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@BigGame90

 Well if you are lumping me into some left group you are quite wrong with this summary. Ive disliked Musk for a very very long time and long before this Trump scheme. I find Musk to be an abusive, condescending loud mouth who has built his fortune off the federal government and treats his employees like trash. I dont care which political side he is on my points are not about a political party rather that the conflict of interest he has disqualifies him from any government interaction and he is the last person who should be giving financial analysis to anyone, including pitching annuities to senior citizens. 

The concept of carbon credits might have merit as it is meant to motivate carbon producers to either find ways to minimize their impact or pay for polluting the environment with carbon. The fact these were given to a company who should not receive them and that he sells them to other companies AND that these credits are a substantial percentage of his profits and thus his stock price and thus his net worth is absurd. Then you add on federal tax credits and then you add on ZIRP and there you have my summary. Musk has built BILLIONS in fortune squarely off the back of the taxpayer and the federal government. There is no example that exists of another individual who has bilked the government for the quantity of wealth that Musk has. Bezos locked away operating losses to offset future tax liability but he did not have ZIRP, Musk did AND operating losses, AND carbon credits AND a federal tax credit for cars AND solar panel install...AND he has been able to exploit operating in China, producing parts and vehicles to escape tariffs. The guy is a scammer period, and I would say the same if he were considered for Biden or Harris or Obama to slash government spending.

Before you summarize me it is best to know me, dont lump me into your partisan nonsense especially when the bulk of my contention is NOT partisan.

@UNIMAN

 Musk is still taking advantage. Go look at their last quarterly statement and see how much of his profits came from fake carbon credits? Tesla has no reason to be given carbon credits since they are not a car maker who falls under the guidelines for why it was first created. If anything companies like Ford or Nissan or Toyota etc who do both gas and electric and hybrid should participate, NOT Tesla. Its a total ripoff scam to the taxpayer, the fact that Tesla profits between 25-60% of their profits off selling carbon credits is taxpayer theft period...then add the federal tax credits he has pocketed BILLIONS and then add ZIRP, if anything Musk needs to shut his trap about how inefficient and bloated the government is. Without the bloat he is pitching mutual funds to retirees.

@unplucked_gem

 Cute..

Musk has no EV company without ZIRP, carbon credits and federal tax freebies. Do a teeny bit of research and understand that without the debt spending of the federal government, Tesla never makes it and EV would be still limping along probably by a company like Fisker or Nissan/Toyota.

Musk is the last person in this country that should be complaining about the government, the taxpayer and debt holder has created BILLIONS in net worth for Musk.

@sundance

 Nah those guys are not harming you, I am more tired of stealth whining and antagonistic threads like this one. What is the purpose of making another Biden complaining thread when you have so many others to just bump instead?

You might also try to stop rationalizing lousy content because someone else in your mind does the same thing, be better than those you obviously dislike not worse.

Kinda similar to Reagan part II and likely Bush Lite part I and II

Quality thread, really adding top notch value discussion wise.

I would ask for you to not engage with members who are actually intentionally avoiding you especially when your replies are made to cause conflict and provoke. Your reply served no purpose for conversation with that member and you are completely taking his words out of context and exaggerating what he said/says to try and craft a narrative.

Notice that I did not say any digs in this reply regarding your lacking reading comprehension, I see no reason to personally insult your intelligence in order to try and gain an advantage in a topical discussion. 

I fully get his reference point and why he uses certain correlative examples, I think you do as well and since he is not MEMBER TO MEMBER attacking you the best thing for you is to stop interacting with him or them. 

@kcblitzkrieg

 How can I reply to that when you are a different person than I am? You consider calling me a bleeding heart mod to be carefully considered words and to me that is no further from the truth. You consider taking someones message and crafting a narrative as conversation. I do not share your view of what is reasonable and considerate. I do not share your view on how you have interacted with him or really ANY member who does not share your political views. I think you try to bully members as a way to try and get what you want, look at this very thread right here...you and several others have tried to bully me about two topics to get what you want rather than be considerate and try to avoid conflict.

I think midnight puts up with plenty from you AND several others that he really does not need to or deserve to because several of you use these bully strategies to intimidate and antagonize others.

I kinda think you already know this, it isnt the first time we have discussed the topic.

@Raiders22

 Just move on already...stop hen pecking a topic and trying to force your perspective.

Move forward please and knock off the jabs, I am not doing this to you and for the last time end this nonsense and do something else.

@Raiders22

 Again and hopefully finally, I am good that you do not know the reference...the rest of your reply is more the issue than the actual quote. There is no need or reason to try and say someone is wrong or misquoted or didnt edit or the other nonsense you tried. 

You dont know the quote, nothing more about it is necessary.

@kcblitzkrieg

 This is a big difference between the two of you, midnight is able to have stark and blaring differences in political views and keep a lid on his replies, it is one of his strong qualities. It is rare if ever that I see him making personal jaded comments and I dont recall often if ever that he follows other members around seeking to pester them. He is a great example of how to have a disagreement and still be a reasonable contributing member.

@kcblitzkrieg

 So which MOD is what you described? None fit your descript and it is not some secret your views on most everything so to try and deflect seems miscalculated. If discussing things that you are at odds with brings out these sort of replies and complaints then what good is it to reply?

To the credit of the other group that you try and poke at all the time, at least they know how to show restraint and know that there is nothing positive that will come in discussing and replying to combative members like many in your circle are. You replied to fubah in the other thread and you know he wont reply or engage with you so what is the purpose for that reply or ANY to someone who has zero interest in combative back and forth messages?

You are combative and make things personal, you obviously are not able to respectfully reply to me or other members that bother you. The bleeding heart comment is nothing but negative nonsense it serves no purpose but to make a personal dig, that is exactly the type of messages that are against the rules and serve absolutely no purpose, the same goes for your attempt to frame fubah by taking his comment out of context to form a narrative.

How about you just not reply to those members at all, do not comment or reply because they are not interested in having conversation with you and it IS obvious you are not seeking respectful and calm and reasonable discussion with them.

@Raiders22

 I'm good that you do not know the reference, its ok to leave it there and no need for you to throw out the commentary. I dont claim to know all and every reference and its ok that you do not have that knowledge either.

No way....that cant be so.

@StumpTownStu

 Ah nothing like put downs and insults to make your life more complete. Not much better than belittling someone else with your pals to lift up your zero ego.

Find better alternatives in a more positive way than to tear others down even if you have a difference in views.

@Raiders22

 i'll pass on the trap Raiders...you are not fooling me.

@StumpTownStu

 Uh no, that phrase is used in MANY respects and just because you found a reference in a different quote does not mean the quote I referenced did not exist.

Sheesh you are trying way way way too hard. Go hit a bucket of golf balls and get that anger out of you instead of false framing some stranger on a website.

You dont see me trying to tighten the screws on you for suggesting that I made a mistake, that you are trying to soil me and are wrong in the process. What is the purpose of trying to antagonize the use of an obscure 80s quote???

@Raiders22

Nah no loss if you do not know the quote, no need to try and lay that trap in this case. You didnt know the reference just scoot along and find something positive to do with your day.

There it is...pocket pundits left operations. Yeah you got me, but who uses the term gaslighting I am positive it is not me.

Its ok there are references you younger guys AND older guys dont catch there is nothing wrong with an 80s reference unless it is that the sole purpose you had was to try and cry foul again...

@StumpTownStu

 So what was the purpose for your reply then exactly? Was there something sincere or genuine and that was of high value in the reply or was it just another attempt from you to try and soil the mod again?

Dont try and hide your actions, just own them or better yet try and avoid the trailing complaining routine and look for ways to add positive value.

@Raiders22

 Its an 80s reference, you didnt know what it was and nothing wrong with that.