is that right? And what about atheists who have gone down as the biggest mass murders in human history.
Nothing comes close.....
I am sure they have impacted on the human race much larger than any religion in a negative way.
is that right? And what about atheists who have gone down as the biggest mass murders in human history.
Nothing comes close.....
I am sure they have impacted on the human race much larger than any religion in a negative way.
So, why havent i and my church gotten together to go on a shooting rampage or blow up a building and say God told us to do it?
So, why havent i and my church gotten together to go on a shooting rampage or blow up a building and say God told us to do it?
and people wanting to believe things can pop into existence from nothing, actually, no wait, only universes pop into existence from nothing, nothing else....Damn that universe bias...
and people wanting to believe things can pop into existence from nothing, actually, no wait, only universes pop into existence from nothing, nothing else....Damn that universe bias...
So, why havent i and my church gotten together to go on a shooting rampage or blow up a building and say God told us to do it?
So, why havent i and my church gotten together to go on a shooting rampage or blow up a building and say God told us to do it?
So now you are equivocating ALL religions?
Pete Rose was caught gambling on games of baseball. By your logic, ALL MLB players bet on baseball games......
So now you are equivocating ALL religions?
Pete Rose was caught gambling on games of baseball. By your logic, ALL MLB players bet on baseball games......
So now you are equivocating ALL religions?
Pete Rose was caught gambling on games of baseball. By your logic, ALL MLB players bet on baseball games......
So now you are equivocating ALL religions?
Pete Rose was caught gambling on games of baseball. By your logic, ALL MLB players bet on baseball games......
Spot on
Spot on
Even if there were something directly from Jesus, people would still reject it, even more than they do nowadays.
Imagine if He wrote about Himself, do you really think people that were to come in the future after Him would believe someone saying He was the Son of God, performed all these miracles and resurrected from the dead? Telling people He is writing about Himself after His resurrection from the dead. People would not take His writings seriously, they would scoff at it.
Jesus knew He couldn't have His own writings and that's why He surrounded Himself with His twelve very close apostles or disciples.
A few of Jesus disciples wrote about His life, His ministry, His teachings, His miracles, and lastly His resurrection from the dead. After Jesus resurrection He appeared to them,
And then He told them, "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned."---Mark 16:15-16
His disciples were the witnesses whose testimonies are written in the Gospels of the New Testament. Not all of His disciples had writings, it was because most of them couldn't write but they all went out to spread the Good News. They suffered persecutions and were crucified for spreading the Good News.
Now tell me who would put their lives in danger if everything about Jesus Christ was just a lie? Not a single soul is the answer.
So what we have as evidence of Jesus Christ our Lord Savior are the Gospel writings in the New Testament of the Holy Bible and that sir is good enough IMHO!!
Even if there were something directly from Jesus, people would still reject it, even more than they do nowadays.
Imagine if He wrote about Himself, do you really think people that were to come in the future after Him would believe someone saying He was the Son of God, performed all these miracles and resurrected from the dead? Telling people He is writing about Himself after His resurrection from the dead. People would not take His writings seriously, they would scoff at it.
Jesus knew He couldn't have His own writings and that's why He surrounded Himself with His twelve very close apostles or disciples.
A few of Jesus disciples wrote about His life, His ministry, His teachings, His miracles, and lastly His resurrection from the dead. After Jesus resurrection He appeared to them,
And then He told them, "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned."---Mark 16:15-16
His disciples were the witnesses whose testimonies are written in the Gospels of the New Testament. Not all of His disciples had writings, it was because most of them couldn't write but they all went out to spread the Good News. They suffered persecutions and were crucified for spreading the Good News.
Now tell me who would put their lives in danger if everything about Jesus Christ was just a lie? Not a single soul is the answer.
So what we have as evidence of Jesus Christ our Lord Savior are the Gospel writings in the New Testament of the Holy Bible and that sir is good enough IMHO!!
In the time of Jesus, the literacy rate was less than 5%....So there really wasnt much point writing about him because no one could have been able to read it.
The main form of communication and reliance of information was via oral transmission.
Today, we rely on newspapers, email, contracts, twitter, journals, TV, websites for our information as our literacy rates are around 85% etc etc
So we shouldnt equivocate todays standard of communication to that of 2000 years ago.
Furthermore, Jesus said that his kingdom is NOT of this world. So, he didnt go around promoting himself as a rockstar or to get rich. He came to serve as opposed to be served. He was very poor. You must also remember that approx 90% of people hated him. The person think and still think there messiah is rich in a material way - "A super Bill Gates" not a poor man from bethlehem.
People who maintained there belief in Jesus were threatened with persecutuion. Therefore, people werent going around proclaiming loudly to be a follower of his.
There are independant writings of Jesus OUTSIDE the bible from non believers....Like Jospehus.
The main point is that you shouldnt compare todays standards to that of 2000 years ago, it was pretty much the complete opposite of what we see today in terms of communication.
In terms of evidence etc etc, if we think of todays standards, you are right, it is very insufficient, but you couldnt imagine how different it was 2000 years ago....
In the time of Jesus, the literacy rate was less than 5%....So there really wasnt much point writing about him because no one could have been able to read it.
The main form of communication and reliance of information was via oral transmission.
Today, we rely on newspapers, email, contracts, twitter, journals, TV, websites for our information as our literacy rates are around 85% etc etc
So we shouldnt equivocate todays standard of communication to that of 2000 years ago.
Furthermore, Jesus said that his kingdom is NOT of this world. So, he didnt go around promoting himself as a rockstar or to get rich. He came to serve as opposed to be served. He was very poor. You must also remember that approx 90% of people hated him. The person think and still think there messiah is rich in a material way - "A super Bill Gates" not a poor man from bethlehem.
People who maintained there belief in Jesus were threatened with persecutuion. Therefore, people werent going around proclaiming loudly to be a follower of his.
There are independant writings of Jesus OUTSIDE the bible from non believers....Like Jospehus.
The main point is that you shouldnt compare todays standards to that of 2000 years ago, it was pretty much the complete opposite of what we see today in terms of communication.
In terms of evidence etc etc, if we think of todays standards, you are right, it is very insufficient, but you couldnt imagine how different it was 2000 years ago....
Even if there were something directly from Jesus, people would still reject it, even more than they do nowadays.
Imagine if He wrote about Himself, do you really think people that were to come in the future after Him would believe someone saying He was the Son of God, performed all these miracles and resurrected from the dead? Telling people He is writing about Himself after His resurrection from the dead. People would not take His writings seriously, they would scoff at it.
Jesus knew He couldn't have His own writings and that's why He surrounded Himself with His twelve very close apostles or disciples.
A few of Jesus disciples wrote about His life, His ministry, His teachings, His miracles, and lastly His resurrection from the dead. After Jesus resurrection He appeared to them,
And then He told them, "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned."---Mark 16:15-16
His disciples were the witnesses whose testimonies are written in the Gospels of the New Testament. Not all of His disciples had writings, it was because most of them couldn't write but they all went out to spread the Good News. They suffered persecutions and were crucified for spreading the Good News.
Now tell me who would put their lives in danger if everything about Jesus Christ was just a lie? Not a single soul is the answer.
So what we have as evidence of Jesus Christ our Lord Savior are the Gospel writings in the New Testament of the Holy Bible and that sir is good enough IMHO!!
Even if there were something directly from Jesus, people would still reject it, even more than they do nowadays.
Imagine if He wrote about Himself, do you really think people that were to come in the future after Him would believe someone saying He was the Son of God, performed all these miracles and resurrected from the dead? Telling people He is writing about Himself after His resurrection from the dead. People would not take His writings seriously, they would scoff at it.
Jesus knew He couldn't have His own writings and that's why He surrounded Himself with His twelve very close apostles or disciples.
A few of Jesus disciples wrote about His life, His ministry, His teachings, His miracles, and lastly His resurrection from the dead. After Jesus resurrection He appeared to them,
And then He told them, "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned."---Mark 16:15-16
His disciples were the witnesses whose testimonies are written in the Gospels of the New Testament. Not all of His disciples had writings, it was because most of them couldn't write but they all went out to spread the Good News. They suffered persecutions and were crucified for spreading the Good News.
Now tell me who would put their lives in danger if everything about Jesus Christ was just a lie? Not a single soul is the answer.
So what we have as evidence of Jesus Christ our Lord Savior are the Gospel writings in the New Testament of the Holy Bible and that sir is good enough IMHO!!
and people wanting to believe things can pop into existence from nothing, actually, no wait, only universes pop into existence from nothing, nothing else....Damn that universe bias...
and people wanting to believe things can pop into existence from nothing, actually, no wait, only universes pop into existence from nothing, nothing else....Damn that universe bias...
I could care less of this invisible cloud floating above your head. I am not challenging you at all on your claim, go right ahead and claim this all you want. I am neutral on your claim and because I am neutral I do not have to give evidence to prove your invisible cloud floating above your head doesn't exist.
However because you have been challenging Rostos and I and everyone else who comes to this thread on our claim that God exist and have given you the strongest evidence that God indeed exist by the life of His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior you reject this evidence.
So because you reject this evidence I ask you:
What evidence do you have that God doesn't exist?
If you can't give us any concrete evidence then it proves you are guilty of having blind faith that God doesn't exist.
I could care less of this invisible cloud floating above your head. I am not challenging you at all on your claim, go right ahead and claim this all you want. I am neutral on your claim and because I am neutral I do not have to give evidence to prove your invisible cloud floating above your head doesn't exist.
However because you have been challenging Rostos and I and everyone else who comes to this thread on our claim that God exist and have given you the strongest evidence that God indeed exist by the life of His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior you reject this evidence.
So because you reject this evidence I ask you:
What evidence do you have that God doesn't exist?
If you can't give us any concrete evidence then it proves you are guilty of having blind faith that God doesn't exist.
Yes, after my physical death here on earth if God accepts me into His kingdom of heaven after His judgment, I will spend eternity in paradise because I was saved.
However anyone who rejects Jesus Christ, after their physical death here on earth, and after the judgment of God, they will spend eternity in hell.
Yes, after my physical death here on earth if God accepts me into His kingdom of heaven after His judgment, I will spend eternity in paradise because I was saved.
However anyone who rejects Jesus Christ, after their physical death here on earth, and after the judgment of God, they will spend eternity in hell.
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