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    Belief in the Bible:
    Most of the writers of the Bible were eye-witnesses of what they recorded. II Peter 1:16 says "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were EYE-WITNESSES of his majesty." Keep in mind that there were many enemies against the Christian faith, and if the writers of the NT were not accurate, the enemies of the Christians surely would have pointed it out, and we would have some record of it.

    Prophecy in the Bible:
    Prophecy can be defined as a foretelling of a future event. Even though all of the prophecies in the Bible have not come true yet (e.g. the ones about the end of the world), never once have any of them been wrong. It should be noted that Jewish prophets not only made predictions about the distant future, but also things which were to happen in their lifetime. If they were not 100% correct they would be put to death and their prophecies ignored (either they were from God or they were dead).

    The Bible is Historically Correct:
    The Bible had never contradicted any historical fact that's ever been discovered. This should add to its credibility. The Bible does not claim to be a book of science, yet not one scientific piece of data contradicts it. The Bible does not claim to be a history book, yet not one historical piece of evidence had ever contradicted it. The Bible does not claim to be a physics book, yet not one piece of physical data contradicts it. In the thousands of years of man's discoveries, not one thing has ever been found which contradicts the Bible. Sometimes the Bible even goes beyond man's knowledge: a long time ago man used to think the world was flat, but the Bible has always said it was round. Isaiah 40:22 says "He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth..."

    Archaeology and the Bible:
    -Archaeologists regularly use the Bible as a guide or road-map to find their dig sites.
    -Matthew Maury was in the U.S. Navy between 1841 and 1861. He was reading the book of Psalms in the Bible, and noticed the words "paths in the sea." He pondered this and decided to review the journals and diaries of the captains various sea-going ships. He discovered that some journeys took weeks to complete and other journeys of the same distance only days. This eventually led to sea and wind currents being discovered. There actually are "paths" in the sea.
    -Critics have often stated many times that Moses and the ancient Israelites could not have written such a structured book as Deuteronomy, but archaeologists have now discovered the Ebla Tablets. These clay tablets show structured writing (many of their laws and codes are similar to those found in the book of Deuteronomy), and they pre-date the book of Deuteronomy.
    -Critics have also mocked the Christian scholars, claiming that the OT is not factual because (among other things) it speaks about the Hittite people and there is no Non-biblical evidence about them. Recently, however, discoveries have been made supporting the existence of the Hittite people. In fact, you can now go to Harvard and study the Hittite language.
    -Archaeologists have discovered the home of Judas Iscariot - the person who delivered Jesus over to the Romans to be crucified.
    -Archaeologists have also unearthed Sepphoris - the city where the mother of Jesus was born.
    -Archaeologists have found the burial grave of Caiaphas. Caiaphas was the Jewish High Priest who interrogated Jesus shortly before his Crucifixion.

    We can see then that archaeology confirms the Bible's truth (there are plenty of other examples, but I will leave it at these examples).

    If a person looked at the evidence about the Bible in an un-biased manner, he or she would have to conclude that it was true.
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    Belief in the Bible:
    Most of the writers of the Bible were eye-witnesses of what they recorded. II Peter 1:16 says "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were EYE-WITNESSES of his majesty." Keep in mind that there were many enemies against the Christian faith, and if the writers of the NT were not accurate, the enemies of the Christians surely would have pointed it out, and we would have some record of it.

    Prophecy in the Bible:
    Prophecy can be defined as a foretelling of a future event. Even though all of the prophecies in the Bible have not come true yet (e.g. the ones about the end of the world), never once have any of them been wrong. It should be noted that Jewish prophets not only made predictions about the distant future, but also things which were to happen in their lifetime. If they were not 100% correct they would be put to death and their prophecies ignored (either they were from God or they were dead).

    The Bible is Historically Correct:
    The Bible had never contradicted any historical fact that's ever been discovered. This should add to its credibility. The Bible does not claim to be a book of science, yet not one scientific piece of data contradicts it. The Bible does not claim to be a history book, yet not one historical piece of evidence had ever contradicted it. The Bible does not claim to be a physics book, yet not one piece of physical data contradicts it. In the thousands of years of man's discoveries, not one thing has ever been found which contradicts the Bible. Sometimes the Bible even goes beyond man's knowledge: a long time ago man used to think the world was flat, but the Bible has always said it was round. Isaiah 40:22 says "He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth..."

    Archaeology and the Bible:
    -Archaeologists regularly use the Bible as a guide or road-map to find their dig sites.
    -Matthew Maury was in the U.S. Navy between 1841 and 1861. He was reading the book of Psalms in the Bible, and noticed the words "paths in the sea." He pondered this and decided to review the journals and diaries of the captains various sea-going ships. He discovered that some journeys took weeks to complete and other journeys of the same distance only days. This eventually led to sea and wind currents being discovered. There actually are "paths" in the sea.
    -Critics have often stated many times that Moses and the ancient Israelites could not have written such a structured book as Deuteronomy, but archaeologists have now discovered the Ebla Tablets. These clay tablets show structured writing (many of their laws and codes are similar to those found in the book of Deuteronomy), and they pre-date the book of Deuteronomy.
    -Critics have also mocked the Christian scholars, claiming that the OT is not factual because (among other things) it speaks about the Hittite people and there is no Non-biblical evidence about them. Recently, however, discoveries have been made supporting the existence of the Hittite people. In fact, you can now go to Harvard and study the Hittite language.
    -Archaeologists have discovered the home of Judas Iscariot - the person who delivered Jesus over to the Romans to be crucified.
    -Archaeologists have also unearthed Sepphoris - the city where the mother of Jesus was born.
    -Archaeologists have found the burial grave of Caiaphas. Caiaphas was the Jewish High Priest who interrogated Jesus shortly before his Crucifixion.

    We can see then that archaeology confirms the Bible's truth (there are plenty of other examples, but I will leave it at these examples).

    If a person looked at the evidence about the Bible in an un-biased manner, he or she would have to conclude that it was true.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 9:48 AM ET #2602

    2) Jesus as God.
    "Jesus was human... so therefore he cannot be God or the Son of God"

    Even given the evidence of the resurrection, many still question how Jesus can be human, and yet still be the Son of God.
    -Jesus clearly claimed to be the Son of God, and we see that in:John 2: 18-22, 5: 17-23, 8:23, 8:58, 10: 25-38, 12: 44-45, 13:13, 19-20, 14: 6-11, 17:5, 
    Matthew 10:40, 28: 18-19, 
    Mark 14: 60-62, 
    Luke 5: 20-26, 6:5, 10:16, and 
    Revelation 22: 12-13.

    In John chapter 5 alone, Jesus makes 6 claims to equality with God; He is equal with God in his: 
    1) Person
    2) Works
    3) Power and sovereignty
    4) Judgement
    5) Honor
    6) and that He has resurrection power.
    -It should be noted that the person clearly understood Jesus' claim to deity, as they recognized that Jesus was claiming attributes of God in the Old Testament (John 19:7). 
    -Over 300 OT prophesies speak of the coming Messiah ("Christ") and describe him as a man that stands above all other men and would have divine attributes.
    -In Matthew 26:64, Jesus is making a claim of deity and is even clearer as he says that he will be seen "sitting on the right hand of God and coming on the clouds of heaven." In Matthew 24: 30-31, Jesus uses similar language about his Second Coming on clouds. The person absolutely understood that it was only God himself who came on clouds - often a motif in the OT about God's coming in judgement against those who disobeyed. 
    -Mark 12: 1-9, Jesus tells a parable of the wicked tenants of the vineyard. Here Jesus correlates Israel was the vineyard, God as the owner, the figure of a son, etc. The parable tells us that Jesus thought of himself as God's only Son, distinct from all other prophets, God's final messenger, and even the heir of Israel itself. So this parable discloses to us that Jesus believed and taught that he was the only Son of God.
    -In Luke 12: 8-9, Jesus claims the authority to stand in God's place and speak to us and bring us to salvation. In John 17:3, Jesus places himself and the Father together as the source of eternal life, affirming his own deity.
                -Given such claims, there are 3 possibilities as to His identity. Either Jesus was a (a) liar, (b) lunatic, or (c) Lord.
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    2) Jesus as God.
    "Jesus was human... so therefore he cannot be God or the Son of God"

    Even given the evidence of the resurrection, many still question how Jesus can be human, and yet still be the Son of God.
    -Jesus clearly claimed to be the Son of God, and we see that in:John 2: 18-22, 5: 17-23, 8:23, 8:58, 10: 25-38, 12: 44-45, 13:13, 19-20, 14: 6-11, 17:5, 
    Matthew 10:40, 28: 18-19, 
    Mark 14: 60-62, 
    Luke 5: 20-26, 6:5, 10:16, and 
    Revelation 22: 12-13.

    In John chapter 5 alone, Jesus makes 6 claims to equality with God; He is equal with God in his: 
    1) Person
    2) Works
    3) Power and sovereignty
    4) Judgement
    5) Honor
    6) and that He has resurrection power.
    -It should be noted that the person clearly understood Jesus' claim to deity, as they recognized that Jesus was claiming attributes of God in the Old Testament (John 19:7). 
    -Over 300 OT prophesies speak of the coming Messiah ("Christ") and describe him as a man that stands above all other men and would have divine attributes.
    -In Matthew 26:64, Jesus is making a claim of deity and is even clearer as he says that he will be seen "sitting on the right hand of God and coming on the clouds of heaven." In Matthew 24: 30-31, Jesus uses similar language about his Second Coming on clouds. The person absolutely understood that it was only God himself who came on clouds - often a motif in the OT about God's coming in judgement against those who disobeyed. 
    -Mark 12: 1-9, Jesus tells a parable of the wicked tenants of the vineyard. Here Jesus correlates Israel was the vineyard, God as the owner, the figure of a son, etc. The parable tells us that Jesus thought of himself as God's only Son, distinct from all other prophets, God's final messenger, and even the heir of Israel itself. So this parable discloses to us that Jesus believed and taught that he was the only Son of God.
    -In Luke 12: 8-9, Jesus claims the authority to stand in God's place and speak to us and bring us to salvation. In John 17:3, Jesus places himself and the Father together as the source of eternal life, affirming his own deity.
                -Given such claims, there are 3 possibilities as to His identity. Either Jesus was a (a) liar, (b) lunatic, or (c) Lord.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 9:48 AM ET #2603

    (A) If Jesus is a liar, then He has deceived more people than any other human. He could not be the greatest liar that ever lived, and also be a great moral teacher. His character is evidence of a person of absolute virtue and integrity. His instruction was pure and profound. He was not a liar.
    (B) O. Quentin Hyder, a psychiatrist in New York City, analyzed the records of Jesus' behavior, personality and relationships for symptoms of psychiatric disorders. He said that the evidence does not support the notion that Jesus was a lunatic. Hyder concluded by saying, "A person is free to maintain that Jesus, out of honest delusion, made His claim to deity. But if one takes this position, he does so without any psychological evidence in its support and, indeed, in spite of considerable evidence to the contrary."
    -Jesus lived a sinless, perfect life. His closest companions confirmed this:
    1 Peter 1: 18-19, 2: 21-24,
    2 Corinthians 5:21,
    Hebrews 4:15, 7: 26-27,
    1 John 2:1, 3:5.
    -Even His enemies, those who betrayed and crucified Him, acknowledged His perfect life:
    Matthew 27: 3-4,
    Luke 23: 14-15,
    John 8:46.
    -Jesus' words, His character, and His influence all attest that Jesus was more than a mortal man.
    -Jesus' sinless life proves he was from God and was the Messiah as was predicted in the Old Testament (Isaiah 53:9). 
    -Jesus has all of the attributes of deity, including
    1) Omnipotence - Matthew 28:18,
    2) Omniscience - John 1:48,
    3) Omnipresence - Matthew 18:20.

    -Jesus did the works of deity, including
    1) Creation - John 1:3,
    2) Raising the dead - John 11: 43-44,
    3) and is assigned power to judge the living and the dead - 2 Thessalonians 1: 7-8.
    -And He was worshiped as deity - Matthew 14:33.
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    (A) If Jesus is a liar, then He has deceived more people than any other human. He could not be the greatest liar that ever lived, and also be a great moral teacher. His character is evidence of a person of absolute virtue and integrity. His instruction was pure and profound. He was not a liar.
    (B) O. Quentin Hyder, a psychiatrist in New York City, analyzed the records of Jesus' behavior, personality and relationships for symptoms of psychiatric disorders. He said that the evidence does not support the notion that Jesus was a lunatic. Hyder concluded by saying, "A person is free to maintain that Jesus, out of honest delusion, made His claim to deity. But if one takes this position, he does so without any psychological evidence in its support and, indeed, in spite of considerable evidence to the contrary."
    -Jesus lived a sinless, perfect life. His closest companions confirmed this:
    1 Peter 1: 18-19, 2: 21-24,
    2 Corinthians 5:21,
    Hebrews 4:15, 7: 26-27,
    1 John 2:1, 3:5.
    -Even His enemies, those who betrayed and crucified Him, acknowledged His perfect life:
    Matthew 27: 3-4,
    Luke 23: 14-15,
    John 8:46.
    -Jesus' words, His character, and His influence all attest that Jesus was more than a mortal man.
    -Jesus' sinless life proves he was from God and was the Messiah as was predicted in the Old Testament (Isaiah 53:9). 
    -Jesus has all of the attributes of deity, including
    1) Omnipotence - Matthew 28:18,
    2) Omniscience - John 1:48,
    3) Omnipresence - Matthew 18:20.

    -Jesus did the works of deity, including
    1) Creation - John 1:3,
    2) Raising the dead - John 11: 43-44,
    3) and is assigned power to judge the living and the dead - 2 Thessalonians 1: 7-8.
    -And He was worshiped as deity - Matthew 14:33.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 9:49 AM ET #2604

    If Jesus was who He said He was, you and I are under judgment. If we say He was not God, we must somehow reconcile Jesus' message, the evidence, and much of history. Historically, we can be as certain of what we read about Christ in the Bible as almost any other recorded event. Refusing to believe in Jesus is not because of lack of evidence. Refusing to believe can only be because we thumb our nose at God, or that we are unwilling to change. 

    -Why should the Christian hope of eschatological resurrection appear to modern man as nothing more than wishful thinking? The answer lies in the Christian conviction that a man has been proleptically raised by God from the dead as the forerunner and examplar of our own eschatological resurrection. That man was Jesus of Nazareth, and His historical resurrection from the dead constitutes the factual foundation upon which the Christian hope is based.
            -According to Galatians 1:18, Paul was in Jerusalem three years after his conversion, during which he conferred with Peter and James over a 2 week period. Since Paul was converted in AD 33, this means that the list of witnesses goes back to within the first 5 years after Jesus' death. Thus, it is idle to dismiss these appearances and legendary. 

    1) Appearance to Peter: Galatians 1:8, Luke 24:34. As a result, even the most skeptical NT critics agree that Peter experienced something which he called an appearance of Jesus alive from the dead.
    2) Appearance to the Twelve: Luke 24: 36-43, John 20: 19-20. The most notable feature of these stories is the traditions passed on by Luke and John of the physical demonstrations of Jesus showing His wounds and eating with the disciples. The purpose of the physical demonstrations is to show two things: first, that Jesus was raised physically and second, that he was the same Jesus who had been crucified. Thus, they served to demonstrate both corporeality and continuity of the resurrection body. There can be little doubt that this occurred, because it is vouched for by Paul, who had personal contact with the 12 disciples, and described by both Luke and John. 
    3) Appearance to the 500 brethren: Jesus appeared to 500 people at one time! This would make one inclined to be rather skeptical of this appearance, but it comes from old information which Paul had received and Paul himself apparently had personal contact with these people, since he knew that some had died. 
    4) Appearance to James: This is one of the most amazing appearances of all. James, Jesus' younger brother (as well as Jesus' other younger brothers), apparently did not believe Jesus was the Messiah, a prophet, or anybody special (Mark 3:21, 31-5, John 7: 1-10). But after the resurrection, Jesus' brothers unexpectedly pop up in the Christian fellowship in the upper room in Jerusalem (Acts 1:14). Not only James, but Jesus' other brothers became believers and were active in Christian preaching (1 Corinthians 9:5). During Jesus' lifetime, his brothers did not believe Him. It is equally certain that they became ardent Christians active in the church. Can there be any doubt that the reason for this remarkable transformation is to be found in the fact that "then he appeared to James"? Even the skeptical New Testament critic Hans Grass calls the conversion of James one of the surest proofs of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
    5) Appearance to all of the apostles: Acts 1: 21-22. Once again, the facility of this appearance is guaranteed by Paul's personal contact with the apostles themselves.
    6) Appearance to Saul of Tarsus: "last of all," says Paul, "he appeared also to me." The story of Jesus' appearance to Saul of Tarsus (or Paul) just outside of Damascus is related in Acts 9: 1-9 and is later told again twice. That this event actually occurred is established beyond a shadow of a doubt by Paul's references to it in his own letters. This event changed Paul's whole life. He was a Rabbi, a Pharisee, a respected Jewish leader. He hated the Christian heresy and did everything he could to stamp it out. He was even responsible for the execution of Christian believers. Then suddenly he gave up everything. He left his position as a respected Jewish leader and became a Christian missionary. He entered a life of poverty, labor, and suffering. He was whipped, beaten, stoned and left for dead, shipwrecked 3 times, in constant danger, deprivation, and anxiety. Finally, he made the ultimate sacrifice and was martyred for his faith in Rome. And it was all because that day outside Damascus, he saw "Jesus our Lord" (1 Corinthians 9:1).
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    If Jesus was who He said He was, you and I are under judgment. If we say He was not God, we must somehow reconcile Jesus' message, the evidence, and much of history. Historically, we can be as certain of what we read about Christ in the Bible as almost any other recorded event. Refusing to believe in Jesus is not because of lack of evidence. Refusing to believe can only be because we thumb our nose at God, or that we are unwilling to change. 

    -Why should the Christian hope of eschatological resurrection appear to modern man as nothing more than wishful thinking? The answer lies in the Christian conviction that a man has been proleptically raised by God from the dead as the forerunner and examplar of our own eschatological resurrection. That man was Jesus of Nazareth, and His historical resurrection from the dead constitutes the factual foundation upon which the Christian hope is based.
            -According to Galatians 1:18, Paul was in Jerusalem three years after his conversion, during which he conferred with Peter and James over a 2 week period. Since Paul was converted in AD 33, this means that the list of witnesses goes back to within the first 5 years after Jesus' death. Thus, it is idle to dismiss these appearances and legendary. 

    1) Appearance to Peter: Galatians 1:8, Luke 24:34. As a result, even the most skeptical NT critics agree that Peter experienced something which he called an appearance of Jesus alive from the dead.
    2) Appearance to the Twelve: Luke 24: 36-43, John 20: 19-20. The most notable feature of these stories is the traditions passed on by Luke and John of the physical demonstrations of Jesus showing His wounds and eating with the disciples. The purpose of the physical demonstrations is to show two things: first, that Jesus was raised physically and second, that he was the same Jesus who had been crucified. Thus, they served to demonstrate both corporeality and continuity of the resurrection body. There can be little doubt that this occurred, because it is vouched for by Paul, who had personal contact with the 12 disciples, and described by both Luke and John. 
    3) Appearance to the 500 brethren: Jesus appeared to 500 people at one time! This would make one inclined to be rather skeptical of this appearance, but it comes from old information which Paul had received and Paul himself apparently had personal contact with these people, since he knew that some had died. 
    4) Appearance to James: This is one of the most amazing appearances of all. James, Jesus' younger brother (as well as Jesus' other younger brothers), apparently did not believe Jesus was the Messiah, a prophet, or anybody special (Mark 3:21, 31-5, John 7: 1-10). But after the resurrection, Jesus' brothers unexpectedly pop up in the Christian fellowship in the upper room in Jerusalem (Acts 1:14). Not only James, but Jesus' other brothers became believers and were active in Christian preaching (1 Corinthians 9:5). During Jesus' lifetime, his brothers did not believe Him. It is equally certain that they became ardent Christians active in the church. Can there be any doubt that the reason for this remarkable transformation is to be found in the fact that "then he appeared to James"? Even the skeptical New Testament critic Hans Grass calls the conversion of James one of the surest proofs of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
    5) Appearance to all of the apostles: Acts 1: 21-22. Once again, the facility of this appearance is guaranteed by Paul's personal contact with the apostles themselves.
    6) Appearance to Saul of Tarsus: "last of all," says Paul, "he appeared also to me." The story of Jesus' appearance to Saul of Tarsus (or Paul) just outside of Damascus is related in Acts 9: 1-9 and is later told again twice. That this event actually occurred is established beyond a shadow of a doubt by Paul's references to it in his own letters. This event changed Paul's whole life. He was a Rabbi, a Pharisee, a respected Jewish leader. He hated the Christian heresy and did everything he could to stamp it out. He was even responsible for the execution of Christian believers. Then suddenly he gave up everything. He left his position as a respected Jewish leader and became a Christian missionary. He entered a life of poverty, labor, and suffering. He was whipped, beaten, stoned and left for dead, shipwrecked 3 times, in constant danger, deprivation, and anxiety. Finally, he made the ultimate sacrifice and was martyred for his faith in Rome. And it was all because that day outside Damascus, he saw "Jesus our Lord" (1 Corinthians 9:1).
     
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    -We can try to explain these appearances away as hallucinations if we like, but we cannot deny that they occurred. According to Norman Perrin, the late NT critic of the University of Chicago: "The more we study the tradition with regard to the appearances, the firmer the rock begins to appear upon which they are based." This conclusion is virtually indisputable. 

    -The empty tomb:
    1) The historical reliability of the burial story supports the empty tomb. Jesus' burial is described in the earliest gospel (Mark 15: 42-47). If the burial account is accurate, then the site of Jesus' grave was known to person and Christian alike. In that care, it is a very short inference to historicity of the empty tomb. For is Jesus had not risen and the burial site were known: 
           -The disciples could never have believed in the resurrection of Jesus. For a first century person the idea of a man might be raised from the dead while his body remained in the tomb was simply a contradiction in terms. 
           -Even if the disciples had believed in the resurrection of Jesus, it is doubtful they would have generated any following. So long as the body was interred inside the tomb, a Christian movement founded on belief in the resurrection of the dead man would have been an impossible folly.
           -The Jewish authorities would have exposed the whole affair. The quickest and surest answer to the proclamation of the resurrection of Jesus would have been to simply to point to his grave on the hillside. 
    -For these 3 reasons, the accuracy of the burial story supports the historicity of the empty tomb. 
    2) Paul's testimony supports the fact of the empty tomb.
    3) The empty tomb story is part of the pre-Markan passion story and therefore is very old (Mark 16: 1-8). The fact that Mark's gospel is the earliest of our gospel's, that in itself makes it quite old. Paul's account of the Last Supper in 1 Corinthians 11: 23-5 presupposes the Markan account. The pre-Markan passion story never refers to the high priest by name. If I said "The President is hosting a dinner at the White House," everybody would know who I was talking about because it is the man that currently holds office. Similarly, the pre-Markan passion story refers to the "high priest" as if he were still in power. Since Caiaphas held office from AD 18-37, this means at the latest the pre-Markan source must come from within seven years after Jesus' death. This source thus goes back to within the first few years of the Jerusalem fellowship and is therefore an ancient and reliable source of historical information.
    4) The story is simple and lacks legendary development. The empty tomb story is uncolored by the theological and apologetical motifs that would be characteristic of a later legendary account. 
    5) The tomb was probably discovered by women: To understand this point, one has to understand two facts about the role of women in Jewish society.
              -Women occupied a low rung on the Jewish social ladder. 
              -The testimony of women was regarded as so worthless that they were not even permitted to serve as legal witnesses in a court of law. In light of these facts, how remarkable must it seem that it is women who are the discoverers of Jesus' empty tomb. Any later legend would certainly have made the male disciples to discover the empty tomb. The fact that women, whose testimony was worthless, rather than men, are the chief witness to the empty tomb is most plausibly accounted for by the fact that, like it or not, they were the discoverers of the empty tomb and the gospels accurately recorded this.
    6) The earliest Jewish polemic presupposes the empty tomb. In Matthew 28, the polemic asserted that the disciples stole away the body. The Christians responded to this by reciting the story of the guard at the tomb, and the polemic in turn charged that the guard fell asleep. The noteworthy feature of this whole dispute is not the historicity of the guards but rather the presupposition of both parties that the body was missing. The earliest Jewish response to the proclamation of the resurrection was an attempt to explain away the empty tomb. Thus, the evidence of the adversaries of the disciples provides evidence in support of the empty tomb. 
    -D.H. van Daalen, "It is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions."
    -The origin of Christianity: Even the most skeptical scholars admit that the earliest disciples at least believed that Jesus had been raised from the dead. Indeed, they pinned nearly everything on it. Without belief in the resurrection of Jesus, Christianity could have never come into being. The crucifixion would have remained the final tragedy in the hapless life of Jesus. The origin of Christianity hinges on the belief of these earliest disciples that Jesus had risen from the dead.
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    -We can try to explain these appearances away as hallucinations if we like, but we cannot deny that they occurred. According to Norman Perrin, the late NT critic of the University of Chicago: "The more we study the tradition with regard to the appearances, the firmer the rock begins to appear upon which they are based." This conclusion is virtually indisputable. 

    -The empty tomb:
    1) The historical reliability of the burial story supports the empty tomb. Jesus' burial is described in the earliest gospel (Mark 15: 42-47). If the burial account is accurate, then the site of Jesus' grave was known to person and Christian alike. In that care, it is a very short inference to historicity of the empty tomb. For is Jesus had not risen and the burial site were known: 
           -The disciples could never have believed in the resurrection of Jesus. For a first century person the idea of a man might be raised from the dead while his body remained in the tomb was simply a contradiction in terms. 
           -Even if the disciples had believed in the resurrection of Jesus, it is doubtful they would have generated any following. So long as the body was interred inside the tomb, a Christian movement founded on belief in the resurrection of the dead man would have been an impossible folly.
           -The Jewish authorities would have exposed the whole affair. The quickest and surest answer to the proclamation of the resurrection of Jesus would have been to simply to point to his grave on the hillside. 
    -For these 3 reasons, the accuracy of the burial story supports the historicity of the empty tomb. 
    2) Paul's testimony supports the fact of the empty tomb.
    3) The empty tomb story is part of the pre-Markan passion story and therefore is very old (Mark 16: 1-8). The fact that Mark's gospel is the earliest of our gospel's, that in itself makes it quite old. Paul's account of the Last Supper in 1 Corinthians 11: 23-5 presupposes the Markan account. The pre-Markan passion story never refers to the high priest by name. If I said "The President is hosting a dinner at the White House," everybody would know who I was talking about because it is the man that currently holds office. Similarly, the pre-Markan passion story refers to the "high priest" as if he were still in power. Since Caiaphas held office from AD 18-37, this means at the latest the pre-Markan source must come from within seven years after Jesus' death. This source thus goes back to within the first few years of the Jerusalem fellowship and is therefore an ancient and reliable source of historical information.
    4) The story is simple and lacks legendary development. The empty tomb story is uncolored by the theological and apologetical motifs that would be characteristic of a later legendary account. 
    5) The tomb was probably discovered by women: To understand this point, one has to understand two facts about the role of women in Jewish society.
              -Women occupied a low rung on the Jewish social ladder. 
              -The testimony of women was regarded as so worthless that they were not even permitted to serve as legal witnesses in a court of law. In light of these facts, how remarkable must it seem that it is women who are the discoverers of Jesus' empty tomb. Any later legend would certainly have made the male disciples to discover the empty tomb. The fact that women, whose testimony was worthless, rather than men, are the chief witness to the empty tomb is most plausibly accounted for by the fact that, like it or not, they were the discoverers of the empty tomb and the gospels accurately recorded this.
    6) The earliest Jewish polemic presupposes the empty tomb. In Matthew 28, the polemic asserted that the disciples stole away the body. The Christians responded to this by reciting the story of the guard at the tomb, and the polemic in turn charged that the guard fell asleep. The noteworthy feature of this whole dispute is not the historicity of the guards but rather the presupposition of both parties that the body was missing. The earliest Jewish response to the proclamation of the resurrection was an attempt to explain away the empty tomb. Thus, the evidence of the adversaries of the disciples provides evidence in support of the empty tomb. 
    -D.H. van Daalen, "It is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions."
    -The origin of Christianity: Even the most skeptical scholars admit that the earliest disciples at least believed that Jesus had been raised from the dead. Indeed, they pinned nearly everything on it. Without belief in the resurrection of Jesus, Christianity could have never come into being. The crucifixion would have remained the final tragedy in the hapless life of Jesus. The origin of Christianity hinges on the belief of these earliest disciples that Jesus had risen from the dead.
     
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    "Obviously, you are a Christian, so do you believe that the god written about in the bible is the only true god?"

    Almost every major religion teaches that Jesus was a prophet or a good teacher or a godly man. The problem is that the Bible tells us that Jesus was infinitely more than just a prophet, a good teacher, or a godly man. 

    So, who did Jesus claim to be? Who does the Bible say that He is? In  John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." On the surface, it may not look like Jesus is claiming to be God. But look at how the person responded to Jesus' statement. "'We are not stoning you for any of these,' replied the person, 'but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.'" The person understood Jesus' statement as a claim to be God. Following the person' accusations, Jesus never corrects them by saying that He was not God, thus indicating that Jesus was truly saying that He was God. The same thing happens again a little later on in the Gospel. Why would the person again want to stone Jesus if He had not said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God?

    John 1:1 says, "the Word was God." John 1:14 says, "the Word became flesh." This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. The disciple Thomas declared to Jesus, "My Lord and my God," in John 20:28. Jesus does not correct him. The apostle Paul describes Him as, "...our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ," in Titus 2:13. The apostle Peter says the same, "our God and Savior Jesus Christ," in 2 Peter 1:1. 

    Jesus clearly and undeniably claimed to be God. If He is not God, then He is a liar, and therefore not a prophet, good teacher, or godly man. The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty of the sins of the whole world. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt. Jesus had to be man so that He could die. Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus' deity is why He is the only way of salvation. Jesus' deity is why He proclaimed, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6).

    Unique among all other faiths, Christianity is more about a relationship than religious practices. Instead of adhering to a list of "do's" and "don'ts," the goal of a Christian is to cultivate a close walk with God, which is made possible because of the work of Jesus Christ and the ministry of the Holy Spirit. 
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    "Obviously, you are a Christian, so do you believe that the god written about in the bible is the only true god?"

    Almost every major religion teaches that Jesus was a prophet or a good teacher or a godly man. The problem is that the Bible tells us that Jesus was infinitely more than just a prophet, a good teacher, or a godly man. 

    So, who did Jesus claim to be? Who does the Bible say that He is? In  John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." On the surface, it may not look like Jesus is claiming to be God. But look at how the person responded to Jesus' statement. "'We are not stoning you for any of these,' replied the person, 'but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.'" The person understood Jesus' statement as a claim to be God. Following the person' accusations, Jesus never corrects them by saying that He was not God, thus indicating that Jesus was truly saying that He was God. The same thing happens again a little later on in the Gospel. Why would the person again want to stone Jesus if He had not said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God?

    John 1:1 says, "the Word was God." John 1:14 says, "the Word became flesh." This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. The disciple Thomas declared to Jesus, "My Lord and my God," in John 20:28. Jesus does not correct him. The apostle Paul describes Him as, "...our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ," in Titus 2:13. The apostle Peter says the same, "our God and Savior Jesus Christ," in 2 Peter 1:1. 

    Jesus clearly and undeniably claimed to be God. If He is not God, then He is a liar, and therefore not a prophet, good teacher, or godly man. The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty of the sins of the whole world. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt. Jesus had to be man so that He could die. Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus' deity is why He is the only way of salvation. Jesus' deity is why He proclaimed, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6).

    Unique among all other faiths, Christianity is more about a relationship than religious practices. Instead of adhering to a list of "do's" and "don'ts," the goal of a Christian is to cultivate a close walk with God, which is made possible because of the work of Jesus Christ and the ministry of the Holy Spirit. 
     
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    3) Credibility of Jesus' miracles.

    Now that we have established credibility for the Bible, let us take a look at the evidence that Jesus lived, among other details.

    Jesus was a Liar, a Lunatic, or Lord and God:
    C.S. Lewis, author, and professor at Cambridge University (and at one time an atheist) wrote, "I am trying here to prevent the one foolish thing many people often say about Jesus, 'I can accept Jesus as a good moral teacher, but not as God.'" That is one thing we cannot say. Jesus claimed to be God. If this wasn't true, saying it (along with the other statements He made) would mean He shouldn't be considered a good moral teacher. There are only 3 choices we have for Jesus: 1) He was wrong and he knew it (a liar); 2) He was wrong, but thought he was God (a lunatic); or, 3) He actually was Lord and God. So the choices include liar, lunatic, or Lord; if He was a liar or lunatic He should not be considered a good moral teacher. There is no disputing the fact that there was a man named Jesus who lived.

    Jesus Lived:
    F.F. Bruce, Professor at the University of Manchester writes "It is not historians who propagate a Christ-myth theory, for the historicity of Jesus Christ is as automatic for any unbiased historian as the historicity of Julius Caesar." Some of the non-Biblical sources for the historicity of Jesus Christ include Roman historian, Cornelious Tacitus (112 AD); Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus (103 AD); Roman historian, Suetonius (120 AD); jurist/theologian, Tertullian (197 AD). The list could go on and on.

    The Archo Volume:
    The Archo Volume is a 245 page book that contains letters between Pilate and Caesar; Valleus's notes to Pilate about the arrest trial and crucifixion of Jesus; Gamaliel's interviews with Joseph and Mary, and others about Jesus; Jonathan's interviews with some Bethlehem shepherds; and more. All of these are non-biblical documents which testify about the existence of Jesus.

    Prophecy About Jesus:
    Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies written at least 250 years before his birth. The chance of any one person fulfilling only 8 of these prophecies is 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 (1 in 10 to the 17th power). Even a skeptic should realize that's so improbable it must be supernatural. Now that is a very small number, but let's see just how small it is so we can put this in perspective: Suppose we take 10 to the 17th silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas; they will cover the entire state of Texas two feet thick. Now let's put an X on one of the silver dollars, mix them all up, and blindfold somebody and have them pick one of those silver dollars. The chance that he will get the one with the X is 1 in 10 to the 17th power.
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    3) Credibility of Jesus' miracles.

    Now that we have established credibility for the Bible, let us take a look at the evidence that Jesus lived, among other details.

    Jesus was a Liar, a Lunatic, or Lord and God:
    C.S. Lewis, author, and professor at Cambridge University (and at one time an atheist) wrote, "I am trying here to prevent the one foolish thing many people often say about Jesus, 'I can accept Jesus as a good moral teacher, but not as God.'" That is one thing we cannot say. Jesus claimed to be God. If this wasn't true, saying it (along with the other statements He made) would mean He shouldn't be considered a good moral teacher. There are only 3 choices we have for Jesus: 1) He was wrong and he knew it (a liar); 2) He was wrong, but thought he was God (a lunatic); or, 3) He actually was Lord and God. So the choices include liar, lunatic, or Lord; if He was a liar or lunatic He should not be considered a good moral teacher. There is no disputing the fact that there was a man named Jesus who lived.

    Jesus Lived:
    F.F. Bruce, Professor at the University of Manchester writes "It is not historians who propagate a Christ-myth theory, for the historicity of Jesus Christ is as automatic for any unbiased historian as the historicity of Julius Caesar." Some of the non-Biblical sources for the historicity of Jesus Christ include Roman historian, Cornelious Tacitus (112 AD); Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus (103 AD); Roman historian, Suetonius (120 AD); jurist/theologian, Tertullian (197 AD). The list could go on and on.

    The Archo Volume:
    The Archo Volume is a 245 page book that contains letters between Pilate and Caesar; Valleus's notes to Pilate about the arrest trial and crucifixion of Jesus; Gamaliel's interviews with Joseph and Mary, and others about Jesus; Jonathan's interviews with some Bethlehem shepherds; and more. All of these are non-biblical documents which testify about the existence of Jesus.

    Prophecy About Jesus:
    Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies written at least 250 years before his birth. The chance of any one person fulfilling only 8 of these prophecies is 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 (1 in 10 to the 17th power). Even a skeptic should realize that's so improbable it must be supernatural. Now that is a very small number, but let's see just how small it is so we can put this in perspective: Suppose we take 10 to the 17th silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas; they will cover the entire state of Texas two feet thick. Now let's put an X on one of the silver dollars, mix them all up, and blindfold somebody and have them pick one of those silver dollars. The chance that he will get the one with the X is 1 in 10 to the 17th power.
     
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    The Resurrection:
    The resurrection is perhaps the most important event which proves Christ's divinity (and the Bible's credibility). Jesus was born, lived 33 years, and died. Three executioners signed his death certificate. His body was wrapped in a burial cloth mixed with about one hundred pounds of spices. The Romans had heard the rumor about the Messiah coming back to life, and knew what problems it would cause if it came true. They took every precaution against it happening.

    The tomb was actually a cave. A large stone was placed in front of its entrance. The tomb was sealed with a seal (probably a cord was stretched across it and sealed with a wax stamp at each end). Ten to thirty armed guards guarded it, knowing they could be put to death if anything went wrong. However, three days later the tomb was empty. It should be noted that the stone placed in front of Jesus' tomb was so large that it required several men to carry it. Not only was the wax seal broken and the stone pushed aside, but it was moved up the road completely away from the entrance of the tomb. In addition to this, the tomb wasn't empty but still contained the grave clothes that Jesus was buried in (these were still wrapped up, as if the person inside had simply disappeared). 

    The NT contains six independent testimonies to the fact of the resurrection. These six men (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, and Paul) wrote 24 of the 27 books of the NT. Included in their testimonies are various eyewitness accounts as well as reports of other interviewed witnesses of the risen Jesus, including one of over 500 people at one time (1 Cor. 15:6).

    Were these witnesses credible? Critical minds who have considered their testimony point out that these witnesses were both competent and honest. For example, they had no impure motives for their testimony, such as fear, money, or ambition. They had the opportunity to know the truth, were mentally capable, were not gullible, and the documents of their testimony are reliable. There were more than an adequate number of witnesses to verify truth. And there is no contrary evidence.

    Simon Greenleaf, Professor of law at Harvard from 1833 to 1848 has been called the greatest authority on legal evidences in the history of the world. When Greenleaf applied legal evidences to the resurrection event, he concluded that it was an historical reality, and that anyone who examined the evidence for it honestly would be convinced this was the case.

    In the 1930s a British journalist who was trained in the law, named Frank Morrison, set out to do the world a favor by once and for all exposing the superstition of Christ's resurrection. However, by using the test of evidence permitted in a court of law, he became convicted against his will of the truth of the resurrection, and detailed his findings in a book that is still in print, called Who Moved the Stone.

    Perhaps the most powerful evidence is the sheer conviction of the disciples. For 40 years after the resurrection, these men traveled throughout the land telling what they knew to be true. All of them were persecuted and all but one eventually put to death for their faith as testimony to the resurrected Jesus. People simply will not martyr themselves for what they believe to be a lie. People will only give their life for what they are absolutely convinced is true.

    Many of the religious and political leaders of the day had every reason to quell the Christian movement by refuting the resurrection testimony. They were unable to disprove it. John R. W. Stott insists that the silence of Christ's enemies "is as eloquent a proof of the resurrection as the apostles' witness." 

    The early Christian leaders were not a superstitious people, unable to determine truth from reality. They lived in a civilized world of sophisticated Greek and Roman culture. These men were fishermen, carpenters, a physician (Luke), etc., and certainly understood the laws of nature. They attested to the miracles of Jesus in that framework.
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    The Resurrection:
    The resurrection is perhaps the most important event which proves Christ's divinity (and the Bible's credibility). Jesus was born, lived 33 years, and died. Three executioners signed his death certificate. His body was wrapped in a burial cloth mixed with about one hundred pounds of spices. The Romans had heard the rumor about the Messiah coming back to life, and knew what problems it would cause if it came true. They took every precaution against it happening.

    The tomb was actually a cave. A large stone was placed in front of its entrance. The tomb was sealed with a seal (probably a cord was stretched across it and sealed with a wax stamp at each end). Ten to thirty armed guards guarded it, knowing they could be put to death if anything went wrong. However, three days later the tomb was empty. It should be noted that the stone placed in front of Jesus' tomb was so large that it required several men to carry it. Not only was the wax seal broken and the stone pushed aside, but it was moved up the road completely away from the entrance of the tomb. In addition to this, the tomb wasn't empty but still contained the grave clothes that Jesus was buried in (these were still wrapped up, as if the person inside had simply disappeared). 

    The NT contains six independent testimonies to the fact of the resurrection. These six men (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, and Paul) wrote 24 of the 27 books of the NT. Included in their testimonies are various eyewitness accounts as well as reports of other interviewed witnesses of the risen Jesus, including one of over 500 people at one time (1 Cor. 15:6).

    Were these witnesses credible? Critical minds who have considered their testimony point out that these witnesses were both competent and honest. For example, they had no impure motives for their testimony, such as fear, money, or ambition. They had the opportunity to know the truth, were mentally capable, were not gullible, and the documents of their testimony are reliable. There were more than an adequate number of witnesses to verify truth. And there is no contrary evidence.

    Simon Greenleaf, Professor of law at Harvard from 1833 to 1848 has been called the greatest authority on legal evidences in the history of the world. When Greenleaf applied legal evidences to the resurrection event, he concluded that it was an historical reality, and that anyone who examined the evidence for it honestly would be convinced this was the case.

    In the 1930s a British journalist who was trained in the law, named Frank Morrison, set out to do the world a favor by once and for all exposing the superstition of Christ's resurrection. However, by using the test of evidence permitted in a court of law, he became convicted against his will of the truth of the resurrection, and detailed his findings in a book that is still in print, called Who Moved the Stone.

    Perhaps the most powerful evidence is the sheer conviction of the disciples. For 40 years after the resurrection, these men traveled throughout the land telling what they knew to be true. All of them were persecuted and all but one eventually put to death for their faith as testimony to the resurrected Jesus. People simply will not martyr themselves for what they believe to be a lie. People will only give their life for what they are absolutely convinced is true.

    Many of the religious and political leaders of the day had every reason to quell the Christian movement by refuting the resurrection testimony. They were unable to disprove it. John R. W. Stott insists that the silence of Christ's enemies "is as eloquent a proof of the resurrection as the apostles' witness." 

    The early Christian leaders were not a superstitious people, unable to determine truth from reality. They lived in a civilized world of sophisticated Greek and Roman culture. These men were fishermen, carpenters, a physician (Luke), etc., and certainly understood the laws of nature. They attested to the miracles of Jesus in that framework.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k

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    Let's now get specifically to the details surrounding Jesus' miracles.

    1) What Do Miracles Prove/Show?
    Miracles accomplished the following purposes:

    A. The Bible claims that miracles prove God exists and is the True God.
    a. The plagues on Egypt.
    -Exodus 9: 13-16; 10: 1,2 - The plagues on Egypt occurred so people throughout the world and even in future generations (which includes us today) would know Jehovah is the true God. And sure enough, people throughout history have heard of the plagues God brought on Egypt through Moses.
    -Exodus 12:12 - The plagues were also a judgment on the gods of Egypt. The main point is that Egyptian gods could not do such great works as these, nor could they resist the power of God. So God proved He is the true God in contrast to heathen idols.

    b. Crossing the Red Sea.
    -Exodus 14:18, 31 - The ultimate goal of the parting of the Sea was that God might gain honor, so the people would fear the Lord and believe in Him.
    -Joshua 24:5-7, 14 - As a result of these miracles, God would be honored and people would forsake other gods and serve only the true God.

    c. Manna in the Wilderness.
    -Exodus 16:12-15, 31-35 - God provided Manna as food for Israel for forty years as they traveled to Canaan. It fell like dew on the ground, so each morning they had simply to gather it for food. This confirmed to the people the existence of God.

    d. Giving the law at Mt. Sinai.
    -Deuteronomy 4:32-40 - Moses said that God led Israel out of Egypt by signs and wonders and then spoke to them out of great fire "that you might know that the Lord Himself is God; there is none other besides Him."

    e. Crossing the Jordan on dry ground.
    -Joshua 4:22-24 - God caused the Jordan to stop flowing, so Israel could pass on dry ground. This gave people reason to fear the Lord as God forever.

    f. Elijah on Mt. Carmel.
    -1 Kings 18:36-39 - God sent fire from heaven (which Baal could not do) so people would know to believe in the true God and that Elijah was acting by God's authority.

    g. Daniel's three friends in the fiery furnace.
    -Daniel 3 - Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon commanded men to bow to his image or be thrown into a fiery furnace. Daniel's three friends refused and were thrown in but were not harmed. Nebuchadnezzar decreed that no other god could deliver like that.
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    Let's now get specifically to the details surrounding Jesus' miracles.

    1) What Do Miracles Prove/Show?
    Miracles accomplished the following purposes:

    A. The Bible claims that miracles prove God exists and is the True God.
    a. The plagues on Egypt.
    -Exodus 9: 13-16; 10: 1,2 - The plagues on Egypt occurred so people throughout the world and even in future generations (which includes us today) would know Jehovah is the true God. And sure enough, people throughout history have heard of the plagues God brought on Egypt through Moses.
    -Exodus 12:12 - The plagues were also a judgment on the gods of Egypt. The main point is that Egyptian gods could not do such great works as these, nor could they resist the power of God. So God proved He is the true God in contrast to heathen idols.

    b. Crossing the Red Sea.
    -Exodus 14:18, 31 - The ultimate goal of the parting of the Sea was that God might gain honor, so the people would fear the Lord and believe in Him.
    -Joshua 24:5-7, 14 - As a result of these miracles, God would be honored and people would forsake other gods and serve only the true God.

    c. Manna in the Wilderness.
    -Exodus 16:12-15, 31-35 - God provided Manna as food for Israel for forty years as they traveled to Canaan. It fell like dew on the ground, so each morning they had simply to gather it for food. This confirmed to the people the existence of God.

    d. Giving the law at Mt. Sinai.
    -Deuteronomy 4:32-40 - Moses said that God led Israel out of Egypt by signs and wonders and then spoke to them out of great fire "that you might know that the Lord Himself is God; there is none other besides Him."

    e. Crossing the Jordan on dry ground.
    -Joshua 4:22-24 - God caused the Jordan to stop flowing, so Israel could pass on dry ground. This gave people reason to fear the Lord as God forever.

    f. Elijah on Mt. Carmel.
    -1 Kings 18:36-39 - God sent fire from heaven (which Baal could not do) so people would know to believe in the true God and that Elijah was acting by God's authority.

    g. Daniel's three friends in the fiery furnace.
    -Daniel 3 - Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon commanded men to bow to his image or be thrown into a fiery furnace. Daniel's three friends refused and were thrown in but were not harmed. Nebuchadnezzar decreed that no other god could deliver like that.
     
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    Old Testament and New Testament miracles confirm the existence of God. Such events are impossible by natural means. The fact that they occurred proves there must be a God. And the fact these miracles were done by the God who guided the Bible writers proves that He is the true God, since no other "gods" can duplicate these acts.

    B. The Bible claims that miracles prove Jesus is God's Son as He claimed.
    The miracles Jesus performed attest to His exalted spiritual office, His deity. They provide evidence that He was God made flesh, and dwelt with humans (John 1:1, 14). Consider these examples.

    a. Matthew 8:27 - When Jesus stilled the storm, the disciples cried out, "Who can this be, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?"

    b. John 2:23 - When he was in Jerusalem on the Passover "many believed in His name when they saw the signs which He did."

    c. John 6:14 - When Jesus fed thousands from five loaves of bread and two fishes, the people said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world."

    d. Mark 2:3-12 - Jesus claimed that His power to heal proved He also had power to forgive sins, which only God could do.

    e. John 3:2 - Nicodemus said people knew Jesus was a teacher come from God, since no one could do the works Jesus did unless God was with him.

    f. John 5:36 - Jesus declared his miracles to be evidence he had come from God - and was God.

    g. John 10:37, 38; 14:10, 11 - Jesus claimed people should believe His works, so they would know the Father is in Him and He in the Father.

    h. Acts 2:22-24 - God gave testimony to Jesus by doing wonders, signs, and miracles through Him. The point is that Jesus did works that were impossible by natural law. If He had been an imposter, God would not have allowed Him to do such works. The fact God allowed Him to do them would confirm the validity of His claims.
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    Old Testament and New Testament miracles confirm the existence of God. Such events are impossible by natural means. The fact that they occurred proves there must be a God. And the fact these miracles were done by the God who guided the Bible writers proves that He is the true God, since no other "gods" can duplicate these acts.

    B. The Bible claims that miracles prove Jesus is God's Son as He claimed.
    The miracles Jesus performed attest to His exalted spiritual office, His deity. They provide evidence that He was God made flesh, and dwelt with humans (John 1:1, 14). Consider these examples.

    a. Matthew 8:27 - When Jesus stilled the storm, the disciples cried out, "Who can this be, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?"

    b. John 2:23 - When he was in Jerusalem on the Passover "many believed in His name when they saw the signs which He did."

    c. John 6:14 - When Jesus fed thousands from five loaves of bread and two fishes, the people said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world."

    d. Mark 2:3-12 - Jesus claimed that His power to heal proved He also had power to forgive sins, which only God could do.

    e. John 3:2 - Nicodemus said people knew Jesus was a teacher come from God, since no one could do the works Jesus did unless God was with him.

    f. John 5:36 - Jesus declared his miracles to be evidence he had come from God - and was God.

    g. John 10:37, 38; 14:10, 11 - Jesus claimed people should believe His works, so they would know the Father is in Him and He in the Father.

    h. Acts 2:22-24 - God gave testimony to Jesus by doing wonders, signs, and miracles through Him. The point is that Jesus did works that were impossible by natural law. If He had been an imposter, God would not have allowed Him to do such works. The fact God allowed Him to do them would confirm the validity of His claims.
     
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    C. The Bible claims that miracles prove Bible writers (& other Prophets) were inspired by God.
    Bible writers and prophets said that miracles done through them confirmed that their message was from God.

    a. Old Testament prophets.
    -Exodus 4:1-9 - Moses feared that the people would not believe God had sent him. So God gave him signs expressly to convince the people to believe.
    -Exodus 14:30, 31 - After the crossing of the Red Sea, the people believed the Lord and His servant Moses.
    -Joshua 3:7-17 - When Joshua led Israel across the Jordan on dry ground, God said this showed the people that He was with Joshua as He had been with Moses.

    b. New Testament prophets.
    -Mark 16:20 - Jesus sent apostles to preach, and as they did so, He worked with them, confirming the word by the signs He gave them.
    -Acts 14:3 - God spoke through Paul and Barnabas. He bore witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands.
    -2 Corinthians 12:11, 12 - Signs, wonders, and miracles would confirm one was an apostle.
    -Hebrews 2:3, 4 - God bore witness to the message of salvation by signs, wonders, etc.

    People needed a way to distinguish true prophets from false ones. If men could do works that could be performed only by the power of God, people would know God was working in those men and they would believe the message preached. Miracles were a deliberate demonstration by God to prove that He exists, that Jesus is His Son, and that the Bible writers and prophets were His spokesmen.

    D. Biblical miracles show expressions of God's character and love.
    A valuable way of understanding the meaning of miracles is to examine the various terms for miracles used in the Bible. Both the OT and the NT use the word sign (Is. 7:11, 14; John 2:11) to denote a miracle that points to a deeper revelation. Wonder (Joel 2:30; Mark 13:22) emphasizes the effect of the miracle, causing awe and even terror. A work (Matt. 11:2) points to the presence of God in history, acting for mankind. The NT uses the word power (Mark 6:7) to emphasize God's acting in strength. These terms often overlap in meaning (Acts 2:43). These terms are also more specific than the more general term "miracle." As with the OT, the NT miracles are essentially expressions of God's salvation and glory.

    Why did Jesus perform miracles? Jesus answered this question Himself: "The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor" (Matt. 11:5). With these words, Jesus declared that His miracles were the fulfillment of the promises of the Messiah's kingdom as foretold by Isaiah (24:18-19; 35:5-6; 61:1). Jesus' miracles were signs of the presence of the kingdom of God (Matt. 12:39).

    This theme of the miracles pointing to the kingdom of God was developed and deepened especially in the Gospel of John. John presented the miracles of Jesus as "signs" on seven occasions. He thought of these miracles as pointing to deep spiritual truth, demanding obedient faith (John 2:11, 23-25).

    Jesus also understood His miracles as evidences of the presence of the kingdom in His ministry (Matt 11:2-5; 12:28). Every miracle story was a sign that God's salvation was present. But not only did the kingdom come; it came in great power, because the dead were raised (Is. 26:19; Luke 7:11-15) and Satan was bound (Mark 3:27). Jesus' miracles were also performed upon the most unlikely people. Jesus consciously brought the salvation of God to those who were rejected. He healed the lame (Matt. 9:1-8), the dumb (Matt 9:32-33), and lepers (Luke 17:11-19). Jesus brought the kingdom to all, regardless of their condition. But Jesus' miracles were not theatrical sensations. He demanded faith of others (Matt 9:2). The hemorrhaging woman was healed because of her faith (Matt 9:18-26). Finally, we gain a deeper understanding of Jesus in His miracles.  He is the Lord over nature (Mark 4:35-41) and death (Luke 8:41-46; John 11:1-44). He is the Suffering Servant who bears the infirmities of others (Matt 8:16-17). He is the Messiah who was to come (Matt 11:2-6). He fights the battle against evil (Mark 3:23-30; Luke 11:18-23).
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    C. The Bible claims that miracles prove Bible writers (& other Prophets) were inspired by God.
    Bible writers and prophets said that miracles done through them confirmed that their message was from God.

    a. Old Testament prophets.
    -Exodus 4:1-9 - Moses feared that the people would not believe God had sent him. So God gave him signs expressly to convince the people to believe.
    -Exodus 14:30, 31 - After the crossing of the Red Sea, the people believed the Lord and His servant Moses.
    -Joshua 3:7-17 - When Joshua led Israel across the Jordan on dry ground, God said this showed the people that He was with Joshua as He had been with Moses.

    b. New Testament prophets.
    -Mark 16:20 - Jesus sent apostles to preach, and as they did so, He worked with them, confirming the word by the signs He gave them.
    -Acts 14:3 - God spoke through Paul and Barnabas. He bore witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands.
    -2 Corinthians 12:11, 12 - Signs, wonders, and miracles would confirm one was an apostle.
    -Hebrews 2:3, 4 - God bore witness to the message of salvation by signs, wonders, etc.

    People needed a way to distinguish true prophets from false ones. If men could do works that could be performed only by the power of God, people would know God was working in those men and they would believe the message preached. Miracles were a deliberate demonstration by God to prove that He exists, that Jesus is His Son, and that the Bible writers and prophets were His spokesmen.

    D. Biblical miracles show expressions of God's character and love.
    A valuable way of understanding the meaning of miracles is to examine the various terms for miracles used in the Bible. Both the OT and the NT use the word sign (Is. 7:11, 14; John 2:11) to denote a miracle that points to a deeper revelation. Wonder (Joel 2:30; Mark 13:22) emphasizes the effect of the miracle, causing awe and even terror. A work (Matt. 11:2) points to the presence of God in history, acting for mankind. The NT uses the word power (Mark 6:7) to emphasize God's acting in strength. These terms often overlap in meaning (Acts 2:43). These terms are also more specific than the more general term "miracle." As with the OT, the NT miracles are essentially expressions of God's salvation and glory.

    Why did Jesus perform miracles? Jesus answered this question Himself: "The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor" (Matt. 11:5). With these words, Jesus declared that His miracles were the fulfillment of the promises of the Messiah's kingdom as foretold by Isaiah (24:18-19; 35:5-6; 61:1). Jesus' miracles were signs of the presence of the kingdom of God (Matt. 12:39).

    This theme of the miracles pointing to the kingdom of God was developed and deepened especially in the Gospel of John. John presented the miracles of Jesus as "signs" on seven occasions. He thought of these miracles as pointing to deep spiritual truth, demanding obedient faith (John 2:11, 23-25).

    Jesus also understood His miracles as evidences of the presence of the kingdom in His ministry (Matt 11:2-5; 12:28). Every miracle story was a sign that God's salvation was present. But not only did the kingdom come; it came in great power, because the dead were raised (Is. 26:19; Luke 7:11-15) and Satan was bound (Mark 3:27). Jesus' miracles were also performed upon the most unlikely people. Jesus consciously brought the salvation of God to those who were rejected. He healed the lame (Matt. 9:1-8), the dumb (Matt 9:32-33), and lepers (Luke 17:11-19). Jesus brought the kingdom to all, regardless of their condition. But Jesus' miracles were not theatrical sensations. He demanded faith of others (Matt 9:2). The hemorrhaging woman was healed because of her faith (Matt 9:18-26). Finally, we gain a deeper understanding of Jesus in His miracles.  He is the Lord over nature (Mark 4:35-41) and death (Luke 8:41-46; John 11:1-44). He is the Suffering Servant who bears the infirmities of others (Matt 8:16-17). He is the Messiah who was to come (Matt 11:2-6). He fights the battle against evil (Mark 3:23-30; Luke 11:18-23).
     
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    2) Science vs Miracles:
    Jesus' teaching on the reign of God was related to Israel's hopes of fulfillment and to answering the problem of evil. Yet, if Jesus merely challenged people with strange stories and confronting sayings, he would be easily dismissed as just another religious "nut." Jesus not only spoke about the kingdom, he reinforced His message through what came to be described as wondrous deeds and miraculous events. To modern ears, influenced by scientific understandings of causality and the laws of nature, Jesus' miracle stories are met with skepticism. And yet, contemporary secular culture greets stories of the paranormal with an increased degree of interest... ironic isn't it.

    There are only two possible explanations for the miracle stories in the Gospels. Either Jesus' miracles happened or they did not. Many scholars have opted for the second alternative, casting doubt on the Bible's truth. They may accept the value of Jesus' moral teachings but consider the miracles to be stories with a lesson, or pious frauds.

    Many scholars have been suspicious of the biblical miracles because they could not be explained by natural means. The French philologist and historian Ernest Renan (1823-1892) said, "No miracle has ever taken place under conditions which science can accept."

    True, science cannot demonstrate that the miracles ascribed to Jesus really occurred. However, just because we cannot explain miracles scientifically does not mean they did not take place. To prove or disprove any natural phenomenon, science typically depends on verifiable, repeatable experimentation. Science depends upon observation and replication. Miracles, such as the Incarnation (Christ's virgin birth) and the Resurrection, are by their very nature unprecedented events. No one can replicate these events in a laboratory. Miracles are, by nature, unrepeatable - the result of God supernaturally suspending, or transcending, the created order and the laws of nature. Hence, science simply cannot be the judge and jury as to whether or not these events occurred. Since the Bible states that Jesus' miracles were accomplished by supernatural power, we should not expect to find any natural explanation. By definition, a miracle is something beyond the scope of science to explain. Author Ron Rhodes says, "The scientific method is useful for studying nature, but not super-nature." Miracles deviate from the known laws of nature by definition. Science and scholarship can neither confirm nor deny whether Jesus performed miracles.

    Laws of Logic vs Laws of Nature:
    The laws of logic are sometimes confused with the laws of nature. The laws of logic are prescriptive. They define the basic and inviolable parameters and unavoidable patterns of human thinking. On the other hand, the laws of nature are descriptive. They are a record of how the natural world normally operates. Scientific laws don;t control or explain events. They are only a generalized record of those events. The laws of logic constitute a perfect standard. The laws of nature describe actual reality. God can suspend the laws of nature at will because He designed them. He would not (and actually cannot) violate the laws of logic, because they are a part of His nature. C.S. Lewis said, "If a man has no conception of a regular order in nature, then of course he could not notice departures from that order. When the disciples saw Christ walking on the water, they were frightened: they would not have been frightened unless they had known the laws of nature, and know that this was an exception."

    Science, Nature, and Scripture:
    I believe that nature and Scripture, properly interpreted, do not conflict. God has communicated to humankind both by general revelation (nature; the observable universe) and special revelation (the Bible). Since both of these revelations come from God - and since God does not contradict Himself - we must conclude that these two revelations are in agreement with each other. While there may be conflicts between one's interpretation of the observable universe and one's interpretation of the Bible, there's no ultimate contradiction.

    We might say that science is a fallible human interpretation of the observable universe while theology is a fallible human interpretation of the Scriptures. Science historian Thomas Kuhn proved in his book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions - that is, science is in a constant state of change. New discoveries have consistently cause old scientific paradigms to be discarded in favor of newer paradigms.

    Here is the point: It is not nature and Scripture that contradict; rather, it is science (man's fallible interpretation of nature) and theology (man's fallible interpretation of Scripture) that sometimes fall into conflict. Hence one cannot simply dismiss certain parts of the Bible because "science and the Bible contradict."
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    2) Science vs Miracles:
    Jesus' teaching on the reign of God was related to Israel's hopes of fulfillment and to answering the problem of evil. Yet, if Jesus merely challenged people with strange stories and confronting sayings, he would be easily dismissed as just another religious "nut." Jesus not only spoke about the kingdom, he reinforced His message through what came to be described as wondrous deeds and miraculous events. To modern ears, influenced by scientific understandings of causality and the laws of nature, Jesus' miracle stories are met with skepticism. And yet, contemporary secular culture greets stories of the paranormal with an increased degree of interest... ironic isn't it.

    There are only two possible explanations for the miracle stories in the Gospels. Either Jesus' miracles happened or they did not. Many scholars have opted for the second alternative, casting doubt on the Bible's truth. They may accept the value of Jesus' moral teachings but consider the miracles to be stories with a lesson, or pious frauds.

    Many scholars have been suspicious of the biblical miracles because they could not be explained by natural means. The French philologist and historian Ernest Renan (1823-1892) said, "No miracle has ever taken place under conditions which science can accept."

    True, science cannot demonstrate that the miracles ascribed to Jesus really occurred. However, just because we cannot explain miracles scientifically does not mean they did not take place. To prove or disprove any natural phenomenon, science typically depends on verifiable, repeatable experimentation. Science depends upon observation and replication. Miracles, such as the Incarnation (Christ's virgin birth) and the Resurrection, are by their very nature unprecedented events. No one can replicate these events in a laboratory. Miracles are, by nature, unrepeatable - the result of God supernaturally suspending, or transcending, the created order and the laws of nature. Hence, science simply cannot be the judge and jury as to whether or not these events occurred. Since the Bible states that Jesus' miracles were accomplished by supernatural power, we should not expect to find any natural explanation. By definition, a miracle is something beyond the scope of science to explain. Author Ron Rhodes says, "The scientific method is useful for studying nature, but not super-nature." Miracles deviate from the known laws of nature by definition. Science and scholarship can neither confirm nor deny whether Jesus performed miracles.

    Laws of Logic vs Laws of Nature:
    The laws of logic are sometimes confused with the laws of nature. The laws of logic are prescriptive. They define the basic and inviolable parameters and unavoidable patterns of human thinking. On the other hand, the laws of nature are descriptive. They are a record of how the natural world normally operates. Scientific laws don;t control or explain events. They are only a generalized record of those events. The laws of logic constitute a perfect standard. The laws of nature describe actual reality. God can suspend the laws of nature at will because He designed them. He would not (and actually cannot) violate the laws of logic, because they are a part of His nature. C.S. Lewis said, "If a man has no conception of a regular order in nature, then of course he could not notice departures from that order. When the disciples saw Christ walking on the water, they were frightened: they would not have been frightened unless they had known the laws of nature, and know that this was an exception."

    Science, Nature, and Scripture:
    I believe that nature and Scripture, properly interpreted, do not conflict. God has communicated to humankind both by general revelation (nature; the observable universe) and special revelation (the Bible). Since both of these revelations come from God - and since God does not contradict Himself - we must conclude that these two revelations are in agreement with each other. While there may be conflicts between one's interpretation of the observable universe and one's interpretation of the Bible, there's no ultimate contradiction.

    We might say that science is a fallible human interpretation of the observable universe while theology is a fallible human interpretation of the Scriptures. Science historian Thomas Kuhn proved in his book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions - that is, science is in a constant state of change. New discoveries have consistently cause old scientific paradigms to be discarded in favor of newer paradigms.

    Here is the point: It is not nature and Scripture that contradict; rather, it is science (man's fallible interpretation of nature) and theology (man's fallible interpretation of Scripture) that sometimes fall into conflict. Hence one cannot simply dismiss certain parts of the Bible because "science and the Bible contradict."
     
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    3) The Characteristics of True Miracles
    The power of miracles as evidence rests in the nature of the acts themselves. Considering the specific details of Bible miracles will help us see the convincing nature of the evidence. This evidence is further strengthened when we contrast Bible miracles to the so-called miracles fraudulently claimed by those who are not really from God.

    A) There was conclusive evidence that the miraculous even occurred.
    i) The occurrence of the event was unmistakably evident to observers.
    -Fake miracle workers often claim miracles in cases of invisible or undetectable diseases. Or the problem may be psychosomatic, cause by the person's mental or emotional state, such that an improvement in their mental or emotional state would remove the problem. Often there is no obvious evidence that the supposed event occurred at all. In some cases, in fact, the whole thing could have been staged or faked in harmony with natural law. Contrast this to the following examples of Bible miracles. We will see no sleight of hand or trickery. In miraculous healings, there was clear evidence that the people had organic disorders, and there was conclusive proof that the problem was removed.
    -Lazarus (John 11): It was clear to all witnesses that Lazarus had been dead four days yet came alive again.
    -Blind man (John 9): It was unquestionably proved that the man could not see from birth, but then he was so healed he could see.
    -Woman bowed together (Luke 13): All could see she was hunch-backed, but then she was straightened.
    -Lame man (Acts 3): Many people knew the man could not walk, but it was obvious that he was enabled to do so.
    -Son of the widow of Nain (Luke 7): The man had died and a great multitude gathered for his funeral procession. Yet Jesus raised him in the presence of the crowd.
    -Elymas (Acts 13): Elymas was a sorcerer who opposed Paul's effort to convert a proconsul. Paul struck him blind temporarily, resulting in the proconsul's conversion.

    ii) Local people were personally involved in the miracles.
    -Fake miracle workers often claim miracles that supposedly happened to someone somewhere whom no one knows locally, so no one can visit them to verify the event. In contrast, local people received the effect of the Bible miracles, and local people could observe for themselves and check the matter out. They could question the people involved, check out whether they had really been ill, observe if there was a complete healing or whether there were relapses, etc. Hence, they could determine for themselves whether there had been a real miracle.
    -Lazarus (John 11): Lazarus was healed in his hometown, where he was known to be dead and could then be observed alive.
    -Blind man (John 9): To determine the validity of the healing, people could contact witnesses. Jesus was not afraid to have people check out the validity of His miracles.
    -Son of the widow of Nain (Luke 7): This young man was raised from the dead in the presence of his own funeral party - the very people who knew him best, knew of his death, and could see for themselves that he had come back to life.
    -Lame man (Acts 3): This man was known by the people of the city to be lame. Multitudes of these people saw him before and after he was healed.
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    3) The Characteristics of True Miracles
    The power of miracles as evidence rests in the nature of the acts themselves. Considering the specific details of Bible miracles will help us see the convincing nature of the evidence. This evidence is further strengthened when we contrast Bible miracles to the so-called miracles fraudulently claimed by those who are not really from God.

    A) There was conclusive evidence that the miraculous even occurred.
    i) The occurrence of the event was unmistakably evident to observers.
    -Fake miracle workers often claim miracles in cases of invisible or undetectable diseases. Or the problem may be psychosomatic, cause by the person's mental or emotional state, such that an improvement in their mental or emotional state would remove the problem. Often there is no obvious evidence that the supposed event occurred at all. In some cases, in fact, the whole thing could have been staged or faked in harmony with natural law. Contrast this to the following examples of Bible miracles. We will see no sleight of hand or trickery. In miraculous healings, there was clear evidence that the people had organic disorders, and there was conclusive proof that the problem was removed.
    -Lazarus (John 11): It was clear to all witnesses that Lazarus had been dead four days yet came alive again.
    -Blind man (John 9): It was unquestionably proved that the man could not see from birth, but then he was so healed he could see.
    -Woman bowed together (Luke 13): All could see she was hunch-backed, but then she was straightened.
    -Lame man (Acts 3): Many people knew the man could not walk, but it was obvious that he was enabled to do so.
    -Son of the widow of Nain (Luke 7): The man had died and a great multitude gathered for his funeral procession. Yet Jesus raised him in the presence of the crowd.
    -Elymas (Acts 13): Elymas was a sorcerer who opposed Paul's effort to convert a proconsul. Paul struck him blind temporarily, resulting in the proconsul's conversion.

    ii) Local people were personally involved in the miracles.
    -Fake miracle workers often claim miracles that supposedly happened to someone somewhere whom no one knows locally, so no one can visit them to verify the event. In contrast, local people received the effect of the Bible miracles, and local people could observe for themselves and check the matter out. They could question the people involved, check out whether they had really been ill, observe if there was a complete healing or whether there were relapses, etc. Hence, they could determine for themselves whether there had been a real miracle.
    -Lazarus (John 11): Lazarus was healed in his hometown, where he was known to be dead and could then be observed alive.
    -Blind man (John 9): To determine the validity of the healing, people could contact witnesses. Jesus was not afraid to have people check out the validity of His miracles.
    -Son of the widow of Nain (Luke 7): This young man was raised from the dead in the presence of his own funeral party - the very people who knew him best, knew of his death, and could see for themselves that he had come back to life.
    -Lame man (Acts 3): This man was known by the people of the city to be lame. Multitudes of these people saw him before and after he was healed.
     
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    iii) Miracles were often done in the presence of unbelievers, false teachers, and even false miracle-workers.
    -Fake faith healers often refuse to do miracles if doubters or opponents are present, or they excuse their failure on the grounds that the observers lack faith. But when men of God had true power to do miracles, they were not afraid to do them in the presence of people who had questions or doubts, or even people who openly opposed their teaching. At times they would deliberately do miracles in the presence of those who did false miracles, so that people could see the difference. Observers could investigate for themselves the validity of the miracles.
    -Ten Plagues & Red Sea (Exodus 8; 14): Pharaoh's magicians tried to duplicate Moses' miracles, but eventually admitted Moses did miracles by the power of God. Pharaoh and him army witnessed the crossing of the Red Sea, and they drowned when the water collapsed.
    -Elijah on Mt. Carmel (1 Kings 18): The people of Israel doubted who the true God was. Yet in their presence Elijah challenged the prophets of Baal to a showdown to see who had real power of miracles.
    -Daniel's three friends (Daniel 3): Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon compelled the people to worship an idol. He threw Daniel's three friends into a fiery furnace, then he and his advisors witnessed that they were not hurt in any way.
    -Malchus (Luke 22): When Jesus was being arrested, Peter cut off the ear of the high priest's servant. In the presence of the very men who were arresting Him, Jesus restored the man's ear!
    -Simon the Sorcerer (Acts 8): Simon did works claimed to be from God, but Philip did true miracles in his presence. Simon was so amazed by the contrast that he was converted.

    B) True miracles occurred at a specific point in time.
    Many modern so-called miraculous healings gradually develop over a period of days, weeks, or months, yet people still claim it is a miracle. Bible healings did not gradually develop over a period of days, weeks, or months; but occurred instantaneously.
    -Acts 3: The lame man immediately leaped and walked.
    -Luke 13: The hunch-backed woman was immediately made straight.
    -Mark 2: The paralyzed man got up immediately.
    -Mark 5: The woman with an issue of blood for 12 years was healed immediately.
    -Mark 5: Jairus' daughter had been dead but arose immediately.
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    iii) Miracles were often done in the presence of unbelievers, false teachers, and even false miracle-workers.
    -Fake faith healers often refuse to do miracles if doubters or opponents are present, or they excuse their failure on the grounds that the observers lack faith. But when men of God had true power to do miracles, they were not afraid to do them in the presence of people who had questions or doubts, or even people who openly opposed their teaching. At times they would deliberately do miracles in the presence of those who did false miracles, so that people could see the difference. Observers could investigate for themselves the validity of the miracles.
    -Ten Plagues & Red Sea (Exodus 8; 14): Pharaoh's magicians tried to duplicate Moses' miracles, but eventually admitted Moses did miracles by the power of God. Pharaoh and him army witnessed the crossing of the Red Sea, and they drowned when the water collapsed.
    -Elijah on Mt. Carmel (1 Kings 18): The people of Israel doubted who the true God was. Yet in their presence Elijah challenged the prophets of Baal to a showdown to see who had real power of miracles.
    -Daniel's three friends (Daniel 3): Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon compelled the people to worship an idol. He threw Daniel's three friends into a fiery furnace, then he and his advisors witnessed that they were not hurt in any way.
    -Malchus (Luke 22): When Jesus was being arrested, Peter cut off the ear of the high priest's servant. In the presence of the very men who were arresting Him, Jesus restored the man's ear!
    -Simon the Sorcerer (Acts 8): Simon did works claimed to be from God, but Philip did true miracles in his presence. Simon was so amazed by the contrast that he was converted.

    B) True miracles occurred at a specific point in time.
    Many modern so-called miraculous healings gradually develop over a period of days, weeks, or months, yet people still claim it is a miracle. Bible healings did not gradually develop over a period of days, weeks, or months; but occurred instantaneously.
    -Acts 3: The lame man immediately leaped and walked.
    -Luke 13: The hunch-backed woman was immediately made straight.
    -Mark 2: The paralyzed man got up immediately.
    -Mark 5: The woman with an issue of blood for 12 years was healed immediately.
    -Mark 5: Jairus' daughter had been dead but arose immediately.
     
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    C) True miracles were always successful.
    Modern so-called miracle workers often attempt miracles but fail, especially when attempting to heal obvious physical deformities. Neither Jesus nor His apostles (after they received Holy Spirit baptism) ever attempted to do a miracle and failed. There was no kind of disease they were unable to heal.
    -Matthew 4: Jesus healed all manner of diseases.
    -Matthew 14: All were healed.
    -Acts 5: They were healed every one.

    D) True miracles were complete and perfect.
    Modern so-called miracles often involve partial improvements or relapses or require further medical care and treatment, yet the results are claimed to be miracles. Biblical miracles always completely accomplished what the inspired man said they would and always completely satisfied the need. In healings, people returned immediately to complete and normal health. Every symptom of the disease was removed.
    -Matthew 12: A man's withered hand was restored whole as the other hand.
    -Mark 1: The leper showed himself to the priest as evidence of a complete healing.
    -Acts 3: The lame man leaped and walked.
    -Mark 2: The paralyzed man could walk and carry his bed.

    The point is that these events clearly demonstrated to the observers that something impossible by natural law had occurred; therefore it had to be evidence of God's power. This was necessary in order for miracles to accomplish their purpose of confirming the word preached.

    Some skeptics are mystified about the miracle stories in the Gospels, as they seem to be gems or reporting that even modern newspaper reporters would be proud of.

    Canon Anthony Harvey of Westminster Abbey, an Anglican scholar, observes that this feature of the Gospel accounts is unique in ancient literature: "They do not exaggerate the miracle or add sensational details." He points out, "To a degree that is rare in the writings of antiquity, we can say, to use a modern phrase, that they tell the story straight."
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    C) True miracles were always successful.
    Modern so-called miracle workers often attempt miracles but fail, especially when attempting to heal obvious physical deformities. Neither Jesus nor His apostles (after they received Holy Spirit baptism) ever attempted to do a miracle and failed. There was no kind of disease they were unable to heal.
    -Matthew 4: Jesus healed all manner of diseases.
    -Matthew 14: All were healed.
    -Acts 5: They were healed every one.

    D) True miracles were complete and perfect.
    Modern so-called miracles often involve partial improvements or relapses or require further medical care and treatment, yet the results are claimed to be miracles. Biblical miracles always completely accomplished what the inspired man said they would and always completely satisfied the need. In healings, people returned immediately to complete and normal health. Every symptom of the disease was removed.
    -Matthew 12: A man's withered hand was restored whole as the other hand.
    -Mark 1: The leper showed himself to the priest as evidence of a complete healing.
    -Acts 3: The lame man leaped and walked.
    -Mark 2: The paralyzed man could walk and carry his bed.

    The point is that these events clearly demonstrated to the observers that something impossible by natural law had occurred; therefore it had to be evidence of God's power. This was necessary in order for miracles to accomplish their purpose of confirming the word preached.

    Some skeptics are mystified about the miracle stories in the Gospels, as they seem to be gems or reporting that even modern newspaper reporters would be proud of.

    Canon Anthony Harvey of Westminster Abbey, an Anglican scholar, observes that this feature of the Gospel accounts is unique in ancient literature: "They do not exaggerate the miracle or add sensational details." He points out, "To a degree that is rare in the writings of antiquity, we can say, to use a modern phrase, that they tell the story straight."
     
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    4) Evidence that Miracles Occurred.
    Since we cannot personally see Jesus and the Bible writers, how can we reach a verdict whether or not miracles really occurred? Again, we must examine the testimony of witnesses.

    A) Writers who recorded Bible miracles.
    Some say that the gospel accounts were simply altered to make it look like Jesus was performing miracles which never happened. However, it is not very probable; the eyewitnesses of Jesus' miracles were still around when the gospels were written and could have easily refuted such claims. Yet, we have no record of any such refutations. The disciples died for what they believed. It was not simply dying for principles or a philosophy like Buddhism. They died for their belief in the risen Lord Jesus who claimed to be God and performed miracles in front of their very eyes. This is far different than believing in something that wasn't tangible or a belief for the sake of believing and being good.

    i) Miracles Jesus performed.
    The time and place in which Jesus lived was not characterized by superstition and gullibility, but by learning and skepticism. This means that the miracles recorded in the Bible (witnessed by thousands of people) should be considered true. It is said that when Jesus came, "His fame spread all throughout Syria; they brought unto Him all sick people taken with diseases, and all that were possessed with devils and He healed them." (Matt. 4:24)
    -Here are a few of the writers who described Biblical miracles:
    -Moses: Exodus 7-12: Moses described in detail how God brought the plagues on Egypt to give evidence that He is God.
    -Exodus 14: Moses recorded the parting of the Red Sea, so Israel passed through on dry ground.
    -Exodus 16: God provided Manna as food for Israel for forty years as they traveled to Canaan. To confirm the manna, God had Moses put a pot of it in the ark, so Israel could carry it with them into Canaan. *Note that Moses was a first-hand eyewitness of the miracles he records.

    -Joshua: Joshua 24: Joshua confirmed the crossing of the Red Sea. Remember, he would have been an eyewitness, so his testimony confirms that of Moses.
    -Joshua 3-4: He also wrote as an eyewitness that God stopped the flow of the Jordan so that Israel crossed it on dry ground.
    -Joshua 5: As an eyewitness, Joshua confirmed Moses' record regarding the manna.
    -Joshua 6: Joshua recorded the fall of the walls of Jericho by miraculous means.

    -Matthew: Matt 9-10: Like the other original apostles, Matthew personally accompanied Jesus for three years; so his record constitutes eyewitness testimony of Jesus' miracles. Furthermore, he himself did miracles by the power Jesus gave the apostles.
    -Matt 14: Every time the account says the apostles (or twelve disciples) were present, Matthew would have been included. In this case, he joined the other apostles in confessing Jesus to be the Son of God, because they witnessed his walking on the water.
    -Like Moses and Joshua, etc., Matthew was an inspired man who wrote part of the Bible, who was a personal eyewitness to miracles done by other inspired men, and whose work as a prophet was confirmed by miracles he himself was empowered by God to do.
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    4) Evidence that Miracles Occurred.
    Since we cannot personally see Jesus and the Bible writers, how can we reach a verdict whether or not miracles really occurred? Again, we must examine the testimony of witnesses.

    A) Writers who recorded Bible miracles.
    Some say that the gospel accounts were simply altered to make it look like Jesus was performing miracles which never happened. However, it is not very probable; the eyewitnesses of Jesus' miracles were still around when the gospels were written and could have easily refuted such claims. Yet, we have no record of any such refutations. The disciples died for what they believed. It was not simply dying for principles or a philosophy like Buddhism. They died for their belief in the risen Lord Jesus who claimed to be God and performed miracles in front of their very eyes. This is far different than believing in something that wasn't tangible or a belief for the sake of believing and being good.

    i) Miracles Jesus performed.
    The time and place in which Jesus lived was not characterized by superstition and gullibility, but by learning and skepticism. This means that the miracles recorded in the Bible (witnessed by thousands of people) should be considered true. It is said that when Jesus came, "His fame spread all throughout Syria; they brought unto Him all sick people taken with diseases, and all that were possessed with devils and He healed them." (Matt. 4:24)
    -Here are a few of the writers who described Biblical miracles:
    -Moses: Exodus 7-12: Moses described in detail how God brought the plagues on Egypt to give evidence that He is God.
    -Exodus 14: Moses recorded the parting of the Red Sea, so Israel passed through on dry ground.
    -Exodus 16: God provided Manna as food for Israel for forty years as they traveled to Canaan. To confirm the manna, God had Moses put a pot of it in the ark, so Israel could carry it with them into Canaan. *Note that Moses was a first-hand eyewitness of the miracles he records.

    -Joshua: Joshua 24: Joshua confirmed the crossing of the Red Sea. Remember, he would have been an eyewitness, so his testimony confirms that of Moses.
    -Joshua 3-4: He also wrote as an eyewitness that God stopped the flow of the Jordan so that Israel crossed it on dry ground.
    -Joshua 5: As an eyewitness, Joshua confirmed Moses' record regarding the manna.
    -Joshua 6: Joshua recorded the fall of the walls of Jericho by miraculous means.

    -Matthew: Matt 9-10: Like the other original apostles, Matthew personally accompanied Jesus for three years; so his record constitutes eyewitness testimony of Jesus' miracles. Furthermore, he himself did miracles by the power Jesus gave the apostles.
    -Matt 14: Every time the account says the apostles (or twelve disciples) were present, Matthew would have been included. In this case, he joined the other apostles in confessing Jesus to be the Son of God, because they witnessed his walking on the water.
    -Like Moses and Joshua, etc., Matthew was an inspired man who wrote part of the Bible, who was a personal eyewitness to miracles done by other inspired men, and whose work as a prophet was confirmed by miracles he himself was empowered by God to do.
     
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    -Luke: Luke 1: Luke wrote a history of the life of Christ and a history of the early church in the book of Acts (Acts 1:1-3). Regarding Jesus' life, Luke himself was not an eyewitness, but he served as an historian to record the eyewitness testimony given him by other regarding the miracles of Jesus. He himself was an eyewitness of many of Paul's miracles. As a historian, his reputation is well established.

    -John: John 20: John recorded the signs Jesus did so we can believe Jesus is the Son of God and we can have life in His name. Like Matthew, John was one of the original apostles. Having accompanied Jesus for three years, he testified regarding miracles he personally saw. And like the other apostles, he himself did miracles to confirm his own record.
    -John 21: John wrote his testimony of these events and testified that it was true.
    -1 John 1: He bore witness about what he and others heard, saw with their eyes, and handled with their hands.

    -Peter: 2 Peter 1: Peter claimed he (and others) were eyewitnesses of the majesty of Jesus, having heard the voice of God who spoke at the Transfiguration. Peter was also one of the original apostles. His record of Jesus' miracles constitutes eyewitness testimony. And he himself did miracles to confirm that God guided him in his writing.

    -Paul: 2 Corinthians 12: Paul claimed that the signs, wonders, and miracles he did confirmed his apostleship. Note that he claimed these miracles were done in the presence of the people to whom he wrote, so they would have known whether or not he did these miracles.
    -1 Corinthians 15: Paul specifically listed himself as an eyewitness of Jesus' resurrection. Note that Paul's claim to do miracles and be an eyewitness was confirmed by Luke, who recorded many of Paul's miracles.

    All these men recorded in writing their eyewitness testimony of miracles that confirm Jesus' claims and the claims of Bible writers. As discussed earlier, these men fully meet the qualifications of valid eyewitnesses. Specifically, all of them suffered greatly for the faith they upheld, and many died at the hands of persecutors. Yet they never denied or compromised their testimony.
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    -Luke: Luke 1: Luke wrote a history of the life of Christ and a history of the early church in the book of Acts (Acts 1:1-3). Regarding Jesus' life, Luke himself was not an eyewitness, but he served as an historian to record the eyewitness testimony given him by other regarding the miracles of Jesus. He himself was an eyewitness of many of Paul's miracles. As a historian, his reputation is well established.

    -John: John 20: John recorded the signs Jesus did so we can believe Jesus is the Son of God and we can have life in His name. Like Matthew, John was one of the original apostles. Having accompanied Jesus for three years, he testified regarding miracles he personally saw. And like the other apostles, he himself did miracles to confirm his own record.
    -John 21: John wrote his testimony of these events and testified that it was true.
    -1 John 1: He bore witness about what he and others heard, saw with their eyes, and handled with their hands.

    -Peter: 2 Peter 1: Peter claimed he (and others) were eyewitnesses of the majesty of Jesus, having heard the voice of God who spoke at the Transfiguration. Peter was also one of the original apostles. His record of Jesus' miracles constitutes eyewitness testimony. And he himself did miracles to confirm that God guided him in his writing.

    -Paul: 2 Corinthians 12: Paul claimed that the signs, wonders, and miracles he did confirmed his apostleship. Note that he claimed these miracles were done in the presence of the people to whom he wrote, so they would have known whether or not he did these miracles.
    -1 Corinthians 15: Paul specifically listed himself as an eyewitness of Jesus' resurrection. Note that Paul's claim to do miracles and be an eyewitness was confirmed by Luke, who recorded many of Paul's miracles.

    All these men recorded in writing their eyewitness testimony of miracles that confirm Jesus' claims and the claims of Bible writers. As discussed earlier, these men fully meet the qualifications of valid eyewitnesses. Specifically, all of them suffered greatly for the faith they upheld, and many died at the hands of persecutors. Yet they never denied or compromised their testimony.
     
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    B) Testimony from other people who personally witnessed miracles.
    Thee following witnesses did not write their own testimony in the Bible; however, they did personally witness miracles done by Jesus or by Bible writers; and other Bible writers as historians recorded their testimony.

    -Jesus' mother Mary (Luke 1): Mary testified that she had no relationship with a man, but the angel Gabriel spoke to her and explained that Jesus would be conceived miraculously by the power of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, Jesus would be the Son of the Highest, God would give Him the throne of David, and His kingdom would never end. The testimony of Mary and the angel confirm the reality of the Virgin Birth, which in turn validates Jesus' claims.

    -Joseph (Matthew 1): Likewise Joseph knew that he had not caused Mary to conceive, but an angel also spoke to him and explained that Mary had conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. So the One to be born would save the people from sin and would be called "God with us." So Joseph's testimony and that of the angel again confirm the Virgin Birth.

    -The Shepherds (Luke 2): A host of angels appeared to shepherds at the time of Jesus' birth and directed them to Jesus. They said that He was the Christ who would be a Savior (v11). So the testimony of the shepherds and of the angels confirms that Jesus was the Christ sent by God. Note that, at the time of these events, the shepherds widely broadcast their testimony about what the angels had told them.

    -John the Baptist (John 1): John bore witness that Jesus is the Son of God, because he saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove and remain on Him. This is John's testimony, not just as a prophet, but as an eyewitness to the miraculous events at Jesus' baptism.

    -Nicodemus (John 3): He said people knew Jesus was a teacher come from God, since no one could do the works Jesus did unless God was with him. So he testified that he knew Jesus had done miracles. 

    -Lepers who were healed (Matt 8; Luke 17): After healing lepers, Jesus told them to go show themselves to the priest. This was a legal requirement under the law: the priest would perform an elaborate examination to confirm that the leprosy was gone.

    -All Jesus' apostles (Acts 10): They witnessed His miracles, how He healed people because God was with Him. As a result, they often made statements that confirmed the validity of the miracles they had witnessed.

    -Multitudes who observed miracles: Jesus and other prophets did their miracles publicly where many people - often great multitudes - could openly observe them. Often the response of the multitudes constitutes acknowledgement of the validity of the miracle.

    -The converts on Pentecost (Acts 2): Peter openly proclaimed that this huge crowd knew that Jesus had done wonders, signs, and miracles among them. He said this was God's way of attesting to Him. Note that this testimony of Jesus' miracles was preached publicly just fifty days after His resurrection. The fact that 3000 accepted the message (v41) proves they knew they had seen Jesus' miracles. If there was no evidence for these events, the people could easily have said so and would surely not have been convinced by the message.

    All of the above people personally witnessed the events listed; they had no reason to lie. The events were recorded (many of them in more than one Bible account) calmly in a way that is evidently intended to constitute historic evidence. Remember that the Bible writers are historically trustworthy. We have earlier established their credibility as historians.

    C) Enemies who testified or witnessed miracles done by prophets of God.
    Men, who had true power to do miracles, were not afraid to do them in the presence of people who doubted or even openly opposed their teaching. At times they would deliberately do miracles in the presence of those who did false miracles, so that people could see the differences. We would not expect unbelievers to make a deliberate effort to spread the knowledge of Bible miracles. Nevertheless, opponents to the truth often, either directly or tacitly, admitted that the miracles really occurred or at least failed completely in efforts to disprove the miracles.
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    B) Testimony from other people who personally witnessed miracles.
    Thee following witnesses did not write their own testimony in the Bible; however, they did personally witness miracles done by Jesus or by Bible writers; and other Bible writers as historians recorded their testimony.

    -Jesus' mother Mary (Luke 1): Mary testified that she had no relationship with a man, but the angel Gabriel spoke to her and explained that Jesus would be conceived miraculously by the power of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, Jesus would be the Son of the Highest, God would give Him the throne of David, and His kingdom would never end. The testimony of Mary and the angel confirm the reality of the Virgin Birth, which in turn validates Jesus' claims.

    -Joseph (Matthew 1): Likewise Joseph knew that he had not caused Mary to conceive, but an angel also spoke to him and explained that Mary had conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. So the One to be born would save the people from sin and would be called "God with us." So Joseph's testimony and that of the angel again confirm the Virgin Birth.

    -The Shepherds (Luke 2): A host of angels appeared to shepherds at the time of Jesus' birth and directed them to Jesus. They said that He was the Christ who would be a Savior (v11). So the testimony of the shepherds and of the angels confirms that Jesus was the Christ sent by God. Note that, at the time of these events, the shepherds widely broadcast their testimony about what the angels had told them.

    -John the Baptist (John 1): John bore witness that Jesus is the Son of God, because he saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove and remain on Him. This is John's testimony, not just as a prophet, but as an eyewitness to the miraculous events at Jesus' baptism.

    -Nicodemus (John 3): He said people knew Jesus was a teacher come from God, since no one could do the works Jesus did unless God was with him. So he testified that he knew Jesus had done miracles. 

    -Lepers who were healed (Matt 8; Luke 17): After healing lepers, Jesus told them to go show themselves to the priest. This was a legal requirement under the law: the priest would perform an elaborate examination to confirm that the leprosy was gone.

    -All Jesus' apostles (Acts 10): They witnessed His miracles, how He healed people because God was with Him. As a result, they often made statements that confirmed the validity of the miracles they had witnessed.

    -Multitudes who observed miracles: Jesus and other prophets did their miracles publicly where many people - often great multitudes - could openly observe them. Often the response of the multitudes constitutes acknowledgement of the validity of the miracle.

    -The converts on Pentecost (Acts 2): Peter openly proclaimed that this huge crowd knew that Jesus had done wonders, signs, and miracles among them. He said this was God's way of attesting to Him. Note that this testimony of Jesus' miracles was preached publicly just fifty days after His resurrection. The fact that 3000 accepted the message (v41) proves they knew they had seen Jesus' miracles. If there was no evidence for these events, the people could easily have said so and would surely not have been convinced by the message.

    All of the above people personally witnessed the events listed; they had no reason to lie. The events were recorded (many of them in more than one Bible account) calmly in a way that is evidently intended to constitute historic evidence. Remember that the Bible writers are historically trustworthy. We have earlier established their credibility as historians.

    C) Enemies who testified or witnessed miracles done by prophets of God.
    Men, who had true power to do miracles, were not afraid to do them in the presence of people who doubted or even openly opposed their teaching. At times they would deliberately do miracles in the presence of those who did false miracles, so that people could see the differences. We would not expect unbelievers to make a deliberate effort to spread the knowledge of Bible miracles. Nevertheless, opponents to the truth often, either directly or tacitly, admitted that the miracles really occurred or at least failed completely in efforts to disprove the miracles.
     
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    i) Indirect (tacit) admissions:
    -The Egyptian Army (Exodus 14): Moses recorded that Pharaoh's army pursued the Israelites as they left Egypt and caught up to them at the Red Sea. God caused the Sea to part, so Israel passed through on dry ground. Pharaoh's army, attempting to pursue them, was drowned in the sea. The fact that the Egyptian army entered the sea demonstrates that they recognized it had really been parted and that Israel had passed through it. The fact the entire army drowned when the sea returned demonstrates the power of the miracle.

    -Prophets of Baal on Mt Carmel (1 Kings 18): Elijah challenged the prophets of Baal to a showdown to see who had real power of miracles. The false prophets attempted but failed to perform a miracle, which Elijah then obviously accomplished. The fact they could not do such a miracle and then were powerless to prevent their own deaths is a tacit admission that Elijah really did the miracle recorded.

    -Pharisees (John 9): Pharisees attempted to deny that Jesus had miraculously healed the blind man, but were completely unable to disprove it. Their efforts to disprove the miracle simply confirm its validity.

    ii) Direct admissions:
    -Pharaoh's magicians (Exodus 8): Pharaoh's magicians opposed Moses and tried to duplicate his miracles, but eventually they admitted Moses did miracles by the power of God.

    -Nebuchadnezzar and his advisors (Daniel 3): Nebuchadnezzar and his advisors were idolaters. They witnessed the miracle when Daniel's three friends were protected by God in the fiery furnace. Nebuchadnezzar decreed that no other god could deliver like this.

    -People of Nazareth (Mark 6): The people of Jesus' hometown rejected Him, because they knew Him and could not believe such a great man could come from their own midst. Nevertheless, they admitted that "mighty works" were performed by His hands.

    -Pharisees (Matthew 12): The Pharisees said Jesus cast out demons by the power of Satan. But in so doing, they admitted that Jesus really had cast out the demon. (Jesus then refuted their claim that the power was from Satan)

    -Council of chief priests and Pharisees (John 11): After Jesus raised Lazarus, even His enemies admitted He did many miracles.
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    i) Indirect (tacit) admissions:
    -The Egyptian Army (Exodus 14): Moses recorded that Pharaoh's army pursued the Israelites as they left Egypt and caught up to them at the Red Sea. God caused the Sea to part, so Israel passed through on dry ground. Pharaoh's army, attempting to pursue them, was drowned in the sea. The fact that the Egyptian army entered the sea demonstrates that they recognized it had really been parted and that Israel had passed through it. The fact the entire army drowned when the sea returned demonstrates the power of the miracle.

    -Prophets of Baal on Mt Carmel (1 Kings 18): Elijah challenged the prophets of Baal to a showdown to see who had real power of miracles. The false prophets attempted but failed to perform a miracle, which Elijah then obviously accomplished. The fact they could not do such a miracle and then were powerless to prevent their own deaths is a tacit admission that Elijah really did the miracle recorded.

    -Pharisees (John 9): Pharisees attempted to deny that Jesus had miraculously healed the blind man, but were completely unable to disprove it. Their efforts to disprove the miracle simply confirm its validity.

    ii) Direct admissions:
    -Pharaoh's magicians (Exodus 8): Pharaoh's magicians opposed Moses and tried to duplicate his miracles, but eventually they admitted Moses did miracles by the power of God.

    -Nebuchadnezzar and his advisors (Daniel 3): Nebuchadnezzar and his advisors were idolaters. They witnessed the miracle when Daniel's three friends were protected by God in the fiery furnace. Nebuchadnezzar decreed that no other god could deliver like this.

    -People of Nazareth (Mark 6): The people of Jesus' hometown rejected Him, because they knew Him and could not believe such a great man could come from their own midst. Nevertheless, they admitted that "mighty works" were performed by His hands.

    -Pharisees (Matthew 12): The Pharisees said Jesus cast out demons by the power of Satan. But in so doing, they admitted that Jesus really had cast out the demon. (Jesus then refuted their claim that the power was from Satan)

    -Council of chief priests and Pharisees (John 11): After Jesus raised Lazarus, even His enemies admitted He did many miracles.
     
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    Surely none of these witnesses (and I could name more; just left the list at where I did) had any inclination to testify in favor of Bible miracles. None were friends of God's message or messengers - at least not till after they observed the evidence of the miracles. All of them would have denied and disproved the miracles, if they could have successfully done so. Because there were so many hostile witnesses who observed and scrutinized Christ, successful "fabrication" of miracle stories in His ministry would have been impossible. But in the end, none of them could successfully deny Bible miracles, and most of them directly or indirectly acknowledged the miracles. If the enemies of the Bible could not disprove these miracles at the time they occurred, how could anyone thousands of years later expect to disprove them? This testimony demonstrates the overwhelming power of the evidence that miracles really occurred.

    The Miracles at Calvary:
    Many things happened at the time of Jesus' death on the cross. These things would have been common knowledge to multitudes of people and if they were not true would have surely been disputed. Events such as the sky becoming dark in the middle of the day, the temple curtain being torn in half signifying that anyone who believed in Jesus had access to God, and a great earthquake: these events occurred and were witnessed by thousands of people. Matthew 27:54 says, "Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, 'Truly this was the Son of God.'"

    Jesus' Life, Death, and Resurrection Were Not Refuted:
    The writers of the NT were eye-witnesses of what they recorded. The fact that they wrote the manuscripts during the time the enemies of Christ were alive (and could prove whether the things they said were true or not) should be further proof that what was said/written was true. We don't have a record of any refutation as to the birth, life, death, or resurrection of Christ. The Bible says that after His death and resurrection Jesus was seen alive by more than 500 people (1 Corinthians 15:5-8).
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    Surely none of these witnesses (and I could name more; just left the list at where I did) had any inclination to testify in favor of Bible miracles. None were friends of God's message or messengers - at least not till after they observed the evidence of the miracles. All of them would have denied and disproved the miracles, if they could have successfully done so. Because there were so many hostile witnesses who observed and scrutinized Christ, successful "fabrication" of miracle stories in His ministry would have been impossible. But in the end, none of them could successfully deny Bible miracles, and most of them directly or indirectly acknowledged the miracles. If the enemies of the Bible could not disprove these miracles at the time they occurred, how could anyone thousands of years later expect to disprove them? This testimony demonstrates the overwhelming power of the evidence that miracles really occurred.

    The Miracles at Calvary:
    Many things happened at the time of Jesus' death on the cross. These things would have been common knowledge to multitudes of people and if they were not true would have surely been disputed. Events such as the sky becoming dark in the middle of the day, the temple curtain being torn in half signifying that anyone who believed in Jesus had access to God, and a great earthquake: these events occurred and were witnessed by thousands of people. Matthew 27:54 says, "Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, 'Truly this was the Son of God.'"

    Jesus' Life, Death, and Resurrection Were Not Refuted:
    The writers of the NT were eye-witnesses of what they recorded. The fact that they wrote the manuscripts during the time the enemies of Christ were alive (and could prove whether the things they said were true or not) should be further proof that what was said/written was true. We don't have a record of any refutation as to the birth, life, death, or resurrection of Christ. The Bible says that after His death and resurrection Jesus was seen alive by more than 500 people (1 Corinthians 15:5-8).
     
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    D) Historians and other miscellaneous references to Jesus and His miracles:
    i) The Disciples: One must also recognize the noble character of the men who witnessed these miracles (Peter, James, and John, for example). Such men were not prone to misrepresentation, and were willing to give up their lives rather than deny their beliefs. Also important is the fact that eleven of the twelve apostles died a martyr's death for no other reason than for being followers of Jesus Christ. If the death and resurrection of Jesus was a hoax, then these men must have known it, and would not have chosen to die such horrible deaths.

    Josephus (the first century Jewish historian), and Tacitus (an early second century Roman historian) make significant reference to Jesus. The mid-first century Roman historian Thallus makes reference to the darkness of the sun at the time of the crucifixion.

    Specific details in the Gospel accounts and the fact that first-century Jewish authorities acknowledged Jesus' miracles (John 3:2), adds weight to the case. Even so-called antagonistic sources, such as the Talmud and certain Islamic writings, allude to the miracles of Jesus. Then, finally, all attempts to refute the broad-ranging reports of miracles in the Bible have themselves lacked reliable documentation and credibility.

    Conclusion:
    We have now studied around 30 or so miracles described in the Bible, and many more could be discussed. These were done by God at the hands of at least ten different prophets. They were recorded by at least ten Bible writers in at least 15 books of the Bible. In addition, the accounts cite more than 15 individuals or groups who were opponents of God's people but who directly or indirectly acknowledged that Bible miracles really did occur. In addition another 15 individuals or groups (who were not necessarily opposed to the message) are also cited as having acknowledged Bible miracles. That makes a total of more than thirty individuals or groups who admitted Jesus or Bible prophets really did miracles. 

    Compare this to other religious groups who claim to be from God. Many of them make few claims of miracles. If they make some claims, they have no eyewitnesses and accounts are often legends recorded years after the event allegedly occurred. Or the events fail to measure up to the characteristics of Bible miracles, so those of us who disagree with their teaching can easily deny the validity of their "miracles" and point out where they fail to measure up.

    For example, compare Moses and Jesus to men like Mohammed and Joseph Smith. Everyone knows about the miracles of Moses and Jesus. People immediately associate the plagues and the crossing of the Red Sea with Moses. And they immediately associate Jesus with the virgin birth and resurrection. When people think of Moses and Jesus, they think of miracles. Mohammed and Smith also claimed to be prophets like Bible prophets, and they delivered writings and religious systems that they claim are equal to those of the Bible. But what miracles are associated with Mohammed or Smith? What miracles do you immediately think of when you think of those men, like the miracles people associate with Moses and Jesus?

    Muslims and Mormons rarely make serious claims that Mohammed and Smith did miracles to confirm their messages. If you press for examples of miracles, they may make a few claims based, not on eyewitness testimony, but on tradition or fables written years after the alleged events. Some claim that, one night, Mohammed was allegedly carried to Jerusalem and from there ascended into heaven to see wonderful visions. However, no one saw it happen. His wife says he never left the bed. There is absolutely no eyewitness testimony to confirm any miracles done by Mohammed. Whether friend or foe, the people who really saw the works of Jesus and His apostles, could not successfully deny that miracles were done. Their testimony becomes evidence on which we can base our faith. No religious group which is not based on the Bible can even approach the Bible evidence of miracles.
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    D) Historians and other miscellaneous references to Jesus and His miracles:
    i) The Disciples: One must also recognize the noble character of the men who witnessed these miracles (Peter, James, and John, for example). Such men were not prone to misrepresentation, and were willing to give up their lives rather than deny their beliefs. Also important is the fact that eleven of the twelve apostles died a martyr's death for no other reason than for being followers of Jesus Christ. If the death and resurrection of Jesus was a hoax, then these men must have known it, and would not have chosen to die such horrible deaths.

    Josephus (the first century Jewish historian), and Tacitus (an early second century Roman historian) make significant reference to Jesus. The mid-first century Roman historian Thallus makes reference to the darkness of the sun at the time of the crucifixion.

    Specific details in the Gospel accounts and the fact that first-century Jewish authorities acknowledged Jesus' miracles (John 3:2), adds weight to the case. Even so-called antagonistic sources, such as the Talmud and certain Islamic writings, allude to the miracles of Jesus. Then, finally, all attempts to refute the broad-ranging reports of miracles in the Bible have themselves lacked reliable documentation and credibility.

    Conclusion:
    We have now studied around 30 or so miracles described in the Bible, and many more could be discussed. These were done by God at the hands of at least ten different prophets. They were recorded by at least ten Bible writers in at least 15 books of the Bible. In addition, the accounts cite more than 15 individuals or groups who were opponents of God's people but who directly or indirectly acknowledged that Bible miracles really did occur. In addition another 15 individuals or groups (who were not necessarily opposed to the message) are also cited as having acknowledged Bible miracles. That makes a total of more than thirty individuals or groups who admitted Jesus or Bible prophets really did miracles. 

    Compare this to other religious groups who claim to be from God. Many of them make few claims of miracles. If they make some claims, they have no eyewitnesses and accounts are often legends recorded years after the event allegedly occurred. Or the events fail to measure up to the characteristics of Bible miracles, so those of us who disagree with their teaching can easily deny the validity of their "miracles" and point out where they fail to measure up.

    For example, compare Moses and Jesus to men like Mohammed and Joseph Smith. Everyone knows about the miracles of Moses and Jesus. People immediately associate the plagues and the crossing of the Red Sea with Moses. And they immediately associate Jesus with the virgin birth and resurrection. When people think of Moses and Jesus, they think of miracles. Mohammed and Smith also claimed to be prophets like Bible prophets, and they delivered writings and religious systems that they claim are equal to those of the Bible. But what miracles are associated with Mohammed or Smith? What miracles do you immediately think of when you think of those men, like the miracles people associate with Moses and Jesus?

    Muslims and Mormons rarely make serious claims that Mohammed and Smith did miracles to confirm their messages. If you press for examples of miracles, they may make a few claims based, not on eyewitness testimony, but on tradition or fables written years after the alleged events. Some claim that, one night, Mohammed was allegedly carried to Jerusalem and from there ascended into heaven to see wonderful visions. However, no one saw it happen. His wife says he never left the bed. There is absolutely no eyewitness testimony to confirm any miracles done by Mohammed. Whether friend or foe, the people who really saw the works of Jesus and His apostles, could not successfully deny that miracles were done. Their testimony becomes evidence on which we can base our faith. No religious group which is not based on the Bible can even approach the Bible evidence of miracles.
     
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    ORIGINAL POINT:
    The disciples were only beginning to grasp God's truth and way. Not until they received the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost did they receive a more complete spiritual understanding and power. On the final night of Jesus' earthly life, just before his arrest and trial, Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper with his disciples. He explained how the Pentecost miracle would occur in their minds - and can in ours.

    There is a reason why a miracle of understanding and faith must occur in our minds. We are what the Bible calls "fleshly" beings. We understand only what our eyes, ears and other physical organs bring to our mind. We grasp only human purposes and actions. But God is Spirit. His ways, character and purposes cannot be understood unless He grants us a miracle of additional understanding (Isaiah 55:8-9). 

    No matter how much evidence is produced, if a person doesn't want to believe in God he/she won;t. However, there is a lot of evidence that supports the truth of the Bible. God said: "Those who seek Me with their whole heart will find Me." (Jeremiah 29:13)

    Two popular religious writers, Kenneth Boa and Larry Moody, expressed it well in their book, I'm Glad You Asked. They said, "If God created the universe, there is a supernatural dimension to reality, and this means that miracles are possible." If God exists, does He have the power to interact with and alter any law of nature? The answer must be yes. To accept Jesus' miracles as myths or mere stories with a lesson and to seek natural explanations amounts to a tacit presupposition that God does not exist, or that he is unable to affect the natural world and, therefore, is removed from our experience.

    Belief in Jesus' miracles, then, rests on belief in God. As John Lafarge once said of miracles: "For those who believe in God, no explanation is needed; for those who do not believe in God, no explanation is possible."

    I could sit here and type day after day, showing countless ways in which God really does exist, sent His one and only Son, who died on the cross and rose in three days to save all of mankind; but if you do not believe in God, you must ask yourself; is there truly anything I (or anybody else) can say, prove, or show that would change your mind? I hope this helps.
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    ORIGINAL POINT:
    The disciples were only beginning to grasp God's truth and way. Not until they received the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost did they receive a more complete spiritual understanding and power. On the final night of Jesus' earthly life, just before his arrest and trial, Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper with his disciples. He explained how the Pentecost miracle would occur in their minds - and can in ours.

    There is a reason why a miracle of understanding and faith must occur in our minds. We are what the Bible calls "fleshly" beings. We understand only what our eyes, ears and other physical organs bring to our mind. We grasp only human purposes and actions. But God is Spirit. His ways, character and purposes cannot be understood unless He grants us a miracle of additional understanding (Isaiah 55:8-9). 

    No matter how much evidence is produced, if a person doesn't want to believe in God he/she won;t. However, there is a lot of evidence that supports the truth of the Bible. God said: "Those who seek Me with their whole heart will find Me." (Jeremiah 29:13)

    Two popular religious writers, Kenneth Boa and Larry Moody, expressed it well in their book, I'm Glad You Asked. They said, "If God created the universe, there is a supernatural dimension to reality, and this means that miracles are possible." If God exists, does He have the power to interact with and alter any law of nature? The answer must be yes. To accept Jesus' miracles as myths or mere stories with a lesson and to seek natural explanations amounts to a tacit presupposition that God does not exist, or that he is unable to affect the natural world and, therefore, is removed from our experience.

    Belief in Jesus' miracles, then, rests on belief in God. As John Lafarge once said of miracles: "For those who believe in God, no explanation is needed; for those who do not believe in God, no explanation is possible."

    I could sit here and type day after day, showing countless ways in which God really does exist, sent His one and only Son, who died on the cross and rose in three days to save all of mankind; but if you do not believe in God, you must ask yourself; is there truly anything I (or anybody else) can say, prove, or show that would change your mind? I hope this helps.
     
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    4) Credible scientists as creationists.

    After reading all of this, one might ask me, "But why are all real scientists evolutionists?" 

    -All real scientists are not evolutionists. There are thousands of bona fide scientists today who have become creationists, all of whom have their postgraduate degrees, who are pursuing careers in science and who have records and credentials quite comparable to those of any other segment in the scientific professions. Although most scientists may still be evolutionists - especially those who control the scientific societies and journals - the creationist minority is respectable and growing. 

    There are creationist Ph. D.'s in every branch of pure and applied science today, such as geology, physics, engineering, and medicine. It is obvious now that a man or a woman can be well trained and experienced in any discipline of science and can understand the factual data of that science within the framework of the Creation Model. In fact, acceptance of creation is known to be growing most rapidly today among people with scientific and technological training. This is all the more significant in light of the fact that practically all of these scientists were indoctrinated in evolutionism throughout their training. To become or remain creationists, they have had to study and think themselves through the evidences and arguments for both models, all on their own initiative, and usually against the opposition and ridicule of the majority of their scientific and educational colleagues. Most of them were themselves evolutionists throughout their college years and beyond, becoming creationists only as a result of later personal critical study and reevaluation.
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    4) Credible scientists as creationists.

    After reading all of this, one might ask me, "But why are all real scientists evolutionists?" 

    -All real scientists are not evolutionists. There are thousands of bona fide scientists today who have become creationists, all of whom have their postgraduate degrees, who are pursuing careers in science and who have records and credentials quite comparable to those of any other segment in the scientific professions. Although most scientists may still be evolutionists - especially those who control the scientific societies and journals - the creationist minority is respectable and growing. 

    There are creationist Ph. D.'s in every branch of pure and applied science today, such as geology, physics, engineering, and medicine. It is obvious now that a man or a woman can be well trained and experienced in any discipline of science and can understand the factual data of that science within the framework of the Creation Model. In fact, acceptance of creation is known to be growing most rapidly today among people with scientific and technological training. This is all the more significant in light of the fact that practically all of these scientists were indoctrinated in evolutionism throughout their training. To become or remain creationists, they have had to study and think themselves through the evidences and arguments for both models, all on their own initiative, and usually against the opposition and ridicule of the majority of their scientific and educational colleagues. Most of them were themselves evolutionists throughout their college years and beyond, becoming creationists only as a result of later personal critical study and reevaluation.
     
     
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    After saying this, somebody might then question, "Then why don't creationists publish in the standard scientific journals?"

    Well, creationist do publish in the standard scientific journals, in their own respective scientific disciplines, and their publications' records compare well with any other comparable group. For example, the scientists who have served on the staff of the Institute for Creation Research have published at least 150 research papers and 10 books in their own scientific fields in standard scientific journals or through secular book publishers addition to hundreds of creationist articles and at least 50 books on creationism and related subjects. Whenever these articles or books have creationist implications, however, they must be "masked" in order to get them published in secular outlets. So far, at least, all frankly creationist articles or books are simply rejected out of hand by such publishers. For example, when the high school biology textbook produced by the scientists of the Creation Research Society was ready for publication in 1969, the 15 leading high school textbook publishers were contacted about possibly publishing the book. It was a comprehensive and well organized book, written by a fully-qualified team of Ph.D. biologists and other scientists, and should have been financially profitable for any publisher. Nevertheless, not one of these publishers would even so much as look at the manuscript. They claimed their other books would be boycotted if they were to publish a creationist textbook, so it was necessary for the Society to have it published by a Christian book company. The same book has gone through two editions, and has been widely used in private schools.

    But there are still reputable websites, journals, books, etc. that still publish and present Christian ideas. The Science and Christian Belief is a journal published twice yearly exploring the interactions between science and faith (with particular reference to Christianity). It is peer-reviewed, featuring world-class scientists and theologians speaking from the authority of their own disciplines. 

    Each of the following books offers a fairly balanced presentation of at least some aspect of the creationary paradigm, or model, of origins. All are written, at least in part, by Ph.D. scientists:

    Henry M. Morris: Scientific Creationism (1985)
    Henry M. Morris and Gary E. Parker: What is Creation Science? (1987)
    A. E. Wilder-Smith: Man's Origin, Man's Destiny (1968); andScientific Alternative to Neo-Darwinian Evolutionary Theory(1987)
    John C. Whitcomb and Henry Morris: The Genesis Flood(1964)
    Ariel A. Roth: Origins - Linking Science and Scripture (1998)
    John Woodmorappe: Studies in Flood Geology (1993), Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study (1996), and The Mythology of Modern Dating Methods (1999)
    Don Batten: The Answers Book (1999)
    Jonathan Sarfati: Refuting Evolution (1999)
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    After saying this, somebody might then question, "Then why don't creationists publish in the standard scientific journals?"

    Well, creationist do publish in the standard scientific journals, in their own respective scientific disciplines, and their publications' records compare well with any other comparable group. For example, the scientists who have served on the staff of the Institute for Creation Research have published at least 150 research papers and 10 books in their own scientific fields in standard scientific journals or through secular book publishers addition to hundreds of creationist articles and at least 50 books on creationism and related subjects. Whenever these articles or books have creationist implications, however, they must be "masked" in order to get them published in secular outlets. So far, at least, all frankly creationist articles or books are simply rejected out of hand by such publishers. For example, when the high school biology textbook produced by the scientists of the Creation Research Society was ready for publication in 1969, the 15 leading high school textbook publishers were contacted about possibly publishing the book. It was a comprehensive and well organized book, written by a fully-qualified team of Ph.D. biologists and other scientists, and should have been financially profitable for any publisher. Nevertheless, not one of these publishers would even so much as look at the manuscript. They claimed their other books would be boycotted if they were to publish a creationist textbook, so it was necessary for the Society to have it published by a Christian book company. The same book has gone through two editions, and has been widely used in private schools.

    But there are still reputable websites, journals, books, etc. that still publish and present Christian ideas. The Science and Christian Belief is a journal published twice yearly exploring the interactions between science and faith (with particular reference to Christianity). It is peer-reviewed, featuring world-class scientists and theologians speaking from the authority of their own disciplines. 

    Each of the following books offers a fairly balanced presentation of at least some aspect of the creationary paradigm, or model, of origins. All are written, at least in part, by Ph.D. scientists:

    Henry M. Morris: Scientific Creationism (1985)
    Henry M. Morris and Gary E. Parker: What is Creation Science? (1987)
    A. E. Wilder-Smith: Man's Origin, Man's Destiny (1968); andScientific Alternative to Neo-Darwinian Evolutionary Theory(1987)
    John C. Whitcomb and Henry Morris: The Genesis Flood(1964)
    Ariel A. Roth: Origins - Linking Science and Scripture (1998)
    John Woodmorappe: Studies in Flood Geology (1993), Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study (1996), and The Mythology of Modern Dating Methods (1999)
    Don Batten: The Answers Book (1999)
    Jonathan Sarfati: Refuting Evolution (1999)
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