If you want to honor those who died on 911, then...

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Good to see you around.  Hope all is well. 

Tower 7 collapses, yet it wasnt hit by a plane and only had a few small fires burning, not anywhere near enough to bring a building down.

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More mis-informed lunacy.  IF you had done the research, you would have known that it was predicted that WTC 7 was going down about 3+ hours before it actually did.  Don't agree?  Well let's hear from the people who were THERE:

Firehouse:  So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on.

Only had a few small fires burning. 

Idiot.

Lieutenant William Ryan: "Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed"

Only a few small fires burning

Well, a guy who WAS THERE says differently.

Americans need to stop being so goddamn stupid and start to think. Good thinking is hard work and you need to do it yourselves

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How would you know? 

Quote Originally Posted by TacoBellaire:

I hate the government and bush and republicans and democrats but anyone who believes 9/11 is a conspiracy needs to be put down...Mozart get a life...everything you posted has been disproven look it up..

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Thanks very much for all of the great posts that clearly show how clueless Coldsnap, Motzart and these conspiracy theory wacked out no minds are........thank you.

We both agreed not to get into it....and I'm not going to go off here.  But if someone is going to accuse the US government of murdering over 2,000 of its citizens, I want more than "an opinion." 

I am happy to debate the facts of the events on that day without calling names.  I know you are one of those who believes that Flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon.

1. Do you know why that camera did not detect the plan hitting the side of the building?  It was because of the slow frame rate of the camera.  The plane was flying at 777 feet per second.  Do you realize the frame rate you would need to capture that image at exactly the right time?

2. This is from an engineer who was one of the first on the scene to help.  Not a government employee.  Just your average Joe.  You honestly can flat out say, "he's a liar" or it's part of the cover up?  I just honestly am amazed how someone can just completely ignore this stuff.     

“Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C.

"I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

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All the bodies of flight 93 were identified.  Every single one.  And plenty of wreckage including a lot of 1 engine.

And Kap is right, "pulling" is the exact type of language they use in that business when they are taking crews off a building:  I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street.

And re. the trillion dollars, it doesn't PROVE anything.  There were people who didn't get on those planes for various reasons that day.....and it saved their life.  Does that mean they were involved?  Maybe they just got lucky.  They demolished the very core of our financial system....is it really that crazy that something like you mention could happen???

And re. 93, the damn plane was heading toward Washington targeting who knows what.  Thousands had already died.  Don't you think they would have to at least consider shooting the plane down before it got to it's target for crying out loud?

Haven't you ever seen "Executive Decision."  I would have been worried if he had NOT considered shooting it down.  It's his damn job for goodness sake.

They recovered plenty of debris and identified every body.  And I would like to know who told him that things would "disintegrate and burn on impact."  That's another conspiracy tactic....they say "I was told" but they never attach a name or a source.  You have no idea if this was some lay person just making assumptions.  

And if you look at the site from the air, it does look like everything just "disintegrated."  

Do you have any idea if he actually walked down through the debris pile or just kind of looked from afar?  It makes a difference.   

And do you really think that THAT is the ONLY film available that captures the crash?.....When they post an actual film of a plane hitting the Pentagon ......I will believe it. 

And a plane of that size cannot fly a couple of feet off the ground for that distance....[ Pilots with 30 years of service have said this ]......Let alone by a guy who could barely fly a 2 seater.

And yet 99 % of the plane and engines were vaporizide....Makes no sense.

Just because I don't believe a couple of things that happened that day doesn't mean I agree with ALL that is questioned.

Apparently Tom Ridge FLEW over the crash site: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJOlwcJ6OkA&feature=related

99% vaporized makes no sense because that's not what happened.  They recovered all sorts of debris. No need to do any reading....just look at some pictures. 

https://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

Take a close look at the picture of the wheel rim. 

Now go to this website and scroll down to look at the wheel rim of a Boeing 757-200.  They are the same, my friend. 

https://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0290.shtml

Same is true of the diffuser case. 

I don't know about you, but if I walk in my house and there are muddy footprints on my carpet and my TV is gone, I don't need footage of someone breaking into my home to know it happened. 

How can you just explain away all this?

And the plane did not fly over the ground for that far of a distance.  If it would have, it would have slid across several lanes of highway full of cars. 

And by the way, how do you explain the all the broken light poles?  A missile wouldn't bust those light poles off at the base before it slammed into the pentagon, would it?

Do Not put words in my mouth.....Where did I say missle?

And I honestly don't care about links about quotes and pictures when the ones that prove otherwise somehow are meaningless.

At 500 MPH ...Just how long do you think it takes to fly 2 feet off the ground level.....like in the ONLY film shown?

Still no explanation of the rookie 2 seater pilots incredible feat.

" And the plane did not fly over the ground for that far of a distance.  If it would have, it would have slid across several lanes of highway full of cars." 

I think that proves my point. 

"I don't know about you, but if I walk in my house and there are muddy footprints on my carpet and my TV is gone, I don't need footage of someone breaking into my home to know it happened."

Personally....I can deduce that someone broke in without the muddy footprints.