If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

I DON'T NEED TO GIVE YOU ANY EVIDENCE AS TO WHY GOD DOESN'T EXIST. YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIM THAT DEFIES LOGIC.

Really interesting to see how different people's understanding and interest with religion, most of the time it was how u were raised keeps most of your religious thinking and thought going forward. Most people don't understand the religion they speak of..  Mormans think their christians, Catholic worship human saints, extreme Mormans violate their own young.. I could go on...      Point is..   Do unto others as you would like to be treated....  simple.

Yes you do need to give your evidence as to why you believe God doesn't exist because we believers have made the claim with evidence that He does exist but you are rejecting that evidence and in order for you to do that you must give your evidence as to why you believe He doesn't exist to show our evidence is flawed.

You are challenging us and likewise we are challenging you...get the point?

No, you dont have to be Christian to do these things, just like when you murder you dont have to be involved in a religion.

On one hand, you are very quick to point out atrocisities in the name of religion, then when something good is done in the name religion you immediately point out that just because one does a good action it doesnt mean it is because of there religion.

You just made yourself look like a complete fool.

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KittyKatz wrote

"Something CAN come from nothing. It's a fact now. It's been PROVEN. 100% certainty. I'M NOT SAYING IT DID, I'M JUST SAYING IT CAN. So you can't say that anymore."

If you want to believe that, there is nothing i can do....Good luck to you.

Dont bother mate, how do you talk to someone that believes things can pop into existence from nothing?

he believes Hawking because Hawking said it, even though Hawking is deliberately mis-interpreting the word "nothing".

All of his peers and colleagues have also realise especially Roger Penrose....

Then he will say where did God come from, thereby automatically assuming laws and rules of this physical realm can be applied to that outside it...

What is he going to ask, how does God live because there is no oxygen outside earth?

You're laughing at something that is 100% fact. NO ONE CAN DENY TAHT SOMETHING CAN COME FROM NOTHING BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE POSSIBLE. Once again, I am NOT saying that is DEFINITELY how it happened. All I am saying is that it is one of the many possibilities. Just like everything else I post, my statements are substantiated; yours are not.

SJD, in fairness to KK, he has stated  that he doesnt have evidence that he doesnt exist.

He has CHOSEN to believe that he doesnt exist. He has chosen to believe that something in this universe can pop into existence from nothing.

He has sunken to that low just to preserve his pride.

He wants evidence to believe something, even though he has no evidence aliens exist, but he believes they do....

Interesting thougt process by KK,

kk said that!...lol  That is so illogical...here's a guy that preaches logic then he says something that is so illogical...too funny!

See, I told you this dude is confused...lol

Oh , and so people dont give in the name of Jesus?

I loved in when he said it is fact now......

I am going to go home from work now, sit in my room and wait for $100 bills to pop into existence from nothing..

Your inability to understand logic is astounding. I have never encountered two people as irrational as you two. Never. You just refuse to acknowledge anything that disputes your belief.

SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING

NOTHING USED BY DAWKINS IS A DELIBERATE MISREPRESENTATION AND DISHONOUST USE OF THE WORD NOTHING. IT IS A FORGERY.

Watch and learn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6kMWSo-Jz0

Yep. You're right. Something cannot come from nothing...

And you sink to your lowest ebb again.......

Just trying to communicate in a way you can comprehend.

We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist.

Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence.

That ever-existing Being is God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.

God has no beginning, has no ending, God is eternal. God is responsible for all creation. 

This thread is pointless.  What do any of you hope to achieve by this?  You must have plenty of time to waste, since the doubters are determined to babble on about how there is not a god, but offer nothing to substantiate your argument.  You have?  Oh, then, have you convinced anyone by the posts yet?  If you know for certain there is no god, get off this thread, and get on with your life. By staying here you show your hand.  You really hope there is a god, and without saying so, hope that someone can show you proof,  so you can believe.  Otherwise you would just stop arguing the point. Besides, why do you care about a believer?  That would require love of others.  It is clear you love only yourself, and your way of thinking. 

To the doubters ...

Let's use your case of evidence, proof, logic (if/then).

If God by definition is God, above all else, is the creator of all things, even you, the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, then you demand he show you, the created, proof before you believe he exists?  There is no logic in that, since if you could understand him, if he submits to your thinking, then he wouldn't be god, you would be god.  Pretty self centered thinking. 

Have you even read the new testament?  Are you someone who will ridicule without even researching the other side of the story?

Tell you what, read the new testament.  Read what believers said about their experiences with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.   Read about how they encountered doubters like yourselves.  Read what Jesus said to those who scoffed him, as he spoke the truth about His relationship with the Father, that he came to make possible for us to have too. 

Let me offer you this.  Read Acts 2, chapter 2.  Just pick any version, and read it.  That same experience happened to me.  Yes, that SAME experience happened to me.  I gave him everything, my life, all of it, every single last dollar, dream, achievement, relationship, goal, career, desire, sin, pleasure, and thought.  Just like everyone who you read about in those books in the new testament.  You can know Him, it is real, you just have to willing to submit, accept, believe, have faith, and trust that much.

Jesus said, if you hold onto your life you will loose it, but if you give him your life you will save it. 

Why should I even care about you doubters here? I have tried to explain, but you have not accepted.   I am not responsible for your spiritual life, and for your life after this, and where you spend it eternally.  You choose to deny God, to refuse the Holy Spirit, to spit on Jesus like he didn't exist?  Well, if you dare to read you will have the "hell scared out of you" (maybe) with what happens to those people.  However, God's love for me makes it possible for me to love you regardless of what you say or do to me.  The miracle he did for me can happen to you and you can have it.  It is a gift, I didn't earn, I just accepted.  My level of responsibility is to share that with you, regardless of what you will say to me or about me for having said it.  I've done that. 

For the believers I say, press on, end this thread, and search with the Holy Spirit for someone who is earnestly seeking God, to help them along their way to finding him.  To the doubters, there, it is said, there really isn't any more to it than that, and by tempting Rostos and the others on hear to continue their efforts without appreciating them in anyway is, and to insist on blindly arguing is wrong. They should shake the dust from their feet as they leave you to your own ends.      

Are you also going to say, "how does God survive?", fruit and vegetables ONLY exist in this earth, therefore, God cant eat fruit and vegetables?

What about Water? There is no water outside the universe, so how does God survive?

After all, every rule and physical law in this universe also HAS TO apply outside it....doesnt it?

Every being in this universe will eventually die because of age and decay? So how does God stay alive for so long?

STOP EQUIVOCATING

The rules i state for this universe APPLY for this universe......

Stop appealing to the fallacy of equivocation.

 

No yesterday!...this thread is not pointless. If you believe that then why did you come on this thread? To make a point? Or to say something that is pointless?

Jesus Christ our Lord Savior said to His disciples to spread the Good News. Well we believers today are also His disciples...get the point? Or is it pointless to you?

Just because we are having some debates it doesn't make this thread pointless. It comes with the territory so to speak.

Now please don't come here again to try to end this thread. If it bothers you, don't come in to read any of the posts on this thread. Simply stay away.

I'm not appealing to a fallacy. I'm merely appealing to the fact that in order to say that the laws of another universe may not be the same as this one (which is true), you first have to provide evidence of that other universe. So if you wanna say god exists in a spiritual realm, you must first provide evidence that a spiritual realm exists. The evidence you will use to support the existence of a spiritual realm is the same things you would use to support the existence of a god, so why even allude to the spiritual realm in the first place.