed," he said.
    Israel braced on Friday for an attack by Iran or its proxies as warnings grew of retaliation for an attack on Iran's embassy compound last week in Damascus that killed a senior commander in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps' overseas Quds Force and six other officers.

           

     

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2024 - 12:05 PM ET #218

    @kcblitzkrieg

     And then one can go back and point at Iran helping with the Hamas attack that killed and tortured over a thousand. Which then Israel attacked the Iranian military minds they felt were responsible. Which then Iran launched hundreds of drones and missles.

    Around and around we go.

    No different then when I was a teenager in the 70's. With the exception of those in the U.S. siding with the attackers and their accomplices. 

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    @kcblitzkrieg

     And then one can go back and point at Iran helping with the Hamas attack that killed and tortured over a thousand. Which then Israel attacked the Iranian military minds they felt were responsible. Which then Iran launched hundreds of drones and missles.

    Around and around we go.

    No different then when I was a teenager in the 70's. With the exception of those in the U.S. siding with the attackers and their accomplices. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2024 - 12:19 PM ET #219

    @UNIMAN

     

    Round and round indeed peace_5

    Fun note.... real Hamas leadership resides in Qatar.  These are the money guys, the ones with the real power who pull the strings alongside their Iranian partners.  

    Iranian military targets were just tit for tat strikes.  Israeli intelligence knows exactly where the vip targets are.....one only need ask themselves why these individuals have been spared since October... 

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Round and round indeed peace_5

    Fun note.... real Hamas leadership resides in Qatar.  These are the money guys, the ones with the real power who pull the strings alongside their Iranian partners.  

    Iranian military targets were just tit for tat strikes.  Israeli intelligence knows exactly where the vip targets are.....one only need ask themselves why these individuals have been spared since October... 

     
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    This isnt about Biden or the US actually...to me this is Israel trying to push their military agenda while the iron is hot and hoping that the US will step in if things get bad. This entire situation is completely the fault of Israel and continues to be all due to their aggressive decisions. Iran is not interested in bringing the US and NATO and Europe into the region but they for sure will not stand by while Israel takes aggressive actions and taunts them to respond or not.

    I find it poor that a war monger like Bolton throws Biden into the situation much like he did with Trump, Bolton does not care about the consequence or loss of life due to engaging with Iran, he is all about not being bullied and unfortunately that perspective is wrong and it is the perspective Israel is HOPING the US will be trapped into joining.

    I dont get why the US and NATO stands up to Israel and makes them decide the course of action they take and that there will be no bail out when they continue to forward this BIBI agenda. It shows that there are very powerful members of society in the US and Europe who support Israel and their money/power continues to make this situation get worse and worse.

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    This isnt about Biden or the US actually...to me this is Israel trying to push their military agenda while the iron is hot and hoping that the US will step in if things get bad. This entire situation is completely the fault of Israel and continues to be all due to their aggressive decisions. Iran is not interested in bringing the US and NATO and Europe into the region but they for sure will not stand by while Israel takes aggressive actions and taunts them to respond or not.

    I find it poor that a war monger like Bolton throws Biden into the situation much like he did with Trump, Bolton does not care about the consequence or loss of life due to engaging with Iran, he is all about not being bullied and unfortunately that perspective is wrong and it is the perspective Israel is HOPING the US will be trapped into joining.

    I dont get why the US and NATO stands up to Israel and makes them decide the course of action they take and that there will be no bail out when they continue to forward this BIBI agenda. It shows that there are very powerful members of society in the US and Europe who support Israel and their money/power continues to make this situation get worse and worse.

     
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     I dont get why the US and NATO stands up to Israel and makes them decide the course of action they take and that there will be no bail out when they continue to forward this BIBI agenda. It shows that there are very powerful members of society in the US and Europe who support Israel and their money/power continues to make this situation get worse and worse.

     

    Speaking of it.....

     
    https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374177724
     

    "They describe the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the United States provides to Israel and argues that this support cannot be fully explained on either strategic or moral grounds. This exceptional relationship is due largely to the political influence of a loose coalition of individuals and organizations that actively work to shape U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction. Mearsheimer and Walt provocatively contend that the lobby has a far-reaching impact on America's posture throughout the Middle East--in Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, and toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict--and the policies it has encouraged are in neither America's national interest nor Israel's long-term interest." 

    Time is a flat circle....
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     I dont get why the US and NATO stands up to Israel and makes them decide the course of action they take and that there will be no bail out when they continue to forward this BIBI agenda. It shows that there are very powerful members of society in the US and Europe who support Israel and their money/power continues to make this situation get worse and worse.

     

    Speaking of it.....

     
    https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374177724
     

    "They describe the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the United States provides to Israel and argues that this support cannot be fully explained on either strategic or moral grounds. This exceptional relationship is due largely to the political influence of a loose coalition of individuals and organizations that actively work to shape U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction. Mearsheimer and Walt provocatively contend that the lobby has a far-reaching impact on America's posture throughout the Middle East--in Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, and toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict--and the policies it has encouraged are in neither America's national interest nor Israel's long-term interest." 

     
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     This isnt about Biden or the US actually...to me this is Israel trying to push their military agenda while the iron is hot and hoping that the US will step in if things get bad. This entire situation is completely the fault of Israel and continues to be all due to their aggressive decisions. Iran is not interested in bringing the US and NATO and Europe into the region but they for sure will not stand by while Israel takes aggressive actions and taunts them to respond or not.

     

     

    Not about Genocide Jeo no.....but by default, it is about the US as US foreign policy has set a strict precedent previously with regards to Israel.  This regime has shown ZERO ability to make anyone think the required delicacy in handling any potential detachment to this foreign policy could be done with Biden's handlers.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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     This isnt about Biden or the US actually...to me this is Israel trying to push their military agenda while the iron is hot and hoping that the US will step in if things get bad. This entire situation is completely the fault of Israel and continues to be all due to their aggressive decisions. Iran is not interested in bringing the US and NATO and Europe into the region but they for sure will not stand by while Israel takes aggressive actions and taunts them to respond or not.

     

     

    Not about Genocide Jeo no.....but by default, it is about the US as US foreign policy has set a strict precedent previously with regards to Israel.  This regime has shown ZERO ability to make anyone think the required delicacy in handling any potential detachment to this foreign policy could be done with Biden's handlers.  

     
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     I'd say the reason why this admin hasnt been firm is due to the political influence that US citizens which support Israel is. We have always nearly blindly supported Israel and without strong US support there is a very low chance that they would have been given the land that they now have.

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     I'd say the reason why this admin hasnt been firm is due to the political influence that US citizens which support Israel is. We have always nearly blindly supported Israel and without strong US support there is a very low chance that they would have been given the land that they now have.

     
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     Yes, of course....you could say that about any administration since 1948....although some would argue Kennedy had some thoughts that differed but that is a topic for another day....

     I expect this to continue due to the Israeli lobby.  Trump, RFKj would be no different and they are on record as such.  It is a relationship where one side only gives and the other side only takes.  Could Trump or RFKj differentiate themselves from this one sided model?  I don't know.  

     You need a blend of someone who his a strong leader and can stand up to the lobbyists at home and guys like Bibby abroad, all while balancing the relationship between the US and a long standing ally in a region of non-allies... Do unicorns exist??  

    Time is a flat circle....
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     Yes, of course....you could say that about any administration since 1948....although some would argue Kennedy had some thoughts that differed but that is a topic for another day....

     I expect this to continue due to the Israeli lobby.  Trump, RFKj would be no different and they are on record as such.  It is a relationship where one side only gives and the other side only takes.  Could Trump or RFKj differentiate themselves from this one sided model?  I don't know.  

     You need a blend of someone who his a strong leader and can stand up to the lobbyists at home and guys like Bibby abroad, all while balancing the relationship between the US and a long standing ally in a region of non-allies... Do unicorns exist??  

     
     
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    man, Israel is our only ally in the mid east, and right before the October attack they were negotiating a pact with the Saudi's.  Iran is the reason there is war right now, not Israel.  Iran is trying to flank Israel with its proxy groups, and China and Russia are watching.  Think about this, US is stretched so thin if it has to back Israel, after we backed Ukraine.  Spoiler alert, China is timing this so they can take Tiawan without much US resistance.  US can be in 3 places at once, but it won't be pretty to put it lightly.

    It's a four prong attack on the US if something happens on our soil with all these undocumented, at those numbers there are some bad foreigners who are here now.  To think Mikey Moore put out a statement, the biggest conspiracy theory guy out there

    Some very reputable sources have put out there they know sleepy Joe had green lighted this.  It was leaked thru Turkey.  Iran put out some info to see how far they may go.

    What's crazy is Israel has nukes and Iran doesn't.  Bibi could've done so long ago be he hasn't, so he is level headed and not some firecracker some think like Kim.

    This is a holy war that has and will go on forever, all sides have been guilty of some shitty stuff.  You can't blame the US for trying to stay neutral but we can't turn our backs on our ally either.

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    man, Israel is our only ally in the mid east, and right before the October attack they were negotiating a pact with the Saudi's.  Iran is the reason there is war right now, not Israel.  Iran is trying to flank Israel with its proxy groups, and China and Russia are watching.  Think about this, US is stretched so thin if it has to back Israel, after we backed Ukraine.  Spoiler alert, China is timing this so they can take Tiawan without much US resistance.  US can be in 3 places at once, but it won't be pretty to put it lightly.

    It's a four prong attack on the US if something happens on our soil with all these undocumented, at those numbers there are some bad foreigners who are here now.  To think Mikey Moore put out a statement, the biggest conspiracy theory guy out there

    Some very reputable sources have put out there they know sleepy Joe had green lighted this.  It was leaked thru Turkey.  Iran put out some info to see how far they may go.

    What's crazy is Israel has nukes and Iran doesn't.  Bibi could've done so long ago be he hasn't, so he is level headed and not some firecracker some think like Kim.

    This is a holy war that has and will go on forever, all sides have been guilty of some shitty stuff.  You can't blame the US for trying to stay neutral but we can't turn our backs on our ally either.

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