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[Quote: Originally Posted by jpero]

They will never acknowledge the built in demographic/geographic advantages the Yankees have over every single team. They will hold onto the sham of revenue sharing which does not incorportate profits of media outlets and such....

They don't care because they feel they are entitled to be in the playoffs every year because they are the Yankees.

They are playing within the rules but Selig is to blame, along with Yankee management, for the out of control spending and destruction to the game of baseball that once graced all areas of the nation instead of the 4 large markets.

This is why NFL is superior in popularity and profits and will continue to be because every fan base and team has a chance year in and out.

 

 
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Its not just the luxury tax, its the revenue sharing as well you don't get it, you are wrong I'm sorry!!!!  The Devil Rays in 2005 had a 35 MIL payroll, but brought in 177 million.... WHERE IS THAT MONEY????????? Answer me that????????  Why is Major League baseball rleasing those comments????????  Why is major league baseball trying to work on the smaller markets haveing to youse the revenue sharing and tx for team investment only?????????  Rigt now the owners can do what they please with the money!!!!!!!

People sign with the yankees and red sox because they KNOW their owners are always COMMITTED TO WINNING, and putting the best product on the field..........   WHy would anyone sign with the Pirates if all they do is trade their best players pocket the money and hope new prospects turn out to be studs!

Everyone can sign these players they choose not to!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They would rather hope they can draft a guy like RYAN BRAUN pay him nothing, and then trade him never spending a dollar. Your Wrong Period!

 

wow yankee fan guy u post some good info on rev sharing but then u back it up with some ridiculous theories. . just post info and please stop talking. . ur the one who has no idea what ur talking about

 
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finally got done reading all 7 pages. . kudos jp.  your analysis was spot on. . . if ur not a lawyer u def should be one or at least renegotiating the cba in 2 years when it comes up. . hopefully mlb strikes till they fix this f ing monopoly

the yanks are playing by the rules of mlb. . the problem is the rules arent fair for the fans. . sure the players get paid whatever they want .. the owners do what they want with their money and most fans of middle to small market teams get more fireworks and bobbleheads to compensate for the lack of mlb talent on the field

once proud baseball organizations like my pirates were the talk of the town and mlb back in the day now they are afterthought and ridiculed in the media .. nobody cares about baseball anymore in pittsburgh cincinatti kc balt and the list goes on and on. baseball is such a tragic story. . honestly there is no need for half the teams anymore. . my dad grew up in the 60's and 70's and use to be a die hard fan watching maz stargell clemente beat the yanks. . now he has no interest in baseball due to its sad state. .and honestly i cant blame him. .im sure there are alot of former baseball fans in small market cities that feel this way and have given up on baseball. .i would have loved to see jason bay or barry bonds finish out his career as a pirate like derek jeter will with the yanks. . the problem is that will never happen. . small market teams have to be able to draft smart develop that talent bring up enough of that nucleus all at the same time and add a piece or two just so they can have a tiny window to make a run at the playoffs before trading off all their prime players or risk losing them all via free agency. . the system is unfair and if big market fans cant see that then they are oblivious to the sad state of baseball

 
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wow yankee fan guy u post some good info on rev sharing but then u back it up with some ridiculous theories. . just post info and please stop talking. . ur the one who has no idea what ur talking about




Name one ridiculous theroy, and I'll get you the fact to support it!

And PS, what you wrote in #155, your just babbling and complaining, like a little baby... if you and your Daddy actually cared about the Pirates you would go to the games, instead complaining about the Yankees and whining like a little kid. And maybe your "owner" would put his money into the team...They have the money to keep a guy like Jason Bay "THAT IS A FACT"... The problem is no-one in Small Market cities care about baseball anymore, its your fault and nobody elses. If I was the owner of the Pirates, I would keep my money too!  The difference between New York, Boston, Los Angeles, We will continue to be fans win or loose, you guys from small markets would rather complain, and whine, about the bigger cities...Take your diaper off, grab your Daddy, and go to a Pirates game and make some noise.  Untill than you will we be in the dungeon for a long time.  Grow up


 
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Name one ridiculous theroy, and I'll get you the fact to support it!

And PS, what you wrote in #155, your just babbling and complaining, like a little baby... if you and your Daddy actually cared about the Pirates you would go to the games, instead complaining about the Yankees and whining like a little kid. And maybe your "owner" would put his money into the team...They have the money to keep a guy like Jason Bay "THAT IS A FACT"... The problem is no-one in Small Market cities care about baseball anymore, its your fault and nobody elses. If I was the owner of the Pirates, I would keep my money too!  The difference between New York, Boston, Los Angeles, We will continue to be fans win or loose, you guys from small markets would rather complain, and whine, about the bigger cities...Take your diaper off, grab your Daddy, and go to a Pirates game and make some noise.  Untill than you will we be in the dungeon for a long time.  Grow up


 
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what an accomplishment!!!!!

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finally got done reading all 7 pages. . kudos jp.  your analysis was spot on. . . if ur not a lawyer u def should be one or at least renegotiating the cba in 2 years when it comes up. . hopefully mlb strikes till they fix this f ing monopoly

the yanks are playing by the rules of mlb. . the problem is the rules arent fair for the fans. . sure the players get paid whatever they want .. the owners do what they want with their money and most fans of middle to small market teams get more fireworks and bobbleheads to compensate for the lack of mlb talent on the field

once proud baseball organizations like my pirates were the talk of the town and mlb back in the day now they are afterthought and ridiculed in the media .. nobody cares about baseball anymore in pittsburgh cincinatti kc balt and the list goes on and on. baseball is such a tragic story. . honestly there is no need for half the teams anymore. . my dad grew up in the 60's and 70's and use to be a die hard fan watching maz stargell clemente beat the yanks. . now he has no interest in baseball due to its sad state. .and honestly i cant blame him. .im sure there are alot of former baseball fans in small market cities that feel this way and have given up on baseball. .i would have loved to see jason bay or barry bonds finish out his career as a pirate like derek jeter will with the yanks. . the problem is that will never happen. . small market teams have to be able to draft smart develop that talent bring up enough of that nucleus all at the same time and add a piece or two just so they can have a tiny window to make a run at the playoffs before trading off all their prime players or risk losing them all via free agency. . the system is unfair and if big market fans cant see that then they are oblivious to the sad state of baseball










AND FYI   Since when is Pittsburgh a small market when it comes to sports??????????????????????  You have recently won a Stanley Cup, recently won a Super Bowl, but since your baseball team sucks you would rather complain and blame the Yankees and red Sox and whomever but your self.... Small Market is Kansas City, not Pittsburgh
 
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AND FYI   Since when is Pittsburgh a small market when it comes to sports??????????????????????  You have recently won a Stanley Cup, recently won a Super Bowl, but since your baseball team sucks you would rather complain and blame the Yankees and red Sox and whomever but your self.... Small Market is Kansas City, not Pittsburgh

  Don't debate with those less fortunate than yourself.

This moron has to compare an entire state to a city.

 
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finally got done reading all 7 pages. . kudos jp.  your analysis was spot on. . . if ur not a lawyer u def should be one or at least renegotiating the cba in 2 years when it comes up. . hopefully mlb strikes till they fix this f ing monopoly

the yanks are playing by the rules of mlb. . the problem is the rules arent fair for the fans. . sure the players get paid whatever they want .. the owners do what they want with their money and most fans of middle to small market teams get more fireworks and bobbleheads to compensate for the lack of mlb talent on the field

once proud baseball organizations like my pirates were the talk of the town and mlb back in the day now they are afterthought and ridiculed in the media .. nobody cares about baseball anymore in pittsburgh cincinatti kc balt and the list goes on and on. baseball is such a tragic story. . honestly there is no need for half the teams anymore. . my dad grew up in the 60's and 70's and use to be a die hard fan watching maz stargell clemente beat the yanks. . now he has no interest in baseball due to its sad state. .and honestly i cant blame him. .im sure there are alot of former baseball fans in small market cities that feel this way and have given up on baseball. .i would have loved to see jason bay or barry bonds finish out his career as a pirate like derek jeter will with the yanks. . the problem is that will never happen. . small market teams have to be able to draft smart develop that talent bring up enough of that nucleus all at the same time and add a piece or two just so they can have a tiny window to make a run at the playoffs before trading off all their prime players or risk losing them all via free agency. . the system is unfair and if big market fans cant see that then they are oblivious to the sad state of baseball





I am an Orioles fan and have faith in them to do well in 2 years with the nucleus they have but once Weiters reaches FA there is no chance to resign him.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by URISS2302:




Name one ridiculous theroy, and I'll get you the fact to support it!

And PS, what you wrote in #155, your just babbling and complaining, like a little baby... if you and your Daddy actually cared about the Pirates you would go to the games, instead complaining about the Yankees and whining like a little kid. And maybe your "owner" would put his money into the team...They have the money to keep a guy like Jason Bay "THAT IS A FACT"... The problem is no-one in Small Market cities care about baseball anymore, its your fault and nobody elses. If I was the owner of the Pirates, I would keep my money too!  The difference between New York, Boston, Los Angeles, We will continue to be fans win or loose, you guys from small markets would rather complain, and whine, about the bigger cities...Take your diaper off, grab your Daddy, and go to a Pirates game and make some noise.  Untill than you will we be in the dungeon for a long time.  Grow up




Can't make a sound argument for your side so you choose to name call.

Stay Classy new york.
 
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AND FYI   Since when is Pittsburgh a small market when it comes to sports??????????????????????  You have recently won a Stanley Cup, recently won a Super Bowl, but since your baseball team sucks you would rather complain and blame the Yankees and red Sox and whomever but your self.... Small Market is Kansas City, not Pittsburgh


Going to have to shwo you wrong and ruin your twisted perception once again.

Markets of more than 10 million people
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21,199,865   New York Mets, New York Yankees
16,373,645   Los Angeles Angels, Los Angeles Dodgers

Markets of 5-10 million people
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9,157,540   Chicago Cubs, Chicago White Sox
7,608,070   Baltimore Orioles, Washington Nationals
7,039,362   Oakland Athletics, San Francisco Giants
6,188,463   Philadelphia Phillies
5,819,100   Boston Red Sox
5,456,428   Detroit Tigers
5,221,801   Texas Rangers

Markets of 3-5 million people
--------------------------------------------------------

4,682,897   Toronto Blue Jays
4,669,571   Houston Astros
4,112,198   Atlanta Braves
3,878,380   Florida Marlins
3,554,760   Seattle Mariners
3,426,350   Montréal, QC (NHL)
3,251,876   Arizona Diamondbacks

Markets of 2-3 million people
--------------------------------------------------------

2,968,806   Minnesota Twins
2,945,831   Cleveland Indians
2,813,833   San Diego Padres
2,603,607   St Louis Cardinals
2,581,506   Colorado Rockies
2,395,997   Tampa Bay Devil Rays
2,358,695   Pittsburgh Pirates
2,265,223   Portland, OR (NBA)

Markets of 1-2 million people
--------------------------------------------------------

1,986,965   Vancouver, BC (NHL)
1,979,202   Cincinnati Reds
1,796,857   Sacramento, CA (NBA)
1,776,062   Kansas City Royals
1,689,572   Milwaukee Brewers
1,644,561   Orlando, FL (NBA)
1,607,486   Indianapolis, IN (NBA, NFL)
1,592,383   San Antonio, TX (NBA)
1,540,157   Columbus, OH (NHL)
1,499,293   Charlotte, NC (NBA, NFL)
1,337,726   New Orleans, LA (NBA, NFL)
1,333,914   Salt Lake City, UT (NBA)
1,231,311   Nashville, TN (NFL, NHL)
1,187,941   Raleigh, NC (NHL)
1,170,111   Buffalo, NY (NFL, NHL)
1,135.614   Memphis, TN (NBA)
1,100,491   Jacksonville, FL (NFL)
1,063,664   Ottawa, ON (NHL)

Markets of fewer than 1 million people
--------------------------------------------------------

951,395   Calgary, AB (NHL)
937,845   Edmonton, AB (NHL)
599,671   Green Bay, WI (NFL)


 
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:



Going to have to shwo you wrong and ruin your twisted perception once again.

Markets of more than 10 million people
--------------------------------------------------------

21,199,865   New York Mets, New York Yankees
16,373,645   Los Angeles Angels, Los Angeles Dodgers

Markets of 5-10 million people
--------------------------------------------------------

9,157,540   Chicago Cubs, Chicago White Sox
7,608,070   Baltimore Orioles, Washington Nationals
7,039,362   Oakland Athletics, San Francisco Giants
6,188,463   Philadelphia Phillies
5,819,100   Boston Red Sox
5,456,428   Detroit Tigers
5,221,801   Texas Rangers

Markets of 3-5 million people
--------------------------------------------------------

4,682,897   Toronto Blue Jays
4,669,571   Houston Astros
4,112,198   Atlanta Braves
3,878,380   Florida Marlins
3,554,760   Seattle Mariners
3,426,350   Montréal, QC (NHL)
3,251,876   Arizona Diamondbacks

Markets of 2-3 million people
--------------------------------------------------------

2,968,806   Minnesota Twins
2,945,831   Cleveland Indians
2,813,833   San Diego Padres
2,603,607   St Louis Cardinals
2,581,506   Colorado Rockies
2,395,997   Tampa Bay Devil Rays
2,358,695   Pittsburgh Pirates
2,265,223   Portland, OR (NBA)

Markets of 1-2 million people
--------------------------------------------------------

1,986,965   Vancouver, BC (NHL)
1,979,202   Cincinnati Reds
1,796,857   Sacramento, CA (NBA)
1,776,062   Kansas City Royals
1,689,572   Milwaukee Brewers
1,644,561   Orlando, FL (NBA)
1,607,486   Indianapolis, IN (NBA, NFL)
1,592,383   San Antonio, TX (NBA)
1,540,157   Columbus, OH (NHL)
1,499,293   Charlotte, NC (NBA, NFL)
1,337,726   New Orleans, LA (NBA, NFL)
1,333,914   Salt Lake City, UT (NBA)
1,231,311   Nashville, TN (NFL, NHL)
1,187,941   Raleigh, NC (NHL)
1,170,111   Buffalo, NY (NFL, NHL)
1,135.614   Memphis, TN (NBA)
1,100,491   Jacksonville, FL (NFL)
1,063,664   Ottawa, ON (NHL)

Markets of fewer than 1 million people
--------------------------------------------------------

951,395   Calgary, AB (NHL)
937,845   Edmonton, AB (NHL)
599,671   Green Bay, WI (NFL)










So than Baltimore, Washinton, Oakland, San Fran contradict your argument than right?
 
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The St.Louis Cardinals don't seem to have a problem year in and year out???
 
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So than Baltimore, Washinton, Oakland, San Fran contradict your argument than right?


No.

If you knew math you divide those markets in half since 2 teams occupy those markets.
 
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The St.Louis Cardinals don't seem to have a problem year in and year out???




The NL is completely different from the AL. i've already addressed that point and how it is different. The same with the AL central being different than the AL east and AL west.
 
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Baseball should really move a team like the Marlins or Devil Rays to Brooklyn and then even place another team in New Jersey or Connecticut.

3rd team should definitely be added as they would do well based on market size and supply/demand.
 
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The NL is completely different from the AL. i've already addressed that point and how it is different. The same with the AL central being different than the AL east and AL west.








How is the NL different? The St. Louis Cardinals (Missouri) are always in the top 5 to10 teams in team revenue?  Why is that?  its a small market right? 


And PS there are 2 teams in NY.... And 2 teams in Los Angeles.... So mathematician, divide those markets in half still aboove the rest but not by much
 
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Quote Originally Posted by URISS2302:

The St.Louis Cardinals don't seem to have a problem year in and year out???
St. Louis is a working class city & they spend money.
 
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Your argument is valid for a small percentage of American league baseball teams, but its a coincidence
 
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Quote Originally Posted by stevebaily6:

St. Louis is a working class city & they spend money.








EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
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Pittsburgh isn't? a working class city???

Pittsburgh unemployment rate at 7.8 percent in August



St Louis Unemployment 10 percent
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