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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 10:04 PM ET #2726

Well there is no debate concerning the age of the Earth. We know how old it is.

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 10:16 PM ET #2727

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

SJD - The Bible says the Earth is 6,000 years old. We know it is about 4 billion years old. How do we deal with this?

Where in the bible does it specifically say the earth is 6000 years old?

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 10:18 PM ET #2728

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

You need to understand that what you believe is essentially magic. What we believe is scientific. Therefore, saying science will figure it out is ok for us because they will figure it out based on the laws of physics. We don't have to resort to things outside this realm. You do. That is why you don't have the luxury of doing that.

and something coming from nothing is not?

Its true about the saying "a camel cannot see its own hump"

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 10:23 PM ET #2729

Rostos - the universe may have spontaneously sparked into existence from nothing. It's possible.

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 10:24 PM ET #2730

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Rostos - the universe may have spontaneously sparked into existence from nothing. It's possible.

And thats not magic?

Have a good think about it.....Stop acting like a brat and admit it is magic

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 10:37 PM ET #2731

It's not. It's observable at the quantum level. Physicists have SEEN it happen.

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 10:38 PM ET #2732

Quote Originally Posted by offensivestr:

U want science to come in and support your atheist beliefs but the more we find just helps confirm the validity of the Bible.

God Bless you! And Merry Christ mas!

When is the world wide Atheist celebration day? Anyone know?

When's the world wide dumb ass day? oh, that's everyday for you...

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 10:48 PM ET #2733

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

It's not. It's observable at the quantum level. Physicists have SEEN it happen.

Roger Penrose - "quantam mechanics is not even a theory, it is simply a collection of nice ideas"

And you have the nerve to come on here and say we get brainwashed by our parents for religion yet you take that rubbish as gospel..

Oh how the camel doesnt even see its own hump.....So true...

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 11:10 PM ET #2734

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Rostos - the universe may have spontaneously sparked into existence from nothing. It's possible.

If you believe this then you definitely could believe in God.

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 11:13 PM ET #2735

Rostos - What are you talking about? Scientists have WITNESSED particles appear and disappear, so it has something substantial backing it.

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 11:14 PM ET #2736

Rostos - Penrose says that so that makes it true? I happen to trust Stephen Hawking.

Offensive - I could believe in god, but I choose not to believe in magic. Personal decision, that's all.

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 11:18 PM ET #2737

Offensive - I could believe in god, but I choose not to believe in magic. Personal decision, that's all.

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All I needed to know. Says a lot

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 11:29 PM ET #2738

The Holy Bible does not give any age of the earth. It does relate that God took seven 'days' to create the cosmos (the heavens and the earth) but that same book also tells us that 'a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day', so there really is no timeline for the creation.

Also your scientists that dated the earth to billions of years old used radioactive decay. A method that was once thought dead accurate, they been moving the slider and are now up to a 10% margin of error.

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 11:34 PM ET #2739

Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

Rostos - What are you talking about? Scientists have WITNESSED particles appear and disappear, so it has something substantial backing it.

Oh and you are tricked as well......You sit there telling us we have been brainwashed and tricked yet you believe this rubbish?

Particles do NOT come from nothing, they come from a vacu, filled with fluctuating energy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLkMu5D6o9I

Scientists are using "nothing" in a philosophically misleading way

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 11:36 PM ET #2740

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Rostos - Penrose says that so that makes it true? I happen to trust Stephen Hawking.

Offensive - I could believe in god, but I choose not to believe in magic. Personal decision, that's all.

Penrose is Hawking' colleague and co author of his book...

Watch and learn...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLkMu5D6o9I

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 11:44 PM ET #2741

JERUSALEM -- An Israeli archaeologist said Monday that ancient fortifications recently excavated in Jerusalem date back 3,000 years to the time of King Solomon and support the biblical narrative about the era.

If the age of the wall is correct, the finding would be an indication that Jerusalem was home to a strong central government that had the resources and manpower needed to build massive fortifications in the 10th century B.C.

That's a key point of dispute among scholars, because it would match the Bible's account that the Hebrew kings David and Solomon ruled from Jerusalem around that time.

A lot of archeological facts being found.

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Posted: Dec. 21, 2011 - 11:54 PM ET #2742

On one hand kittykatz says the universe could have sparked from nothing, he admits that is possible, but on the other hand he doesn't believe in magic.

Make up your mind kittykatz.

God Bless you anyway

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Dec. 22, 2011 - 12:02 AM ET #2743

Quantum physics is magic to you?

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Posted: Dec. 22, 2011 - 12:10 AM ET #2744

Acting as if Quantum theory exists........

You are the most naive, hypocrtical person i have ever seen.

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Dec. 22, 2011 - 12:20 AM ET #2745

Quantum theory does exist.

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Posted: Dec. 22, 2011 - 12:29 AM ET #2746

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Quantum theory does exist.

"A collection of nice ideas"

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Posted: Dec. 22, 2011 - 12:41 AM ET #2747

Isnt it funny, that it was thought that God or Christianity was introduced to control the masses, meaning, the masses were out of control before this introduction of Christianity. Now, they want to get rid of God or Christianity to control the masses...

Which one is it Atheists....?

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Posted: Dec. 22, 2011 - 12:45 AM ET #2748

Really offensive? You're trying to say the scientists were wrong when they figured out the earths age? How ignorant could you be?

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Posted: Dec. 22, 2011 - 1:21 AM ET #2749

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

SJD - The Bible says the Earth is 6,000 years old. We know it is about 4 billion years old. How do we deal with this?

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Given the fact that, according to the Bible, Adam was created on the sixth day of our planet’s existence, we can determine a biblically-based, approximate age for the earth by looking at the chronological details of the human race.

This assumes that the Genesis account is accurate, that the six days of creation were literal 24-hour periods, and that there were no ambiguous gaps in the chronology of Genesis.

The genealogies listed in Genesis chapters 5 and 11 provide the age at which Adam and his descendants each fathered the next generation in a successive ancestral line from Adam to Abraham.

By determining where Abraham fits into history chronologically and adding up the ages provided in Genesis 5 and 11, it becomes apparent that the Bible teaches the earth to be about 6000 years old, give or take a few hundred years.

What about the billions of years accepted by most scientists today and taught in the vast majority of our academic institutions?

This age is primarily derived from two dating techniques: radiometric dating and the geologic timescale.

Scientists who advocate the younger age of about 6000 years insist that radiometric dating is flawed in that it is founded upon a series of faulty assumptions, while the geologic timescale is flawed in that it employs circular reasoning.

Moreover, they point to the debunking of old-earth myths, like the popular misconception that it takes long periods of time for stratification, fossilization and the formation of diamonds, coal, oil, stalactites, stalagmites, etc, to occur.

Finally, young-earth advocates present positive evidence for a young age for the earth in place of the old-earth evidences which they debunk.

Young-earth scientists acknowledge that they are in the minority today but insist that their ranks will swell over time as more and more scientists reexamine the evidence and take a closer look at the currently accepted old-earth paradigm.

Ultimately, the age of the earth cannot be proven.

Whether 6000 years or billions of years, both viewpoints (and everything in between) rest on faith and assumptions.

Those who hold to billions of years trust that methods such as radiometric dating are reliable and that nothing has occurred in history that may have disrupted the normal decay of radio-isotopes.

Those who hold to 6000 years trust that the Bible is true and that other factors explain the “apparent” age of the earth, such as the global flood, or God’s creating the universe in a state that “appears” to give it a very long age.