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@Raiders22

 Notice that I qualified my words very carefully, I did not and have not compared government workers to private sector for a VERY good reason. The concept of mean and standard deviation is what I used so if you are trying to disprove what I said please make sure to understand the parameters I am ONLY using.

In the pool of private sector employees or government employees, fast food employees, homebuilder trade employees whatever the group is there is a mean and there are standard deviations. If this is the poor logic Musk is using no wonder he is messing it up, he lacks context and the group he allegedly is in charge of analyzing. What a shock, Musk lacks the ability to properly assess the situation, I am just beyond speechless.

@BigGame90

 Ive thought Musk is a jerk for a long long time, Ive followed Tesla from the first day of trading in the markets and I have a decent grasp of his management style and the way he lies to push features of his product and takes advantage of his so-called technology while rarely if never meeting time targets that he himself sets.

As for the DMV, I have a completely different spin on it than you do and my conclusion is almost polar opposite of yours. Ive had to go there many times over the years and have gone to several different state DMV offices as Ive lived in several states and most all are the same in their dynamic and the flaws that exist. You see the DMV as a sign that the people are lazy and take advantage that it is some scheme and ploy. I see the DMV as a microcosm of any group of people and the dynamic of those individuals along with the fact that they are UNDER staffed and their technology is so far behind and then you add the demand of being customer facing it makes 100% sense to me.

Ive worked many years in customer facing positions and it is the most difficult mentally draining job anyone could ever have for many reasons. Dealing with the public on its own is miserable even on the best day, people are demanding and abusive they lack sympathy and understanding and are impossible to please in general. That is on a good day. Then you add that people who visit the DMV need to have certain things done in certain order with specific guidelines and requirements in order to make the tasks required complete and legal. To obtain a DL you have to fill out forms and provide proof etc etc and it has to be done a certain way or it cannot be legally issued and it is a PITA to do the same remedial task over and over knowing that people are going to mess things up and be frustrated with the worker for their lack of comprehension and frustration waiting then needing to do things over. Same goes with title transfer or sale of a vehicle or if a license is suspended to get it right again.

I have 100% sympathy and understanding for DMV workers because Ive worked customer facing jobs and I know that these people are in high stress jobs for low pay and have to deal with idiots day in and out and be abused often by the rude jerks which exist in society.

Last thing, you are flawed in your friday example...in the government employees sometimes CAN choose to work 10 hour days and then get every other friday OFF but it is not OFF they are working 45 hours a week getting alternate fridays off. It is flawed conclusions like this which people have and are 100% wrong and very judgmental which leads to weak observations and flawed narratives.

@KellyM_1964

 Cant say there is a winning approach to these town halls because the citizens are upset from the mess Trump is creating and the abusive way Musk is going about this government low wage job cutting and then the rep cant agree with the citizens because if they do then the heavy handed thug Trump will make a vendetta to run them out of office so there is no way out of the situation and I think we are seeing that these reps will take citizen abuse over Trump draconian flogging and them being out of office for not following the TNC narrative.

I am on FD and I see the games, when you click on the NCAAM tab on the left there is a menu on the top that lists many categories- March Madness, National Champion, look to the right there is a CBC option just click on that and the games are there right now.

This Tesla torching and vandalizing is fringe law breaking to protest and express emotions and some are done peacefully and some are not. I see J6 as identical, some went for peaceful protest and some went too far and broke the law.

There are other examples of protest that led to law breaking and rioting, but given it is a political topic the J6 comparison is accurate to me on many fronts.

@kcblitzkrieg

 I will break it down to an even easier classification per the site. There are two groups here in this forum per the site guidelines and general rules. The partisan stuff comes from those who are breaking the rules and are grasping for validation of their rule breaking. When I say group I am speaking only about the site rules.

Does correlation exist? In a majority of the instances YES it most positively does but there are some on the left side that have issues and have been boxed/banned but no question the majority correlation is there for sure.

I dont care if you are a moderate if you are a conservative or liberal, male female how much income you have what age you are I dont care. There are no question two groups here and how you want to categorize who goes in what is up to you, I only care about member to member interaction and rule breaking but it is not like this has been stated so many times and yet ignored over and over.

@kcblitzkrieg

 How is the Tesla event different than Jan 6th? Is it because the Tesla outrage comes from the alleged left and the Jan 6 outrage came from the right so one is worse than the other?

Musk has angered many on all sides, for sure there are angry right wing people who have lost jobs and act out it is not just left wing wackos IMO

@LSU0626

 member to member attacks is the measure, not that one member likes the DNC and the other likes the RNC. You have been boxed for member to member attacks, insults, stalking and that is all you have been boxed for.

If you cannot control yourself then quit reading other members threads who you cannot control yourself with. 

@BigGame90

 Well that generalization is trash right there, so if midnight says something then I feel the same way, what a load of crap.

I keep asking this and no response, why is it that your side thinks government employees are wasteful? Have you or anyone done an HR analysis to determine what the job requirements are, the parameters of high to low quality and how to help an employee who might be lacking to be better? No of course not, you watch Fox news or Musk on twitter blabber on about generalizations which have absolutely zero validity and claim it is so. 

Ive known MANY government workers and I would say much like any other group of people there are the mean and then standard deviations of performance, like ANY OTHER group of people. 

It would be better if people actually did the work and effort of investigating trash before blindly believing what some dope tells them and then claim it as fact, this is a lazy divisive and unintelligent approach to drawing conclusions. 

Saying that there are lazy DMV employees as a foundation for all government employees being lazy and wasteful is quite obtuse and yet people do this every day to validate their partisan biases and actually be happy that their neighbors and fellow citizens are out of a job.

Fat in the government is Elon and his scams, defense contractors and their schemes, funding other countries and subsidizing farmers so we can have 2 buck a gallon milk and cheap corn derivatives...THAT is fat.

@kcblitzkrieg

 He isnt new to this forum and the other member discriminates more than the majority here. You like that he kicks the other side and you agree with his biases, nothing wrong with that but he does not twist the knife on your group like ever and his schtick is heavily aimed at the left members here.

LSU has posted here plenty and is a fringe raging conservative who lacks the ability to avoid personal attacks so he thinks when he gets boxed for breaking the rules that it is about his political affiliation, much like several of you who lack the ability to avoid member to member insults, attacks and stalking.

@kcblitzkrieg

 I think we are similar in thinking regarding gas/oil and commodities. Outside a massive unknown shock those markets are not going to move from posturing from a non-OPEC member. Trump is inflationary and recessionary in his posturing but it would take longer to cycle through. If anything his buzz saw job cuts and tariffs are bad for oil markets, they will reduce consumption and I would think oil would go much lower in a recession/stagflation scenario.

@LSU0626

 Yeah you swung and missed big guy, he is on your side...you completely missed his regular jabs at the left here. So you probably should apologize and quit being a baby when he was actually doing the same thing you do for the same reason.

@BigGame90

 lol

Show me where I was ok with people being fired for refusing the vax, that is not my position but the largest difference is that the companies who were doing this were public/private companies so legally at least down here my company can fire me for wearing an Erasure t-shirt and i would have no recourse.

My father in law and mother in law worked for the FDA for over 25 years and for them the knowledge of having a stable and consistent job was very valuable even though private industry paid more. Its like down here the utility company SRP and APS jobs are very valuable and sought after even though the pay might be less due to the fact that the job is stable and consistent and in some ways recession proof. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a government employee feeling appreciation for a stable and consistent job even if they might find better paying jobs elsewhere.

@kcblitzkrieg

 My comment was a personal experience response to another member saying their gas was lower now than when Biden was leaving office, I am saying mine is 35 cents higher yesterday than the week Biden left office..

@LSU0626

 I think you do not understand that he is one of your clan, he is making an unnecessary jab at the other side which most of us see but you do not. His comments are to stir the pot and push buttons, he is a partisan conservative similar to you and most any post to the contrary is satire and meant to annoy the other members here. Your tirades are misplaced and juvenile. 

@BigGame90

 The problem is that the media is seeking eyes to sell products so you have to lead with enraging content. When I see stuff in the media I either already know if it is fake or not and if I do not I will research it myself. In addition I discount pretty much everything that comes from the media given that they are all partisan salesmen seeking to please advertisers and there are like zero true news outlets any longer it is all just dividing nonsense.

I know I cannot say more than a few hundred words before sleep time for many of you but my view is that the recession is more about rates and reality than who is in office, in general I have to clarify though. Higher rates mean higher interest costs and less for government services so to me when the central banks everywhere started ramping rates I knew recession was going to be in the picture. Since Europe is more leveraged than the US and rate sensitive they came out concerned faster than the US and Europe has not overhauled their political system in any enormous fashion, thus the entire premise of partisan blaming is neutered. In the US we think everything is partisan and that everywhere else is a reflection of our issues and dynamics, it is quite narrow minded and smug, lacking real intelligence.

Trump does have ownership on his actions and some of what he is proposing while following the project 2025 playbook IS inflationary, IS recessionary and could make it more likely to happen but it is too early yet to draw conclusions. What really determines our outcome is the FED more than goof ball Trump IMO.

@BigGame90

So do you consider what they are cutting as "fat"? And if so how was this determined and why this fat vs other more substantial fat? There are much more productive ways to cut costs than to fire people who have not been evaluated because they are not lobby supported power centers of the government and have no backing to broker for their jobs.

Nobody in the kid clan has done an analysis of job performance or value, I do not see a method or a process that seems more than buckshot project 2025 partisan attacking from them or from Trump in general. 

I do not consider cutting average citizen low to mid rate jobs as productive nor as fat without the analysis to determine if this is the case. In the real world the process of RIF determination takes a year plus if the objective is to streamline and join overlapping functions and reduce unnecessary labor costs. This did not happen here as these tech doods are not skilled or trained in HR analysis.

@kcblitzkrieg

 I just filled up yesterday and my gas price was 35 cents higher than the comparable mid Jan price per gallon. I think it is amusing at best for anyone to think commodity markets to the pump can move in a material fashion in two months. 

@THEMUGG

 stay classy big guy, I think you forgot to include the term libs in this message.

@Rush51

 So do you think these corps that ditched the US will just return because of tariffs? This would mean a loss of BILLIONS in foreign investment in PPE, how long will it take for the fake tariffs to equal or be greater than the loss on those investments AND the increase in labor costs in the US, AND (a big and here) the cost to build/rebuild manufacturing in the US? How long even if they decided tomorrow to come back to the good ole USA would it take for those imaginary manufacturing plants to be in use and functioning?

I have not seen reference from any of your side about the nuances and loopholes of these fake tariffs because the headlines you here in the media are NOT what the truth is about how these will work and how you get around them.

Then toss in the cost to the consumer on the tariffs to our goods and products, these tariffs are such a scam waste of time they are useless noise which will go nowhere.