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Rostos

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 5:16 PM ET #4126

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Last night, I flew into outer space and visited Mars. I went with my invisible friend. On the way there, I saw a floating baby on an asteroid. I made it back this morning.

Is this an acceptable claim to make that should be assumed true until proven wrong?

Good, we have go from here.

The apple example was a platfom fromwhich we can go from.

The more extraordinary claim is made, the more extraordinary evidence is required.

That is an extraordinary claim made you made.

1. Did you have about 100 witnesses see you do this?

2. If so, are those witnesses prepared to DIE to back there claims that they saw what you did?

Just asnwer yes or no, dont answer with a question back, just yes or no.

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 5:25 PM ET #4127

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Good, we have go from here.

The apple example was a platfom fromwhich we can go from.

The more extraordinary claim is made, the more extraordinary evidence is required.

That is an extraordinary claim made you made.

1. Did you have about 100 witnesses see you do this?

2. If so, are those witnesses prepared to DIE to back there claims that they saw what you did?

Just asnwer yes or no, dont answer with a question back, just yes or no.

I will answer your 2 questions.

1. No witnesses

2. No one is gonna die for my claim

But I like what you said, it was very well put, so I will repeat it.

The more extraordinary claim is made, the more extraordinary evidence is required.

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 5:28 PM ET #4128

can someone move this thread to the p-box where it belongs. this is a gambling site not a pissing contest over gods

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Rostos

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 5:37 PM ET #4129

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

I will answer your 2 questions.

1. No witnesses

2. No one is gonna die for my claim

But I like what you said, it was very well put, so I will repeat it.

The more extraordinary claim is made, the more extraordinary evidence is required.

Thank you

That is all i need to know.

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Rostos

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 5:39 PM ET #4130

Quote Originally Posted by EricLinny:

can someone move this thread to the p-box where it belongs. this is a gambling site not a pissing contest over gods

Your like one of those people where they complain about a TV show, if you dont like it, change the channel or dont even enter the channel.

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 5:40 PM ET #4131

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Your like one of those people where they complain about a TV show, if you dont like it, change the channel or dont even enter the channel.

I think it's hilarious that people come in here and bash our thread as if they're somehow obligated to click on it.

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Mikniks

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 5:47 PM ET #4132

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

I think it's hilarious that people come in here and bash our thread as if they're somehow obligated to click on it.

Seriously, what a huge inconvenience it is!!

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Rostos

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 5:58 PM ET #4133

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

I think it's hilarious that people come in here and bash our thread as if they're somehow obligated to click on it.

Yeah i dont get it, the title is very clear,, if they dont want to discuss, dont enter it

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EX4life

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 6:00 PM ET #4134

For me, I love it when people just comment in my thread... gets real lonely posting to myself

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EX4life

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 6:00 PM ET #4135

threads* sorry

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SYSTEM

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 6:02 PM ET #4136

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Yeah i dont get it, the title is very clear,, if they dont want to discuss, dont enter it

wow, we actually agree on something

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Mikniks

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 6:09 PM ET #4137

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

wow, we actually agree on something

We should try and see what else we can all agree on. Do we all agree that Tebow is the worst QB in football?

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KittyKatz286

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 6:16 PM ET #4138

Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

We should try and see what else we can all agree on. Do we all agree that Tebow is the worst QB in football?

Umm...Caleb Hanie lol

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EX4life

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2012 - 6:32 PM ET #4139

I know were just talkin about QBs here, but what about my Panthers 2H offense?? Well, and defense for that matter.... absolutely atrocious!!! There were several games that we lost this year that we were either leading at halftime or even the 4Q

hope for next year tho

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 12:23 AM ET #4140

I'm glad to see that there is relative peace on the site tonight.

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 12:46 AM ET #4141

I want to address a couple of issues if I may that were aimed at me so we can set the record straight. Kitty Katz has referenced me concerning my intelligence level and assuming that he is smarter than me. I will agree that writing is very important. But this is the internet Einstein and sometimes the writing isn't always perfect. You get my point and that's all that matters. Sometimes I may misspell words make typos just like you do. You're no English Professor pal. Most of the time when I'm on here I'm doing multiple things at once but that's really beside the point. If you look on this thread you will see the personal attacks from the atheist far outweigh the attacks from the theist side. Check it out for yourself.

My other point. I have never said I was religious because I'm not religious at all. I'm spiritual and have always been spiritual. If you read my words and stop assuming you would be able to understand the difference. Do I go to church every Sunday? No i don't. Does that make me a bad Christian? No it doesn't. You may think you're smarter than me and that's ok I don't mind that. Because one of the things I look for as a business owner is hiring people who are smarter than me to work for me. So maybe when you get your law degree and develop a relationship with God you can submit your resume to us and we will take a look at your potential. But judging by your posts on this thread I seriously doubt that we would hire you because you already think you know everything. The reality is you really know nothing and until you get to that you will always be where you are now. I have owned my own Real Estate company for 7 years now. So while you think you're smarter than me. You will have to depend on guys like me to cut you a check. So maybe a little more humility is what you need.

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 12:53 AM ET #4142

Simple question for the atheist.

How does my belief or anybody's belief in God threaten you?

Please don't answer with a question or start talking about the religious zealots who are just as crazy as the atheist. Keep it simple and deal directly with the question. I want to understand why you people feel so threaten because we believe in God. Like I have said many times on this thread I don't feel threatened by anybody's religious or spiritual beliefs. I am very confident and secure in my beliefs but the atheist have an incessant need to feel threatened by other people's beliefs. Please explain why you feel this way.

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Iw1nBets

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 1:00 AM ET #4143

god made rainbows

rainbows are affiliated with skittles

skittles give you energy

therefore if there is any real god then god= Marshawn Lynch

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Iw1nBets

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 1:01 AM ET #4144

Go cardinals !!!!

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 1:11 AM ET #4145

Tonight I need a consolation. I love Jesus, but we can learn a lot from satan.

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 1:12 AM ET #4146

Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

I want to address a couple of issues if I may that were aimed at me so we can set the record straight. Kitty Katz has referenced me concerning my intelligence level and assuming that he is smarter than me. I will agree that writing is very important. But this is the internet Einstein and sometimes the writing isn't always perfect. You get my point and that's all that matters. Sometimes I may misspell words make typos just like you do. You're no English Professor pal. Most of the time when I'm on here I'm doing multiple things at once but that's really beside the point. If you look on this thread you will see the personal attacks from the atheist far outweigh the attacks from the theist side. Check it out for yourself.

My other point. I have never said I was religious because I'm not religious at all. I'm spiritual and have always been spiritual. If you read my words and stop assuming you would be able to understand the difference. Do I go to church every Sunday? No i don't. Does that make me a bad Christian? No it doesn't. You may think you're smarter than me and that's ok I don't mind that. Because one of the things I look for as a business owner is hiring people who are smarter than me to work for me. So maybe when you get your law degree and develop a relationship with God you can submit your resume to us and we will take a look at your potential. But judging by your posts on this thread I seriously doubt that we would hire you because you already think you know everything. The reality is you really know nothing and until you get to that you will always be where you are now. I have owned my own Real Estate company for 7 years now. So while you think you're smarter than me. You will have to depend on guys like me to cut you a check. So maybe a little more humility is what you need.

Interesting statement when one of the main points I've been trying to make is that I don't have the answers.

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 1:13 AM ET #4147

Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

Simple question for the atheist.

How does my belief or anybody's belief in God threaten you?

Please don't answer with a question or start talking about the religious zealots who are just as crazy as the atheist. Keep it simple and deal directly with the question. I want to understand why you people feel so threaten because we believe in God. Like I have said many times on this thread I don't feel threatened by anybody's religious or spiritual beliefs. I am very confident and secure in my beliefs but the atheist have an incessant need to feel threatened by other people's beliefs. Please explain why you feel this way.

It concerns me when people use god to do disgusting things in the name of god. Do you think it's ok for people of Islam to cut out the clitoris. It is stuff like that that gets to me. If you believe in god and it makes you a better person, then I am all for it...

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 1:49 AM ET #4148

Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

It concerns me when people use god to do disgusting things in the name of god. Do you think it's ok for people of Islam to cut out the clitoris. It is stuff like that that gets to me. If you believe in god and it makes you a better person, then I am all for it...

Just because people say they do things in the name of God doesn't mean that that's what God wants them to do. You have to understand the difference. More people die on this planet in "name of God" than for anything else. Praise the Lord and pass the bullets. You're confusing these misguided souls with God. God has nothing to do with that. Those are religious zealots from all kinds of different religious ilks trying to control other people. If you took the time to read about Jesus he spoke very specifically about these types of people. That is why I don't get caught up in religious discussions with people. These people are sick. Just like that church in Kansas. Westboro Baptist or whatever they call themselves. Those people don't speak for God or anybody else. My son is going to Afghanistan is 3 weeks and I pray to God that he returns safe back home. If something happens where my son sacrifices his life in service to this country I would not tolerate those assclowns to denigrate his memory with that hateful racist homophobic bullshit that they spew. Calling those people Christians is like calling the Nazis socialists. They're not Christians and the Nazis sure as hell weren't socialists

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 1:52 AM ET #4149

If you read my question I ask not to reference the religious zealots anyway. So again I ask how does my belief in God threaten atheist. I am not a religious zealot and you don't have to be to love the Lord.

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Posted: Jan. 4, 2012 - 2:00 AM ET #4150

[Quote: Originally Posted by Mikniks]

It concerns me when people use god to do disgusting things in the name of god. Do you think it's ok for people of Islam to cut out the clitoris. It is stuff like that that gets to me. If you believe in god and it makes you a better person, then I am all for it...

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Why dont you ask yourself this, why dont i, Smoothd, SJD, and Ex4 do crazy things in the name of God?

I think the people that are going to do crazy things in the name of religion are going to do it no matter what. If its not religion , it is something else.

As i have pointed out, that non believers have committed the biggest atrocities in the history of humanity, Atheism didnt cause them to do it, it is just there insanity, just like religious people blaming religion for there crazy thing, unlike atheism, these religious zelouts have something to blame other than themselves. What a perfect took for these nutters to take up religion.

Furthermmore, 80% - 85% of the world believe in a religion, if religion really does cause people to do crazy things, the world would be alot , alot , alot , alot more f####ed than it is now.

I saw a doco on 60 minutes where there was some guy in LA and his group of people putting up banners saying that person sexuals will rot in hell...I would have just asked him a few questions, i would have asked him if he was a sinner and also asked him God made him the judge. That would have shut his mouth and move on.

Dont get caught up in these people, they are hypocrites, they to are sinners, they could be worse than the people they are directing there anger at.

If you think by wiping out religion, problems of the world will be reduced, i think you are gravely mistaken, it may even increase.

I can only speak on my experience, i have been in positions to get away with a number of things in my life when no one is looking, however my belief is that God is watching and eventually i wont get away with it, meaning i acted fairly in those moments. In that instance, was the world a better place? yes it was. If i didnt believe in God , would i have done the same thing, i dont know, but there is a good chance i would have succumbed to my temptations and cheat......

Until you believe, it is hard to describe. If you humble yourself and swallow your pride and try, you dont know. what have you got to lose compared to what you can gain?