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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2020 - 2:48 PM ET #1251

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) praising his own response to the pandemic in May 20... Unfortunately, Florida now has the nation's highest new Covid-19 infection yesterday, at 10,109 cases. Do your job Mr. DeSantis, don't just rebuke media too early too soon. Mandating face mask in public and social distancing, these ordinances save lives.

    You mean Florida now has the highest fake test results. Oh No, a fake virus! Quick, burn the Bill of Rights.

    CIA-CNN is for the brain dead zombies like Europa.

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) praising his own response to the pandemic in May 20... Unfortunately, Florida now has the nation's highest new Covid-19 infection yesterday, at 10,109 cases. Do your job Mr. DeSantis, don't just rebuke media too early too soon. Mandating face mask in public and social distancing, these ordinances save lives.

    You mean Florida now has the highest fake test results. Oh No, a fake virus! Quick, burn the Bill of Rights.

    CIA-CNN is for the brain dead zombies like Europa.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2020 - 4:14 PM ET #1252

    Spikes that mean almost nothing...here in AZ the positive results have come with a drop in COVID hospitalizations and death rate...We are in fact doing quite well in all categories except positive test rates...look beyond your drone narrative for the real story.

     

    We're talking here about relevant data. That would be hospitalizations and especially deaths. No spikey-spikey (except for hospitalizations of those with other conditions who delayed getting care because of the scare).

     

    Love your Rep Biggs! The only politician not going crazy. When he presented 90 papers showing masks do not stop the spread of viruses Cavuto lost it. Cavuto said, “So Fauci is wrong?” Biggs replied basically Fauci says follow the clinical trials, and here they are.

     

    The only reason to shutdown was to keep our Hospitals from being overwhelmed.

    That reason is long passed, as Dr Fackie Et. Al. have proven to be liars.

    No overwhelmed Hospitals...no lockdown. Only regressive leftist say otherwise. And those scum only do so to steal an election from the People.

     

     

    "Spikes" in positive test results are easy to explain.

    Those states are doing MORE testing than before; ergo, more positive test results revealed.

    If the virus were really spreading like wildfire - like you liberal buttheads love to claim - then the death rates would be increasing also.

    But they are not. The death rates are flat.

    Now go back into mommy's basement, call Uncle George, and find out how to dispute my facts.

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    Spikes that mean almost nothing...here in AZ the positive results have come with a drop in COVID hospitalizations and death rate...We are in fact doing quite well in all categories except positive test rates...look beyond your drone narrative for the real story.

     

    We're talking here about relevant data. That would be hospitalizations and especially deaths. No spikey-spikey (except for hospitalizations of those with other conditions who delayed getting care because of the scare).

     

    Love your Rep Biggs! The only politician not going crazy. When he presented 90 papers showing masks do not stop the spread of viruses Cavuto lost it. Cavuto said, “So Fauci is wrong?” Biggs replied basically Fauci says follow the clinical trials, and here they are.

     

    The only reason to shutdown was to keep our Hospitals from being overwhelmed.

    That reason is long passed, as Dr Fackie Et. Al. have proven to be liars.

    No overwhelmed Hospitals...no lockdown. Only regressive leftist say otherwise. And those scum only do so to steal an election from the People.

     

     

    "Spikes" in positive test results are easy to explain.

    Those states are doing MORE testing than before; ergo, more positive test results revealed.

    If the virus were really spreading like wildfire - like you liberal buttheads love to claim - then the death rates would be increasing also.

    But they are not. The death rates are flat.

    Now go back into mommy's basement, call Uncle George, and find out how to dispute my facts.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2020 - 4:15 PM ET #1253

    Texas has recently started doing antibody testing. In the news out of Houston they were counting people who tested positive for antibodies as new infections. That is bad data. Also, the CDC counts every positive test. So if you are in a hospital for a week and are tested 4 times, and each time is positive, then the CDC counts that as 4 cases. Again, this is bad data.

    There are also several instances discovers of nursing homes counting more cases than they have patients, by a factor of 30. They turned in the CDC spreadsheets, but did a cumulative for the month. So one resident was counted as 30 cases (one per day).

     

    They opened up on May 1. The spikes began on June 15. 6 week incubation period?

     

    No. They haven't. Except for Taiwan, and S. Korea. And that is ONLY because they had enough experience with the SARS epidemic and China's lies, they didn't buy China's lies this time. Taiwan officials tried to get the word out and WHO shut them down. Or did you miss that story?

     

    Taiwan and S Korea use a different methodology with the test. Dr Drosten designed the parameters. The US us using a standard that reports up to 70% false positives, per Drosten. This is why Mullis said his PCR test should not be used to diagnose.

    On 7/1, the CDC admitted a positive test means you could have any coronavirus, including a common cold. It has been known for months the US is doing improper testing by those who are virologists. We are over counting, as is most of Europe. The Asians have not skewed their numbers with other illnesses.

     

    90 clinical papers on masks say they do not mitigate the spread of viruses. As late as May 2020 the CDC and WHO published papers stating thus. Social distancing is also a farce. Why is it 6’ in the US, but the WHO says 2’, and most countries in Europe say about 4.5’. Are the Laws of Physics different in Europe or Asia? People need to grab a science or medical journal and read once in awhile. CNN and bureaucrats will never give you the truth.

     

    The story gets better. For months those paying attention knew Dr Drosten’s SARS-CoV-2 parameters for the PCR tests included all Asiatic coronaviruses. On July 1st, the CDC admitted a positive result on the test or the antibody test means you may have one of the many coronaviruses, “including the one that causes the common cold”.

    This is why there are so many conflicting symptoms. We are counting people with the cold and upper respiratory illnesses with COVID (a lower respiratory disease).

    It was also on the news Texas is 1. Counting people with antibodies as positive cases, which is part of their spike. 2. The CDC counts every positive test as a new case, even if several tests are from the same person.

     

    NY flattened the curve by killing off 50,000 Americans

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    Texas has recently started doing antibody testing. In the news out of Houston they were counting people who tested positive for antibodies as new infections. That is bad data. Also, the CDC counts every positive test. So if you are in a hospital for a week and are tested 4 times, and each time is positive, then the CDC counts that as 4 cases. Again, this is bad data.

    There are also several instances discovers of nursing homes counting more cases than they have patients, by a factor of 30. They turned in the CDC spreadsheets, but did a cumulative for the month. So one resident was counted as 30 cases (one per day).

     

    They opened up on May 1. The spikes began on June 15. 6 week incubation period?

     

    No. They haven't. Except for Taiwan, and S. Korea. And that is ONLY because they had enough experience with the SARS epidemic and China's lies, they didn't buy China's lies this time. Taiwan officials tried to get the word out and WHO shut them down. Or did you miss that story?

     

    Taiwan and S Korea use a different methodology with the test. Dr Drosten designed the parameters. The US us using a standard that reports up to 70% false positives, per Drosten. This is why Mullis said his PCR test should not be used to diagnose.

    On 7/1, the CDC admitted a positive test means you could have any coronavirus, including a common cold. It has been known for months the US is doing improper testing by those who are virologists. We are over counting, as is most of Europe. The Asians have not skewed their numbers with other illnesses.

     

    90 clinical papers on masks say they do not mitigate the spread of viruses. As late as May 2020 the CDC and WHO published papers stating thus. Social distancing is also a farce. Why is it 6’ in the US, but the WHO says 2’, and most countries in Europe say about 4.5’. Are the Laws of Physics different in Europe or Asia? People need to grab a science or medical journal and read once in awhile. CNN and bureaucrats will never give you the truth.

     

    The story gets better. For months those paying attention knew Dr Drosten’s SARS-CoV-2 parameters for the PCR tests included all Asiatic coronaviruses. On July 1st, the CDC admitted a positive result on the test or the antibody test means you may have one of the many coronaviruses, “including the one that causes the common cold”.

    This is why there are so many conflicting symptoms. We are counting people with the cold and upper respiratory illnesses with COVID (a lower respiratory disease).

    It was also on the news Texas is 1. Counting people with antibodies as positive cases, which is part of their spike. 2. The CDC counts every positive test as a new case, even if several tests are from the same person.

     

    NY flattened the curve by killing off 50,000 Americans

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2020 - 4:21 PM ET #1254

    Comments from good article online.  Some make some good points. 

    There is a good point to being made — again — about building up the herd immunity.  That is why in many places there is a big push to get the kids back to school in the late summer.  

    More and more — it looks like this has been here since way before originally thought.  

    So, now when you force people home — before immunity can be established — then let them back out, there will be more outbreaks.  People still have not built up immunity.  But as with all of these things it will weaken over time as folks build the needed immunity.  So, you are seeing it become less fatal now.  The fatality rate now is nowhere near where it first had been predicted.  

    We know the target group.  We should protect them and let the others have some exposure as this subsides.  

     

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    Comments from good article online.  Some make some good points. 

    There is a good point to being made — again — about building up the herd immunity.  That is why in many places there is a big push to get the kids back to school in the late summer.  

    More and more — it looks like this has been here since way before originally thought.  

    So, now when you force people home — before immunity can be established — then let them back out, there will be more outbreaks.  People still have not built up immunity.  But as with all of these things it will weaken over time as folks build the needed immunity.  So, you are seeing it become less fatal now.  The fatality rate now is nowhere near where it first had been predicted.  

    We know the target group.  We should protect them and let the others have some exposure as this subsides.  

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2020 - 11:11 PM ET #1255

    The Tide is Turning: 'No one has died from the coronavirus - President of the Bulgarian Pathology Association.'

    "High profile European pathologist is reporting that he and his colleagues across Europe have not found any evidence of any deaths FROM the novel coronavirus on that continent."

    "Dr .Stoian Alexov called the WHO a criminal medical organization for creating worldwide fear and chaos without providing objectively verifiable proof of a pandemic."

    And he believes "it's currently impossible to create a vaccine against the virus. And he also revealed that European pathologists haven't identified any antibodies that are specific for SARS-COV2."

    off-guardian.org.  7-2-20

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    The Tide is Turning: 'No one has died from the coronavirus - President of the Bulgarian Pathology Association.'

    "High profile European pathologist is reporting that he and his colleagues across Europe have not found any evidence of any deaths FROM the novel coronavirus on that continent."

    "Dr .Stoian Alexov called the WHO a criminal medical organization for creating worldwide fear and chaos without providing objectively verifiable proof of a pandemic."

    And he believes "it's currently impossible to create a vaccine against the virus. And he also revealed that European pathologists haven't identified any antibodies that are specific for SARS-COV2."

    off-guardian.org.  7-2-20

     
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    Posted: Jul. 4, 2020 - 3:35 AM ET #1256

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

        "Spikes" in positive test results are easy to explain. Those states are doing MORE testing than before; ergo, more positive test results revealed. If the virus were really spreading like wildfire - like you liberal buttheads love to claim - then the death rates would be increasing also. But they are not. The death rates are flat.

    Record increases in coronavirus cases are not caused solely by more testing.  Hospitalization and deaths are also accelerating in many states according to US center for disease control.   If current trajectory continues, hospitals may run into problems with capacity.  For example, Texas ICU is at 91% capacity.  Institute of health metrics projects almost 200,000 coronavirus deaths by October in the US.  Public health experts don't trust low death rates which may not last.  Deaths tend to lag behind infections by 2-4 weeks.  On any given day, health officials receive only a fraction of death reports that will eventually come in.  Some deaths are under counted because many home deaths are never tested.  So true death toll is higher. 

    World health organization recommends countries seeking to lift social distancing restrictions should do enough testing to maintain a test positivity rate under 5%.    A low positivity rate is an important benchmark to measure progress against pandemic.  However many states still have positivity rates over 5%.  These states need to do more testing to find infections followed by more contact tracing and isolation.  States failing to control case numbers should reopen more slowly.  Testing helps to reopen economy safely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

        "Spikes" in positive test results are easy to explain. Those states are doing MORE testing than before; ergo, more positive test results revealed. If the virus were really spreading like wildfire - like you liberal buttheads love to claim - then the death rates would be increasing also. But they are not. The death rates are flat.

    Record increases in coronavirus cases are not caused solely by more testing.  Hospitalization and deaths are also accelerating in many states according to US center for disease control.   If current trajectory continues, hospitals may run into problems with capacity.  For example, Texas ICU is at 91% capacity.  Institute of health metrics projects almost 200,000 coronavirus deaths by October in the US.  Public health experts don't trust low death rates which may not last.  Deaths tend to lag behind infections by 2-4 weeks.  On any given day, health officials receive only a fraction of death reports that will eventually come in.  Some deaths are under counted because many home deaths are never tested.  So true death toll is higher. 

    World health organization recommends countries seeking to lift social distancing restrictions should do enough testing to maintain a test positivity rate under 5%.    A low positivity rate is an important benchmark to measure progress against pandemic.  However many states still have positivity rates over 5%.  These states need to do more testing to find infections followed by more contact tracing and isolation.  States failing to control case numbers should reopen more slowly.  Testing helps to reopen economy safely.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 4, 2020 - 11:01 AM ET #1257

    Here in ny , they fudge the numbers.   Hospital executives been fired for asking questions and not complying.  Cuomo is trying to make a point especially after he solely responsible for killing thousands of the elders.  Bullshitting runs in their family.  

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    Here in ny , they fudge the numbers.   Hospital executives been fired for asking questions and not complying.  Cuomo is trying to make a point especially after he solely responsible for killing thousands of the elders.  Bullshitting runs in their family.  

     
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    Posted: Jul. 4, 2020 - 11:34 AM ET #1258

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Here in ny , they fudge the numbers.   Hospital executives been fired for asking questions and not complying.  Cuomo is trying to make a point especially after he solely responsible for killing thousands of the elders.  Bullshitting runs in their family.

    Link a few stories about hospital execs being fired. I'm skeptical but not in a contradictory way. Just skeptical. Who were they not complying with? Doctors? You do know doctors answer to execs abd not the other way around? You do know doctors aren't paid more treating corona patients unless they are at a private practice? You do know what you are alledging equates to a loss of license and prosecution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Here in ny , they fudge the numbers.   Hospital executives been fired for asking questions and not complying.  Cuomo is trying to make a point especially after he solely responsible for killing thousands of the elders.  Bullshitting runs in their family.

    Link a few stories about hospital execs being fired. I'm skeptical but not in a contradictory way. Just skeptical. Who were they not complying with? Doctors? You do know doctors answer to execs abd not the other way around? You do know doctors aren't paid more treating corona patients unless they are at a private practice? You do know what you are alledging equates to a loss of license and prosecution?

     
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    When all this is done we will have better explanations and reasons.   Here crap like this gets lost.  Nys had more ventilators then they knew what to do with them.  Cuomo lied got more and resold them.  My neighbor's wife got fired from some b s reason.  This was days after she inquired about the excess ventilators.   2 weeks ago a nurse in queens got fired for asking to many questions.  The one question stands out the most was why the hospital's policy was to out patients with the covid in same room with no covid.  She has video, book coming out.  Elmhurst general I believe was the hospital.   Personal friend , VP  , just let go.  .  Personal friend with Department of health.... paraphrasing.... this is crazy what's going on.... health and politics should work together not like this...  

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    When all this is done we will have better explanations and reasons.   Here crap like this gets lost.  Nys had more ventilators then they knew what to do with them.  Cuomo lied got more and resold them.  My neighbor's wife got fired from some b s reason.  This was days after she inquired about the excess ventilators.   2 weeks ago a nurse in queens got fired for asking to many questions.  The one question stands out the most was why the hospital's policy was to out patients with the covid in same room with no covid.  She has video, book coming out.  Elmhurst general I believe was the hospital.   Personal friend , VP  , just let go.  .  Personal friend with Department of health.... paraphrasing.... this is crazy what's going on.... health and politics should work together not like this...  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:     "Spikes" in positive test results are easy to explain. Those states are doing MORE testing than before; ergo, more positive test results revealed. If the virus were really spreading like wildfire - like you liberal buttheads love to claim - then the death rates would be increasing also. But they are not. The death rates are flat. Record increases in coronavirus cases are not caused solely by more testing.  Hospitalization and deaths are also accelerating in many states according to US center for disease control.   If current trajectory continues, hospitals may run into problems with capacity.  For example, Texas ICU is at 91% capacity.  Institute of health metrics projects almost 200,000 coronavirus deaths by October in the US.  Public health experts don't trust low death rates which may not last.  Deaths tend to lag behind infections by 2-4 weeks.  On any given day, health officials receive only a fraction of death reports that will eventually come in.  Some deaths are under counted because many home deaths are never tested.  So true death toll is higher.  World health organization recommends countries seeking to lift social distancing restrictions should do enough testing to maintain a test positivity rate under 5%.    A low positivity rate is an important benchmark to measure progress against pandemic.  However many states still have positivity rates over 5%.  These states need to do more testing to find infections followed by more contact tracing and isolation.  States failing to control case numbers should reopen more slowly.  Testing helps to reopen economy safely.

    Record increases in the media virus which uses a fake test is what TurdPersonBlossom's idiotic fear mongering and fake news report is all about. 'Covid' cases come from a PCR 'test'. But unfortunately for the false narrative of the scamdemic, a PCR 'test' doesn't test for Covid19. So, once again this compulsive lier is proud to be a cult member of the killing machine that is Big FRAUD Pharma, and therefore will print any absurdity he's told.

    COVID19 PCR TESTS ARE SCIENTIFICALLY MEANINGLESS

    off-guardian.org .   6-27-20

    Once again for the hard of thinking:

    "The CDC and the FDA concede that the so-called SARS-COV-2-Rt-PCR tests are NOT suitable for SARS-COV2 diagnosis. And remarkably, in the instruction manual of the PCR tests, it says they are NOT intended as a diagnostic test of coronavirus infection. It states - for research only. NOT for use in diagnostic procedures."

    And you need look no further than what the inventor said about his PCR test. Kary Mullis said, "the PCR test is inappropriate to detect a viral infection."

    So, it's like using a pregnancy test that can't confirm a woman is pregnant. That makes Covid a hoax since there's no way to prove its existence through testing. The sheeple who still believe in the PCR Covid19 test, are experiencing something more akin to a religious belief, than anything based on science.

    So, don't let the fraudster TurdBlossomPerson lie to you, con you or scam you. Because he works for the grandma killing Big FRAUD Pharma, who's slogan is: Big Pharma = Your sickness is our profit.

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:     "Spikes" in positive test results are easy to explain. Those states are doing MORE testing than before; ergo, more positive test results revealed. If the virus were really spreading like wildfire - like you liberal buttheads love to claim - then the death rates would be increasing also. But they are not. The death rates are flat. Record increases in coronavirus cases are not caused solely by more testing.  Hospitalization and deaths are also accelerating in many states according to US center for disease control.   If current trajectory continues, hospitals may run into problems with capacity.  For example, Texas ICU is at 91% capacity.  Institute of health metrics projects almost 200,000 coronavirus deaths by October in the US.  Public health experts don't trust low death rates which may not last.  Deaths tend to lag behind infections by 2-4 weeks.  On any given day, health officials receive only a fraction of death reports that will eventually come in.  Some deaths are under counted because many home deaths are never tested.  So true death toll is higher.  World health organization recommends countries seeking to lift social distancing restrictions should do enough testing to maintain a test positivity rate under 5%.    A low positivity rate is an important benchmark to measure progress against pandemic.  However many states still have positivity rates over 5%.  These states need to do more testing to find infections followed by more contact tracing and isolation.  States failing to control case numbers should reopen more slowly.  Testing helps to reopen economy safely.

    Record increases in the media virus which uses a fake test is what TurdPersonBlossom's idiotic fear mongering and fake news report is all about. 'Covid' cases come from a PCR 'test'. But unfortunately for the false narrative of the scamdemic, a PCR 'test' doesn't test for Covid19. So, once again this compulsive lier is proud to be a cult member of the killing machine that is Big FRAUD Pharma, and therefore will print any absurdity he's told.

    COVID19 PCR TESTS ARE SCIENTIFICALLY MEANINGLESS

    off-guardian.org .   6-27-20

    Once again for the hard of thinking:

    "The CDC and the FDA concede that the so-called SARS-COV-2-Rt-PCR tests are NOT suitable for SARS-COV2 diagnosis. And remarkably, in the instruction manual of the PCR tests, it says they are NOT intended as a diagnostic test of coronavirus infection. It states - for research only. NOT for use in diagnostic procedures."

    And you need look no further than what the inventor said about his PCR test. Kary Mullis said, "the PCR test is inappropriate to detect a viral infection."

    So, it's like using a pregnancy test that can't confirm a woman is pregnant. That makes Covid a hoax since there's no way to prove its existence through testing. The sheeple who still believe in the PCR Covid19 test, are experiencing something more akin to a religious belief, than anything based on science.

    So, don't let the fraudster TurdBlossomPerson lie to you, con you or scam you. Because he works for the grandma killing Big FRAUD Pharma, who's slogan is: Big Pharma = Your sickness is our profit.

     
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    There have been some executives that have been fired.  Some are understandable— like the one in New York (?) for wishing there was a way for Trump supporters to get the virus and then not treat them.

    Then there have been a few fired for reasons that seemed within the board’s purview.

    But some other administrators or workers have been fired for questionable reasons for sure.  But sometimes hard to tell how reasonable they were. I was going to post a couple of the links. But for some reason they wrap off of the page.  But easy to search for them.  Quick search should show some of the following:

     

    If they went public about lack of safety gear.

    Questioning conditions.

    Not changing data portal to reflect better numbers.

    Etc., etc.

    But I don’t recall any for refusing to put Covid down as instructed, when Covid was not truly the cause.

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    There have been some executives that have been fired.  Some are understandable— like the one in New York (?) for wishing there was a way for Trump supporters to get the virus and then not treat them.

    Then there have been a few fired for reasons that seemed within the board’s purview.

    But some other administrators or workers have been fired for questionable reasons for sure.  But sometimes hard to tell how reasonable they were. I was going to post a couple of the links. But for some reason they wrap off of the page.  But easy to search for them.  Quick search should show some of the following:

     

    If they went public about lack of safety gear.

    Questioning conditions.

    Not changing data portal to reflect better numbers.

    Etc., etc.

    But I don’t recall any for refusing to put Covid down as instructed, when Covid was not truly the cause.

     
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    Hospitals get paid more money if a patient is coded for the novel coronavirus, even if they haven’t been tested in some states, multiple fact-checking sites have confirmed, including USA Today, Politifact, and Snopes. Hospitals get a 20% add-on for COVID-19-coded patients and roughly three times as much if such patients are placed on a ventilator.

    Doctors with an RVU incentive-type plan or collections-based bonus could be seen to have some latent incentive to ‘be tricky’ with the numbers as well.  They do answer to the administrators and follow orders, like any other employee.

    But for sure it brings up the question about how right this is.  Or even if there is encouragement or a case of ‘when-in-doubt’ type of attitude.

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    Hospitals get paid more money if a patient is coded for the novel coronavirus, even if they haven’t been tested in some states, multiple fact-checking sites have confirmed, including USA Today, Politifact, and Snopes. Hospitals get a 20% add-on for COVID-19-coded patients and roughly three times as much if such patients are placed on a ventilator.

    Doctors with an RVU incentive-type plan or collections-based bonus could be seen to have some latent incentive to ‘be tricky’ with the numbers as well.  They do answer to the administrators and follow orders, like any other employee.

    But for sure it brings up the question about how right this is.  Or even if there is encouragement or a case of ‘when-in-doubt’ type of attitude.

     
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    This bothers me Raiders. 

    Hospitals who are mostly for profit centers would want to hype those numbers. More infected more money.... There would be a great deal of.incentinve to spread the infection and treat the sick.

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    This bothers me Raiders. 

    Hospitals who are mostly for profit centers would want to hype those numbers. More infected more money.... There would be a great deal of.incentinve to spread the infection and treat the sick.

     
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    Maine is possibly lowest in numbers of infected and 105 deaths. Where have near 4000 cases. 

    But the advancing mutations drawn from epicenter are allowing individuals to become reinfected with flu like symptoms.

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    Maine is possibly lowest in numbers of infected and 105 deaths. Where have near 4000 cases. 

    But the advancing mutations drawn from epicenter are allowing individuals to become reinfected with flu like symptoms.

     
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    Nature,

    I dunno.  Kinda hard to parse out what is true and what is propaganda from the right. For a time there has been extra when you have to put a respiratory patient on a ventilator etc. etc. 

    There may also be a push from the left to ‘hype’ the numbers.  But if there are double and triple counting, as some reports say, that is bad as well. 

    Good article the other day on the difference in the East and West and how they count the cases, etc. 

    So, a lot of this has to play out I think. 

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    Nature,

    I dunno.  Kinda hard to parse out what is true and what is propaganda from the right. For a time there has been extra when you have to put a respiratory patient on a ventilator etc. etc. 

    There may also be a push from the left to ‘hype’ the numbers.  But if there are double and triple counting, as some reports say, that is bad as well. 

    Good article the other day on the difference in the East and West and how they count the cases, etc. 

    So, a lot of this has to play out I think. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2020 - 3:00 AM ET #1266

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) praising his own response to the pandemic in May 20... Unfortunately, Florida now has the nation's highest new Covid-19 infection yesterday, at 10,109 cases. Do your job Mr. DeSantis, don't just rebuke media too early too soon. Mandating face mask in public and social distancing, these ordinances save lives.

    Florida smirked at New York’s virus crisis. Now it has its own.

    In late April, as new coronavirus cases in Florida were steadily decreasing, Gov. Ron DeSantis began crowing how his state had tamed the pandemic.

    He (Gov.DeSantis) credited his decision to impose a state-specific quarantine on New York, then the epicenter of the nation’s outbreak. The move earned him praise in the White House and the ire of Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York.

    https://www.mcall.com/coronavirus/sns-nyt-florida-new-york-coronavirus-20200627-i6tb4iekfbf3xixde7zr6k6sqi-story.html

    Florida shatters record with near 11,500 new Covid-19 cases on 7/4, it's very bad.  

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) praising his own response to the pandemic in May 20... Unfortunately, Florida now has the nation's highest new Covid-19 infection yesterday, at 10,109 cases. Do your job Mr. DeSantis, don't just rebuke media too early too soon. Mandating face mask in public and social distancing, these ordinances save lives.

    Florida smirked at New York’s virus crisis. Now it has its own.

    In late April, as new coronavirus cases in Florida were steadily decreasing, Gov. Ron DeSantis began crowing how his state had tamed the pandemic.

    He (Gov.DeSantis) credited his decision to impose a state-specific quarantine on New York, then the epicenter of the nation’s outbreak. The move earned him praise in the White House and the ire of Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York.

    https://www.mcall.com/coronavirus/sns-nyt-florida-new-york-coronavirus-20200627-i6tb4iekfbf3xixde7zr6k6sqi-story.html

    Florida shatters record with near 11,500 new Covid-19 cases on 7/4, it's very bad.  

     
     
     
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    Florida had an influx of guests from the northeast fleeing the mandatory shut down.   Throw in a couple protests here in there and the selfish individuals not even trying to social distance and wear masks and you get some increased cases.

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    Florida had an influx of guests from the northeast fleeing the mandatory shut down.   Throw in a couple protests here in there and the selfish individuals not even trying to social distance and wear masks and you get some increased cases.

     
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    Since the protests numbers of confirmed cases have seriously spiked. From an infection rate of 1000 a day at the same time we now iencountering nearly 3 million active cases. 

    It's seems that a window to remive this by a vaccine is closing. The problem is the tentacle feature if we decide a medicine to destroy this then the same med could leave the patient with a form of MS. Due to the same feature displayed within healthy muscle tissue after an intense work out...

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    Since the protests numbers of confirmed cases have seriously spiked. From an infection rate of 1000 a day at the same time we now iencountering nearly 3 million active cases. 

    It's seems that a window to remive this by a vaccine is closing. The problem is the tentacle feature if we decide a medicine to destroy this then the same med could leave the patient with a form of MS. Due to the same feature displayed within healthy muscle tissue after an intense work out...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Maine is possibly lowest in numbers of infected and 105 deaths. Where have near 4000 cases.  But the advancing mutations drawn from epicenter are allowing individuals to become reinfected with flu like symptoms.
    reinfected ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Maine is possibly lowest in numbers of infected and 105 deaths. Where have near 4000 cases.  But the advancing mutations drawn from epicenter are allowing individuals to become reinfected with flu like symptoms.
    reinfected ??

     
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    Yes their have been reinvention rates among survivors first reported in Japan a worker for health industry came down with the virus and survived she then had immunity so she treated a different strain on the cruise line and became reinfected. The Brazilian strain is much different than the American strain. Hence Europe closed its borders to americans and Brazilians. As so I centers clusters begin to grow the virus also adapts through adversity. Rhis was control was so important. 

    Resistance makes the virus to mutate and over come... It seems to be adapting quickly to basic or hydrochloride so these are not as effective...

    Ex is staff infection. With resistance we have mersa. We resistance we have legions disease so we are very vigilant with Messer or typhoid polio measles outbreak we dont want this to be able to adapt.

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    Yes their have been reinvention rates among survivors first reported in Japan a worker for health industry came down with the virus and survived she then had immunity so she treated a different strain on the cruise line and became reinfected. The Brazilian strain is much different than the American strain. Hence Europe closed its borders to americans and Brazilians. As so I centers clusters begin to grow the virus also adapts through adversity. Rhis was control was so important. 

    Resistance makes the virus to mutate and over come... It seems to be adapting quickly to basic or hydrochloride so these are not as effective...

    Ex is staff infection. With resistance we have mersa. We resistance we have legions disease so we are very vigilant with Messer or typhoid polio measles outbreak we dont want this to be able to adapt.

     
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    The death toll in the Amazon is staggering even to this ice cold b@stard. 5 k buried yesterday no end in sight.

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    The death toll in the Amazon is staggering even to this ice cold b@stard. 5 k buried yesterday no end in sight.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Florida had an influx of guests from the northeast fleeing the mandatory shut down.   Throw in a couple protests here in there and the selfish individuals not even trying to social distance and wear masks and you get some increased cases.

    God damn carpetbaggers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Florida had an influx of guests from the northeast fleeing the mandatory shut down.   Throw in a couple protests here in there and the selfish individuals not even trying to social distance and wear masks and you get some increased cases.

    God damn carpetbaggers!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) praising his own response to the pandemic in May 20... Unfortunately, Florida now has the nation's highest new Covid-19 infection yesterday, at 10,109 cases. Do your job Mr. DeSantis, don't just rebuke media too early too soon. Mandating face mask in public and social distancing, these ordinances save lives. Florida smirked at New York’s virus crisis. Now it has its own. In late April, as new coronavirus cases in Florida were steadily decreasing, Gov. Ron DeSantis began crowing how his state had tamed the pandemic. He (Gov.DeSantis) credited his decision to impose a state-specific quarantine on New York, then the epicenter of the nation’s outbreak. The move earned him praise in the White House and the ire of Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York. https://www.mcall.com/coronavirus/sns-nyt-florida-new-york-coronavirus-20200627-i6tb4iekfbf3xixde7zr6k6sqi-story.html Florida shatters record with near 11,500 new Covid-19 cases on 7/4, it's very bad.
    whatever happened to that woman in florida who was fired by desantis for refusing to fugde the numbers down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) praising his own response to the pandemic in May 20... Unfortunately, Florida now has the nation's highest new Covid-19 infection yesterday, at 10,109 cases. Do your job Mr. DeSantis, don't just rebuke media too early too soon. Mandating face mask in public and social distancing, these ordinances save lives. Florida smirked at New York’s virus crisis. Now it has its own. In late April, as new coronavirus cases in Florida were steadily decreasing, Gov. Ron DeSantis began crowing how his state had tamed the pandemic. He (Gov.DeSantis) credited his decision to impose a state-specific quarantine on New York, then the epicenter of the nation’s outbreak. The move earned him praise in the White House and the ire of Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York. https://www.mcall.com/coronavirus/sns-nyt-florida-new-york-coronavirus-20200627-i6tb4iekfbf3xixde7zr6k6sqi-story.html Florida shatters record with near 11,500 new Covid-19 cases on 7/4, it's very bad.
    whatever happened to that woman in florida who was fired by desantis for refusing to fugde the numbers down?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: Florida had an influx of guests from the northeast fleeing the mandatory shut down.   Throw in a couple protests here in there and the selfish individuals not even trying to social distance and wear masks and you get some increased cases. God damn carpetbaggers!
     an_lighthigh faulting dam fun yanks.... Lmfao thank you Stu I needed that

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: Florida had an influx of guests from the northeast fleeing the mandatory shut down.   Throw in a couple protests here in there and the selfish individuals not even trying to social distance and wear masks and you get some increased cases. God damn carpetbaggers!
     an_lighthigh faulting dam fun yanks.... Lmfao thank you Stu I needed that

     
     
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    Are Trump is from New York City in case you haven't heard....

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    Are Trump is from New York City in case you haven't heard....

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