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    new covid mutation :: OMICRON believed worse than delta

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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2021 - 9:45 PM ET #251

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:     Well that's just it.   The vaccine developed in late 2020 was engineered for the Wuhan viral strain, not Delta or Omicron.   We can't expect it to be every bit as effective as it used to be against the 2019-2020 version of the virus before multiple mutations.   But in the absence of anything better that can easily be administered very cheaply to millions a day then the current vaccine will have to do.   The new pills hold some promise too!     YES!  This is what I've been saying for several months. FULLY Vaccinated was 91-95% *PROVEN* effective against the *ORIGINAL* Wuhan strain in early 2021. But since then the virus has mutated very significantly TWICE! So of course the vaccine won't be near as effective!  It wasn't developed against Omicron! NOBODY IN AMERICA IS FULLY VACCINATED AGAINST DELTA or OMICRON, because vaccines developed specifically to battle Delta or Omicron do not exist yet, and might never. But the idiots still don't understand this.

    And The first idiot was Joe Biden who said in late July you won't get covid or be hospitalized right after the UK says 40% I the hospital are vaccinated!!!

    Psaki showing charts of 99% are the unvaccinated using Wahun Strain Data as the DELTA kills both unvaxed and vaxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:     Well that's just it.   The vaccine developed in late 2020 was engineered for the Wuhan viral strain, not Delta or Omicron.   We can't expect it to be every bit as effective as it used to be against the 2019-2020 version of the virus before multiple mutations.   But in the absence of anything better that can easily be administered very cheaply to millions a day then the current vaccine will have to do.   The new pills hold some promise too!     YES!  This is what I've been saying for several months. FULLY Vaccinated was 91-95% *PROVEN* effective against the *ORIGINAL* Wuhan strain in early 2021. But since then the virus has mutated very significantly TWICE! So of course the vaccine won't be near as effective!  It wasn't developed against Omicron! NOBODY IN AMERICA IS FULLY VACCINATED AGAINST DELTA or OMICRON, because vaccines developed specifically to battle Delta or Omicron do not exist yet, and might never. But the idiots still don't understand this.

    And The first idiot was Joe Biden who said in late July you won't get covid or be hospitalized right after the UK says 40% I the hospital are vaccinated!!!

    Psaki showing charts of 99% are the unvaccinated using Wahun Strain Data as the DELTA kills both unvaxed and vaxed.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2021 - 9:48 PM ET #252

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

     

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

     

    Well that's just it.   The vaccine developed in late 2020 was engineered for the Wuhan viral strain, not Delta or Omicron.   We can't expect it to be every bit as effective as it used to be against the 2019-2020 version of the virus before multiple mutations.

     

    But in the absence of anything better that can easily be administered very cheaply to millions a day then the current vaccine will have to do.

     

    The new pills hold some promise too!

     

     

    YES!  This is what I've been saying for several months.

    FULLY Vaccinated was 91-95% *PROVEN* effective against the *ORIGINAL* Wuhan strain in early 2021.

    But since then the virus has mutated very significantly TWICE!

    So of course the vaccine won't be near as effective!  It wasn't developed against Omicron!

    NOBODY IN AMERICA IS FULLY VACCINATED AGAINST DELTA or OMICRON, because vaccines developed specifically to battle Delta or Omicron do not exist yet, and might never.

    But the idiots still don't understand this.

     

    This is apparent all across the nation, particularly on the various social media. They don't understand at all.   They say they do, but they don't.

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

     

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

     

    Well that's just it.   The vaccine developed in late 2020 was engineered for the Wuhan viral strain, not Delta or Omicron.   We can't expect it to be every bit as effective as it used to be against the 2019-2020 version of the virus before multiple mutations.

     

    But in the absence of anything better that can easily be administered very cheaply to millions a day then the current vaccine will have to do.

     

    The new pills hold some promise too!

     

     

    YES!  This is what I've been saying for several months.

    FULLY Vaccinated was 91-95% *PROVEN* effective against the *ORIGINAL* Wuhan strain in early 2021.

    But since then the virus has mutated very significantly TWICE!

    So of course the vaccine won't be near as effective!  It wasn't developed against Omicron!

    NOBODY IN AMERICA IS FULLY VACCINATED AGAINST DELTA or OMICRON, because vaccines developed specifically to battle Delta or Omicron do not exist yet, and might never.

    But the idiots still don't understand this.

     

    This is apparent all across the nation, particularly on the various social media. They don't understand at all.   They say they do, but they don't.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2021 - 9:48 PM ET #253

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Well that's just it.   The vaccine developed in late 2020 was engineered for the Wuhan viral strain, not Delta or Omicron.   We can't expect it to be every bit as effective as it used to be against the 2019-2020 version of the virus before multiple mutations.

    But in the absence of anything better that can easily be administered very cheaply to millions a day then the current vaccine will have to do.

    The new pills hold some promise too!

     

     

     

    YES!  This is what I've been saying for several months.

    FULLY Vaccinated was 91-95% *PROVEN* effective against the *ORIGINAL* Wuhan strain in early 2021.

    But since then the virus has mutated very significantly TWICE!

    So of course the vaccine won't be near as effective!  It wasn't developed against Omicron!

    NOBODY IN AMERICA IS FULLY VACCINATED AGAINST DELTA or OMICRON, because vaccines developed specifically to battle Delta or Omicron do not exist yet, and might never.

    But the idiots still don't understand this.

     

    This is apparent all across the nation, particularly on the various social media.  They don't understand at all.   They say they do, but they don't.

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Well that's just it.   The vaccine developed in late 2020 was engineered for the Wuhan viral strain, not Delta or Omicron.   We can't expect it to be every bit as effective as it used to be against the 2019-2020 version of the virus before multiple mutations.

    But in the absence of anything better that can easily be administered very cheaply to millions a day then the current vaccine will have to do.

    The new pills hold some promise too!

     

     

     

    YES!  This is what I've been saying for several months.

    FULLY Vaccinated was 91-95% *PROVEN* effective against the *ORIGINAL* Wuhan strain in early 2021.

    But since then the virus has mutated very significantly TWICE!

    So of course the vaccine won't be near as effective!  It wasn't developed against Omicron!

    NOBODY IN AMERICA IS FULLY VACCINATED AGAINST DELTA or OMICRON, because vaccines developed specifically to battle Delta or Omicron do not exist yet, and might never.

    But the idiots still don't understand this.

     

    This is apparent all across the nation, particularly on the various social media.  They don't understand at all.   They say they do, but they don't.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2021 - 9:49 PM ET #254

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:   Unvaccinated people "are 17 times more likely" to be hospitalized with Covid-19, CDC chief says  

     

    I don't doubt this statistic, although even if they were to learn of it, I doubt the unvaccinated would move any faster toward vaccination.

     

    Yes, unfortunately I have to agree. 

    Stupid is as stupid does!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:   Unvaccinated people "are 17 times more likely" to be hospitalized with Covid-19, CDC chief says  

     

    I don't doubt this statistic, although even if they were to learn of it, I doubt the unvaccinated would move any faster toward vaccination.

     

    Yes, unfortunately I have to agree. 

    Stupid is as stupid does!

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2021 - 9:54 PM ET #255

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    People overlook the strain the viral spread is putting on hospital staff once again.  I read where RI hospitals are teetering on collapse

     

    I saw that same article.   Scary actually.   I feel for the staff there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    People overlook the strain the viral spread is putting on hospital staff once again.  I read where RI hospitals are teetering on collapse

     

    I saw that same article.   Scary actually.   I feel for the staff there.

     
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    New study says Omicron does not attack the lungs and that is reason for being mild.

    GOOD NEWS

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    New study says Omicron does not attack the lungs and that is reason for being mild.

    GOOD NEWS

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: cut from cnn  ::   The latest wave of Covid-19 cases is "unlike anything we’ve ever seen," doctor says   This latest wave of Covid-19 cases is “unlike anything we’ve ever seen,” Dr. James Phillips, chief of disaster medicine at George Washington University Hospital, said Wednesday. “While many of us were able to stay safe from getting the Delta virus and the previous variants that have come our way, Omicron is affecting the staff at our hospitals in an unprecedented way,” Phillips said. “We're really struggling to maintain our workforce, particularly of nurses right now. And that makes wait times even longer in the waiting rooms, and it's very demoralizing for both the patients and our staff.”    

     

    People overlook the strain the viral spread is putting on hospital staff once again.  I read where RI hospitals are teetering on collapse

     

    In addition to the above GW hospitals I found that article about RI

     

    R.I. health care system ‘is currently collapsing,’
    emergency doctors warn


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    PROVIDENCE — Rhode Island hospitals are teetering on the brink of disaster, the association representing emergency doctors warned in a startling letter to the governor and state Health Department.

    “Any added strain right now will lead to collapse of the state health care system,” wrote Dr. Nadine Himelfarb, the president of the Rhode Island chapter of the American College of Emergency Physicians, in a letter earlier this month.. “We, a collective group of emergency physicians, are terrified for the future of health care in this state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: cut from cnn  ::   The latest wave of Covid-19 cases is "unlike anything we’ve ever seen," doctor says   This latest wave of Covid-19 cases is “unlike anything we’ve ever seen,” Dr. James Phillips, chief of disaster medicine at George Washington University Hospital, said Wednesday. “While many of us were able to stay safe from getting the Delta virus and the previous variants that have come our way, Omicron is affecting the staff at our hospitals in an unprecedented way,” Phillips said. “We're really struggling to maintain our workforce, particularly of nurses right now. And that makes wait times even longer in the waiting rooms, and it's very demoralizing for both the patients and our staff.”    

     

    People overlook the strain the viral spread is putting on hospital staff once again.  I read where RI hospitals are teetering on collapse

     

    In addition to the above GW hospitals I found that article about RI

     

    R.I. health care system ‘is currently collapsing,’
    emergency doctors warn


    BOSTON GLOBE article -


    PROVIDENCE — Rhode Island hospitals are teetering on the brink of disaster, the association representing emergency doctors warned in a startling letter to the governor and state Health Department.

    “Any added strain right now will lead to collapse of the state health care system,” wrote Dr. Nadine Himelfarb, the president of the Rhode Island chapter of the American College of Emergency Physicians, in a letter earlier this month.. “We, a collective group of emergency physicians, are terrified for the future of health care in this state.”

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: cut from cnn  ::   The latest wave of Covid-19 cases is "unlike anything we’ve ever seen," doctor says   This latest wave of Covid-19 cases is “unlike anything we’ve ever seen,” Dr. James Phillips, chief of disaster medicine at George Washington University Hospital, said Wednesday. “While many of us were able to stay safe from getting the Delta virus and the previous variants that have come our way, Omicron is affecting the staff at our hospitals in an unprecedented way,” Phillips said. “We're really struggling to maintain our workforce, particularly of nurses right now. And that makes wait times even longer in the waiting rooms, and it's very demoralizing for both the patients and our staff.”  

      People overlook the strain the viral spread is putting on hospital staff once again.  I read where RI hospitals are teetering on collapse

    prolly have gotten numb to any bad news

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: cut from cnn  ::   The latest wave of Covid-19 cases is "unlike anything we’ve ever seen," doctor says   This latest wave of Covid-19 cases is “unlike anything we’ve ever seen,” Dr. James Phillips, chief of disaster medicine at George Washington University Hospital, said Wednesday. “While many of us were able to stay safe from getting the Delta virus and the previous variants that have come our way, Omicron is affecting the staff at our hospitals in an unprecedented way,” Phillips said. “We're really struggling to maintain our workforce, particularly of nurses right now. And that makes wait times even longer in the waiting rooms, and it's very demoralizing for both the patients and our staff.”  

      People overlook the strain the viral spread is putting on hospital staff once again.  I read where RI hospitals are teetering on collapse

    prolly have gotten numb to any bad news

     

     
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    Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated! 

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    Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated! 

    Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.  No evidence vaccinated people are more at risk from omicron virus than unvaccinated people according to fact checks by politifact, 11alive and verify this. 

    UK public health agency warns against social media misinformation misrepresenting or misinterpreting data.  Better metric is to compare rates.  In many countries, unvaccinated people are far more likely to be infected, hospitalized or die from covid than the fully vaccinated.  World health organization and Center for disease control confirm being vaccinated provides greater protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated! 

    Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.  No evidence vaccinated people are more at risk from omicron virus than unvaccinated people according to fact checks by politifact, 11alive and verify this. 

    UK public health agency warns against social media misinformation misrepresenting or misinterpreting data.  Better metric is to compare rates.  In many countries, unvaccinated people are far more likely to be infected, hospitalized or die from covid than the fully vaccinated.  World health organization and Center for disease control confirm being vaccinated provides greater protection.

     
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    Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!  lgwWMwpiqteu.png (1080×2340) (patriots.win)

    I would disagree with the word dangerous but yes Omicron likes the vaccinated it seems. To regurgitate data and studies from previous strains that have no relationship to what is happening NOW is spreading misinformation, IMO.

    Look at Icelands data: https://www.covid.is/data

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    "14-day incidence per 100.000 by age and vaccination status"
     
    NOTE THE HUGE INCREASE OF POSITIVE CASES FROM ADULTS VACCINATED AND INCREASE FROM THOSE WITH BOOSTERS.
     
    You can also see on next chart down hospitalizations have recently increased the same for unvaxed/vaxed/ and vaxed with boosters. As that Adults Vaccinated line continues to rise expect more hospitalizations for the vaccinated in days to come.
     
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    Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!  lgwWMwpiqteu.png (1080×2340) (patriots.win)

    I would disagree with the word dangerous but yes Omicron likes the vaccinated it seems. To regurgitate data and studies from previous strains that have no relationship to what is happening NOW is spreading misinformation, IMO.

    Look at Icelands data: https://www.covid.is/data

    Slide on down the charts to;

    "14-day incidence per 100.000 by age and vaccination status"
     
    NOTE THE HUGE INCREASE OF POSITIVE CASES FROM ADULTS VACCINATED AND INCREASE FROM THOSE WITH BOOSTERS.
     
    You can also see on next chart down hospitalizations have recently increased the same for unvaxed/vaxed/ and vaxed with boosters. As that Adults Vaccinated line continues to rise expect more hospitalizations for the vaccinated in days to come.
     
     
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    You can also see on that chart the Adults Unvaccinated have always led the way with more cases than the Adults Vaccinated. UNTIL OMICRON. an_eek2

    A sudden, dramatic change has obviously taken place. 

    You will never hear about this change from our CDC, they will deflect this obvious trend as best they can. Using data going back to the original China Virus Strain.

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    You can also see on that chart the Adults Unvaccinated have always led the way with more cases than the Adults Vaccinated. UNTIL OMICRON. an_eek2

    A sudden, dramatic change has obviously taken place. 

    You will never hear about this change from our CDC, they will deflect this obvious trend as best they can. Using data going back to the original China Virus Strain.

     
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    I am pretty sure Iceland is no "outlier" as far as the data goes. They just flat out post what they see, a very comprehensive set of data.

    Think for a moment, the above data, and of all the indoor venues giving anyone with a vaccination card a free pass indoors. And you wonder why cases are surging. 

    But I am optimistic that Omicron is the beginning of the end! Omicron does not infect the lungs as well as previous strains, estimates are they are about 10% as effective in lung damage. Omicron infection boosts antibodies for the more dangerous previous variants like Delta. Omicron is highly transmissible and in South Africa is fadding quickly.

    All this has me believing Omicron may create herd immunity without the death rate. 

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    I am pretty sure Iceland is no "outlier" as far as the data goes. They just flat out post what they see, a very comprehensive set of data.

    Think for a moment, the above data, and of all the indoor venues giving anyone with a vaccination card a free pass indoors. And you wonder why cases are surging. 

    But I am optimistic that Omicron is the beginning of the end! Omicron does not infect the lungs as well as previous strains, estimates are they are about 10% as effective in lung damage. Omicron infection boosts antibodies for the more dangerous previous variants like Delta. Omicron is highly transmissible and in South Africa is fadding quickly.

    All this has me believing Omicron may create herd immunity without the death rate. 

     
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    Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance:
    Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated! 
     
     

    Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population. 

     

    FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson!

    Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now.

     

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    Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance:
    Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated! 
     
     

    Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population. 

     

    FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson!

    Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now.

     

     
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    RUETERS;

    Average number of new infections reported each day in Germany falls by more than 26,200 over the last 3 weeks, 45% of its previous peak

    The guardian; 

    Germany’s leading coronavirus expert has expressed optimism that his country could expect a “relatively normal” winter in 2022-23 as Europe prepared to ring in the new year in muted fashion, with many countries limiting celebrations.

    But Christian Drosten, who heads the institute of virology at Berlin’s Charité hospital, said on Friday that data from other countries suggesting Omicron infections were milder could take the pandemic into an “endemic situation” more comparable to a common cold or flu virus.

    “Of course, it is a good situation if you have a virus that no longer makes you ill but transmits easily so that it can seek out and find all of the immunity gaps among the population and still trigger regular updates in immunity,” Drosten said.

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    RUETERS;

    Average number of new infections reported each day in Germany falls by more than 26,200 over the last 3 weeks, 45% of its previous peak

    The guardian; 

    Germany’s leading coronavirus expert has expressed optimism that his country could expect a “relatively normal” winter in 2022-23 as Europe prepared to ring in the new year in muted fashion, with many countries limiting celebrations.

    But Christian Drosten, who heads the institute of virology at Berlin’s Charité hospital, said on Friday that data from other countries suggesting Omicron infections were milder could take the pandemic into an “endemic situation” more comparable to a common cold or flu virus.

    “Of course, it is a good situation if you have a virus that no longer makes you ill but transmits easily so that it can seek out and find all of the immunity gaps among the population and still trigger regular updates in immunity,” Drosten said.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
    Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated! 

     

     

    Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.  No evidence vaccinated people are more at risk from omicron virus than unvaccinated people according to fact checks by politifact, 11alive and verify this. 

     

    thx for keeping the relevent facts   third !  thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
    Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated! 

     

     

    Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.  No evidence vaccinated people are more at risk from omicron virus than unvaccinated people according to fact checks by politifact, 11alive and verify this. 

     

    thx for keeping the relevent facts   third !  thumbs_up

     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-gather-amsterdam-despite-demonstration-123119665.html

    Stop World Control. 

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-gather-amsterdam-despite-demonstration-123119665.html

    Stop World Control. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance: Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!      Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.    FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson! Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now.

    yep      all europe teeters on calamity  again  

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance: Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!      Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.    FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson! Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now.

    yep      all europe teeters on calamity  again  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance: Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!      Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.    FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson! Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now.

    yep      all europe teeters on calamity  again  

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance: Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!      Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.    FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson! Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now.

    yep      all europe teeters on calamity  again  

     
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    Vaccine mandates bite Rhode Island in the azz. Hundreds of health care workers forced from their jobs in November could sure be helpful now! Thirty-two workers unvaxed were retained and the Governor received a lot of heat for violating his own mandate. 

    STUPID IS -----IS STUPID DOES

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    Vaccine mandates bite Rhode Island in the azz. Hundreds of health care workers forced from their jobs in November could sure be helpful now! Thirty-two workers unvaxed were retained and the Governor received a lot of heat for violating his own mandate. 

    STUPID IS -----IS STUPID DOES

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance: Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!      Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.  

    FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson! Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now. yep      all europe teeters on calamity  again

    Bad news abounds.

    Meanwhile reports now indicate a *RECORD* number of children have been hospitalized with covid (delta/omicron) here in the US

    And

    FLORIDA shows a whopping increase of 940% of covid cases!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance: Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!      Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.  

    FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson! Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now. yep      all europe teeters on calamity  again

    Bad news abounds.

    Meanwhile reports now indicate a *RECORD* number of children have been hospitalized with covid (delta/omicron) here in the US

    And

    FLORIDA shows a whopping increase of 940% of covid cases!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance: Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!      Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.    FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson! Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now. yep      all europe teeters on calamity  again

    The only thing that teeters on calamity are the vaccinated! Good luck with the graphene oxide! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance: Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!      Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.    FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson! Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now. yep      all europe teeters on calamity  again

    The only thing that teeters on calamity are the vaccinated! Good luck with the graphene oxide! 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population. 

    The facts are clear.

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    Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population. 

    The facts are clear.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population. 

     

     

     

     

    The facts are clear.

     

    to most people   yep

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population. 

     

     

     

     

    The facts are clear.

     

    to most people   yep

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance: Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!      Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.   FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson! Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now. yep      all europe teeters on calamity  again Bad news abounds. Meanwhile reports now indicate a *RECORD* number of children have been hospitalized with covid (delta/omicron) here in the US And FLORIDA shows a whopping increase of 940% of covid cases!

    an_shake

    From Fauci himself; Dr. Anthony Fauci says statistics for hospitalizations among children with COVID-19 are getting overblown because many young patients are being admitted with unrelated ailments before they test positive.

    Your on the wrong narrative now. When it is a political advantage, sure!! Kids in the hospital everywhere with covid. When it's not a political advantage, see above Fauci statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:   Quote  FALSE INFORMATION ONCE AGAIN Posted by sundance: Using Germany as an example. It looks as if the Omicron is only dangerous for the vaccinated!      Germany covid crisis is driven mainly by unvaccinated population.   MedRxiv study reveals 67-76% of infections are caused by unvaccinated minority while 24-33% are caused by vaccinated majority.  So now more vaccine mandates and public health restrictions against unvaccinated population.   FACT.   Thank you, Thirdperson! Germany and much of Europe having it really tough right now. yep      all europe teeters on calamity  again Bad news abounds. Meanwhile reports now indicate a *RECORD* number of children have been hospitalized with covid (delta/omicron) here in the US And FLORIDA shows a whopping increase of 940% of covid cases!

    an_shake

    From Fauci himself; Dr. Anthony Fauci says statistics for hospitalizations among children with COVID-19 are getting overblown because many young patients are being admitted with unrelated ailments before they test positive.

    Your on the wrong narrative now. When it is a political advantage, sure!! Kids in the hospital everywhere with covid. When it's not a political advantage, see above Fauci statement.

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