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We @firesox Well those shit QBs you are describing had a hell of a better record than the Bradys/Rodgers of the league. Its 11vs 11... QB matters a lot but this is the ultimate team game |
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Cheers to all and thanks for stopping by! All the best! |
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Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma:
Welcome back gut. Thanks for still keeping it old school like the old days of Covers, I just don't have the energy like I once did to post in depth analysis like the one you have provided here plus it's not appreciated enough by many in this day and age although a few of us old school cats still do. Thank you for time and effort to share your thoughts However A few counterpoints though... Strength of schedule. NFC LEast no doubt was an NFC BEast this year but NFC East played the AFC South and NFC North. AFC South was a terrible division. NFC North was a mixed bag. Their division fattened up over all the cupcakes they were eating.. no team in that division had a losing record. No disagreeing that the NFC East was the best NFC conference this year. NFC West, normally a very strong division had a downturn year. The NFC overall was not as strong as last season. I know the Eagles had no say on who they could play on their schedule but the teams that they did play, as weak as they were, they mostly dominated them as they should. That is a sign of a good team but they haven't truly been tested in my opinion. The closest to KC in quality competition they had faced is the Cowboys. And I think the Cowboys weren't as good as their record indicates. Maybe slightly over performed. 10-7 team masquerading as an 12-5 team. Chiefs schedule may not be all that impressive either but I feel like they have played slightly better competition despite underperforming NFC West and AFC West. They played the same garbage AFC South too but where it stands out to me is the games they played against Bills and Bengals. 70 sacks total. Impressive numbers but you'd have to look at what offensive lines they were going against to achieve that number and not many were top 10 units other than Lions, Cowboys, Jags and Packers. Not trying to sell the Eagles pass rush short they can only play whose on their schedule. they have also done decent job against top O-lines, even against the Niners in the playoffs they weren't ready for Eagles physicality but with Mahomes under center it's going to be a little different with his mobility. KC offensive line is top 10 but they will no doubt face the best defensive line in the NFL. Mahomes will get his share of sacks but don't see it play out anything like the Tampa Super Bowl where Mahomes was flustered and couldn't do anything with backup linemen.. That's about all I have to say. Good luck in the Bowl Cheers DK, Wish you all the best today and always. Regarding the Schedule, KC and the AFC West also faced the AFC South. In fact, the Chiefs lost to the Colts... I wouldnt say the NFC North is soft. Detroit sucks and will always do, but Minnesota was the 2nd seed, Chicago had a winning record, and the 8-9 cheeseheads, arent as bad as their record IMO. KC´s O line is solid, but RT is its highest vulnerability. And that is where Reddick feasts. BOL in whatever your plays are! Thanks for taking the time to reply lenghtily! |
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Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13: I dont see KC winning enough to make that bet. But I 100% agree that if I were, I see more value on KC+over than KC plain
It's either KC and OVER, or Philly/Under. Either way, if KC gets the lead early, Hurts and Philly will have to play catchup all game long. This is the Super Bowl, I'm taking the better, more experienced Coach and QB. Thanks for all the opines. Definitely worth consideration. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Hustle2eat: No way I can dispute that... But Nick Foles had even less experience. Mahomes won his first trip to the SB, then lost with "more experience". There are plenty examples of guys having won the big game on their first trip. It is clear that experience favors KC, but I dont value experience as highly as I value all around talent, coaching and matchups.
Great analysis but you forgot 1 thing. Hurts has zero experience in the super bowl and outside of this year has been a terrible quarterback. I agree with everything else you said and Philly definitely has the better team. Myhomie gets the win and Jalen hurts his team with at least two interceptions. Patrick is a winner and just on another level, even being injured. Kc 34 Phi 24 the Eagles were the feel good story of the year but MyHomie is about to bring them back down to reality |
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Quote Originally Posted by undermysac: I agree. Hurts is no way near 100%. But just as a lot has been said about these 2 weeks helping Mahomes´ ankle get better, the same applies to Hurts. And in this game, there is nothing holding back him or his coaching staff. Its all or nothing. In previous stages, you had to worry about the injury aggravating for future stages... now that no longer exists.
@gutinstinctus Thanks for your thoughts. If we do actually see the Chiefs handing off the ball a lot(which they "should"), then this is a dead nut under. I've noticed that the Eagles have used up nearly the entire play clock on almost all of their plays. They have controlled clock well. I don't think Jalen Hurts has been right since hurting his shoulder vs the Bears. He hasn't had to pass a lot, and hasn't run a lot like he did before the injury. Think they've been kind of hiding him? I do. Good Luck |
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Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:
@gutinstinctus Always a good read, should get out more often In the spirit of healthy discussion, how can you say "we all know Mahomes crumbles under pressure" when he led the league in QBR and came 2nd in passer rating to Burrow while leading the league in facing the most QB hurries and 5th most blitzes ? If Philly can get pressure with their front 4 and force Mahomes to sit on the ball waiting for his open read then that will be how Philly beats him, same as Cincy had done in their previous wins and the same approach many teams tried all year vs KC. I was right there with you losing that SB with that depleted offensive line so I know exactly what you are talking about....this is a completely different oline and different situation we have here. Can't argue with anything else really.... big proponent of the Under correlation with backing the Eagles winning You are completely correct in what you state. Its all about the pressure that the front guys put in. If you blitz Mahomes with 7-8 guys, he is smart and good enough to find the open man quickly. There are two good things going for Philly in terms of their D Line pressure: i) The great secondary it has, enables it to almost always have 5 guys in the front. 5 on 5, when you have: Hasson Reddick, Hargraves, Fletcher Cox, Sweat and Brandon Graham most be a sight that makes you shit your pants as an O-Lineman. ii) Reddick alligns left, so he will match up against KC O line´s biggest liability in Andrew Wylie. And I doubt Reid is bringing much support for that matchup (not like they are going to block with Kelce, or that Isiah Pacheco can pose some obstacle to that SOB when Reddick beats Wylie (it is "when", and not "if"). That secondary will allow Philly to scheme against KC under those presumptions is way simpler. You bring your front 5 and that is more than enough to generate the required pressure to make him uncomfortable. You trust Slay and Bradberry on the 1 on 1, and then one of your safeties should always have that extra eye on Kelce. Yes... this makes you vulnerable vs the run, and RB screens, but lets trust Andy Reid to behave like Andy Reid. If he adapts and goes with an Isiah Pacheco heavy gameplan, well, we are screwed haha. But my type of capping says, there is a very low chance of that happening. |
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: Cheers and respect Van!
Good writeup. Miss you around here. |
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One last thing. For all KC backers, the way I see KC winning requires a lot of Kelce and a lot of Isiah Pacheco. If you have your reasons to back the Chiefs... take a deep look into those props, because that is the path to the Lombardi for KC. |
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4. KC´s defense. Dont get me wrong. Im not biased to the point of denying how good this D is. 2nd best pass rush in the league (but the difference is 15 sacks). KC has been as good as Philly against WR and appears to be better against the run. But there are two grains of salt that must be taken: b) KC has not faced anything close to this Offense. Against the more well rounded/scrambling QB offenses they struggled more. Josh Allen got them. The Chargers got them once and lost a close one later. The shit faced Broncos, had 2 very close games on them. Opposing QBs averaged 5 ypc against them, despite not facing Baltimore, Philly, NYG or Chicago. I insist, this Offense is a different animal, because of the ammount of weapons it has, and especially the quality of all those weapons summed up. This Eagles team is almost certainly the all time Madden favorite team to use. 3. Also, I told you I respect KC´s defense, and I dont see it likely that Philly scores 30 on them. I actually think just betting the under is a good bet. But the under hits way more if Philly is ahead and if Philly wins the game, than if KC goes ahead and Philly is forced to pass and reduce the time consumption machine that they have been throughout the season. Cheers and GL. If anyone has a site that offers a roughing the passer flag prop, please let me know. We will see some of those with these 2 beasts of pass rushing Ds. Id say, they are by far the best pass rush Ds combined in the history of the Super Bowl. |
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Ive gone away, mostly because of the lack of in depth discussion that can make us gain something other than just pouring knowledge for free. But I have no problem on providing my pick and commenting on this thread, just for the sake of the superbowl and enlightening those that still dwell in the dark after a long season. Hopefully my bet cashes, you bet your houses on it, and get out of the red numbers for the season. My bet is Philly. And I happen to believe that out of all games that Philly wins, at least 60% go under, so there is a lot of value of parlaying Philly ML and Under 50.5. So my bet is:Philly ML +Under 50.5 @+260 Now comes the enligthment. Pay attention, take notes, and learn the art of capping: 3. Philly´s Defense and its easier ability to scheme vs KC (Kelce). Philadelphia has the best pass rush in the league by a landslide, and one of the best pass rushes in the history of the NFL. SEVENTY MF SACKS! We all know Patrick Mahomes crumbles under pressure... that is why he lost that SB vs Tampa when he had a woed O-Line (in a game where I was on KC and completely underestimated KC´s injuries). This is part of the tough process you have to follow to learn the art of capping... I suffered the wounds, I learned and now I share my knowledge with some strangers (yeah, I am stupid). Philly will be breathing on Mahomes neck all game long. Now, the thing does not stop there... Philly has one of the best CB duos in the league and they proved it time after time. Slay and Bradberry are insane and can get rid of the 2 opposing WRs they are covering. So under that presumption, with KC´s below average WR corpse (Juju and Marquez Valdez lol), Philadelphia can scheme on Kelce. |
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Eagles are better erverywhere except QB and TE. Philly has one of the top 5 Ds in the league to back up an offense that is versatile and complete in all positions. The elite pass rush that both Ds have should hold a high total in check. This is even more possible if Philly is ahead and keeps tunning the rock and not forced to pass the ball Philly ML and the Under. At least 65% of the time Phily wins, we will see less possessions and a lower total. If you like KC, which I dont, I believe a KC+Over has more value than KC plain.
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Brooklyn won that trade BIG time. Dinwiddie is an unselfish guy, perfect to line up with Luka. Kyrie is not the sharpshooter kinda guy to get open and receive assists from Luka. He is a a ball hog. Once you sum up all the off court bs associated to the diva Irving it is clear that this shit wont work for Dallas. |
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This Quote Originally Posted by nikon:
It's been like that for the past few years. No defense is played no more. Never play under. It's over or no bet This. Plus the 14 second shot clock on offensive rebounds introduced a couple seasons ago, plus the new stopping the break foul that gives you a free throw. The tendency towards the over is in place since long ago. Books have adjusted already |
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The reasons you point out are precisely what make this sport a live bettor´s paradise |
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Had they played yesterday this was a flip. Cortes vs Civale it should be 4-1 by the end of the 5th |
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I posted this midway through the 6th. The time to make the bet is 7th inning. If its tied we bet the ML if not the RL will be good |
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Well another tied bet. Now... the bulloen game favors the Guardians big time. At + money we switch aides and take the indians @+115 |
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Strider will come back, we dont know if for the 3rd or 4th but he will. For the Phillies, Nola is a sure one. But who starts the 4th? Gibson? Syndergaard? Ill take Strider over Nola. And Ill take Morton against any of those 2 or a bullpen game by such a deep pen. Id even take em in a second if Morton starts vs Nola. So, better starting pitchers, way better bullpen and as of now, slightly better bats. Yet we see a @1.7 line. Fuck off we are biting On a 5th, Fried revenge vs Suarez. You know where the money is at. Take them now... once strider is confirmed this line will disappear |
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Line aint good enough to bet blown save. Now lets hope KJ does the job |
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